Pakistan team has no one to blame for this situation but itself

[Mamoon]

Humiliating victory? Thats gotta be an oxymoron

That is the only way I can explain it. We started to sweat buckets as soon as the ball started to turn, and we were saved by umpiring howlers. It was a proper fluke victory and we were badly exposed.

The momentum and the aura that we built by beating South Africa and New Zealand was completely lost.

 

[Mamoon]

Ind winning against Afg by 11 runs what was that?

India didn’t bat well, but they bowled superbly and always looked in control. At no point during the run chase did Afghanistan look like getting over the line. Their entire innings was similar to the Fakhar-Babar partnership against India - directionless and a ticking time bomb.

 

[The_Odd_One]

England still had to beat two quality teams to make semis and they will do it. They are not in the same boat as Pakistan. They smashed Afghanistan and BD like they should have been while Pakistan almost lost to them.

First of all Pakistan has not even played Bangladesh yet so how did Pakistan almost lose to them?

Second, is beating Afghanistan by a big margin the benchmark now?

Pakistan has already defeated England and New Zealand, two quality teams in very challenging conditions. The England game was played on a batting belter which suited England. The New Zealand game was played on a rank turner which Pakistan won by chasing a par total.

England has so far beaten India only after they were served a flat pitch with 59 meters boundaries. Which other quality team have they beaten? Even, if they beat New Zealand, they will go to the semis because they bashed weaker teams better than Pakistan. It will have nothing to do with beating stronger teams. It is pretty embarrassing for the #1 ranked team playing world cup at home to compete with the #6 team for the final semi-final spot.

 

[Plumb]

That is the only way I can explain it. We started to sweat buckets as soon as the ball started to turn, and we were saved by umpiring howlers. It was a proper fluke victory and we were badly exposed.

The momentum and the aura that we built by beating South Africa and New Zealand was completely lost.

And kohli was drinking koolaid when Afgh was closing in on chasing 230.

 

[Technics 1210]

I am afraid that you are projecting your thoughts instead of actually reading what I have repeatedly stated.

I am not being proud of being inconsistent, it’s a ridiculous idea and I never said it.

I have said twice that “structural changes and strategic reforms are needed for the long term betterment of Pakistan Cricket and it is long overdue.”

What I am saying is that advancement to the Semis is based on good performance on a single day (by an inconsistent team) coupled by a bad performance on another day (by a consistent team) or some combination thereof. It has nothing to do with deserving or undeserving, there is no arbitration panel sitting and issuing moral judgements on who should advance and who shouldn’t.

Nobody is being proud of performing badly or being inconsistent but it is what it is.

It could rain on a particularly day and throw a good team out of the tournament or equally rain could cause a bad team to advance, it isn’t a moral imperative, it is based on what happens on a particular day.
Shadab Khan is not setting the world on fire but he is not useless either, together with Imad, Hafeez and Haris the spin department is competent if not extraordinary. The pace battery (if they get the length right) can trouble other teams. The batting is average but can get better with adjustment in the batting order.
In hindsight, a few of the players would not be in the squad but we are where we are.

I am taking issue (with respect) with your morality clause of “don’t deserve to advance” line of think. It isn’t a deserving vs non-deserving discussion, it’s how they perform on the day and the outcome of other teams (on their day). It’s a game and not a day in the Church to be judged upon the Gospel.

It is not a totally useless squad and can still get better with tactical adjustments and a game plan. For example, depending on the playing 11 selected, depending on the lengths bowled and depending on the batting order, they can beat any side (including India) on a given day. By the same token, wheels can come off too (and spectacularly).

They are inconsistent but not absolutely pathetic in my view.

A good day can see them advance.

A bad day will see them thrown out.

Either way, long term changes are needed and consistency needs to be developed.

PWND.

Another middle stump uprooted.

 

[Mamoon]

And kohli was drinking koolaid when Afgh was closing in on chasing 230.

Not my business what he was drinking, but they were always ahead of Afghanistan in the second innings.

 

[Technics 1210]

India didn’t bat well, but they bowled superbly and always looked in control. At no point during the run chase did Afghanistan look like getting over the line. Their entire innings was similar to the Fakhar-Babar partnership against India - directionless and a ticking time bomb.

) Neither did Pakistan bat well vs Afghanistan, but Pakistan still won!

The only aspect that is consistent are you lies. There were phases in the middle, and towards the end of the game where Afghanistan were odds on favourite to win.

 

[Technics 1210]

Not my business what he was drinking, but they were always ahead of Afghanistan in the second innings.

No they were not, you are lying. The win predictor, as well as online odds, had Afghanistan ahead during certain phases of the game during the second innings.

 

[Plumb]

Not my business what he was drinking, but they were always ahead of Afghanistan in the second innings.

I know you got a thick skin so won't argue anymore.

But try to analyze the game without being biased and use cricketing sense then go after the love of your favorite team..

 

[Mamoon]

No they were not, you are lying. The win predictor, as well as online odds, had Afghanistan ahead during certain phases of the game during the second innings.

The win predictor is nonsense. Anyone who understands the game knew that Afghanistan had no chance of chasing the total because India were bowling superbly as usual.

