Pakistan overtakes India, becomes team with second-most ODI wins [Update #96]

[Sidilicious]

Pakistan has arguably been the second best cricketing team of all time, behind Australia. West Indies had a great past but are presently awful while South Africa have no past but are presently pretty good. Pakistan had/has both.

Talking about all formats here.

In tests, no.2 is pretty close between WI, SA and Pak. WI are losing out slowly unless they start performing. Between SA and Pak, its pretty close. Then come England and then India.

But, in ODIs, you would still be behind Aus, Ind and WI.

 

[enkidu_]

Great achievement, but the W/L ratio still shows how Australia has been on another stratospheric level as compared to the rest of the countries, and who remained pretty consistent.

 

[Uzair Gooner]

Great achievement, but the W/L ratio still shows how Australia has been on another stratospheric level as compared to the rest of the countries, and who remained pretty consistent.

SA has nearly the same W/L ratio as Australia

 

[Bilal7]

In tests, no.2 is pretty close between WI, SA and Pak. WI are losing out slowly unless they start performing. Between SA and Pak, its pretty close. Then come England and then India.

But, in ODIs, you would still be behind Aus, Ind and WI.

Pakistan and South Africa are neck and neck in tests, I agree, but Pakistan probably edge it out due to our history.

In ODIs, the Windies are behind due to being awful for the last 10-12 years. India also have an inferior W/L record but they have one extra World Cup so it is debatable.

Overall, like I said, Pakistan is only behind Australia.

 

[Tusker]

Pakistan and South Africa are neck and neck in tests, I agree, but Pakistan probably edge it out due to our history.

In ODIs, the Windies are behind due to being awful for the last 10-12 years. India also have an inferior W/L record but they have one extra World Cup so it is debatable.

Overall, like I said, Pakistan is only behind Australia.

You forgot 2 CT and B&H.

 

[Suleiman]

How is the weather in Fantasy World?

Meanwhile back in the real world:

Months of #1 ranking in Tests from 1952 to 2016: West Indies 220, India 89, Pakistan 4

Months of #1 ranking in ODIs from 1981 to 2016: West Indies 98, India 21, Pakistan 3

And Pakistan has never been ranked #1 in iT20s.

t20 rankings are the least meaningful in the world. A ranked 6th England made it to the world cup final just a few months back despite being ranked lower than Ireland just before.

 

[Sidilicious]

Pakistan and South Africa are neck and neck in tests, I agree, but Pakistan probably edge it out due to our history.

In ODIs, the Windies are behind due to being awful for the last 10-12 years. India also have an inferior W/L record but they have one extra World Cup so it is debatable.

Overall, like I said, Pakistan is only behind Australia.

Again, I would disagree. You are not far away from 2nd, but WI are still no.2.

I will start with ODIs first. It would be safe to assume that the ODI achievement should be rated in the following manner
1. World Cup
2. Champions Trophy
3. Other ODI series (Asia Cups, Sharjah, Benson Hedges etc)
4. Overall W/L record against the top ODI nations (excluding Bangladesh and Zimbabwe as these teams have been only good for less than 33% of their time as ODI teams). This overall record would take into account the billateral

Since the main question is which team is no.2 between India, Pakistan and West Indies, I will limit the discussion to these teams.

India and WI are clearly ahead of Pakistan in WC with an extra WC win.

India have 2 Champions trophies, WI 1, and Pakistan none. So, India first here, WI 2nd, and Pakistan 3rd.

In other ODI tournaments, India have 5 Asia cups, Pakistan have 2. (cant compare WI here). Pakistan has the upper hand in Sharjah. But both WI and Pak have been good in Aus. But India also won the B&H World Series in Aus, so India is not that far behind. Here Pak and WI are together at the top, with India just behind.

Finally, billaterals, which would be reflected in overall records - all 3 teams are pretty close. 2% differentiating the 3 teams in W/L record against the top ODI teams.

This means
1. Even though WI may have struggled in the last 10 years or so, they still have a W/L slightly better than India and Pak. So, they were so much better when they were the best, that it compensates for their poor form now. Mind you, in the last 15 years, despite being a poor team in the 15 years, they have still made it to 3 finals in CT, and won 1.

