Pakistan players are now a must in next IPL auction

[AamchiMumbaikar]

Pakistan are going to win 2021 T20 Wc wit just PSL. They do not need any other leagues.

 

[IMMY69]

My point is that it will not make any difference. There is no mystery and exoticism attached to Pakistani players or players from any team for that matter.

Pakistani players playing in IPL won’t decrease India’s chances of beating Pakistan and neither will it decrease Pakistan’s chances of producing an upset result against India.

For example, even if Rahul and Shaheen play in the same IPL team, it will not help Rahul keep that delivery out because it was an absolute peach. It was unplayable.

Similarly, the way Babar and Rizwan batted, it won’t make any difference if the Indian bowlers bowl to them every day. They played orthodox, risk free cricket and did not give an inch to the Indian bowlers.

You said, and I quote, "wonder what will happen if Indian players get some insight and exposure on Pakistani players. They will win 6 out of 6 I guess."

So what you're implying is that Pakistani players in the IPL will not improve and that Pakistani's are just rubbish.

Therefore your post is in extremely poor taste. Not surprising though.

 

[globalcitizen]

This is not happening soon because it's ultimately governments decision. The previous and current government had same stand so that's not going to change soon.

If someone is trying to debate and saying skills as reason, then Probably lacks analytic skills or just doing timepass!

 

[Rudi hater]

A 10 wicket phainta to India might open the door for Pak players in IPL. The franchise owners will take a note of players like Babar, Rizwan, Shaheen, Imad etc and would be willing to buy them.

If politics dont stop their hand, expect quite a few Pak players getting picked in next IPL.

No thank you.. we are better off without it.

 

[Artaxerxes]

Foreign players are playing in IPL for money only.They don’t care about cricket.Cricketers earn good money these days.Money is not everything.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Pak players going to IPL means the death of PSL.

For a small charm, we are going to lose out on a much bigger opportunity.

Right now PSL is in the best position to become the only true rival of IPL. Which means, a much bigger advantage to Pak cricket. The scope of success is HUGE if PSL raises up to become the rival of IPL.
Having a few of top Pak players joining IPL for a couple of millions of dollars is stabbing PSL in the back.

Both IPL and PSL are devaluing their own tournaments by not hosting each other's players. I would have thought at some point the Big Bash or the Hundred will carry more prestige as they have every countries best players available.

No doubt IPL and PSL will still attract plenty of fans, as most fans want to watch their own players more than tourists, but you could argue that the inclusive leagues offer better standard product.

 

[Saj]

No chance.

In fact the events of Sunday probably made it less likely.

 

[Muhammad Kaleem]

The world does not revolve around your IPL.

 

[Markhor]

I've disagreed on a few things with the OP but respect for saying this.

The very notion Pakistani players do not even merit a place in the IPL, was disproved Sunday night by likes of Shaheen, Babar and Rizwan. It's a minor tragedy they've missed out on the learnings IPL bring - it's the white ball equivalent of what County Cricket once was for red ball cricket.

There isn't a cricketing reason for their exclusion.

 

[princeuk]

T20 skills were never an issue with pakistani players, its always been olitical so unless politically things dont improve then it will never happen, it wont happen during modi's tenure for sure.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

Both IPL and PSL are devaluing their own tournaments by not hosting each other's players. I would have thought at some point the Big Bash or the Hundred will carry more prestige as they have every countries best players available.

No doubt IPL and PSL will still attract plenty of fans, as most fans want to watch their own players more than tourists, but you could argue that the inclusive leagues offer better standard product.

This is somewhat one can discuss.

If Pak top Pak players play in IPL then Indian Top players MUST also play in PSL. Absolutely no other way.

We have a tremendous chance to play our trump cards (Top Pak players) rightly, and do not fall for some dollars that a few Pak players will earn in IPL.

We can hugely benefit PSL at this point if we play the game smartly.

 

[Pakpak]

Naw.
Don't expect this from BCCI/India, and don't want it to happen either.

From the pure business perspective right now, there is a growing demand of seeing Pak stars in the T20 leagues. Much of that demand also comes from the Indian cricket fans. And that's where the money and the business is.

So for now, anyone who wants to watch Pak stars in action in the T20 leagues, they MUST subscribe to PSL. This means more viewership, more business, more money, and very, very importantly, more exposure of young and emerging Pak players to the international cricket world. (This can't be achieved if a few Pak players join IPL).

