Pakistan needs to learn from England and change their ODI strategy

[Rotoman]

Pakistan needs a change in approach to ODIs

Pakistan's outlook towards ODIs must change. This tuk tuk approach of most players in the team has to change. Look at how much of a better team England are now that they have catched up to the rest of the world with regards as to how to bat in an ODI game. Now, England don't go into their shell even when they are losing wickets. The new batsmen coming to the crease get in by rotating the strike. Contrast that with how the Pakistani batsmen get in by playing dot after dot.

I compare with England because England used to play the same brand of cricket that Pakistan are playing now before the 2015 World Cup. Since then they have had a major turn around in approach. Pakistan has to follow suit.

It's all fine and dandy to say that the players are just not good enough but you change the approach and attitude and you'll be surprised as to how uncomplicated of a total 300 is. Only a couple of batsmen has to click with the others chipping in. Maybe the team as a whole are handicapped by a captain that follows the said backward 80's style of cricket? I don't know.

 

[mz123]

Long are gone the days when scores such as 250 and 260 were good. In today's era, scores such as these need to be chased within 45 overs. However, in order to achieve this, you need batsmen who can play this kind of modern cricket.

But I don't think Inzi understands that, selecting players such as nawaz, asad, rahat , irfan won't get you anywhere. Someone needs to sit with Inzi and explain him what modern day cricket is and what kind of players pakistan needs!

I personally believe if Pak ODI team wants to move forward, they need to do what England did: completely change the team, and build a new team similar to the English one.

Let me explain, let's first look at the english ODi team that played pakistan during the summer:

1-Jason Roy
2-Alex Hales
3-Joe Root
4-Eoin Morgan
5-Ben Stokes
6-Jos Buttler
7-Moeen Ali
8-Chris Woakes
9-Adil Rasheed
10-Liam Plunkett
11-Mark Wood/David Willey

This English team consists of:1) two hard hitting and dangerous openers,2) a very stable middle order,3) a wicket-keeper who can bat, a fast bowling allrounder, a batsman who can bowl offspin and try to control the flow of runs, a bowler who can bat, a specialist spinner and two fast bowlers.

I believe Pakistan needs to build an Odi team which is similar to this team, with similar kind of players that perform the same role.
The Pak ODI that I suggest is:

1-Sharjeel Khan
2-Umar Akmal
3-Babar Azam
4-Haris Sohail
5-Sarfaraz Ahmad
6-Shoaib Malik/Mohammad Hafeez
7-Aamer Yamin
8-Imad Wasim
9-Amad Butt
10-Mohammad Amir
10-Wahab Riaz/Hassan Ali/Junaid Khan (preferably Hassan Ali)

1-Openers: Umar and Sharjeel can be very dangerous, and can take the game away from any team. Moreover, another good advantage is that it a right-left handed combination, always something useful to have. Concerning Umar Akmal, yes can be inconsistent at times, but I think he can be successful in the first 10 overs where most of the fielders are inside the circle

2-Middle Order: This is one of the most stable pakistani middle order I have ever seen, consisting of the best batsmen the country can offer.

3- 6th position: Both Malik and Hafeez have their weaknesses, so I wasn't sure who I should go for. But one thing that I like about them is that their offspin can come in handy, e.g. Hafeez today.

4-7,8: Yamin and Imad are talented players who can bat very well (+Imad's bowling is outstanding).

5-9,10,11: Amad, Amir and hassan/wahab/junaid. One of these 3 bowlers must know how to bat (e.g. Chris woakes) which is the reason why I did not put Hassan in the place of Ammad. If Hassan Ali learns how to bat, he should compete with amad, but if doesn't then he should compete with Amir, Wahab and Junaid.


So if we put the english team and Pakistani team head to head, we get this:

Jason Roy vs Sharjeel Khan: Jason Roy wins
Alex Hales vs Umar Akmal: Umar wins
Joe Root vs Babar Azam: Both very talented, but right now I would go for Root.
Eoin Morgan vs Haris Sohail: Haris wins
Jos Buttler vs Sarfaraz Ahmed: different roles in the team, so can't compare.
Ben Stokes vs Aamer Yamin : Ben stoke wins
Moeen Ali vs Shoaib Malik/Mohammad Hafeez: Hafeez/Malik win.
Chris Woakes vs Ammad Butt: Woakes wins
Adil Rasheed vs Imad Wasim : Imad wins.
Liam Plunkett vs Wahab/Hassan/Junaid: Difficult, but I go for Plunkett.
Mark Wood/David Willey vs Mohammad Amir: Amir wins.

Looking at the results, it is a tie ( 5vs5).

In conclusion, I feel Pakistan has the resources. Inzi just needs to select the right players and we may become a very dangerous side in ODIs!