2. Even though Pakistan have a greater W/L record against India, their overall record against the top teams is very similar to India's. So, even though they have outpaced India, they have been outplayed by other teams that India has a better record against (its England actually)

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...am=4;team=6;team=7;template=results;type=team

So given all the above facts, we can safely say that the ODI rankings are India at 2, WI at 3 and Pak at 4.

Will post about tests in a later post.

 

[Bilal7]

There is nothing special about the Champions Trophy or the Asia Cup. The World Cup is the only tournament that matters. That, along with W/L record and even Head-to-head record is what determines the rankings.

If you want to base it on how many Asia cups (how many have the Windies played in?), poor man's WC and Sharjah cups a team has played, be my guest. Only the World Cup received special distinction, in my opinion.

 

[Sidilicious]

There is nothing special about the Champions Trophy or the Asia Cup. The World Cup is the only tournament that matters. That, along with W/L record and even Head-to-head record is what determines the rankings.

If you want to base it on how many Asia cups (how many have the Windies played in?), poor man's WC and Sharjah cups a team has played, be my guest. Only the World Cup received special distinction, in my opinion.

I disagree on CT at least. That is a top event, is organised by ICC and is cherished as a trophy.

Even if you take out CT and the other Sharjah cups, Asia cups etc, India and WI have won one extra WC.

Head to Head against top teams, all 3 teams have really close numbers against the top teams with the diff being in 1% point between the 3 teams. So, that extra WC is the biggest difference.

 

[Napa]

<b>Pakistan has arguably been the second best cricketing team of all time, behind Australia.</b> West Indies had a great past but are presently awful while South Africa have no past but are presently pretty good. Pakistan had/has both.

Talking about all formats here.

Arguably? All formats?

Months of #1 ranking in Tests from 1952 to 2016: West Indies 220, India 89, Pakistan 4

Months of #1 ranking in ODIs from 1981 to 2016: West Indies 98, India 21, Pakistan 3

Number of Pakistan months ranked #1 in iT20s: 0

 

[BD-fan]

I started following cricket in 1996. Before that:

WI had a 64% win rate
Australia 55
England 53
Pakistan 51
India 46
SA 44
NZ 41
SL 29

Since then WI has slumped to 43.5% winning. The decline wouldn't stop; with the Board - Player issues and love for T20.

 

[Napa]

Since then WI has slumped to 43.5% winning. The decline wouldn't stop; with the Board - Player issues and love for T20.

In the last 5 years, WI are behind Ireland and Netherlands and just above Kenya and HK. Of course, WI play against much tougher opposition.



The dominant countries are Australia and India, followed by SA.

 

[Bilal7]

I disagree on CT at least. That is a top event, is organised by ICC and is cherished as a trophy.

Even if you take out CT and the other Sharjah cups, Asia cups etc, India and WI have won one extra WC.

Head to Head against top teams, all 3 teams have really close numbers against the top teams with the diff being in 1% point between the 3 teams. So, that extra WC is the biggest difference.

It's not cherished. There were plans to scrap it and it will most likely be scrapped in the near future. It's a fun tournament but has nowhere near the prestige that a World Cup does.

Yes, I already said that the extra WC makes it debatable who has been the better ODI team, despite Pakistan's historic dominance over India in the ODI format.

My point has always been about performances in tests and ODIs both. Pakistan come out second when tests and ODIs are both considered.

Arguably? All formats?

Months of #1 ranking in Tests from 1952 to 2016: West Indies 220, India 89, Pakistan 4

Months of #1 ranking in ODIs from 1981 to 2016: West Indies 98, India 21, Pakistan 3

Number of Pakistan months ranked #1 in iT20s: 0

I already told you to keep your tables and stats to yourself. The rankings are flawed and not the be all, end all of analysing team performances.

 

[zulfiqar]

This thread is about historical stats, so I'm not sure why so many posters are dismissing these stats talking about recent years.

Historically in ODIs, Aus & SA have been behemoths. WI fell off dramatically and Pakistan & India have become more consistent. That's what I'm reading from the overall ODI stats.

 

[Napa]

I already told you to keep your tables and stats to yourself. The rankings are flawed and not the be all, end all of analysing team performances.