On the other hand, if a few top Pak players join IPL, then who is going to watch PSL? The demand of watching Pak players will be met by watching IPL. There won't be much of demand left for PSL.

The top Pak players (Shaheen, Babar, Rizwan etc), are our absolute trump cards to raise PSL business to the next level. And we must take advantage of it.
If you want to watch them in action (and millions do want to), then subscribe to PSL.

I personally feel that Pak players and PCB must refuse to join IPL even if they receive a bombardment of invitations.

The BCCI if does invite pak players for IPL, then they will do it for the sole purpose of choking it's competition.
It's just like, a bigger company buying a small company and firing 50% of it's staff.

This is spot on. If our players end up in the IPL it will massively damage our own league

 

[MenInG]

IPL mega auction coming up and no Pakistanis!

 

[thelandofthebravepeople]

Pakistani players should be in IPL. I can't believe this discrimination is accepted in cricket world.

 

[Rana]

Pakistani players should be in IPL. I can't believe this discrimination is accepted in cricket world.

And we have Pakistan fans here who are happy to accept their lowly status in world cricket

 

[cricketjoshila]

Pakistani players should be in IPL. I can't believe this discrimination is accepted in cricket world.

Discrimination? Granting of work visas isn't a right, its a privilege.

 

[Artaxerxes]

Pakistani players don’t need to play in IPL.Money is not everything.

 

[gazza619]

Discrimination? Granting of work visas isn't a right, its a privilege.

Agreed. Its probably also good for Pakistan’s talented breed of players to stay away from so many leagues. One league at home and one away should be allowed.

 

[MenInG]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">3 cricketers who in an ideal world would light up the Indian Premier League <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/IPLT20?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#IPLT20</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a> <a href="https://t.co/k3bcoPTp4F">pic.twitter.com/k3bcoPTp4F</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@SajSadiqCricket) <a href="https://twitter.com/SajSadiqCricket/status/1492481981568983040?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 12, 2022</a></blockquote>
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[Zaz]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">3 cricketers who in an ideal world would light up the Indian Premier League <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/IPLT20?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#IPLT20</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a> <a href="https://t.co/k3bcoPTp4F">pic.twitter.com/k3bcoPTp4F</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@SajSadiqCricket) <a href="https://twitter.com/SajSadiqCricket/status/1492481981568983040?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 12, 2022</a></blockquote>
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You could throw fakhar in that group too and shadab

 

[Artaxerxes]

Pakistani players are not going to play in IPL so it is a waste of time discussing this.

 

[Rana]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">3 cricketers who in an ideal world would light up the Indian Premier League <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/IPLT20?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#IPLT20</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a> <a href="https://t.co/k3bcoPTp4F">pic.twitter.com/k3bcoPTp4F</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@SajSadiqCricket) <a href="https://twitter.com/SajSadiqCricket/status/1492481981568983040?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 12, 2022</a></blockquote>
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Only Shaheen out of these 3

Rauf, Fakhar and Asif Ali are bigger draws

 

[Local.Dada]

These speculations are pointless. It’s basic common sense that even before WT20 2021, over the years Pak have always had fine talent and some names on cricketing ability much better than some of the other overseas picks that get paid a lot of money.

It purely comes down to international and diplomatic relation. Once that gets better, even some players with lesser talent from Pakistan might get contracts.

 

[MenInG]

“Playing for your country is the proudest moment for any cricketer and so my priority is always my Pakistan. Playing all three formats for your country and then PSL is enough for me right now.”

Shaheen Shah Afridi when asked about intentions/desire to play in IPL

https://crictoday.com/cricket/news/shaheen-afridi-in-ipl-here-is-what-pakistans-speedster-said/

 

[U$ofA]

“Playing for your country is the proudest moment for any cricketer and so my priority is always my Pakistan. Playing all three formats for your country and then PSL is enough for me right now.”

Shaheen Shah Afridi when asked about intentions/desire to play in IPL

https://crictoday.com/cricket/news/shaheen-afridi-in-ipl-here-is-what-pakistans-speedster-said/

Good on Afridi to stand by his country and board. Very few have done that. Starc, Root, Stokes are the other big names that come to mind who rejected the IPL.

 

[hitthestump]

Good on Afridi to stand by his country and board. Very few have done that. Starc, Root, Stokes are the other big names that come to mind who rejected the IPL.

Pretty natural defence mechanism to act disdainful something you cannot have.