 

[mz123]

I am not good at writing posts, so I gave my best shot....

 

[Shafi]

I would rather take a bowler than Akmal who can score 20-30 runs. Akmal against quality bowling is an embarrassment. Your squad is almost same with current one

1-Sharjeel Khan ok
2-Umar Akmal kick out
3-Babar Azam ok
4-Haris Sohail ok
5-Sarfaraz Ahmad look for some one has better hitting ability
6-Shoaib Malik/Mohammad Hafeez kick out
7-Aamer Yamin ok
8-Imad Wasim ok
9-Amad Butt ????
10-Mohammad Amir
11-Wahab Riaz/Hassan Ali/Junaid Khan (preferably Hassan Ali)

Need to find 3-4 more players

 

[Zeshan547]

Bhai i had same thread with same team but don't why mods deleted that, here is that post.
1_Sharjeel (Attacking Left hand opener)
2_Umar (Attacking right hand opener)
3_Babar(VC) (Both Anchor and Aggressor right hander)
4_Haris (same as babar but left hander)
5_Sarfraz(WK and C) (solid keeper batsman who can milk spin in middle overs and right hander)
6_Yamin (Right hand solid Batting Allrounder plus medium Pace bowler)
7_Imad (Left hander and attacking spin all rounder)
8_ Ammad Butt ( Hard hitting pace Bowling Allrounder)
9_Amir (Good left arm fast who can stick around with bat and can also smash few quick runs)
10_Usama Mir(Solid Leggie for LOIs who can actually spin the ball and no mug with bat)
11_Hassan Ali(Solid right arm fast medium and also have some potential with bat)
We have the players but need a selection committe who have working brain cells and management who can play these players in correct batting order to get maximum out of these players,

 

[Slog]

Jason Roy vs Sharjeel Khan: Jason Roy wins
Alex Hales vs Umar Akmal: Umar wins
Joe Root vs Babar Azam: Both very talented, but right now I would go for Root.
Eoin Morgan vs Haris Sohail: Haris wins
Jos Buttler vs Sarfaraz Ahmed: different roles in the team, so can't compare.
Ben Stokes vs Aamer Yamin : Ben stoke wins
Moeen Ali vs Shoaib Malik/Mohammad Hafeez: Hafeez/Malik win.
Chris Woakes vs Ammad Butt: Woakes wins
Adil Rasheed vs Imad Wasim : Imad wins.
Liam Plunkett vs Wahab/Hassan/Junaid: Difficult, but I go for Plunkett.
Mark Wood/David Willey vs Mohammad Amir: Amir wins.

Looking at the results, it is a tie ( 5vs5).

In conclusion, I feel Pakistan has the resources. Inzi just needs to select the right players and we may become a very dangerous side in ODIs!

This is a joke comparison. And based on feelings rather than performance.



Jason Roy vs Sharjeel Khan: Jason Roy wins
Alex Hales vs Umar Akmal: Hales wins
Joe Root vs Babar Azam: Root creams Babar
Eoin Morgan vs Haris Sohail: Haris is an imaginary figure right now and even otherwise Id give Morgan the edge here
Jos Buttler vs Sarfaraz Ahmed: Buttler smokes him but Sarfaraz is one of our best
Ben Stokes vs Aamer Yamin : Ben stokes wins
Moeen Ali vs Shoaib Malik/Mohammad Hafeez: Hafeez/Malik win.
Chris Woakes vs Ammad Butt: Woakes wins
Adil Rasheed vs Imad Wasim : Imad wins.
Liam Plunkett vs Wahab/Hassan/Junaid: Difficult, but I go for Plunkett.
Mark Wood/David Willey vs Mohammad Amir: Amir wins but barely.

Its 8-3

 

[saeedhk]

I have been saying this for the past 7 years! Our approach to batting in ODIs is still stuck in the early 1990s - go slow and score in the last five. In today's modern cricket, batting strike rates are of paramount importance even more than batting averages.

The problem is, in the last one and a half decade, Pakistan has not produced a single batsman who can take singles and maneuver the ball around like Dhoni, Amla, Husset et al.

 

[Asim2Good]

Lets see what England does day after tomorrow.
I know Eng is way better than Pak at moment, but we might need to learn from Ind after their 1St ODI?

 

[Donal Cozzie]

Thing with England was they had modern ODI batsmen and players but they just weren't selecting them, they kept sticking with TTF's like Bell,Cook,Anderson even Broad in ODI's isn't great. They quickly changed this by dropping all of these from LO's and replaced them with the aforementioned good domestic players hence they very quickly went from worst team at the 2015 WC to favourites for the 2019 edition a year later

Pakistan are arguably picking their best team, especially when you see some failures like Shehzad/Butt dominating the domestic scene. Unlike Englan, Pakistan just doesn't have the players to improve. To get those players your domestics need a total overhaul. If England's county system was as weak as Pakistans domestic they'd still be terrible.