You may not like rankings now, but when Pakistan got the #1 ranking you wrote in another thread "Well done, Misbah! You and your players have achieved<b> something very special.</b>"

 

[Abdullah719]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="und" dir="ltr">Most ODI wins:<br>Australia 554<br>Pakistan 460<br>India 459<br>W Indies 378<br>S Lanka 369<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/851911969892388865">April 11, 2017</a></blockquote>
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[Citizen4]

great, the only way is up

 

[msb314]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="und" dir="ltr">Most ODI wins:<br>Australia 554<br>Pakistan 460<br>India 459<br>W Indies 378<br>S Lanka 369<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/851911969892388865">April 11, 2017</a></blockquote>
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What are the number of games played for each of these teams?

 

[Abdullah719]

What are the number of games played for each of these teams?

[table= class:grid][tr][td]Team[/td][td]Mat[/td][td]Won[/td][td]Lost[/td][td]Tied[/td][td]NR[/td][td]W/L[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Australia[/td][td]898[/td][td]554[/td][td]303[/td][td]9[/td][td]32[/td][td]1.828[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Pakistan[/td][td]874[/td][td]460[/td][td]388[/td][td]8[/td][td]18[/td][td]1.185[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]India[/td][td]907[/td][td]459[/td][td]402[/td][td]7[/td][td]39[/td][td]1.141[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]West Indies[/td][td]754[/td][td]378[/td][td]343[/td][td]9[/td][td]24[/td][td]1.102[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Sri Lanka[/td][td]790[/td][td]369[/td][td]380[/td][td]5[/td][td]36[/td][td]0.971[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]South Africa[/td][td]574[/td][td]356[/td][td]196[/td][td]6[/td][td]16[/td][td]1.816[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]England[/td][td]683[/td][td]332[/td][td]320[/td][td]8[/td][td]23[/td][td]1.037[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]New Zealand[/td][td]721[/td][td]320[/td][td]357[/td][td]6[/td][td]38[/td][td]0.896[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Zimbabwe[/td][td]484[/td][td]125[/td][td]342[/td][td]6[/td][td]11[/td][td]0.365[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Bangladesh[/td][td]324[/td][td]102[/td][td]217[/td][td]0[/td][td]5[/td][td]0.470[/td][/tr][/table]

 

[Flat_Track_Bully]

65 years of cricketing heritage. We are an institution of the sport.

Post 2003 the stats must be abysmal.

 

[msb314]

[table= class:grid][tr][td]Team[/td][td]Mat[/td][td]Won[/td][td]Lost[/td][td]Tied[/td][td]NR[/td][td]W/L[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Australia[/td][td]898[/td][td]554[/td][td]303[/td][td]9[/td][td]32[/td][td]1.828[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Pakistan[/td][td]874[/td][td]460[/td][td]388[/td][td]8[/td][td]18[/td][td]1.185[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]India[/td][td]907[/td][td]459[/td][td]402[/td][td]7[/td][td]39[/td][td]1.141[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]West Indies[/td][td]754[/td][td]378[/td][td]343[/td][td]9[/td][td]24[/td][td]1.102[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Sri Lanka[/td][td]790[/td][td]369[/td][td]380[/td][td]5[/td][td]36[/td][td]0.971[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]South Africa[/td][td]574[/td][td]356[/td][td]196[/td][td]6[/td][td]16[/td][td]1.816[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]England[/td][td]683[/td][td]332[/td][td]320[/td][td]8[/td][td]23[/td][td]1.037[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]New Zealand[/td][td]721[/td][td]320[/td][td]357[/td][td]6[/td][td]38[/td][td]0.896[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Zimbabwe[/td][td]484[/td][td]125[/td][td]342[/td][td]6[/td][td]11[/td][td]0.365[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Bangladesh[/td][td]324[/td][td]102[/td][td]217[/td][td]0[/td][td]5[/td][td]0.470[/td][/tr][/table]

Thanks - not only have we overtaken india in wins but we also did it in 33 less games!

 

[Flat_Track_Bully]

Thanks - not only have we overtaken india in wins but we also did it in 33 less games!

With less defeats too.

 

[Flat_Track_Bully]

Bangladesh lower than Zimbabwe

 

[ahmedwaqas92]

Even after almost 7 years for mediocrity day in day out we are still the second best ODI side historically.