 

[Mamoon]

I know you got a thick skin so won't argue anymore.

But try to analyze the game without being biased and use cricketing sense then go after the love of your favorite team..

It was my cricketing sense that sensed that Afghanistan had no chance of chasing the total considering how well India were bowling.

 

[Mamoon]

) Neither did Pakistan bat well vs Afghanistan, but Pakistan still won!

The only aspect that is consistent are you lies. There were phases in the middle, and towards the end of the game where Afghanistan were odds on favourite to win.

India batted and bowled better than Afghanistan, while Pakistan were inferior in both departments but got lucky with the umpiring.

 

[Technics 1210]

The win predictor is nonsense. Anyone who understands the game knew that Afghanistan had no chance of chasing the total because India were bowling superbly as usual.

Oh ok the win predictor, and dynamic online odds are nonsense, Afghanistan ahead of the RRR is nonsense, but rankings are accurate as the force of gravity.

Anyone who understands the game knew India's sub 230 score was pathetic.

 

[loves_cricket]

But but it's India's fault any way

 

[Madplayer]

You said there were Pakistanis blaming India for the situation Pakistan find themselves in (one must win game away from a semi if England lose). The posts you have quoted and it took you 2 days, are regarding the Eng v India match and how badly India played.

Can you actually quote me a post regarding your thread?

I am sorry i am unable to understand what you are saying or asking for.

First of all i am talking about the entire "situation" in the OP. Pakistan's losses in this world cup, Poor NRR, depending on others to qualify and finally blaming India for losing the match against England. But you seem to have misunderstood the OP completely and are interpreting as per your wrong understanding of it. I never said India put Pakistan in this position where they have to win against BD to qualify.

 

[TalhaSyed]

Wrist slitters? People who show mirror and accept reality instead of singing fake passion passion tunes are wrist slitters yeah.
Amazing how you conveniently forget this same team could only buy one win in 15 games against Aus,Eng and SA. Reality of this team is that it is not good enough to make semis without having to rely on other teams.

The cliche WSS approach of feeding your own ego and making it sound like you can see more than everyone else can.....when actually your just a pesemistic wrist slitters who enjoys self pity.

People who enjoy wallowing in self pity thumping their chest going on and on about how crap what they have is are wrist slitters. People who viciously argue against their teams qualifying for the SF's rather than 2 teams who they beat are wrist slitters. People who don't see the basic logic that if 3 teams end up on the same number of points and one of the teams has beaten the other 2 it's obvious which team would be fortunate to miss out on qualification are wrist slitters.

Were those 15 games part of the World Cup? Next time should we award the world cup trophy to the team with the best W/L ratio in the lead up to the WC?

If England fail to beat NZ tomorrow aren't they relying on the Bang Vs Pak to qualify for SF? Therefore - based on your own logic - surely if Eng lose tomorrow they aren't worthy of qualifying for the SF?

If NZ lose tomorrow they will be relying on Bang beating Pak to qualify so therefore surely they aren't good enough to qualify based on your logic? Add on that the fact that NZ were lucky to get 1 point Vs India.

I'll repeat myself for the umpteen time.

Whoever qualifies for the SF deserves to go through since they finished in the Top 4 - however:


> Pak beat NZ and Pak could end up on the same number of points as NZ - yet NZ may still qualify ahead of Pak which is unfortunate for Pak

> Pak beat End and could have end up on the same number of points as Eng if it wasn't for rain in the game vs SL - yet Eng may now qualify ahead of Pak which is unfortunate for Pak

 

[Usman Chadda]

It was my cricketing sense that sensed that Afghanistan had no chance of chasing the total considering how well India were bowling.

What rubbish. Should we pull up your posts from that thread when Rahmat Shah and Hashmatullah Shahidi were having that little partnership?

How low can you go, just for a few responses? Have you no shame whatsoever?

 

[Madplayer]

That is the only way I can explain it. We started to sweat buckets as soon as the ball started to turn, and we were saved by umpiring howlers. It was a proper fluke victory and we were badly exposed.

The momentum and the aura that we built by beating South Africa and New Zealand was completely lost.

Thats true. Made a mess of it when it should have been easy. But doesnt look like even this ugly victory would make a difference now.

 

[Syed1]

What rubbish. Should we pull up your posts from that thread when Rahmat Shah and Hashmatullah Shahidi were having that little partnership?

How low can you go, just for a few responses? Have you no shame whatsoever?

Didn't he claim in the Ind vs Afg match thread that "Indian cricket is finished".... I remember you tagging me and saying whats happening here. This guy is such a big liar.

 

[Usman Chadda]

Didn't he claim that "Indian cricket is finished".... I remember you tagging me and saying whats happening here. This guy is such a big liar.

Yeah that post, and a few others subsequently. Till Kuldeep got the breakthrough, this guy was PMSing all over the thread.

Now his cricketing sense 'sensed' Afghanistan were never going to chase it down.

 

[Hitman]

What rubbish. Should we pull up your posts from that thread when Rahmat Shah and Hashmatullah Shahidi were having that little partnership?

How low can you go, just for a few responses? Have you no shame whatsoever?

All he said is that Indian cricket won’t be able to overcome the humiliation if they lose that match against Afghanistan.