If BCCI reversed their stance on Pak players tomorrow we'd see everyone put their name into the hat from Shaheen Afridi to Shahid Afridi.

 

[MenInG]

What else can Afridi say?

 

[U$ofA]

Pretty natural defence mechanism to act disdainful something you cannot have.

If BCCI reversed their stance on Pak players tomorrow we'd see everyone put their name into the hat from Shaheen Afridi to Shahid Afridi.

Very true. Pretty much everyone will jump at an IPL opportunity.

I was wrong about Root. He was rejected by the IPL. Not the other way around. And Stokes, well the jury is out on him. He did play IPL, just not this season. Let's see what happens next season.

So that leaves just Starc. The only player to reject the IPL.

 

[Saj]

I've not watched much of the IPL this year but looking through the list of players it seems to me that the quality of overseas players has dipped.

Is that due to unavailability or the drop in quality around the world?

 

[cricketjoshila]

I've not watched much of the IPL this year but looking through the list of players it seems to me that the quality of overseas players has dipped.

Is that due to unavailability or the drop in quality around the world?

Starc and Stokes. Thats all.

Archer is injured. Smith Labuschagne were not picked.

So most of the players are there, ofcourse now they are divided into 10 teams not 8.

 

[Saj]

Starc and Stokes. Thats all.

Archer is injured. Smith Labuschagne were not picked.

So most of the players are there, ofcourse now they are divided into 10 teams not 8.

Overall the quality of overseas players is down as a whole. The likes of de Villiers etc are difficult to replace.

 

[Babeikh]

A number of our players would be a big draw in IPL but cannot see this happening any time soon

 

[cricketjoshila]

Overall the quality of overseas players is down as a whole. The likes of de Villiers etc are difficult to replace.

Are you implying that the overall international player quality has gone down around the world?

Because except the players i mentioned above, most top players play in the ipl.

 

[adzzy786]

It’s a blessing in disguise. Makes the World Cup games even more interesting . Plus players from both teams have hardly played each other so I think that’s sets it up nicely

 

[cricketjoshila]

A number of our players would be a big draw in IPL but cannot see this happening any time soon

Its going to be near impossible for any pakistani player to play in the IPL for may be more than a decade or may be ever.

The reason being, will IPL or franchises take the risk of a player they signed, supporting the pakistani view on Kashmir or supporting a terrorist and calling them freedom fighters? Thats too big a risk and there is little reward.

 

[Babeikh]

Its going to be near impossible for any pakistani player to play in the IPL for may be more than a decade or may be ever.

The reason being, will IPL or franchises take the risk of a player they signed, supporting the pakistani view on Kashmir or supporting a terrorist and calling them freedom fighters? Thats too big a risk and there is little reward.

Obviously the overwhelming majority of Pakistani cricketers will support the Pakistani position on Kashmir but that isn't the reason. Azhar Mahmood and others have played IPL. So has Moeen Ali who even wore 'Free Palestine' wristbands once. They aren't going to go to India and start making political statements.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Obviously the overwhelming majority of Pakistani cricketers will support the Pakistani position on Kashmir but that isn't the reason. Azhar Mahmood and others have played IPL. So has Moeen Ali who even wore 'Free Palestine' wristbands once. They aren't going to go to India and start making political statements.

Palestine and Kashmir are different issues. If Moeen started wearing free Kashmir wristbands, i doubt he will find himself playing in the IPL.

Azhar Mehmood played like a decade ago or so. Also he held a British passport.

 

[Saj]

Are you implying that the overall international player quality has gone down around the world?

Because except the players i mentioned above, most top players play in the ipl.

I think the overall quality of T20 players has gone downhill recently and that affects each league.

Even in the PSL the quality of overseas players in the last tournament wasn't that great.

The days of Gayle, de Villiers etc have gone.

 

[arif_2021]

Maybe it’s not that the quality of overseas players has gone down but the quality of domestic players has improved?

It’s all relative.

 

[cricketjoshila]

I think the overall quality of T20 players has gone downhill recently and that affects each league.

Even in the PSL the quality of overseas players in the last tournament wasn't that great.

The days of Gayle, de Villiers etc have gone.

Those are once in a generation players. Lets hope that the likes of Livingston can fill those shoes.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Maybe it’s not that the quality of overseas players has gone down but the quality of domestic players has improved?

It’s all relative.

In terms of bowling, certainly it has improved.

In terms of batting some new names like Tilak Verma have come up.

