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If someone clearly remembers I made this point. Pakistan scored 260 odd and people are thinking they can defend it. If this was in UAE,SRI,WI yes but not in England, NZ ,SA,AUS. If Pak loses this match there batting is to blame. This wicket was a 300-330 pitch. You can not expect NZ to get out on these wickets to 260. It would be criminal to blame the bowling as I am sure our experts will do. People need to realize that PAK BOWLING CAN NOT DEFEND TARGETS OF 260-270 ON OVERSEAS WICKETS AGAINST AUS,ENG,NZ, SA.

Therefore we should get it on our head that our bowling is invincible.
 
I think most ppl here understand that 260 is usually not enough.
 
Sure the total is substandard but we do expect the bowling attack to show some quality and to pick up 5-6 wickets atleast. Even 350 would not be enough for this attack.
 
It's purely the batsmens fault. Bowlers have bowled decently throughout the tour
 
Savak said:
Rubbish. Vast contrast b/w the NZ and Pakistani bowling attack.
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Well Kiwi bowlers arent bowling to williamson guptill munro taylor.

Also its not so simply as to say we expect them to pick 5 -6 wickets while defending 260. Dont undermine the factor of scoreboard pressure which doesnt exist when bowlers have to defend just 260.
 
While I dont agree with this for rest of the games, agreed with this one. Even after bizarre shuffling of bowlers and inability to understand the ending time of spin phase leading to phainta from homme, they did reasonably well to defend such a small total.
 
Its Pakistan bolwing line up's bluff which is being called here.

Many of you would have noticed that when people attack this bowling line up, they lose the plot.

Its only when people are defending or circumspect that this bowling troubles them.
 
We were told that if our batsmen can score anything in excess of 250, our 'best bowling attack in the world' will do the rest.
 
Madplayer said:
Its Pakistan bolwing line up's bluff which is being called here.

Many of you would have noticed that when people attack this bowling line up, they lose the plot.

Its only when people are defending or circumspect that this bowling troubles them.
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Had absolutely no answer to Colin. This is where your character is tested when the opposition puts pressure on you.
 
Our think tank needs to understand that in order to build a prolific LOI team we need to construct a power packed batting line up that compliments the bowling attack. Aussies couldn't defend 300 at the MCG with their first choice attack!

Reality is, your batsmen need to put up 280+ consistently on good batting wickets to give yourself a chance to win. 260 is not going to trouble teams with good to great batting line ups. Yes at one point it looked like we will win the match but all it took is one counter attack and the match was over because the game was still winnable.

So the onus is on our batting. We lost 4-1 to Eng in Eng, 4-1 to Aussies in Aus, could be 5-0 to Kiwis and most of the blame is down to our batting failing to produce. Yes bowlers need to continue improve but most of our losses are due to batting. Even in CT it was the bowlers who took us to the final, the batting finally delivered in the final and it was an easy win. The more our batting delivers, the better our results will be in overseas conditions and the more competitive we will become.

So the aim should be to construct a line up capable of scoring 280+ most of the times in conditions other then UAE/Asia. 280 is the new 250 in this era.
 
Savak said:
Had absolutely no answer to Colin. This is where your character is tested when the opposition puts pressure on you.
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Pandya, munro, guptill, grandhomme

These 4 players' assault on this bowling line up should tell you that they are pretty much clueless when ab decent hitter goes all out on attack on them.

This is why scoreboard pressure is so important. One such freakish innings and the bowlers will forget how to take wickets. Thats why The inept batsmen should provide some cusion by posting decent totals close to 300.
 
The way Grandhomme was batting even 350 would not be enough if he came earlier.
 
Whether with bat or ball, Pakistan struggles when under attack. They need to find a way to counter the likes of De Grandhomme. Their usual response is to fall to pieces, presumably because they never planned for such an eventuality before the game.
 
boomboom6 said:
Our think tank needs to understand that in order to build a prolific LOI team we need to construct a power packed batting line up that compliments the bowling attack. Aussies couldn't defend 300 at the MCG with their first choice attack!