 

[Hasan123]

Yeah that post, and a few others subsequently. Till Kuldeep got the breakthrough, this guy was PMSing all over the thread.

Now his cricketing sense 'sensed' Afghanistan were never going to chase it down.

I think he was being sarcastic.

 

[Pete Rose]

4 pages of opus dei

 

[Usman Chadda]

I think he was being sarcastic.

Highly doubt it. He was reeling from England's humiliation, and to have that Indian performance shoved down his throat was brutal.

 

[fitCricFan]

All he said is that Indian cricket won’t be able to overcome the humiliation if they lose that match against Afghanistan.

Its a game. Simply by the law of averages, a strong team is going to loose to a weaker team once in a while. Whats that to be humiliated about?

I don;t think Pakistan was humiliated by loosing to West Indies as I expect Pakistan to win 9 out of 10 games with them

At the end of the day, one team is going win and in every fan's mind, he is hoping its mine, for rights to brag, for a while

 

[Hasan123]

Highly doubt it. He was reeling from England's humiliation, and to have that Indian performance shoved down his throat was brutal.

I think he had a debate with someone in the match thread about Pakistan cricket being finished. Then made that remark.

I doubt he would say Indian cricket is finished in a serious way. If he actually means it it’s nonsense anyway. No test playing nation is finished. I think Sri Lanka, West Indies, and South Africa will improve. If we got rid of the players who need kicking out, I think we can compete with the top teams more consistently.

 

[Mamoon]

What rubbish. Should we pull up your posts from that thread when Rahmat Shah and Hashmatullah Shahidi were having that little partnership?

How low can you go, just for a few responses? Have you no shame whatsoever?

Didn't he claim in the Ind vs Afg match thread that "Indian cricket is finished".... I remember you tagging me and saying whats happening here. This guy is such a big liar.

It was sarcasm.

 

[Technics 1210]

So let me get this straight. When Mamoon's lies are caught out, he was being sarcastic, but when he shows the middle finger to Pakistan, he is speaking the truth. Amazing. This provides an entire new perspective to the Fluke/Bad day parallel.

 

[Mamoon]

So let me get this straight. When Mamoon's lies are caught out, he was being sarcastic, but when he shows the middle finger to Pakistan, he is speaking the truth. Amazing. This provides an entire new perspective to the Fluke/Bad day parallel.

I am responsible for what I say, because I am the owner of what comes out of my mouth or my keyboard. Therefore, when I say it was sarcasm, it was sarcasm. No one is in any position to tell me otherwise, because it is my business. I get to decide the nature of what I say (or type).

 

[Technics 1210]

I am responsible for what I say, because I am the owner of what comes out of my mouth or my keyboard. Therefore, when I say it was sarcasm, it was sarcasm. No one is in any position to tell me otherwise, because it is my business. I get to decide the nature of what I say (or type).

Likewise, so when I say you are lying, you are lying, because while you are the owner of your words, you do not decide how your words (or alleged paintings) are interpreted. :

 

[Savak]

A win is a win, this is the world cup we are playing, ultimately a loss is a loss and a win is a win regardless of how the teams fought and how they scratched around for a win.

 

[Syed1]

Man this one poster always takes a thread and make it about himself.... just get lost already.

 

[Usman Chadda]

I am responsible for what I say, because I am the owner of what comes out of my mouth or my keyboard. Therefore, when I say it was sarcasm, it was sarcasm. No one is in any position to tell me otherwise, because it is my business. I get to decide the nature of what I say (or type).

Oh bus kar de yaar. Maaf karo hum sab ko

 

[Mamoon]

Likewise, so when I say you are lying, you are lying, because while you are the owner of your words, you do not decide how your words (or alleged paintings) are interpreted. :

Sure. You can interpret things the way you want to because I cannot control what you think or say, but don't expect me to necessarily agree with your interpretation.

 

[Abdullah719]

Focus on the topic of the thread FGS.

 

[fitCricFan]

No, I put the blame squarely on the WI's. There was no reason for them to display that sort of form in the 1st match itself and then go downhill from there onwards.

No PSL contracts for any of them (kidding)

 

[nads_rocks]

Well how about this. Even our coach is saying the same thing.

Pakistan needs favours, need handouts, needs freebies to get through. Who and how many teams in the top 4 need other results to go their way because even though England may have lost they didnt lose contention on the top 4 they got their on their own!
Even with New Zealand losing 2 in a row they are still healthy with their nrr.
Even with India losing once they had no problems cementing their spot.
Australia well they havnt been their best but even at that they have managed to top the table and have that never give up attitude and always win!

So in all this where was Pakistan???

We are assuming Sri Lanka would have been a walk in the park, have you seen them play they have tried to also earn their spot and not rely on other teams to do the job for them.

Read this from Mickey Arthur, he also blames the West Indies loss which is the main cause of Pakistan not being in contention of their own merited own earnt top 4 spot.

"I just hope New Zealand get it done for us" : Mickey Arthur
Head coach Mickey Arthur is desperate for Pakistan to have their World Cup destiny in their own hands when they play Bangladesh on Friday.

England's victory over India on Sunday made it harder for Pakistan to reach the semi-finals and another win for the host nation against New Zealand on Wednesday would effectively end Pakistan's chances of qualifying from the round-robin stage.