 

[ExplicitAI]

Pak need to opt for players with high SR's for positions such as openers and the lower order. I feel we sorted out the top order in what we want but the lower order needs polishing. We need hard hitters down the order and not guys who potter around, backfoot punch the ball to a fielder in the circle etc.

 

[ask_analyse_act]

1-Sharjeel Khan
2-Umar Akmal
3-Babar Azam
4-Haris Sohail
5-Sarfaraz Ahmad
6-Shoaib Malik/Mohammad Hafeez
7-Aamer Yamin
8-Imad Wasim
9-Amad Butt
10-Mohammad Amir
10-Wahab Riaz/Hassan Ali/Junaid Khan (preferably Hassan Ali)

Even this team will lose.. let me tell u how the scorecard will turn... a quickfire 45/2 in 5 overs then babar and haris will make 35 each which is a 60 run partnership and babar might get a 45 or 50 and pak will 115/4 in 19 overs. then comes the lower order batting and one good ball, malik or hafeez will go cheaply leaving the team at 140/5 in 29 overs and then the rest will make another scratchy 80-100 runs eventually 256/8 or 245/9 or 238 allout will be the maximum score against a good quality side batting first and while chasing 350+ scores, 282ish allout will be the maximum score.

It is why they are ranked no.9... remember england were not no.9 when they were atrocious too..

 

[Rotoman]

If you observe all the good modern ODI teams you'll notice that their runrate is always hovering around the 6 run mark regardless of how many overs are played. What this means is that if everything goes according to plan and they don't lose many wickets, they can propel their score to beyond 330 in forming a truly formidable total. And even if things don't go according to plan they'll still be able to scamper to atleast 250-280 because they are never severely lacking in the run rate.

Contrast that with how Pakistan go about their business. If they lose wickets in the middle when they are already lacking in the run rate view of things, it means that they'll never get to a decent total even if the tail or middle order slog a few runs.

 

[despondent_artist]

Joe Root vs Babar Azam: Both very talented, but right now I would go for Root.
Eoin Morgan vs Haris Sohail: Haris wins

Um, sorry but based on what exactly?

 

[Statsman]

Akmal better than Hales.
Haris better than Eon Morgan. )

 

[Itachi]

No offense but this Pakistan team is no where near to the talent of England (in odi).

So making such comparisons doesn't yield any results.

 

[Shafi]

Our team is hopeless so as coaching staffs, selectors and PCB. Don't see any improvement soon. It is going downwards more than hockey and Squash. If Zimbabwe has proper facilities they would have been better than us

 

[Shafi]

Our current batting does not suit modern ODIs. I am expecting loads of defeat in near future. Take out Amir, Sharjeel, Imad and we will loose to Afghanistan/UAE as well

 

[spade]

They need to learn how to play risk free against spin and take the attack to the opposition. Rest can be managed with due regard to strike rotation. That will easily take them to the top 5 in the rankings.

 

[Seamer]

We need to end this experiment with Azhar Ali as odi captain and give it to Sarfaraz and bring in a attacking opener to partner Sharjeel.

 

[MMHS]

I am not good at writing posts, so I gave my best shot....

I have reservations in your comparison (personally, I think it's 8-2-1; I keep Moeen tied with any of the 2); but what you haven't considered is the negative markings.

ENG in their ODI team doesn't have any baggage - PAK is carrying 5/6 - let me list

1. Azhar Ali the Opener
2. Azhar Ali the Captain
3. MoHa the No. 3
4. Wahab the Phast bowler
5. Nawaz the all-rounder
6. Sarfu/Malik the finisher

Above all, fitness level is amateur level & general cricket intelligence is associate level.

Players like MoHa is justifying his spot for his bowling which is poor logic. He is there as batting all-rounder, so he'll be measured for his batting. If batting at 3, then has to bat at per with Virat, Root, Smith, Ken or Amla; otherwise Ajmal can do that batting & bowling. If he is playing as all-rounder, then his competition should be with Imad, & delivery should be 10 overs bowling.

 

[the Great Khan]

you are aware that England coach big hitting now? they have developed a way to turn rubbish hitters into ok hitters and good hitters into great hitters..they watched us for years then adapted and brought this into their coaching methods..I see it with a number of coaches where my son plays...they are actively coaching big hits now and all the asians are loving it..I have no idea why pakistan have gone the otehr way..we are natural tullay baaz and we just need some tweaking and coaching..