 

[gazza619]

Pakistan has its own circus, so no thank u

 

[Babeikh]

Palestine and Kashmir are different issues. If Moeen started wearing free Kashmir wristbands, i doubt he will find himself playing in the IPL.

Azhar Mehmood played like a decade ago or so. Also he held a British passport.

The point about Moieen was that he is not averse to making a public stand on issues that are important to him, as he did with Palestine.

In terms of your second point, exactly! It is nothing to do with fear of someone making a political statement on Kashmir, as Azhar Mahmood would be just as likely to as any Pakistani.

At the end of the day it is illogical and doesn't make sense - especially when you were playing us in bilateral series in 2012. It is your choice as it is your league and you get to choose who plays in it but don't try to pretend it is based on something that it isn't.

 

[cricketjoshila]

The point about Moieen was that he is not averse to making a public stand on issues that are important to him, as he did with Palestine.

In terms of your second point, exactly! It is nothing to do with fear of someone making a political statement on Kashmir, as Azhar Mahmood would be just as likely to as any Pakistani.

At the end of the day it is illogical and doesn't make sense - especially when you were playing us in bilateral series in 2012. It is your choice as it is your league and you get to choose who plays in it but don't try to pretend it is based on something that it isn't.

1. He knew his stand on palestine will not place his spot in English team in jeopardy, but supporting terrorists in Kashmir will mean permanent ban from India.

2. Azhar Mehmood holds a British passport, so the likes of him wont be banned unless they make a political statement on Kashmir.

3. Players from pakistan are more likely to make statements on Kashmir than players who don't live and earn in pakistan.

4. 2012, the government was heavily criticized for allowing the series. Media tore into them. They were voted out. Any brand won't like to attract negative publicity because of a player they hired. And that is more likely if the player is pakistani.

 

[Babeikh]

1. He knew his stand on palestine will not place his spot in English team in jeopardy, but supporting terrorists in Kashmir will mean permanent ban from India.

He actually got into a little bother for his Palestine wristband but your point doesn't really make sense. If a Pakistani player, say for example, Shaheen Afridi has a lucrative IPL contract, then the very same argument you are using here for Moeen would also apply to him. If he comes out in support of Kashmiri people while in India he would jeopardise that contract and the big pay day, so he wouldn't do it.

2. Azhar Mehmood holds a British passport, so the likes of him wont be banned unless they make a political statement on Kashmir.

Your point earlier was that Pakistani players are banned from IPL because teams don't want to risk them coming to India and making a statement about Kashmir. If that was the reason it would apply to anyone who might make a political statement on Kashmir, and Azhar Mahmood is no less likely to do so than Shaheen Afridi or Babar Azam.

3. Players from pakistan are more likely to make statements on Kashmir than players who don't live and earn in pakistan.

Someone like Azhar Mahmood has lived and earned in Pakistan for most of his life. Moeen has Kashmiri heritage. So these two are just as likely.

4. 2012, the government was heavily criticized for allowing the series. Media tore into them. They were voted out. Any brand won't like to attract negative publicity because of a player they hired. And that is more likely if the player is pakistani.

On the contrary the reaction was actually mixed and the series did not play a role in the election campaign.

You seem to be sticking to this point but you know full well it isn't true. Pakistani artists, singers, cricketers have gone to India before. They aren't going to go there and start chanting free Kashmir. That isn't the reason they aren't allowed in. It is political but you are being too specific with the political reasoning.

 

[Arabian_Khaleefa]

He actually got into a little bother for his Palestine wristband but your point doesn't really make sense. If a Pakistani player, say for example, Shaheen Afridi has a lucrative IPL contract, then the very same argument you are using here for Moeen would also apply to him. If he comes out in support of Kashmiri people while in India he would jeopardise that contract and the big pay day, so he wouldn't do it.



Your point earlier was that Pakistani players are banned from IPL because teams don't want to risk them coming to India and making a statement about Kashmir. If that was the reason it would apply to anyone who might make a political statement on Kashmir, and Azhar Mahmood is no less likely to do so than Shaheen Afridi or Babar Azam.



Someone like Azhar Mahmood has lived and earned in Pakistan for most of his life. Moeen has Kashmiri heritage. So these two are just as likely.




On the contrary the reaction was actually mixed and the series did not play a role in the election campaign.