"How they (India) played, again that's the issue which we can't control," said Arthur.

"Obviously, I was following the game intently and was disappointed that India did not get up because that would have opened the door for us.

"Now all we want is to get to Friday with a real opportunity and our destiny in our own hands."

Pakistan hope New Zealand can recover from two straight defeats to beat England at Chester-le-Street, which would open the door for Pakistan to reach the semis by beating Bangladesh at Lord's on Friday.

"I just hope New Zealand get it done for us," said Arthur, whose team have nine points, one behind England and two behind New Zealand, with one match to come for each side.

"If New Zealand don't (win) then we hope England win by a big-enough margin and then we calculate what we have to do with our net run-rate, which I think is probably too much."

Pakistan had a disastrous start to the World Cup when they were shot out for a paltry 105 by the West Indies, who chased down the target in just 13.4 overs.

"I think when we look back in the tournament the thing that really haunts me is the defeat against the West Indies," said Arthur of the seven-wicket loss in Nottingham.

"That was the game, right at the start of the tournament. We should have fired right at the start but we didn't and it hurts now."

Pakistan shocked England in their second game but Arthur said a washout against Sri Lanka in Bristol sapped their momentum.

"We had the momentum straight after the England win and then to have a washed-out game meant we almost had to start all over again and train indoors, so it was disappointing."

Pakistan lost to Australia and arch-rivals India before winning three consecutive games against South Africa, New Zealand and Afghanistan to revive their chances.

 

[nads_rocks]

Well [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] [MENTION=57576]MRSN[/MENTION]

It finally comes down to NRR as it seems New Zealand will be losing this one but if they lose badly then Pakistan going to have to thump Bangladesh or chase down a total as quickly as possible.

Guess people are finally going to come to their senses about everything we have been harping on about.

That West Indies Loss killed our NRR from the beginning
Losing against India killed it more
Then losing against Australia murdered it.
And then hobbling along the line to chase 228 in 49.4 overs against MIGHTY GIANTS AFGHANISTAN made it a near impossible nrr to overcome.

Now if Pak win and New Zealand lose both are 11 points so it comes to the NRR

Let that sink in to all of you who thought we were fake experts, against Pakistan team, can't see them happy can't praise their world cup performance etc...

Be happy with this mediocre rubbish performance and watch how the top 4 battle it out for this trophy!

 

[Technics 1210]

Well [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] [MENTION=57576]MRSN[/MENTION]

It finally comes down to NRR as it seems New Zealand will be losing this one but if they lose badly then Pakistan going to have to thump Bangladesh or chase down a total as quickly as possible.

Guess people are finally going to come to their senses about everything we have been harping on about.

That West Indies Loss killed our NRR from the beginning
Losing against India killed it more
Then losing against Australia murdered it.
And then hobbling along the line to chase 228 in 49.4 overs against MIGHTY GIANTS AFGHANISTAN made it a near impossible nrr to overcome.

Now if Pak win and New Zealand lose both are 11 points so it comes to the NRR

Let that sink in to all of you who thought we were fake experts, against Pakistan team, can't see them happy can't praise their world cup performance etc...

Be happy with this mediocre rubbish performance and watch how the top 4 battle it out for this trophy!

If anything you WSS should have learned is not to post prematurely. Now you could be right, but you could be wrong too. The match is not over.

On the topic of luck, if the likes of you and the WSS claim Pakistan were lucky to get this far etc, well so too NZ. Had that 6 cleared, you would not have posted the above at all. Just following the WSS logic here of course.

 

[The_Odd_One]

As I said before Pakistan is extremely unlucky that New Zealand is advancing to the semis despite getting thrashed by stronger teams and barely winning against Bangladesh, South Africa, and West Indies.

 

[Slog]

Obviously that’s true

The Washed out match was disappointing but only Pakistan is responsible for blowing the Australia game from a winning position and losing so terribly to WI and india. And taking Afghanistan to the Brink

 

[DeadlyYorker]

As I said before Pakistan is extremely unlucky that New Zealand is advancing to the semis despite getting thrashed by stronger teams and barely winning against Bangladesh, South Africa, and West Indies.

Barely winning is better than losing a game in a way vs bottom ranked team ,that some may suspect a match fixing...it was that bad really

 

[Slog]

India didn’t bat well, but they bowled superbly and always looked in control. At no point during the run chase did Afghanistan look like getting over the line. Their entire innings was similar to the Fakhar-Babar partnership against India - directionless and a ticking time bomb.

Ok that is a lie. Stop manufacturing history

India got a hatrick in the end which saved the game for them. Afghanistan were close and a few lusty hits could have taken the game

 

[Chokli]

It was sarcasm.

Lol sarcasm, yeah right mate.

You're making a mockery of yourself

 

[DeadlyYorker]

Ok that is a lie. Stop manufacturing history

India got a hatrick in the end which saved the game for them. Afghanistan were close and a few lusty hits could have taken the game

Match was won a long before hattrick....even us indians called those hatrick wickets soft.you are entitled to you opinion but only we know how our team played

 

[nads_rocks]

If anything you WSS should have learned is not to post prematurely. Now you could be right, but you could be wrong too. The match is not over.

