Pakistan, Sri Lanka or Bangladesh - Which team will break its World Cup jinx first?

[Bleedgreen4ever]

Asian teams have a strange record against each other in WC cricket.

India have always beaten Pakistan (7 times)
Pakistan have always beaten SL (8 times- a WC record I think no sure?)
SL have always beaten BD (Although just 3 times but who knows how long this streak can go)


According to you, which team will beat their rivals first and join India/AUS etc as another team who have beaten all test playing nations in WC?


Let's discuss!

 

[Dios]

Lol the Bangladesh one is hardly a jinx. If Bangladesh and Sri Lanka had played each other in the last two World Cups, Bangladesh would have been the favourites.

 

[HappyWarsFan]

Lol the Bangladesh one is hardly a jinx. If Bangladesh and Sri Lanka had played each other in the last two World Cups, Bangladesh would have been the favourites.

Actually Bangladesh lost to Sri Lanka in the 2015 world cup, so they did face them in the last 2 world cups.

Also for 2019 Sri Lanka would be favourites. Malinga would have given Bangladesh a lot of trouble.

 

[Slim]

Actually Bangladesh lost to Sri Lanka in the 2015 world cup, so they did face them in the last 2 world cups.

Also for 2019 Sri Lanka would be favourites. Malinga would have given Bangladesh a lot of trouble.

Dios in shambles.

 

[Mueez]

Pakistan, iA!

 

[Bleedgreen4ever]

Lol the Bangladesh one is hardly a jinx. If Bangladesh and Sri Lanka had played each other in the last two World Cups, Bangladesh would have been the favourites.

SL beat ENG the eventual champions, BD would not be favorites by any margin

 

[Rajdeep]

Actually India is 12-0 against Pakistan in World Cups.

7 in 50 over WC and 5 in T20 WC.

1992 - Sydeny
1996 - Bangalore
1999 - Manchester
2003 - Centurion
2007 - Durban
2007 - Johannesburg
2011 - Mohali
2012 - Colombo
2014 - Dhaka
2015 - Adelaide
2016 - Kolkata
2019 - Manchester

#12-0

 

[Swashbuckler]

If Kohli continues as captain our streak will be shattered to pieces, Pak should have won the 2019 match but Sarfaraz turned out to be a bigger headcase at the toss. All Pak had to do was set a 240 target and our top 3 would have soiled its pants.

 

[Ab Fan]

Never knew, Pakistan have never lost a WC match to Sri Lanka, impressive record. Has Pakistan not played SL during 1996, 2003,2007 and 2011 WC?

 

[MMHS]

I think, in a Mexican Stand off, BD has the best chance and PAK worst.

We have already won against PAK & India (& AFGs) - SRL should be the easiest if there is any odd set here.

Next is SRL - have won against IND (& BD) already, so their odd is second.

PAK have to beat IND, which they filed to do seven times and at least in three of those PAK had a better squad. That should be the toughest odd, but it’s just a matter of one game for each - any one can do it first.

 

[Slog]

Never knew, Pakistan have never lost a WC match to Sri Lanka, impressive record. Has Pakistan not played SL during 1996, 2003,2007 and 2011 WC?

2011 we beat them in group stages. 2019 rained off

 

[HappyWarsFan]

Never knew, Pakistan have never lost a WC match to Sri Lanka, impressive record. Has Pakistan not played SL during 1996, 2003,2007 and 2011 WC?

We best them in WC 11 groups.

 

[MMHS]

Never knew, Pakistan have never lost a WC match to Sri Lanka, impressive record. Has Pakistan not played SL during 1996, 2003,2007 and 2011 WC?

PAK didn’t face SRL much during their peak years - most of the wins have come in 1970s & 80s (I believe 1992 was the last meeting before 2011). Since then, 1996, 2007, 2015 SRL would have been favourites while 1999, 2019, PAK should have been favourites; 2003 is 50-50.

 

[Slog]

Actually India is 12-0 against Pakistan in World Cups.

7 in 50 over WC and 5 in T20 WC.

1992 - Sydeny
1996 - Bangalore
1999 - Manchester
2003 - Centurion
2007 - Durban
2007 - Johannesburg
2011 - Mohali
2012 - Colombo
2014 - Dhaka
2015 - Adelaide
2016 - Kolkata
2019 - Manchester

#12-0

T20 is not a world cup wth.