The stats must've been near what amazing before this current downward spiral in recent times

 

[dildildalwalla]

I'm more impressed by the W/L ratio. Even with the mediocre ODI results in the last several years, just imagine what that ratio would have been 1 5years ago. Damn!

Oh, and I'm assuming a tonne of Indian and "Pakistani" posters are about to invade this thread. Run for cover people.

 

[dildildalwalla]

I disagree on CT at least. That is a top event, is organised by ICC and is cherished as a trophy.

Even if you take out CT and the other Sharjah cups, Asia cups etc, India and WI have won one extra WC.

Head to Head against top teams, all 3 teams have really close numbers against the top teams with the diff being in 1% point between the 3 teams. So, that extra WC is the biggest difference.

The CT was due to be scrapped before the last one in England lol It is living on life support. It isn't a top event and only gained some traction in the last few years.

 

[Chief Destroyer]

Even after almost 7 years for mediocrity day in day out we are still the second best ODI side historically.

The stats must've been near what amazing before this current downward spiral in recent times

If we're talking bilaterals then it's SA who are second best, arguably the best.

 

[Tusker]

The real table that separates the big boys from the kids : http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...sults;trophy=12;trophy=15;trophy=44;type=team

 

[Ph_11]

Congratulations!

 

[cricketInsight]

Bangladesh lower than Zimbabwe

That's nonsense - they have also played fewer games.

If anything - Pakistan is ranked number 3 based on the W/L ratio which is a better measure.

 

[Square Drive]

Pakistan has always and will always be a top side.

Haters can continue with the usual.

 

[msb314]

With less defeats too.

Yes - historically we are still a very strong and formidable team.

 

[Kaptan]

2nd best team is finding it difficult to qualify for World cup. Kese din aa gai

 

[RamLakhan]

Seems like Pakistani Cricket Team and even their fans love to stick with the past and stay happy there! Cricket is growing in some other new direction and they are losing the path completely! The real No.1 of the past (if past is all the considerate!) West Indies seem to have forgotten about their glorious past!

The most amazing thing is they are boasting high of something when actually they have achieved more or less similar stuff compared to other teams including India! Too many Pakistani greats were stacked up in the same team at some period (backed by other above-average players), that's the reason where they improved their stats during that period. While ATGs from India were dispersed & placed at different times. It is "now" (maybe after 2000) that Indians started to find a collective team with Top players and its continuing.

After 5 years or so, if this trend continues and if Pakistanis simply live in the past without doing anything about their present and future, the situation gets even worse and out of hands. It becomes as funny as saying Indian Gods took some avatars in past yugas & did miracles, if Pakistan simply talks about their past players & achievements!

 

[Sidilicious]

The CT was due to be scrapped before the last one in England lol It is living on life support. It isn't a top event and only gained some traction in the last few years.

Its an ICC event. Winning it counts way more than winning some random bilateral or a kitply cup.

 

[Hitman]

Congrats! An achievement to be proud of. Hopefully we'll be able to catch up soon. Anyways, really good achievement.

 

[JibranAnsari]

Hope the next decade is a lot lot better than the last decade.

 

[geraltofrivia]

This is the figure in the last 10 years
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...2007;spanval1=span;template=results;type=team

Same minus Zimbabwe, Ireland etc - teams Pakistan keep playing regularly as top teams don't give them much matches
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...2007;spanval1=span;template=results;type=team

And since this trend is continuing in the next few year India will have the W/L ratio too. As far as number of wins is concerned Pakistan has lucked by playing WI so much. India in the meantime have defeated NZ and Eng, two premier ODI teams that Pakistan hasn't defeated since god knows when. The number of wins will become equal in a few months when India gives their annual phainty to Pakistan and will increase as India keep winning in the CT and then Pakistan keep losing. Then we go to the Caribbean and will do our usual series win while Pakistan lose to the Bangladeshis (who have become even better than the last time when they whitewashed them 3-0).

So let Pakistani fans cling on to the past and find solace in their VCR recorded memories for there is nothing left for them in the future.