On the topic of luck, if the likes of you and the WSS claim Pakistan were lucky to get this far etc, well so too NZ. Had that 6 cleared, you would not have posted the above at all. Just following the WSS logic here of course.

I dont think New Zealand are lucky nor England for that matter.
All these teams started off well with a +NRR either batting well or chasing well. When England lost they bounced back with the same positive intent.
New Zealand had 1 game washed out and won the next 5 so they were 6 games unbeaten but they ensured their top 4 place and their NRR is intact...
3 losses for them has not even dented that.

Pakistan have themselves to blame because after such a nice showing with the bat against England they did not capitalise and let England get closer to the target.
After staying ahead of the RRR chasing against Australia they imploded.
After they lost against India they should have really taken the other games seriously and thought maybe in the crunch time of the World Cup NRR will come in to play.
They let go of 2 opportunities, one against New Zealand when they just got over the line chasing a small total.
Next the diabolical one against Afghanistan.

All these losses for Pakistan were not close losses they were huge losses and its got them out of the contention of the top 4 on NRR alone.

New Zealand can afford a 3rd loss and still progress because they never really got a big thumping in every loss of theirs...

You can say WSS as many times as you want. If you think New Zealand 6 wickets down are still going to chase 160 runs in 16 overs then you really do live in a fantasy bubble.

Pakistan were very lucky to get this far and finish 5th because they really deserve to finish even lower.

Keep harping on about 1992 because it was never going to happen and Game 1 proved that

I have been posting way before New Zealand even played today, but my above comment is to prove that in the end NRR could come into play if Pak beats Bangladesh which is now a dead rubber anyway.

Just remember 1992 there was a formidable fighting team led by a great captain.
2019 there is a bunch of cowards who cannot hold a bat to save their life led by an overweight unfit uninterested yawning captain.

Let that sink in because you keep saying WSS as if its supposed to mean something.

Even our own coach is depending on LUCK or other results to go their way indirectly begging to squeeze into the top 4 undeservingly. That says alot too about the mentality of the whole team and coach.

 

[BreadPakoda]

Pakistan should be proud of the way they have played the world cup. They bounced back from the hammering from WI to beat higher ranked teams England, SA, and NZ. This was no mean feat! On a side note, Bangladesh also showed great promise with the win against SA and Shakib topping the batting charts. Only Afghanistan disappointed the Asia bloc, although they too had their moments.

 

[Mamoon]

Youre predictions are as accurate as the English weather forecast, as we all have seen in the past. Do you expect people on here to take them seriously?

In must win games anything can happen, England have plenty of weak areas and NZ are no pushovers.

Big LOL at all the over-hype with England.

For all the nay-sayers, this is what happened the last time Eng and NZ met in a world cup match.

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so keep calm and believe in MEN IN GREEN !!!!

I wasnt talking about THAT team only, England in general have had bad record at WCs, 3 losses at the final and then failed to reach semis for 27 years now. It would be another almighty embarrassment if they get bundled out before semis again after all the hoopla and hype.

Alright then, see you on Wednesday !

You set yourself up for disappointment, now it is up to you how you deal with it. The result of this match was never in any doubt.

This is what happens you close your eyes and hope for miracles.

 

[Mamoon]

[MENTION=29254]nads_rocks[/MENTION]

Pakistan cricket fans have been infected by a virus and there is no cure now. Brilliant post, but don’t expect it to breach the Wall of Denial.

 

[KingKhanWC]

You set yourself up for disappointment, now it is up to you how you deal with it. The result of this match was never in any doubt.

This is what happens you close your eyes and hope for miracles.

lol

Most people tought England were going to win, they were strong favourites with the bookies, hardly a great prediction. Stop leading such a sad life, get out more.

 

[IMMY69]

I blame Shoaib Malik

 

[Kroll]

Having a non-existent middle order going into this WC did not help matters. Heads need to roll for this sheer incompetency.

 

[sunny85]

Dhoni and Kedar. I pray that some hard core pak fans , attack and rough up these 2 jokers. Will be blessing in disguise for India.

 

[Jabo]

Poor performance against India, Afg, and the WI

I still think Bangladesh beat or give us a tough game

which will silence the NZ losing to England issue

 

[Madplayer]

All blame lies flatly on Pakistan. Pathetic approach even today.

 

[Technics 1210]

I dont think New Zealand are lucky nor England for that matter.
All these teams started off well with a +NRR either batting well or chasing well. When England lost they bounced back with the same positive intent.
New Zealand had 1 game washed out and won the next 5 so they were 6 games unbeaten but they ensured their top 4 place and their NRR is intact...
3 losses for them has not even dented that.

Pakistan have themselves to blame because after such a nice showing with the bat against England they did not capitalise and let England get closer to the target.
After staying ahead of the RRR chasing against Australia they imploded.
After they lost against India they should have really taken the other games seriously and thought maybe in the crunch time of the World Cup NRR will come in to play.
They let go of 2 opportunities, one against New Zealand when they just got over the line chasing a small total.
Next the diabolical one against Afghanistan.

All these losses for Pakistan were not close losses they were huge losses and its got them out of the contention of the top 4 on NRR alone.