 

[MenInG]

you are aware that England coach big hitting now? they have developed a way to turn rubbish hitters into ok hitters and good hitters into great hitters..they watched us for years then adapted and brought this into their coaching methods..I see it with a number of coaches where my son plays...they are actively coaching big hits now and all the asians are loving it..I have no idea why pakistan have gone the otehr way..we are natural tullay baaz and we just need some tweaking and coaching..

Bro big-hitters are not born in the national team. They are created at very young ages; we have an immediate problem at hand.

Our big hitters are Awais Zia and Mohmand; maybe Khushdil also

 

[the Great Khan]

Bro big-hitters are not born in the national team. They are created at very young ages; we have an immediate problem at hand.

Our big hitters are Awais Zia and Mohmand; maybe Khushdil also

true but we have natural born hitters who love to hit the ball..england just dont..or didnt..now they make sure the natural hitters get better and the ones who cant hit elarn to hit enough..thats what we need..

 

[Pete Rose]

For what it's worth, I think Pakistani players suffer from a lack of self belief.

 

[HitWicket]

Alex Hales vs Umar Akmal: Umar wins
Eoin Morgan vs Haris Sohail: Haris wins
Jos Buttler vs Sarfaraz Ahmed: different roles in the team, so can't compare.

Agree with the general message of the post but not too sure about these 3 comparisons. Not sure the first 2 can be let go without any justification whilst I think most would take Buttler over Sarfaraz in any possible role in the team.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

you are aware that England coach big hitting now? they have developed a way to turn rubbish hitters into ok hitters and good hitters into great hitters..they watched us for years then adapted and brought this into their coaching methods..I see it with a number of coaches where my son plays...they are actively coaching big hits now and all the asians are loving it..I have no idea why pakistan have gone the otehr way..we are natural tullay baaz and we just need some tweaking and coaching..

It will take time to turn around. We still have fans here who ridicule hitters as tullay baaz which would have been a valid criticism if test cricket was still the format that mattered. Maybe we will catch up with the modern mindset in the next 5 years or so.

By the way, I get MIG's point that the talent isn't always on tap, but I am also of the opinion we just haven't attacked the situation in the same manner as England have done. Other boards are far more proactive, PCB is like a voluntary funded village organisation in comparison.

 

[JaDed]

Even if you get hitters you will only win T20 at best odd ones,for ODI cricketers need to be fit esp batsmen look those English cricketers their fitness and physique is on diff level.

actually complimented his PSL team for not forcing them to train.

 

[Saj]

Everyone knows what needs doing, but it's not happening.

The captain and coach need to instill this approach into the players, but there seems to be a fear factor where the players are not expressing themselves fully.

 

[Donal Cozzie]

It will take time to turn around. We still have fans here who ridicule hitters as tullay baaz which would have been a valid criticism if test cricket was still the format that mattered. Maybe we will catch up with the modern mindset in the next 5 years or so.

By the way, I get MIG's point that the talent isn't always on tap, but I am also of the opinion we just haven't attacked the situation in the same manner as England have done. Other boards are far more proactive, PCB is like a voluntary funded village organisation in comparison.

Nope, problem is Pakistani hitters ala Awais Zia are legitimate tullay baaz as you say because they try and smash every single ball out of the park and look idiotic doing so. Great hitters can pick the balls to go for and manufacture boundaries where none should exist, not just swing and pray for contact.

 

[Haroon786]

It will take time to turn around. We still have fans here who ridicule hitters as tullay baaz which would have been a valid criticism if test cricket was still the format that mattered. Maybe we will catch up with the modern mindset in the next 5 years or so.

By the way, I get MIG's point that the talent isn't always on tap, but I am also of the opinion we just haven't attacked the situation in the same manner as England have done. Other boards are far more proactive, PCB is like a voluntary funded village organisation in comparison.

If Pakistan had the likes of Buttler, Stokes and Billings in their team all guys capable of being consistent and striking at a high rate, I don't think many Pakistani fans would care if they're sloggers or hacks.

 

[Seamer]

Sohaib Maqsood needs to be brought back into the loi teams him along with Imad can provide us with power hitting lower down the order hopefully

 

[Speedster777]

To change strategy you need to change mindset which cannot happen with TTFs and a defensive brainless captain. You need to bring in fresh blood you need strong characters like Imad Wasim , Sarfraz, etc. You need a leader not a yes man.

 

[Justcrazy]

Pakistan do not have that kind talent . Its not possible to implement such strategies unless you have proper players for that.

 

[asfandyar]

Go for mediocre averaging, high SR batsmen and include all rounders instead of specialist bowlers. This has worked for England and Australia in recent times, yet our selection committee lacks the courage to select anyone having an SR over 90.