Reality is, your batsmen need to put up 280+ consistently on good batting wickets to give yourself a chance to win. 260 is not going to trouble teams with good to great batting line ups. Yes at one point it looked like we will win the match but all it took is one counter attack and the match was over because the game was still winnable.

So the onus is on our batting. We lost 4-1 to Eng in Eng, 4-1 to Aussies in Aus, could be 5-0 to Kiwis and most of the blame is down to our batting failing to produce. Yes bowlers need to continue improve but most of our losses are due to batting. Even in CT it was the bowlers who took us to the final, the batting finally delivered in the final and it was an easy win. The more our batting delivers, the better our results will be in overseas conditions and the more competitive we will become.

So the aim should be to construct a line up capable of scoring 280+ most of the times in conditions other then UAE/Asia. 280 is the new 250 in this era.
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We have far too many accumulators in the ODI team. Sharjeel was a huge loss. You have to question whether there is any room for the following in the modern ODI game i.e.

Babar Azam
Hafeez
Malik
Sarfaraz

In the current National T-20, there were so many aggressive hard hitting batsmen batting at extremely high strike rates. You need hard hitting openers, a solid Test match type no 3 with the ability to accelerate at the end, hard hitting players in the middle order and hard hitting death batsmen and finishers.

All Pakistan has is Fakher Zaman opening the innings and Faheem Ashraf but too many consolidators in the middle order and death. The ODI batting order, team selection needs a massive overhaul and we need proper wicket taking bowlers, not Ruman Raees type bowlers.
 
Shafi said:
The way Grandhomme was batting even 350 would not be enough if he came earlier.
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the way he was batting just shows how good the track was for batting. and we allow part timer Williampson to bowl 10 overs for only 32 runs on the same pitch also gifting two wickets. Pakistan's batting strategy is same as 90s save wickets and wait for last 10 overs to play your shots.
 
Savak said:
We have far too many accumulators in the ODI team. Sharjeel was a huge loss. You have to question whether there is any room for the following in the modern ODI game i.e.

Babar Azam
Hafeez
Malik
Sarfaraz

In the current National T-20, there were so many aggressive hard hitting batsmen batting at extremely high strike rates. You need hard hitting openers, a solid Test match type no 3 with the ability to accelerate at the end, hard hitting players in the middle order and hard hitting death batsmen and finishers.

All Pakistan has is Fakher Zaman opening the innings and Faheem Ashraf but too many consolidators in the middle order and death. The ODI batting order, team selection needs a massive overhaul and we need proper wicket taking bowlers, not Ruman Raees type bowlers.
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Sarfaraz has a place as captain and super rotator of strike. His record in the top 5 speaks for itself. He should bat at 5.

Babar scored 2 70+ scores last time in NZ in ODIs, he just hasn't had good fortune in this series. He is fine, only 23 and plenty of room to grow. The problem is Azhar, Hafeez and Malik.

Yes losing Sharjeel was a massive blow. If we had him right now, he would solve a multitude of issue for us. His presence in the line up would allow Babar & Haris to come in to good situations most of the time as Fakhar would be there as well to continue the momentum. Really despise Sethi and PCB for their unprofessional dealing in alleged spot fixing case. I am still hoping Sharjeel can get the ban reversed soon. Having him back will lift this batting line up tenfold!

As for bowling, time has come to put a little heat on Amir. He has been poor this series, thoroughly outbowled by Hasan & Rumman! Definitely time to look for replacements. His job is to take wickets upfront not to conserve the runs and he has not done that for the most part CT final being the exception.

We need consistent strike bowlers upfront.
 
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Since probably 2014, we are living in a peak batting era of cricket where 300 has become a par score in ODIs, hence, a score like 250-260 is equal to 200 of 2000s era, so if we want to start winning some matches, then 300 should be minimum for a close contest.