 

[Pakpak]

This is the figure in the last 10 years
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...2007;spanval1=span;template=results;type=team

Same minus Zimbabwe, Ireland etc - teams Pakistan keep playing regularly as top teams don't give them much matches
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...2007;spanval1=span;template=results;type=team

And since this trend is continuing in the next few year India will have the W/L ratio too. As far as number of wins is concerned Pakistan has lucked by playing WI so much. India in the meantime have defeated NZ and Eng, two premier ODI teams that Pakistan hasn't defeated since god knows when. The number of wins will become equal in a few months when India gives their annual phainty to Pakistan and will increase as India keep winning in the CT and then Pakistan keep losing. Then we go to the Caribbean and will do our usual series win while Pakistan lose to the Bangladeshis (who have become even better than the last time when they whitewashed them 3-0).

So let Pakistani fans cling on to the past and find solace in their VCR recorded memories for there is nothing left for them in the future.

Another dire post from a known troll.

Bangladesh have been on a downward spiral after the SA series, smashed by NZ beaten by England and could not beat SL either. Not that we have been any better but to say they've 'improved' is pulling it out from your rear.

We have played the WI, what 4 times in 7 years? Unlike the Indians who'd play Lanka about 4 times a year.

 

[saeed5646]

No matter how much worse we have played from last 10 years still we are 2nd best woah amazing achievement .i hope next 10 years are good for us

 

[RamLakhan]

This is the figure in the last 10 years
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...2007;spanval1=span;template=results;type=team

Same minus Zimbabwe, Ireland etc - teams Pakistan keep playing regularly as top teams don't give them much matches
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...2007;spanval1=span;template=results;type=team

And since this trend is continuing in the next few year India will have the W/L ratio too. As far as number of wins is concerned Pakistan has lucked by playing WI so much. India in the meantime have defeated NZ and Eng, two premier ODI teams that Pakistan hasn't defeated since god knows when. The number of wins will become equal in a few months when India gives their annual phainty to Pakistan and will increase as India keep winning in the CT and then Pakistan keep losing. Then we go to the Caribbean and will do our usual series win while Pakistan lose to the Bangladeshis (who have become even better than the last time when they whitewashed them 3-0).

So let Pakistani fans cling on to the past and find solace in their VCR recorded memories for there is nothing left for them in the future.

Good analysis. Also one can look at the "real deal" (as Pakistanis always talk about) TEST CRICKET, where Pakistan has inverse ratio (more losses than wins), even Sri Lanka is better! (Let's hope they don't give the excuse of "home grounds"/UAE. Actually Younis & co prefer UAE more than the lively pitches of Pakistan! Actually if Pakistan were to play their matches in Pakistan instead of UAE, they would have suffered even worse because they no more have the fast bowlers to exploit those conditions, and teams like NZ & WI with their bowlers would also prefer it!)

But I didn't expect them to have done so well in T20s. They have played lot of T20s. (Still India has better W/L ratio).

Anyways its high time Pakistan stop talking about past glories and concentrate at what is on hands, and stop comparing with India in their convenient ways!

 

[dildildalwalla]

Good analysis. Also one can look at the "real deal" (as Pakistanis always talk about) TEST CRICKET, where Pakistan has inverse ratio (more losses than wins), even Sri Lanka is better! (Let's hope they don't give the excuse of "home grounds"/UAE. Actually Younis & co prefer UAE more than the lively pitches of Pakistan! Actually if Pakistan were to play their matches in Pakistan instead of UAE, they would have suffered even worse because they no more have the fast bowlers to exploit those conditions, and teams like NZ & WI with their bowlers would also prefer it!)

But I didn't expect them to have done so well in T20s. They have played lot of T20s. (Still India has better W/L ratio).

Anyways its high time Pakistan stop talking about past glories and concentrate at what is on hands, and stop comparing with India in their convenient ways!

That's a lie, Pakistan have the third or fourth highest win/loss ratio in Test history.

 

[Mamoon]

Good but completely irrelevant.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Its an ICC event. Winning it counts way more than winning some random bilateral or a kitply cup.

Exactly. Now explain this to some of the IPL fans too who think that CT is useless in front of IPL.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

This is the figure in the last 10 years
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...2007;spanval1=span;template=results;type=team

Same minus Zimbabwe, Ireland etc - teams Pakistan keep playing regularly as top teams don't give them much matches
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...2007;spanval1=span;template=results;type=team

And since this trend is continuing in the next few year India will have the W/L ratio too. As far as number of wins is concerned Pakistan has lucked by playing WI so much. India in the meantime have defeated NZ and Eng, two premier ODI teams that Pakistan hasn't defeated since god knows when. The number of wins will become equal in a few months when India gives their annual phainty to Pakistan and will increase as India keep winning in the CT and then Pakistan keep losing. Then we go to the Caribbean and will do our usual series win while Pakistan lose to the Bangladeshis (who have become even better than the last time when they whitewashed them 3-0).