Why not include CT too then lol if marzi chal rahi hai

 

[Rajdeep]

T20 is not a world cup wth.

Why not include CT too then lol if marzi chal rahi hai

Not really. T20 WC is a world cup in T20 format, like ODI WC is a world cup in 50 over game. You may argue that bcoz of the nature of the game, T20 world cups are considered least important. But technically it is still a world cup for that format none the less.

Champions Trophy was an ICC tournament but it was never a world cup.

 

[BoomBoomCricket]

Pak 7-0 vs SL. But only one game after 1992 so needs to be put in context.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

Has to be either Sri Lanka or Bangladesh. Watch the Sri Lankan spinners strangle Pakistan on a good spinning pitch in India 2023.

 

[Mueez]

Has to be either Sri Lanka or Bangladesh. Watch the Sri Lankan spinners strangle Pakistan on a good spinning pitch in India 2023.

I see what you are doing there

 

[ChTab]

Actually India is 12-0 against Pakistan in World Cups.

7 in 50 over WC and 5 in T20 WC.

1992 - Sydeny
1996 - Bangalore
1999 - Manchester
2003 - Centurion
2007 - Durban
2007 - Johannesburg
2011 - Mohali
2012 - Colombo
2014 - Dhaka
2015 - Adelaide
2016 - Kolkata
2019 - Manchester

#12-0

The match in 2007 group stage was ended as a tie.

 

[sweep_shot]

Bangladesh has the easiest task here. They just have to beat SL (which they have done a few times in recent times).

 

[Thunderbolt14]

Bangladesh has the easiest task here. They just have to beat SL (which they have done a few times in recent times).

Sri Lanka is going to become a lot better in the next few years. They have some real promising talents. By 2023 they’ll be in their prime under Mickey.

I’m serious.

 

[sweep_shot]

Sri Lanka is going to become a lot better in the next few years. They have some real promising talents. By 2023 they’ll be in their prime under Mickey.

I’m serious.

Let's see.

SL generally does poorly when they play in India. 2023 WC is in India.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

Let's see.

SL generally does poorly when they play in India. 2023 WC is in India.

I would really like to see Bangladesh breed in its U19 talent quickly. Bangladesh has a chance to make semis in 2023.

 

[HappyWarsFan]

Sri Lanka is going to become a lot better in the next few years. They have some real promising talents. By 2023 they’ll be in their prime under Mickey.

I’m serious.

Mickey will have been sacked by then. Do you know Sri Lanka and how they sack coaches for fun?

 

[Swashbuckler]

SL and Pak didn't face each other between 1992 and 2011 WC. What are the odds?

 

[Mesozoic]

The match in 2007 group stage was ended as a tie.

And we won the tie breaker (bowl out)...

 

[Mesozoic]

I think for now Bangladesh has the best chance. I genuinely think that by 2023 , they'll get on par with Pakistan (if not better) and would start as favourites against most teams.

 

[Slog]

I think for now Bangladesh has the best chance. I genuinely think that by 2023 , they'll get on par with Pakistan (if not better) and would start as favourites against most teams.

what are you basing this on lol?

pak was an icc tournament 3 years ago and in 2019 didnt reach semi due to a rained off game. regardless of final position, after the inital performances, the quality of performances picked up and were far ahead of bangladesh.

so curious why you think so? or is it just a wish?

mind you U19 WC wins isnt really translating to performances by senior side.

 

[Mesozoic]

what are you basing this on lol?

pak was an icc tournament 3 years ago and in 2019 didnt reach semi due to a rained off game. regardless of final position, after the inital performances, the quality of performances picked up and were far ahead of bangladesh.

so curious why you think so? or is it just a wish?

mind you U19 WC wins isnt really translating to performances by senior side.

No doubt Pak are better at the moment. That's why I said "By 2023". Bangladesh are a much better unit when they play in Asian conditions as evident by their recent performances at the Asia cup.. world cup '23 is in India.. now you join the dots.

Their recent u19 win also shows a change of mentality in their young cricketers and might just have got the monkey off their back. I expect Ban cricket to only go up from now on.

 

[Slim]

I think for now Bangladesh has the best chance. I genuinely think that by 2023 , they'll get on par with Pakistan (if not better) and would start as favourites against most teams.

Speaking from your backside as usual. Its your team who you should worry about. We have upcoming and young talent in Shaheen, Naseem coming up the ranks. What have you guys got?