You seem to be sticking to this point but you know full well it isn't true. Pakistani artists, singers, cricketers have gone to India before. They aren't going to go there and start chanting free Kashmir. That isn't the reason they aren't allowed in. It is political but you are being too specific with the political reasoning.

IPL wont allow any Pak player. BCCI doesnt want to get into any controversy. IPL is doing better without Pak players. Obsession for IPL will increase after the next media rights are sold.

 

[Babeikh]

IPL wont allow any Pak player. BCCI doesnt want to get into any controversy. IPL is doing better without Pak players. Obsession for IPL will increase after the next media rights are sold.

I haven't said IPL will allow Pakistani players. I don't think 'controversy' is anything to do with it, nor do I think BCCI has made this decision as much as it is a government decision. I also don't agree IPL is doing 'better without Pak players'. As for obsession increasing with next media rights, I have absolutely no idea when they are up and who is bidding for them and how much as I don't follow it.

 

[Arabian_Khaleefa]

I haven't said IPL will allow Pakistani players. I don't think 'controversy' is anything to do with it, nor do I think BCCI has made this decision as much as it is a government decision. I also don't agree IPL is doing 'better without Pak players'. As for obsession increasing with next media rights, I have absolutely no idea when they are up and who is bidding for them and how much as I don't follow it.

BCCI and IPL stakeholders agree that IPL is doing well without Pak players. Thats what matters.

 

[Babeikh]

BCCI and IPL stakeholders agree that IPL is doing well without Pak players. Thats what matters.

I am sure IPL is doing well. What I am disagreeing with is yoir point that it is doing 'better' without Pakistani players. In fact, i'd wager that Pakistani players would be a big draw if they were allowed to play

 

[cricketjoshila]

I am sure IPL is doing well. What I am disagreeing with is yoir point that it is doing 'better' without Pakistani players. In fact, i'd wager that Pakistani players would be a big draw if they were allowed to play

Big draw from where?

 

[Cricfan4eva]

I am sure IPL is doing well. What I am disagreeing with is yoir point that it is doing 'better' without Pakistani players. In fact, i'd wager that Pakistani players would be a big draw if they were allowed to play

After 2021 WC yes.

Likes of Rizwan, Babar, Shaheen, Hasan Ali have following in India. And the quality would definitely go a notch up. Saying otherwise is being ignorant on purpose.

However, it just seems futile to discuss the topic. Current government of the day uses Pak as bogey at the drop of the hat, so under them relations will never go back to the days of 2004-08. So BCCI will never consider including Pak players in IPL or bilaterals with Pak, because it will just end up being too much hassle if they're forced to cancel a series or withdraw players mid tournament.

 

[Babeikh]

Big draw from where?

The likes of Babar and Shaheen would get big contracts and would be in demand from multiple teams. As Cricfan4eva said, you can deny this if you wish but you aren't fooling anyone

 

[cricketjoshila]

The likes of Babar and Shaheen would get big contracts and would be in demand from multiple teams. As Cricfan4eva said, you can deny this if you wish but you aren't fooling anyone

They are good players and good players msy get signed. But lots of factors work before a player is signed. His image, his availability etc.

But among Indian audience pakistani players are no more a draw. And the pakistani market isn't very lucrative, as evidenced by the anaemic broadcast seals of PCB.

 

[cricketjoshila]

After 2021 WC yes.

Likes of Rizwan, Babar, Shaheen, Hasan Ali have following in India. And the quality would definitely go a notch up. Saying otherwise is being ignorant on purpose.

However, it just seems futile to discuss the topic. Current government of the day uses Pak as bogey at the drop of the hat, so under them relations will never go back to the days of 2004-08. So BCCI will never consider including Pak players in IPL or bilaterals with Pak, because it will just end up being too much hassle if they're forced to cancel a series or withdraw players mid tournament.

Oh! Where is this following? Because clearly it ain't visible. The following of players like Imran, 2Ws, Saqlain etc was clearly visible in India. Posters in small neighborhood clubs, people copying their action etc. Have you seen that with these players?

FYI, pakistani players were thrown out of the IPL under the congress.

Current govt uses? So pakistanis were not involved in 26/11? Or is pakistan not involved in trying to separate Kashmir from India?

 

[Babeikh]

They are good players and good players msy get signed. But lots of factors work before a player is signed. His image, his availability etc.

But among Indian audience pakistani players are no more a draw. And the pakistani market isn't very lucrative, as evidenced by the anaemic broadcast seals of PCB.