 

[FlickedOffHips]

Pakistan do not have that kind talent . Its not possible to implement such strategies unless you have proper players for that.

this. the players in the current England ODI team who were brought in were wreaking havoc in t20 blast and list a competitions for a long time before.

 

[Vayuu]

Long are gone the days when scores such as 250 and 260 were good. In today's era, scores such as these need to be chased within 45 overs. However, in order to achieve this, you need batsmen who can play this kind of modern cricket.

But I don't think Inzi understands that, selecting players such as nawaz, asad, rahat , irfan won't get you anywhere. Someone needs to sit with Inzi and explain him what modern day cricket is and what kind of players pakistan needs!

I personally believe if Pak ODI team wants to move forward, they need to do what England did: completely change the team, and build a new team similar to the English one.

Let me explain, let's first look at the english ODi team that played pakistan during the summer:

1-Jason Roy
2-Alex Hales
3-Joe Root
4-Eoin Morgan
5-Ben Stokes
6-Jos Buttler
7-Moeen Ali
8-Chris Woakes
9-Adil Rasheed
10-Liam Plunkett
11-Mark Wood/David Willey

This English team consists of:1) two hard hitting and dangerous openers,2) a very stable middle order,3) a wicket-keeper who can bat, a fast bowling allrounder, a batsman who can bowl offspin and try to control the flow of runs, a bowler who can bat, a specialist spinner and two fast bowlers.

I believe Pakistan needs to build an Odi team which is similar to this team, with similar kind of players that perform the same role.
The Pak ODI that I suggest is:

1-Sharjeel Khan
2-Umar Akmal
3-Babar Azam
4-Haris Sohail
5-Sarfaraz Ahmad
6-Shoaib Malik/Mohammad Hafeez
7-Aamer Yamin
8-Imad Wasim
9-Amad Butt
10-Mohammad Amir
10-Wahab Riaz/Hassan Ali/Junaid Khan (preferably Hassan Ali)

1-Openers: Umar and Sharjeel can be very dangerous, and can take the game away from any team. Moreover, another good advantage is that it a right-left handed combination, always something useful to have. Concerning Umar Akmal, yes can be inconsistent at times, but I think he can be successful in the first 10 overs where most of the fielders are inside the circle

2-Middle Order: This is one of the most stable pakistani middle order I have ever seen, consisting of the best batsmen the country can offer.

3- 6th position: Both Malik and Hafeez have their weaknesses, so I wasn't sure who I should go for. But one thing that I like about them is that their offspin can come in handy, e.g. Hafeez today.

4-7,8: Yamin and Imad are talented players who can bat very well (+Imad's bowling is outstanding).

5-9,10,11: Amad, Amir and hassan/wahab/junaid. One of these 3 bowlers must know how to bat (e.g. Chris woakes) which is the reason why I did not put Hassan in the place of Ammad. If Hassan Ali learns how to bat, he should compete with amad, but if doesn't then he should compete with Amir, Wahab and Junaid.


So if we put the english team and Pakistani team head to head, we get this:

Jason Roy vs Sharjeel Khan: Jason Roy wins
Alex Hales vs Umar Akmal: Umar wins
Joe Root vs Babar Azam: Both very talented, but right now I would go for Root.
Eoin Morgan vs Haris Sohail: Haris wins
Jos Buttler vs Sarfaraz Ahmed: different roles in the team, so can't compare.
Ben Stokes vs Aamer Yamin : Ben stoke wins
Moeen Ali vs Shoaib Malik/Mohammad Hafeez: Hafeez/Malik win.
Chris Woakes vs Ammad Butt: Woakes wins
Adil Rasheed vs Imad Wasim : Imad wins.
Liam Plunkett vs Wahab/Hassan/Junaid: Difficult, but I go for Plunkett.
Mark Wood/David Willey vs Mohammad Amir: Amir wins.

Looking at the results, it is a tie ( 5vs5).

In conclusion, I feel Pakistan has the resources. Inzi just needs to select the right players and we may become a very dangerous side in ODIs!

Are you out of ur mind, what on earth has haris Sohail done to tbe compared with eoin Morgan, even hales is better than umar akmal, imad is still finding his feet, so that makes 8 vs 2.

 

[Vayuu]

Even moin has a case over malik or hafeez.

 

[Grandpa]

Bro big-hitters are not born in the national team. They are created at very young ages; we have an immediate problem at hand.

Our big hitters are Awais Zia and Mohmand; maybe Khushdil also

I never really liked him but even Shahzaib has been performing for a while now he deserves a chance now,

 

[Protea Fan]

Long are gone the days when scores such as 250 and 260 were good. In today's era, scores such as these need to be chased within 45 overs. However, in order to achieve this, you need batsmen who can play this kind of modern cricket.