New Zealand can afford a 3rd loss and still progress because they never really got a big thumping in every loss of theirs...

You can say WSS as many times as you want. If you think New Zealand 6 wickets down are still going to chase 160 runs in 16 overs then you really do live in a fantasy bubble.

Pakistan were very lucky to get this far and finish 5th because they really deserve to finish even lower.

Keep harping on about 1992 because it was never going to happen and Game 1 proved that

I have been posting way before New Zealand even played today, but my above comment is to prove that in the end NRR could come into play if Pak beats Bangladesh which is now a dead rubber anyway.

Just remember 1992 there was a formidable fighting team led by a great captain.
2019 there is a bunch of cowards who cannot hold a bat to save their life led by an overweight unfit uninterested yawning captain.

Let that sink in because you keep saying WSS as if its supposed to mean something.

Even our own coach is depending on LUCK or other results to go their way indirectly begging to squeeze into the top 4 undeservingly. That says alot too about the mentality of the whole team and coach.

Stop talking about the NRR until the WC is over for Pakistan. If Pakistan lose today, your cries of NRR become irrelevant.

You claim you were posting about NRR from the get go? YOU GOT LUCKY that NRR is even in contention.

Pakistan were unlucky at times in this tournament, same way you claimed other teams were unlucky/lucky in this WC, and your hatred and discrimination against the Pakistan team will never change this glaring fact.

 

[nads_rocks]

Stop talking about the NRR until the WC is over for Pakistan. If Pakistan lose today, your cries of NRR become irrelevant.

You claim you were posting about NRR from the get go? YOU GOT LUCKY that NRR is even in contention.

Pakistan were unlucky at times in this tournament, same way you claimed other teams were unlucky/lucky in this WC, and your hatred and discrimination against the Pakistan team will never change this glaring fact.

Its not hatred or discrimination, I dont need to show you or prove to you what this team means to be, how I used to be a passionate pakistan fan and blindly follow them like u and many others.

They let you down time and time again, they keep failing at the basics why?

Its not about luck its about grabbing those chances you have been given, take advantage.

I'm not the one constantly harping on about NRR but yes in every major tournament you have to have a back up plan in case NRR comes in to play and well the whole entire world including the captain coach and players are also talking about NRR.

Infact Safraz our captain was so over confident that he said if 1992 and 2019 are to be repeated then Allah will help us with this miraculous 500 fine good confidence should have had that from the start.

What happened. They did not change the team, they did not shuffle the batting order infact they did not even try they still went at their 3 and 4rpo.

Imad was the only player to hit a 6 and they were talking about reaching 500. They have never reached 400 let alone 500...

They are pathetic cowards and today showed it once again they have no plan they have no tactics they have no strategy and the whole team barring 2 or 3 individuals need to sit out and never wear the green jersey again.

Jut because I mention the negatives don't mean I hate the team or always discriminating against them.

Look at the overall world cup. West Indies only won twice that too against us and against Afghans who have lost their every game.

Look at the overall margins of losses of Pakistan and of other teams.

Infact Bangladesh had 2 washouts so did Sri Lanka we had 1 washout yet we could not even qualify!

Not everything in Pakistan team should be ignored, they have had a shambolic world cup whether anybody agrees or not I dont care but there is nothing to be proud of because end of the day they are to blame for not being in contention today for the semi.

Had they chased well against New Zealand and Afghanistan then the win margin today comes down from 316 to 120 or something, they can target 350 or 400 which is a realistic target and then maybe just maybe they could have qualified.

We can harp on all we want that England and India conspired against Pakistan or England and New Zealand conspired against Pakistan. There is no conspiracy involved. If any1 conspired against Pakistan then its the players because they did no justice to go out there and represent their nation infront of hundreds of fans, thousands at home and millions around the world.

The sooner they start finding players like Babar, Shaheen, etc... you will see Pakistan rise once again and become that team that everyone fears.

Right now we are nowhere near the top teams infact even Bangladesh have outshone us this World Cup and over the years and Sri Lanka are creeping up again.

We are at the level of Afghans Zim and Ireland. If you are happy to stay there then thats upto you.

I want to see us rise and become a team that is strong and goes out there for one thing. Do your best TO WIN!

 

[Technics 1210]

Do your best TO WIN!

Pakistan will most likely finish 5th, with equal points to NZ.

Had the SL match not been rained off I am convinced Pakistan would have won.
Had the NZ match not been rained off I am convinced India would have won.

Rain ruined us, rain saved NZ. We'd be in the SF right now.

Pakistan did us proud. They proved most of the haters wrong, and got further than anyone expected.

This WC is about as close to a proper ranking league system in Cricket, where every team played every other team, and to finish joint 4th is an amazing feat given the problems with Pakistan cricket.

 

[Captain caveman]

I blame Shoaib Malik

Me too!
If haris played instead of malik against the aussies, we would have won and qualified for the semis!

 

[MRSN]

Pakistan will most likely finish 5th, with equal points to NZ.

Had the SL match not been rained off I am convinced Pakistan would have won.
Had the NZ match not been rained off I am convinced India would have won.

Rain ruined us, rain saved NZ. We'd be in the SF right now.