 

[Thunderbolt14]

Speaking from your backside as usual. Its your team who you should worry about. We have upcoming and young talent in Shaheen, Naseem coming up the ranks. What have you guys got?

Oh come on. Pakistan undoubtedly has the better upcoming talent but he’s not wrong to say Bangladesh has some exciting prospects. Rakibul Hasan, Akbar Ali, Parvez Hossain, Shoriful, Shahadat, Mahmudul Hasan, Towhid, all these kids looked great in every match of the U19 WC except the one against Pakistan.

 

[Mesozoic]

We have upcoming and young talent in Shaheen, Naseem coming up the ranks. What have you guys got?

Please look at what happened to your "upcoming and going talents" when they played ours at the last two u19 WC SF. You'll surely get an idea what we got.

https://www.cricbuzz.com/live-crick...ague-semi-final-2-icc-under-19-world-cup-2018

https://www.cricbuzz.com/live-crick...ague-semi-final-1-icc-under-19-world-cup-2020

 

[Thunderbolt14]

Please look at what happened to your "upcoming and going talents" when they played ours at the last two u19 WC SF. You'll surely get an idea what we got.

https://www.cricbuzz.com/live-crick...ague-semi-final-2-icc-under-19-world-cup-2018

https://www.cricbuzz.com/live-crick...ague-semi-final-1-icc-under-19-world-cup-2020

It’s a moot point. Shaheen is the only current prospect that played in those matches. Instead of having to face Naseem Shah, Indian batsmen got an injured trundler in Amir Khan and a spray gun Tahir Hussain.

U19 performances are great but they aren’t fully representative. Gill and Shaw are genuine talents no doubt, and so is Jaiswal, but pointing at who won the match won’t tell us anything. Point at their performances please, and their individual contributions, techniques, and consistency. By this logic Pakistanis can point at 2004 and 2006 but look where Rohit Sharma is today and where Nasir Jamshed, Khalid Latif, and Anwar Ali are.

Lastly, by you guys, he meant Bangladesh. I think it’s universally accepted that India have the better U19 talent (but Pakistan isn’t as bad as made out to be).

 

[Mesozoic]

It’s a moot point. Shaheen is the only current prospect that played in those matches. Instead of having to face Naseem Shah, Indian batsmen got an injured trundler in Amir Khan and a spray gun Tahir Hussain.

A weakened Indian lineup faced Naseem Shah in the u19 Asia cup last year and dealt with him quite well. Here's the scorecard.

https://www.cricbuzz.com/live-cricket-scorecard/23278/indu19-vs-paku19-group-a-acc-u19-asia-cup-2019

Yes he picked up 3 wickets but all were at the death with batsman trying to hoick it over. That Indian lineup didn't even have Jaiswal and Saxena.

Lastly, by you guys, he meant Bangladesh. I think it’s universally accepted that India have the better U19 talent (but Pakistan isn’t as bad as made out to be).

No I know what he meant. What do you think "You need to worry about your team" means? He knows I'm Indian.

 

[nextover666666]

I have a funny feeling it might even be Sri Lanka to do it Pakistan

Also thread is about the ODI World Cup k believe

This edition of the t20 would be considered a World Cup since its ICC t20 World Cup

Prior to that it was know ICC world t20 so it wasn't a World Cup but a championship rather

 

[Bleedgreen4ever]

Please look at what happened to your "upcoming and going talents" when they played ours at the last two u19 WC SF. You'll surely get an idea what we got.

https://www.cricbuzz.com/live-crick...ague-semi-final-2-icc-under-19-world-cup-2018

https://www.cricbuzz.com/live-crick...ague-semi-final-1-icc-under-19-world-cup-2020

That doesn't mean anything.
In 2006,the likes of Rohit Sharma and Jadeja got thrashed by a Pak side consisting of Anwar Ali and Nasir Jamshed.
We all know who is more successful now

 

[Bleedgreen4ever]

Babar
Haider?
Shaheen
Naseem


Exciting going cricketers that can play a huge role in uplifting Pakistan cricket.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

I think for now Bangladesh has the best chance. I genuinely think that by 2023 , they'll get on par with Pakistan (if not better) and would start as favourites against most teams.

And you are basing your assumption on what? Pakistan not getting better? Its foolish for any logical cricket watcher to think that especially when Pakistan has talents like Shaheen, Babar, Naseem, Hasnain, Shadab, Imam who will undoubtedly be a major part of the side in 3 years.