But I don't think Inzi understands that, selecting players such as nawaz, asad, rahat , irfan won't get you anywhere. Someone needs to sit with Inzi and explain him what modern day cricket is and what kind of players pakistan needs!

I personally believe if Pak ODI team wants to move forward, they need to do what England did: completely change the team, and build a new team similar to the English one.

Let me explain, let's first look at the english ODi team that played pakistan during the summer:

1-Jason Roy
2-Alex Hales
3-Joe Root
4-Eoin Morgan
5-Ben Stokes
6-Jos Buttler
7-Moeen Ali
8-Chris Woakes
9-Adil Rasheed
10-Liam Plunkett
11-Mark Wood/David Willey

This English team consists of:1) two hard hitting and dangerous openers,2) a very stable middle order,3) a wicket-keeper who can bat, a fast bowling allrounder, a batsman who can bowl offspin and try to control the flow of runs, a bowler who can bat, a specialist spinner and two fast bowlers.

I believe Pakistan needs to build an Odi team which is similar to this team, with similar kind of players that perform the same role.
The Pak ODI that I suggest is:

1-Sharjeel Khan
2-Umar Akmal
3-Babar Azam
4-Haris Sohail
5-Sarfaraz Ahmad
6-Shoaib Malik/Mohammad Hafeez
7-Aamer Yamin
8-Imad Wasim
9-Amad Butt
10-Mohammad Amir
10-Wahab Riaz/Hassan Ali/Junaid Khan (preferably Hassan Ali)

1-Openers: Umar and Sharjeel can be very dangerous, and can take the game away from any team. Moreover, another good advantage is that it a right-left handed combination, always something useful to have. Concerning Umar Akmal, yes can be inconsistent at times, but I think he can be successful in the first 10 overs where most of the fielders are inside the circle

2-Middle Order: This is one of the most stable pakistani middle order I have ever seen, consisting of the best batsmen the country can offer.

3- 6th position: Both Malik and Hafeez have their weaknesses, so I wasn't sure who I should go for. But one thing that I like about them is that their offspin can come in handy, e.g. Hafeez today.

4-7,8: Yamin and Imad are talented players who can bat very well (+Imad's bowling is outstanding).

5-9,10,11: Amad, Amir and hassan/wahab/junaid. One of these 3 bowlers must know how to bat (e.g. Chris woakes) which is the reason why I did not put Hassan in the place of Ammad. If Hassan Ali learns how to bat, he should compete with amad, but if doesn't then he should compete with Amir, Wahab and Junaid.


So if we put the english team and Pakistani team head to head, we get this:

Jason Roy vs Sharjeel Khan: Jason Roy wins
Alex Hales vs Umar Akmal: Umar wins
Joe Root vs Babar Azam: Both very talented, but right now I would go for Root.
Eoin Morgan vs Haris Sohail: Haris wins
Jos Buttler vs Sarfaraz Ahmed: different roles in the team, so can't compare.
Ben Stokes vs Aamer Yamin : Ben stoke wins
Moeen Ali vs Shoaib Malik/Mohammad Hafeez: Hafeez/Malik win.
Chris Woakes vs Ammad Butt: Woakes wins
Adil Rasheed vs Imad Wasim : Imad wins.
Liam Plunkett vs Wahab/Hassan/Junaid: Difficult, but I go for Plunkett.
Mark Wood/David Willey vs Mohammad Amir: Amir wins.

Looking at the results, it is a tie ( 5vs5).

In conclusion, I feel Pakistan has the resources. Inzi just needs to select the right players and we may become a very dangerous side in ODIs!

Root,morgan,butler head and shoulders above the counter parts you have mentioned

Only a blind pak fan can think the other way

 

[JibranAnsari]

It will take years before we get any better and that too if we improve the domestic pitches. There is no short cut at all. All such plans will bear no results.

 

[JibranAnsari]

Look at the OD scores in our domestic cricket , hardly any team ever score in excess of 250. How do you expect players coming from such system score quickly at a way more difficult level. The mindset needs to change in domestic cricket , the cream we are getting from domestic cricket isn't rich enough.

 

[Zak_Fan]

"Strategy and mindset" is the second step. First you need to find some international quality players.

 

[Asim2Good]

benefit that other teams n players have is home series.
everyone gets couple of home series every year, be it test or ODIs
any good player who is struggling with form can get back to form by laying 6-7 tests and 10-12 ODIS at home.
most of players have played half (sometimes more than half) matches on their home grounds.
but sadly our players don't have that facility at moment, they are always away from home.
sometimes PCB doesn't players as well, as on Eid days our team is away from their country on trip.