So let Pakistani fans cling on to the past and find solace in their VCR recorded memories for there is nothing left for them in the future.

Why should we look at stats of last 10 years only? Is it because Pakistan haven't done well in that period? Selective stats proves nothing. OP talks about all the matches every team has played so bringing in last 10 years is irrelevant.

 

[ethan hunt]

Pakistan is the 2nd to 3rd most sucessful team in all formats.
Comparison with India is an insult . Pakistan should look to improve its infrastructure to match Australia instead of seeking pride in being better than an ordinary cricketing nation like India.

Also dont understand why indians are getting upset . Should just accept that they have been a poor cricket team for a major part of their history and move on .

 

[Bilal7]

Pakistan is undoubtedly the best Asian team to play this sport and I don't see that changing living the quality of some of the upcoming players. Overall, Pakistan is second best given that we have at least been competitive in all three formats ever since we started playing cricket, have superb W/L ratios, won the highest honor available in the ODI and T20 format and have had some truly legendary cricketers don the Pakistani jersey, more than most other countries.

Not only has our performance been outstanding, but we have also been one of the most exciting cricketing teams out there which has gained Pakistan plenty of neutral fans as well. When you add revolutionary contributions to the sport like reverse-swing and the doosra, Pakistan as a country has been instrumental for the development of cricket.

 

[Bilal7]

Pakistan is the 2nd to 3rd most sucessful team in all formats.
Comparison with India is an insult . Pakistan should look to improve its infrastructure to match Australia instead of seeking pride in being better than an ordinary cricketing nation like India.

Also dont understand why indians are getting upset . Should just accept that they have been a poor cricket team for a major part of their history and move on .

Exactly. I know it burns but Indian fans need not throw a fit over this. This is like the English getting upset that the Australians have been far ahead of them in this sport. It just does not make sense.

India's rivals should be Sri Lanka who have been on the same level historically.

 

[Bilal7]

Why should we look at stats of last 10 years only? Is it because Pakistan haven't done well in that period? Selective stats proves nothing. OP talks about all the matches every team has played so bringing in last 10 years is irrelevant.

You are by far, my favorite Indian poster on this forum. I have no problems in admitting that India have been ahead in ODIs in the last 10 years, just like Indian fans shouldn't have any problem in admitting that Pakistan have been the better ODI team overall.

 

[Pakpak]

Good analysis. Also one can look at the "real deal" (as Pakistanis always talk about) TEST CRICKET, where Pakistan has inverse ratio (more losses than wins), even Sri Lanka is better! (Let's hope they don't give the excuse of "home grounds"/UAE. Actually Younis & co prefer UAE more than the lively pitches of Pakistan! Actually if Pakistan were to play their matches in Pakistan instead of UAE, they would have suffered even worse because they no more have the fast bowlers to exploit those conditions, and teams like NZ & WI with their bowlers would also prefer it!)

But I didn't expect them to have done so well in T20s. They have played lot of T20s. (Still India has better W/L ratio).

Anyways its high time Pakistan stop talking about past glories and concentrate at what is on hands, and stop comparing with India in their convenient ways!

Lol, Pakistan's ratio is the third highest in Test cricket.

 

[Bilal7]

Good analysis. Also one can look at the "real deal" (as Pakistanis always talk about) TEST CRICKET, where Pakistan has inverse ratio (more losses than wins), even Sri Lanka is better! (Let's hope they don't give the excuse of "home grounds"/UAE. Actually Younis & co prefer UAE more than the lively pitches of Pakistan! Actually if Pakistan were to play their matches in Pakistan instead of UAE, they would have suffered even worse because they no more have the fast bowlers to exploit those conditions, and teams like NZ & WI with their bowlers would also prefer it!)

But I didn't expect them to have done so well in T20s. They have played lot of T20s. (Still India has better W/L ratio).

Anyways its high time Pakistan stop talking about past glories and concentrate at what is on hands, and stop comparing with India in their convenient ways!