Pakistan did us proud. They proved most of the haters wrong, and got further than anyone expected.

This WC is about as close to a proper ranking league system in Cricket, where every team played every other team, and to finish joint 4th is an amazing feat given the problems with Pakistan cricket.

If that makes you sleep well....

 

[gibsyhesperis]

Pakistan will most likely finish 5th, with equal points to NZ.

Had the SL match not been rained off I am convinced Pakistan would have won.
Had the NZ match not been rained off I am convinced India would have won.

Rain ruined us, rain saved NZ. We'd be in the SF right now.

Pakistan did us proud. They proved most of the haters wrong, and got further than anyone expected.

This WC is about as close to a proper ranking league system in Cricket, where every team played every other team, and to finish joint 4th is an amazing feat given the problems with Pakistan cricket.

Fully agree — exactly right.
We are the fourth or fifth best side in the world. A bit unlucky and ne horror show (vs WI).
Overall much better than I thought we would do

 

[the_game]

Pakistan will most likely finish 5th, with equal points to NZ.

Had the SL match not been rained off I am convinced Pakistan would have won.
Had the NZ match not been rained off I am convinced India would have won.

Rain ruined us, rain saved NZ. We'd be in the SF right now.

Pakistan did us proud. They proved most of the haters wrong, and got further than anyone expected.

This WC is about as close to a proper ranking league system in Cricket, where every team played every other team, and to finish joint 4th is an amazing feat given the problems with Pakistan cricket.

Well summarized (even though getting rid of cancers like Malik early in the tournament could have proved the difference between getting to semi final or eliminated). Too bad nobody will talk about new zealand's "fluke" semi final spot

 

[Mamoon]

If that makes you sleep well....

It is funny how they conveniently ignore that Sri Lanka’s fluke win over England was also lucky for Pakistan.

 

[Technics 1210]

If that makes you sleep well....

Says the guy who did not expect Pakistan to beat ENG, NZ, and SA, and subsequently had nightmares when Pakistan did so.

Bless.

 

[MRSN]

Well summarized (even though getting rid of cancers like Malik early in the tournament could have proved the difference between getting to semi final or eliminated). Too bad nobody will talk about new zealand's "fluke" semi final spot

NZ didn't have luck but great leadership of Williamson. He carried his team by leading with his world class batting. On the other hand we have a leader who hides behind pseudo all rounders and has a fitness of 60 years old grandpa

 

[Technics 1210]

It is funny how they conveniently ignore that Sri Lanka’s fluke win over England was also lucky for Pakistan.

More nonsense. Had England won, they would have ended up on 14 points instead of 12. Leaving England in the top 3. Pakistan's equation would have been exactly the same regardless of the SL/ENG result playing for the 4th position.

Come back when you get over the facts.

 

[Mamoon]

More nonsense. Had England won, they would have ended up on 14 points instead of 12. Leaving England in the top 3. Pakistan's equation would have been exactly the same regardless of the SL/ENG result playing for the 4th position.

Come back when you get over the facts.

What facts?

Sri Lanka’s fluke win meant that both England and New Zealand were in danger of losing their spot to Pakistan. Without that win, Pakistan wouldn’t have been able to catch England.

 

[Technics 1210]

NZ didn't have luck but great leadership of Williamson. He carried his team by leading with his world class batting. On the other hand we have a leader who hides behind pseudo all rounders and has a fitness of 60 years old grandpa

World class batting my backside. Williamson is responsible for almost a 3rd of all Kiwi runs in this tournament. No Williamson, no NZ.

 

[Technics 1210]

What facts?

Sri Lanka’s fluke win meant that both England and New Zealand were in danger of losing their spot to Pakistan. Without that win, Pakistan wouldn’t have been able to catch England.

Pakistan haven't caught England anyway. The 4th spot is about catching up with NZ.

Like I said, come back when you have the facts.

 

[the_game]

NZ didn't have luck but great leadership of Williamson. He carried his team by leading with his world class batting. On the other hand we have a leader who hides behind pseudo all rounders and has a fitness of 60 years old grandpa

Williamson aside, the entire batting lineup came up with absolutely garbage performances through the tournament (expect nothing less in the semi final) . Pakistan was the better team but selecting useless seniors and the west indies brain **** killed our chances. Not a bad performance by any stretch but obviously an overhaul is still required with obviously less focus on joke performances in joke t20 tournaments like PSL etc etc and a bigger emphasis placed on consistent first class performances.

 

[nads_rocks]

Pakistan will most likely finish 5th, with equal points to NZ.

Had the SL match not been rained off I am convinced Pakistan would have won.
Had the NZ match not been rained off I am convinced India would have won.

Rain ruined us, rain saved NZ. We'd be in the SF right now.

Pakistan did us proud. They proved most of the haters wrong, and got further than anyone expected.

This WC is about as close to a proper ranking league system in Cricket, where every team played every other team, and to finish joint 4th is an amazing feat given the problems with Pakistan cricket.

World Cup is remembered by fans for their team reaching the summit or close to it.

Whether you finish 5th 6th or 4th level on points does not matter.
Other teams took advantage of the situations and when the asking for tough they stood up or couple players did. They did their best to reach that summit, if they got battered the previous game they ensured they wont get battered the next game, they changed players they changed tactics they changed strategy they played according to the situation.