 

[ali2220]

"Strategy and mindset" is the second step. First you need to find some international quality players.

Some? dumb! We have atleast 4-5 international quality players in onedayers, but even for the sake of argument we accept that we have no international quality player, then what should we do? stop playing onedayers? with a better strategy and approach we can achieve much better results.
No matter how many world class players you have, if the top leadership is clueless, you are bound top fail on most occasions.

 

[Pollack]

Pakistan don't have similar capability batsman to emulate English.

 

[Markhor]

The difference is in the cricket structure. England have a well funded and functioning domestic and grassroots system where youngsters are exposed to quality coaching at every age group as part of a clear development pathway from school, club to county cricket.

Our pitches are generally conducive to good cricket whereby batsmen get value for their shots (though too flat for my liking). England U19s and A team regular tour overseas so players also get exposed to foreign conditions. By the time the best youngsters are called up to the national team, most are ready made (or as close to it) for international cricket.

So the likes of Roy, Billings, Buttler etc don't come from thin air ! The talent doesn't grow on trees but is groomed through a proper structure !

In contrast, Pakistani youngsters are not properly coached from a young age, A tours are a luxury than a regular occurrence and come through a system where higherups think "talent hunts" in the local mohalla are a viable substitute for a proper system of identifying young talent. Then they play on crappy damp, slow, low pitches that produce poor quality cricket.

Good luck producing the dynamic strokeplayers required for modern LOIs with that system.

 

[Zak_Fan]

Some? dumb! We have atleast 4-5 international quality players in onedayers, but even for the sake of argument we accept that we have no international quality player, then what should we do? stop playing onedayers? with a better strategy and approach we can achieve much better results.
No matter how many world class players you have, if the top leadership is clueless, you are bound top fail on most occasions.

Pakistani batting is a liability, while the bowling attack too is below average. Leadership and strategies can do little unless you find some good enough players. England found players who could execute modern day strategies, specially in batting department. How many such players do Pakistan have?

 

[troodon]

Pakistan team is full of batting trundlers. Most score at 70s/r and refuse to take singles. Can't run fast and terrible stamina.

Sharjeel is the only real big hitter. But he is a poor runner. It will take time to develop a proper ODI team. Players like Azhar Ali, Malik should not be in ODI team.

 

[moghul]

Teams all over the world including Australia, SA, India , NZL and Australia are keeping up with demands of modern cricket and gradually replacing older players with younger talent, not Pakistan, bring one failing old player with another one. Misbah still has not shown the door and now Hafeez not only brought back but now leading the side.

 

[Kianig89]

Pakistan need to understand ODI cricket nowadays is all about dynamism hybrid and playing deep we need to consolidate as an ODI unit which is stick with 15-20 players for 20-30 games so that they establish themselves no need for N00bs and dead woods an An ODI squad for next 15 games ala English way

Sharjeel
Shehzad
Babar
U.Akmal
Sarfraz
Harris
Imad
Nawaz
Amir
Hassan
Sohail Khan

Bench Wahab Gohar Shafiq Rizwan Sami Ammad Anwar K.Latif Y.Shah

 

[speedking]

simple they removed tuk tuk and trundlers filled in express pace and hard hitters

 

[cricketerB94]

First of all get rid of Azhar. Umar as opener idea is never going to happen. Select Shehzad as opener as he is firing in domestics now a days and deserves one last chance. Too much (so called) dynamism backfires more often like we have seen Australia in 1st odi. We are not Australia who can rebuild from 67-5 to 268-9. For champions trophy, i would love to see this team:

Shehzad/Fakhar
Sharjeel
Babar
Haris
Malik
Sarfraz
Imad
Shehzad Azam/Amad Butt
Sohail Khan
Amir
Hasan

 

[Markhor]

simple they removed tuk tuk and trundlers filled in express pace and hard hitters

Go look at our domestic one day tournaments. Nearly everyone is tuk tukking, there are a lack of hard hitters and little in the form of express pacers. So where are these players going to come from ?

There was just TWO scores of 300+ out of 31 matches in the recent Departmental One Day Cup. And this is in an era where 300+ scores are the norm in modern ODI cricket. Forget 300, England have even posted scores of 400+ recently.

The last time any Pakistani side (domestic or international) reached a score of 400+ in a List A match was on 22nd March 2003 !

http://cricketarchive.com/Archive/Scorecards/76/76809.html

May surprise people that Misbah-ul-Haq was part of the team that scored 408 on that day.

 

[Saj]

Lots of talk about what needs doing and changing but little is being done about it.

What's the plan from the think-tank?