Like i said you aren't fooling anyone

 

[cricketjoshila]

Like i said you aren't fooling anyone

You need to look at the facts. Is PSL making lots of money? No. So pakistan isn't a big market.

So the risk of having 2-3 pakistani players at such high risk with little financial benefit doesn't make sense.

 

[Babeikh]

You need to look at the facts. Is PSL making lots of money? No. So pakistan isn't a big market.

So the risk of having 2-3 pakistani players at such high risk with little financial benefit doesn't make sense.

Straw man's arguments don't change that you are either deluded or wilfully mendacious

 

[cricketjoshila]

Straw man's arguments don't change that you are either deluded or wilfully mendacious

Truth is staring you in the face. Pakistani players don't play the IPL. They are not that important for the league.

 

[Babeikh]

Truth is staring you in the face. Pakistani players don't play the IPL. They are not that important for the league.

Another straw man's argument - everyone can see it

 

[cricketjoshila]

Another straw man's argument - everyone can see it

So stop assuming that they would be a big draw. They can't even draw big money for the PSL.

 

[Babeikh]

So stop assuming that they would be a big draw. They can't even draw big money for the PSL.

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[Arabian_Khaleefa]

You need to look at the facts. Is PSL making lots of money? No. So pakistan isn't a big market.

So the risk of having 2-3 pakistani players at such high risk with little financial benefit doesn't make sense.

Thats the point. IPL is doing better without taking high risk.

 

[Energy]

So stop assuming that they would be a big draw. They can't even draw big money for the PSL.

By that logic, Ishan Kishan is a bigger draw and a bigger keeper batsman than Rizwan?

I know you want to involve money in all your arguments, and make it look like its everything but there are others who will value cricketers for their skills and not always see under a financial microscope.

 

[cricketjoshila]

By that logic, Ishan Kishan is a bigger draw and a bigger keeper batsman than Rizwan?

I know you want to involve money in all your arguments, and make it look like its everything but there are others who will value cricketers for their skills and not always see under a financial microscope.

There are enough skilled cricketers in the IPL. Most top cricketers play the IPL, except pakistanis, so their skill isnt that big a miss. Among top players only Stoke and Starc were absent from this year's auction.

FYI De kock Pant Buttler Wade Bairstow all play the IPL as a wicketkeeper. So Rizwan is no big loss.

Since skills are not that big a loss the only reason to bring in Pakistani players, was revenue and they don't score big in that region either.

 

[Energy]

There are enough skilled cricketers in the IPL. Most top cricketers play the IPL, except pakistanis, so their skill isnt that big a miss. Among top players only Stoke and Starc were absent from this year's auction.

FYI De kock Pant Buttler Wade Bairstow all play the IPL as a wicketkeeper. So Rizwan is no big loss.

Since skills are not that big a loss the only reason to bring in Pakistani players, was revenue and they don't score big in that region either.

That is your opinion, and not a fact. The fact is that Babar and Rizwan are 1 & 3 in the world T20I ranking therefore they are the most skilled going around. And therefore a bigger draw cricketing wise than any other who is part of this league.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

So stop assuming that they would be a big draw. They can't even draw big money for the PSL.

Jaydev Unadkat is a top draw in IPL, isn't it?

 

[Mesozoic]

That is your opinion, and not a fact. The fact is that Babar and Rizwan are 1 & 3 in the world T20I ranking therefore they are the most skilled going around. And therefore a bigger draw cricketing wise than any other who is part of this league.

Aiden Markram is no.2 in those "rankings".

Dawid Malan is 4.

And all those " top 4" are nowhere near the likes of Butler and Warner, who aren't even in the top 15. Says everything about those rankings.

 

[Energy]

Aiden Markram is no.2 in those "rankings".

Dawid Malan is 4.

And all those " top 4" are nowhere near the likes of Butler and Warner, who aren't even in the top 15. Says everything about those rankings.

They are not in the top 15 because they have been poor in international games. Sorry mickey leagues don't count toward world rankings.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Aiden Markram is no.2 in those "rankings".

Dawid Malan is 4.

And all those " top 4" are nowhere near the likes of Butler and Warner, who aren't even in the top 15. Says everything about those rankings.

You used to say the same about Babar and Rizwan also. Didn't they prove you wrong in an International WC match against India? You come up with really absurd statements here but never learn your lessons.

 

[Mesozoic]

They are not in the top 15 because they have been poor in international games. Sorry mickey leagues don't count toward world rankings.