Although the future looks bright for Bangladesh everyone knows that it usually takes a significant amount of time for even the best U-19 talents to establish themselves in international cricket. From the 2017 U-19 World Cup class only Shaheen has established himself in his national side. Whereas guys like; Shaw, Gill, Banton, Finn Allen, Rachin Ravindra, Qais, Nagarkoti, Afif, who might all be great players for their country one day, are still struggling to get in

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Speaking from your backside as usual. Its your team who you should worry about. We have upcoming and young talent in Shaheen, Naseem coming up the ranks. What have you guys got?

India has a lot of talent. But by the time they will break into the side they will be 25 with the most crucial developmental years of their career behind them. India takes a chance on a Tendulkar, Ganguly, Kohli or Shaw very rarely whereas no team believes in baptism by fire more than Pakistan, throwing a young bowler into the bullring so he can learn by doing, against the very best

 

[Mesozoic]

That doesn't mean anything.
In 2006,the likes of Rohit Sharma and Jadeja got thrashed by a Pak side consisting of Anwar Ali and Nasir Jamshed.
We all know who is more successful now

That wasn't my point though. Please read the post I replied to for context.

 

[Mesozoic]

And you are basing your assumption on what? Pakistan not getting better? Its foolish for any logical cricket watcher to think that especially when Pakistan has talents like Shaheen, Babar, Naseem, Hasnain, Shadab, Imam who will undoubtedly be a major part of the side in 3 years.

Bangladesh has better young talent coming through the ranks than Pakistan as evident by their performances at the recent youth (u19) Asia cup and the world cup. If they get their chances at the national team in place of the aging seniors like Tamim, Mortaza, Riyadh etc , they'll have a pretty good side for Asian conditions. And the next world cup is in India. Of course Pak too has some good youngsters (esp fast bowlers) coming up but that doesn't change anything I've written above.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

Bangladesh has better young talent coming through the ranks than Pakistan as evident by their performances at the recent youth (u19) Asia cup and the world cup. If they get their chances at the national team in place of the aging seniors like Tamim, Mortaza, Riyadh etc , they'll have a pretty good side for Asian conditions. And the next world cup is in India. Of course Pak too has some good youngsters (esp fast bowlers) coming up but that doesn't change anything I've written above.

Good talent coming up through yes, but better? Pakistan demolished the side in the U19 WC as well as in the Emerging Asia Cup final (in which Soumya Sarkar was playing against 23 year olds...)

 

[MMHS]

I think, in the context of this thread, don’t know what’s the argument.

BD needs to beat SRL, SRL needs to beat PAK and PAK needs to beat India ..... in 2023’s context - BD needs to beat SRL on very similar wickets/conditions of home, SRL needs to beat PAK on conditions that will suit them more than PAK ... and PAK needs to beat India, in India - something they failed in four continents in seven attempts with much better squads in past.

If I were to set odds for 2023 (provided everyone qualifies for WC, IND is already there) BD will be less than 1:1 (favourites to do so), SRL probably 1:1 or slightly higher (2:3 may be, means holds good chances but not favourites to do it); and PAK - don’t know, may be 1:50.

That doesn’t mean it’s forgone conclusion - it’s one game each where BD & SRL can be blown away in their respective games and PAK can surprise everyone.

 

[Titan24]

A weakened Indian lineup faced Naseem Shah in the u19 Asia cup last year and dealt with him quite well. Here's the scorecard.

https://www.cricbuzz.com/live-cricket-scorecard/23278/indu19-vs-paku19-group-a-acc-u19-asia-cup-2019

Yes he picked up 3 wickets but all were at the death with batsman trying to hoick it over. That Indian lineup didn't even have Jaiswal and Saxena.

Naseem Shah has grown as a bowler since then with a season of FC cricket and now with entry in test arena. Not to forget he was struggling with back injury as well in 2019.

Irrespective of that U19 cricket isnt the best judge how players will grow in future, it represents good raw talent which can be nourished.

 

[Mesozoic]

Good talent coming up through yes, but better? Pakistan demolished the side in the U19 WC as well as in the Emerging Asia Cup final (in which Soumya Sarkar was playing against 23 year olds...)

As an Indian, I saw our team play both Pak and Ban at u19 level in the recent times. On one hand, no one in the Pak side seemed good enough to even challenge our youngsters (exception of Haider Ali) and on the other hand, Ban handed us a defeat in the WC final.