 

[ali2220]

Pakistani batting is a liability, while the bowling attack too is below average. Leadership and strategies can do little unless you find some good enough players. England found players who could execute modern day strategies, specially in batting department. How many such players do Pakistan have?

You said that Pak have NO international quality player and i pointed out 4-5 players to show how dumb was your post.Also, noone is claiming that Pak can do England by better planning and strategy, however if we improve in that department we are likely to do better than we have been doing

 

[ali2220]

simple they removed tuk tuk and trundlers filled in express pace and hard hitters

How can tuk tuk go away when Misbah's handpicked skippers (Azhar/Hafeez) are skipping the side?

The first thing we need to do is to change the captain, if Azhar was leading an the current Indian side, India would have been loosing some matches which they are winning comfortably under Kholi.

 

[Big Mac]

It's not a problem with mindset or strategy, the issue is one of talent.

England can afford to bat quickly throughout the innings because they have guys at #10 (and sometimes #11) with first class hundreds to their name. When you bat all the way through the order like that then wickets become less valuable and you can afford to take more risks because you know the next five guys can all bat.

Afridi was held up as this great ODI all-rounder by Pakistanis but he'd probably be batting at #9 or #10 for England. If we managed to get as lucky as England and hand a handful of bowlers who bat as well as Woakes and Rashid then we'd be scoring loads more runs, regardless of captain or coach.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

If Pakistan had the likes of Buttler, Stokes and Billings in their team all guys capable of being consistent and striking at a high rate, I don't think many Pakistani fans would care if they're sloggers or hacks.

England are in a good cycle right now with some exceptional hitters in the side, but my point was about the broader approach in general. Take England out of the equation, even then most of the other teams in international cricket have developed their limited over strategy to aim for scores of 300+ which means generally a far more aggressive attitude and picking players to match.

Aggressive doesn't just mean hitting the ball for six by the way, it can be aggressive running, strike rotation and placement. I think Pakistan's batting S/R in the opening power overs has probably ranked among the lowest in the rankings among leading teams today. When I watch the way Pakistani batsmen approach the innings as compared to say Australia, the lack of intent is striking.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

England is the probably the BEST in the world now when it comes to pure hitting.

So much talent its insane.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Take Bangladesh for example. No England when it comes to batting talent, but even then I see purpose and intent in their approach to innings which I don't see in Pakistan's batting. But it's like I said before, it's not that Pakistan have necessarily gone backwards that much, just other teams have moved on and probably have far better domestic and national structures to nurture the talent they do have.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Take Bangladesh for example. No England when it comes to batting talent, but even then I see purpose and intent in their approach to innings which I don't see in Pakistan's batting. But it's like I said before, it's not that Pakistan have necessarily gone backwards that much, just other teams have moved on and probably have far better domestic and national structures to nurture the talent they do have.

Bangladesh is an excellent modern day batting unit.

India-esque in their approach.

Good batsmen...good spinners...random good pacers. They too suck at pure power hitting.

Afghanistan is Pakistanesque in their approach (though they have along way to go to become a non minnow).

 

[Asim2Good]

So PPers what you have learnt from England today?

 

[Cricket World]

No genuine wicket taker to come back into a game like today's once Kohli got out

 

[MMHS]

Take Bangladesh for example. No England when it comes to batting talent, but even then I see purpose and intent in their approach to innings which I don't see in Pakistan's batting. But it's like I said before, it's not that Pakistan have necessarily gone backwards that much, just other teams have moved on and probably have far better domestic and national structures to nurture the talent they do have.

I thought, overall our batting on classical qualities is as good as any one - easily better than AUS/NZ, even ENG when comes to spin play; better than SRL/PAK/WI on seeming/swinging condition, and as good as any team on home surface. They lack brutal hitting ability, but some of the best timers & technically correct batsmen play in top 6 - besides, batting order is far, far organized than PAK.

But yes, game has moved lot & BD is bringing Sabbir/Soumya in top 3, PAK is making Azhar Captain and calling Asad back for probably 50th time.

 

[Chief Destroyer]

We need to learn from England and change our captain.

 

[shah_1]

England bowling is below par

 

[Mamoon]

England is one strike bowler away from being virtually unbeatable in ODIs. They don't have the best opener or best middle-order batsman in the world, but as a batting unit, they are ahead of every team with no weak-links. However, they will get even better if Bairstow replaces Morgan.

Still back them to win the next CT or the next World Cup.

 

[Asim2Good]

Oh dear England, we have to find another team as inspiration for our team.
8/8 in 3 overs
I can only imagine number of threads here IF this was Pak team.
2 "Great" innings in last 2 T20s from "great" of today, Joe Root

 

[Chief Destroyer]

They need better bowlers to compete away from home just like India.