Know your facts. Here:

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=1;orderby=win_loss_ratio;template=results;type=team

A positive W/L ratio and fourth best of all time. Overall, Pakistan scores even better:

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=11;filter=advanced;orderby=win_loss_ratio;qualmin1=200;qualval1=matches;template=results;type=team

Third best W/L ratio across formats, with South Africa being #2. Factor in World Cup wins and Pakistan are the clear #2 cricketing team of all time. Hopefully, we can get to #1 by having a fantastic decade of cricketing performance.

 

[RamLakhan]

Yes Pakistan excelled in the era where cameras/rules were weak, matches were less professional, hence bowling actions and ball tampering were not monitored! Actual accolades should go to WI team who played infinite times better in the same era with true potential & skills (even without indulging to sledging & mind games like Aussies). When such team (WI) has no hopes in this "professional era", then wonder what Pakistan can do with their so-called natural (? twisted) talent now?

 

[Pakpak]

Yes Pakistan excelled in the era where cameras/rules were weak, matches were less professional, hence bowling actions and ball tampering were not monitored! Actual accolades should go to WI team who played infinite times better in the same era with true potential & skills (even without indulging to sledging & mind games like Aussies). When such team (WI) has no hopes in this "professional era", then wonder what Pakistan can do with their so-called natural (? twisted) talent now?

It was the same era and same rules for every team, not just Pakistan. What an absurd post. And Pakistan was the first country to beg for neutral umpires. And the only team not to lose to WI in their peak decade despite the biased umpiring they had (like every country from that era)

 

[Chrish]

Not bad.. in fact impressive

 

[Sidilicious]

Exactly. Now explain this to some of the IPL fans too who think that CT is useless in front of IPL.

Why is every thread an IPL thing with you?

I aint too fond of IPL either. Rarely watch it. Even when I follow its news, is to see a new Indian kid on the block. But at least appreciate the financial security its brought to the cricketers.

I have put this point to you multiple over the last couple of years, but you never respond on the part of financial security.

Anyways, I don't watch IPL, nor am I interested in discussing about it.

 

[ethan hunt]

Yes Pakistan excelled in the era where cameras/rules were weak, matches were less professional, hence bowling actions and ball tampering were not monitored! Actual accolades should go to WI team who played infinite times better in the same era with true potential & skills (even without indulging to sledging & mind games like Aussies). When such team (WI) has no hopes in this "professional era", then wonder what Pakistan can do with their so-called natural (? twisted) talent now?

Haha . India has always been gracious in defeat .

 

[deep82]

Yes, good for you. I like when you guys rest on past laurel. Give us immense joy giving you phanity after phainity.

 

[dildildalwalla]

It amazes me that Pak still have these types of w/l and percentages even though they have been pretty average in the last 5 or 6 years in ODIs. It's just remarkable how strong Pak used to be and even now, as an average team, they still produce top players.

Truly one of the top 3 teams of all time (Aus and Eng).

 

[Ph_11]

This thread has deteiorated. Pakistan has done well and so has India. These issues are settled on the field.

 

[Tusker]

It's not cherished. There were plans to scrap it and it will most likely be scrapped in the near future. It's a fun tournament but has nowhere near the prestige that a World Cup does.

Yes, I already said that the extra WC makes it debatable who has been the better ODI team, despite Pakistan's historic dominance over India in the ODI format.

My point has always been about performances in tests and ODIs both. Pakistan come out second when tests and ODIs are both considered.



I already told you to keep your tables and stats to yourself. The rankings are flawed and not the be all, end all of analysing team performances.

BUMP ... I suspect things have changed significantly since this post was made last year atleast for [MENTION=129948]Bilal7[/MENTION]

 

[Bilal7]

BUMP ... I suspect things have changed significantly since this post was made last year atleast for [MENTION=129948]Bilal7[/MENTION]

You need to try harder to pay me back for all the times I've schooled you. The CT was good, especially because of the way we embarrassed you guys but I will gladly trade three CT wins for a World Cup.

 

[Tusker]

You need to try harder to pay me back for all the times I've schooled you. The CT was good, especially because of the way we embarrassed you guys but I will gladly trade three CT wins for a World Cup.

And how many T20WC = One 50 Over WC ?