Whether Pakistan bat first or bowl first they play with the same tempo same mentality and think last 10 overs they are going to go berserk when they can't buy a 4 or a 6.

Most teams try to send a message to the opposition in the first 10-15 overs, set platform and others continue.

The only platform Pakistan set are go at 3rpo lose your wickets and start a game of dominoes...

 

[Mamoon]

Pakistan haven't caught England anyway. The 4th spot is about catching up with NZ.

Like I said, come back when you have the facts.

Doesn’t matter. Delusionalists like you were banking on India and New Zealand beating England.

 

[Technics 1210]

Doesn’t matter. Delusionalists like you were banking on India and New Zealand beating England.

Don't run away now.

If England had won the match vs Sri Lanka, England would have an extra 2 points, and SL less 2 points.

Explain to me Doctor, how this changes the current standings? Hint - it doesn't.

Busted like a backdoor flush.

 

[geraltofrivia]

Don't run away now.

If England had won the match vs Sri Lanka, England would have an extra 2 points, and SL less 2 points.

Explain to me Doctor, how this changes the current standings? Hint - it doesn't.

Busted like a backdoor flush.

If England had won against SL then talks of Pakistan in the semis wouldn't even have happened.

 

[Technics 1210]

If England had won against SL then talks of Pakistan in the semis wouldn't even have happened.

Irrelevant.

What is relevant are the points. The tables proves the SF spot for Pakistan was all relative to NZ's points, and given Pak and NZ end up on 11 points, the ENG/SL match made zero difference on Pakistan vying for the 4th spot.

 

[Mamoon]

Don't run away now.

If England had won the match vs Sri Lanka, England would have an extra 2 points, and SL less 2 points.

Explain to me Doctor, how this changes the current standings? Hint - it doesn't.

Busted like a backdoor flush.

“Current standings”?

People like you were banking on Pakistan making into the semis by either overtaking New Zealand or England.

With England beating Sri Lanka, Pakistan would only have a chance of overtaking New Zealand.

Posing in italics won’t make your argument stronger - you have been thoroughly embarrassed over the last few days because your predictions of Pakistan qualifying for the semis haven’t materialized.

Don’t attempt to hide your disappointment with pomposity.

 

[hur rizvi]

Obviously we blew it against windies

But NZ have been very lucky. One more better connection from ‘remember the name’ or self belief from Bangladesh or lack of rain against India would have resulted in Pakistan qualifying

 

[Technics 1210]

“Current standings”?

People like you were banking on Pakistan making into the semis by either overtaking New Zealand or England.

With England beating Sri Lanka, Pakistan would only have a chance of overtaking New Zealand.

Posing in italics won’t make your argument stronger - you have been thoroughly embarrassed over the last few days because your predictions of Pakistan qualifying for the semis haven’t materialized.

Don’t attempt to hide your disappointment with pomposity.

Waffle.

The maths, logic, and truth are against you.

Pakistan did overtake NZ at one point, Pakistan was 4th. Were you even following the World Cup?

Facts are facts, PAK and NZ end up with 11 points, but you remain delusional thinking 2 more points to England or 2 less to SL would change this equation.

Were you even following this WC? Yes my prediction of Pakistan qualifying for the SF did not materialize, but your prediction of Pakistan losing all matches barring Afghanistan, was the epitome of failures. Just like you failure to understand ENG/SL match had zero consequence of Pakistan/NZ's final points.

Need a rope?

 

[Mamoon]

Waffle.

The maths, logic, and truth are against you.

Pakistan did overtake NZ at one point, Pakistan was 4th. Were you even following the World Cup?

Facts are facts, PAK and NZ end up with 11 points, but you remain delusional thinking 2 more points to England or 2 less to SL would change this equation.

Were you even following this WC? Yes my prediction of Pakistan qualifying for the SF did not materialize, but your prediction of Pakistan losing all matches barring Afghanistan, was the epitome of failures. Just like you failure to understand ENG/SL match had zero consequence of Pakistan/NZ’s final points.

Need a rope?

More pomposity. Please direct me to the post(s) where I said that Pakistan will lose all matches barring Afghanistan. I don’t seem to recall it, can you help me?

I might need a rope, but you need a family pack of Kleenex.

Pakistan is a mediocre team and unless the superior teams have an off-day, we cannot beat them. England did have an off-day against us, and South Africa were shambolic in this World Cup.

The New Zealand pitch was clearly designed to keep Pakistan in the World Cup. They would have beaten us on a pitch that wasn’t prepared by farmers.

 

[Technics 1210]

More pomposity. Please direct me to the post(s) where I said that Pakistan will lose all matches barring Afghanistan. I don’t seem to recall it, can you help me?

I might need a rope, but you need a family pack of Kleenex.

Pakistan is a mediocre team and unless the superior teams have an off-day, we cannot beat them. England did have an off-day against us, and South Africa were shambolic in this World Cup.

The New Zealand pitch was clearly designed to keep Pakistan in the World Cup. They would have beaten us on a pitch that wasn’t prepared by farmers.

Changing the subject now.

Limp along. :