Lol. They are not in the top 15 because they rarely play useless bilateral t20 series' while others statpad even in dead rubbers against Bangladesh and Zimbabwe.

I guess you probably believe Hazratullah zazai is better than Warner.

 

[Mesozoic]

You used to say the same about Babar and Rizwan also. Didn't they prove you wrong in an International WC match against India? You come up with really absurd statements here but never learn your lessons.

"Prove you wrong". Lol.


So you think Babar Azam and Mo Rizwan are better T20 batsmen than Warner and Butler? Your own countrymen would laugh at you if you say yes.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

"Prove you wrong". Lol.


So you think Babar Azam and Mo Rizwan are better T20 batsmen than Warner and Butler? Your own countrymen would laugh at you if you say yes.

Hold on. Where did I say they are better than Warner and Butler? You were making fun of ICC rankings here and I reminded you about your statement regarding Babar and Rizwan. Did they not prove you wrong? Thing is IPL performances mean jack in International cricket. I thought you would have learned your lessons after making other comical statements regarding IPL teams beating all asian teams.

 

[Mesozoic]

Hold on. Where did I say they are better than Warner and Butler? You were making fun of ICC rankings here and I reminded you about your statement regarding Babar and Rizwan. Did they not prove you wrong? Thing is IPL performances mean jack in International cricket. I thought you would have learned your lessons after making other comical statements regarding IPL teams beating all asian teams.

Of course I am making fun of those "rankings" lol. I mean it's not anyone's fault that most top players skip the bilateral t20is to keep themselves fresh for more important things. But people tually believe that these rankings paint the true picture?

And no Babar and Rizwan did not prove me wrong. For that, they have to prove that they're actually the best and the 3rd best t20 batters in the world which they clearly are not. So I'm still right. Your turn.

 

[cricketjoshila]

That is your opinion, and not a fact. The fact is that Babar and Rizwan are 1 & 3 in the world T20I ranking therefore they are the most skilled going around. And therefore a bigger draw cricketing wise than any other who is part of this league.

They are not a draw in India. Lol. If they were such a big draw PSL would be making millions of dollars on the back of 100s of millions in viewership.

Regarding T20I rankings, most teams dont even play all their regulars in T20Is like Pakistan does. Just look at the Indian squad for the series versus SA.

 

[cricketjoshila]

"Prove you wrong". Lol.


So you think Babar Azam and Mo Rizwan are better T20 batsmen than Warner and Butler? Your own countrymen would laugh at you if you say yes.

I don't know why this need to shove that Pakistanis will be huge hit in India. Anyone living here knows that current players are no big hits with the fans in India and they are not at the level of pakistani superstars like Imran 2Ws, Saqlain, Miandad or even Akhtar.

 

[Energy]

They are not a draw in India. Lol. If they were such a big draw PSL would be making millions of dollars on the back of 100s of millions in viewership.

Regarding T20I rankings, most teams dont even play all their regulars in T20Is like Pakistan does. Just look at the Indian squad for the series versus SA.

Again. Get your head out of the monies because you're making it sound like finance takes superiority over sport when it comes to Indian cricket. Babar and Rizwan aren't earning millions, but so what, lol? They're still better cricketers, and best in the world than some of the clowns who are earning the millions in India. That is a fact.

 

[offstump]

IPL final was a snooze fest. Viewership is down, the tournament needs more spice.

 

[Arabian_Khaleefa]

Again. Get your head out of the monies because you're making it sound like finance takes superiority over sport when it comes to Indian cricket. Babar and Rizwan aren't earning millions, but so what, lol? They're still better cricketers, and best in the world than some of the clowns who are earning the millions in India. That is a fact.

Best in the world by playing against ZIM, BD too whereas other teams always use T20S to test their bench strength even against strong teams.

 

[Energy]

Best in the world by playing against ZIM, BD too whereas other teams always use T20S to test their bench strength even against strong teams.

Salt level is high here. Don't worry Babar is still the best current T20I batsman going around.

 

[AMSS]

I don't get this about lack of Pakistan players diluting the quality of IPL. Forget about the marketability which would take a hit given the state of relations.

Many high quality batsmen miss out on IPL even when available. Joe Root is one. Plenty of quality talent like him fail to make the grade at auctions. It doesn't make IPL any less compelling because there's only so many spots to take.

So why would Babar etc not being present at IPL dilute the level of cricket?