Although, only against the current Pakistan batting, other top teams can easily defend something around 250. :P
 
The reason this myth that our bowling can defend substandard totals is probably so our under performing seniors and other useless batters can retain their spots in the side.
 
Our bowling is also not upto the mark. Fast bowling is declining day by day. No seam movement, no swing.
 
Hasan Ali did'nt bowl well today, even 300 target would not have been safe with the way Amir and Hasan bowled. Other bowlers n their limited capacity did what they can but when your main strike bowlers not working then not much can be done.

They need to drop Amir, Shoaib Malik, Hafeez and Azam. I have a feeling Pakistan can't win with these people in the team. These 4 have been carried around due to them being seniors by our youngsters and now the youngsters performances are getting affected. Not a good sign.

Its best Pakistan does'nt play the next ODI and spare themselves the humiliation. They need to come up with new combination for the T20s, the ODIs and these seniors are breaking their confidence
 
The only mistake Pakistan made in the second innings was taking Kane's wicket.
 
Most top batting sides would be getting 300 in these conditions, sadly our batting struggles to make 300 anywhere! Indeed our bowlers cant always bail us out.
 
Savak said:
We have far too many accumulators in the ODI team. Sharjeel was a huge loss. You have to question whether there is any room for the following in the modern ODI game i.e.

Babar Azam
Hafeez
Malik
Sarfaraz

In the current National T-20, there were so many aggressive hard hitting batsmen batting at extremely high strike rates. You need hard hitting openers, a solid Test match type no 3 with the ability to accelerate at the end, hard hitting players in the middle order and hard hitting death batsmen and finishers.

All Pakistan has is Fakher Zaman opening the innings and Faheem Ashraf but too many consolidators in the middle order and death. The ODI batting order, team selection needs a massive overhaul and we need proper wicket taking bowlers, not Ruman Raees type bowlers.
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Babar Azam can be coached and he has time on in his side. Can't say the same for Sarfaraz. He needs to loose some weight for starters. Hafeez made an 81 so he still needs to stick around and might provide some value to the youngsters.. Also it's not like there is a suitable replacement for him waiting in the bench.
 
Hasan Ali had poor body language today, he paired up with Amir for the opening spell which looks like was forced onto him by the management and his bowling was affected. For a non-performer like Amir team management should not spoil their main strike bowler Hasan Ali. It was seen in the opening spell Hasan was battered for runs whereas Amir bowled cross seam to neither take wicket nor give runs to show his 'amazing' econ. rate which might help Pakistan in rankings. Tema mamanagement again failed they could not get a wicket with the new bowl as Amir is still unwilling to bowl full and try to trap batsman. If Arthur and Sarfaraz are going to grind the performing youngsters for their pathetic seniors then the 5 [Shadab, Fahim, Hassan, Rumman, Fakhar] who are carrying this team would also get worse and lose confidence.
 
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Pak bowling out of form. Batting always is/was mediocre.
This is the same bowling that was shutting down opponents for under 200 on the flattest of the pitches in CT.

Amir is not providing initial breakthroughs. Hasan Ali has lost some of his magic. He is getting carted around. The biggest of all, Pak spinners are rendered useless on Kiwi tracks.

If the same match was played in UAE, results would be very different.
 
The big thing is Pakistan did not bat with enough intent.

It's not a lack of capability. Everyone saw what happened when Hafeez and Sarfaraz finally started hitting. Hafeez especially was lethal. But only in last couple of overs.
 
CricketAnalyst said:
The big thing is Pakistan did not bat with enough intent.

It's not a lack of capability. Everyone saw what happened when Hafeez and Sarfaraz finally started hitting. Hafeez especially was lethal. But only in last couple of overs.
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Pakistan never bat with any intent or tempo. they simply dont know how to pace an inns accross 50 overs.
 
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