I may be right/wrong about this and I may as well get proven wrong in the future but my assertions surely hold some weight as of now.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

As an Indian, I saw our team play both Pak and Ban at u19 level in the recent times. On one hand, no one in the Pak side seemed good enough to even challenge our youngsters (exception of Haider Ali) and on the other hand, Ban handed us a defeat in the WC final.

I may be right/wrong about this and I may as well get proven wrong in the future but my assertions surely hold some weight as of now.

It’s a rock paper scissors argument look up the scorecard for the Pakistan Bangladesh game that got washed out after Bangladesh completed its innings. The reality is that there is no huge difference in the talent between the teams. The team that is better on the day performed better. Pakistan lost to India more due to pressure than a quality difference. This is all I am saying

No point making huge statements about Bangladesh being far and away ahead. Cricket is not transitive.

 

[Mesozoic]

No point making huge statements about Bangladesh being far and away ahead. Cricket is not transitive.

I never said that. I just said they'll be "on par" with Pakistan cometh the 2023 WC. Don't know how you interpreted that.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Bangladesh has better young talent coming through the ranks than Pakistan as evident by their performances at the recent youth (u19) Asia cup and the world cup. If they get their chances at the national team in place of the aging seniors like Tamim, Mortaza, Riyadh etc , they'll have a pretty good side for Asian conditions. And the next world cup is in India. Of course Pak too has some good youngsters (esp fast bowlers) coming up but that doesn't change anything I've written above.

Young U-19 talent takes years to make it on the international stage. Even a player like Kohli (who won the U-19 WC for India in 2008) took 3-4 years to make it on the international stage. Same with Williamson who led NZ at 2008 WC. Babar Azam led Pakistan in the 2012 U-19 WC and didn't establish himself in the national team till 2016. Only Shaheen got into and established himself in the national team for all formats within a year. Whereas Nagarkoti, Mavi, Gill, Shaw, India's WC winning stars from 2017 are still struggling to break into the Indian side for different reasons.

Barring some of the fast-bowlers its hard to imagine that most of Bangladesh's WC winning stars will come into the national team and immediately make a splash. It just doesn't work that way. International cricket is one a completely different threshold as U-19 cricket. It takes time to make it on that level no matter how talented you are.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

I never said that. I just said they'll be "on par" with Pakistan cometh the 2023 WC. Don't know how you interpreted that.

I interpreted this statement:

Bangladesh has better young talent coming through the ranks than Pakistan as evident by their performances at the recent youth (u19) Asia cup and the world cup.

Apologies if I misunderstood your point, but it seemed that you rated Bangladesh as having better young talent coming through the ranks than Pakistan

 

[Mesozoic]

Apologies if I misunderstood your point, but it seemed that you rated Bangladesh as having better young talent coming through the ranks than Pakistan[\B]

And I don't think I was wrong. U19 tournaments are the best indicator of the raw young talent in any country (atleast in cricket). Of course you never knew whether they go on to become great players at the senior level or not, but you can always judge by potential. And in that regards, I think Ban currently has better young cricketers coming through. By young, I mean u20 not the fringe players.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

It’s a rock paper scissors argument look up the scorecard for the Pakistan Bangladesh game that got washed out after Bangladesh completed its innings. The reality is that there is no huge difference in the talent between the teams. The team that is better on the day performed better. Pakistan lost to India more due to pressure than a quality difference. This is all I am saying

No point making huge statements about Bangladesh being far and away ahead. Cricket is not transitive.

[MENTION=151350]Mesozoic[/MENTION] — U19. Can only be referred to as an absolute demolition.

 

[hitthestump]

The COVID-19 pandemic is about to make the chasm between boards wider than ever. BCCI, CA and the ECB are going to hog all of the most profitable and highest quality cricket ventures and their infrastructures are going to leap ahead of everyone else's as a result.

We're going to enter a period where only these teams can win a WC as other boards just won't have the resources.

Pakistan probably have the best chance as they have the largest population with the proven ability to unearth diamonds in the rough. But in the present climate they will face a lot of opposition from India who's policy is unofficially to hamper whatever progress Pakistan might make.

 

[Hasan123]

The most likely is Sri Lanka. They are capable of beating us. Difficult to see Bangladesh beating Sri Lanka as their team is getting older and Sri Lanka have an edge over them, and us beating India in a WC seems unlikely.