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The Pakistan team management has asked for an explanation from the match referee after no action was taken regarding the Fakhar Zaman run out incident during the 2nd ODI in Johannesburg.

The Pakistan team manager has spoken with the match referee about the incident involving South Africa wicket-keeper Quinton de Kock and which some feel could have contravened Law 41.5.1 that states It's unfair for any fielder wilfully to attempt, by word or action, to distract, deceive or obstruct either batsman after striker's received the ball. If umpires deem an attempt to deceive has taken place, they inform captains & award 5 penalty runs to batting side

The match referee has told the team management that he will investigate the matter further and get back to them tomorrow after consulting the on-field umpires and third umpire.
 
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I think this is a little late. Meetings will be had, memo exchanged but Fakhar will still rue looking back at Harris yards out his crease with QDK chuckling at him like a hyena.
 
They also need to ask about the ball landing on Bavumas cap after he dropped the catch
 
What is there to gain from this now?

Nothing. Umpiring errors are part of the game. Before DRS horrible lbw decisions would go against a team and they would have to live with it. Unless they want Quinton to be reprimanded, which is unfair because I think he didn't know it was illegal.
 
Too late.
They should educate themselves and their players
 
IMO just move on.

CSA are one of our very few friends in world cricket. It was a great innings and a great match to be remembered. Just move on.
 
Making a mountain of a mole hill

It was actually quite light hearted how the run out happened, hardly something sinister .
 
What's the penalty? 5 runs for what DeQock did and another 5 runs for the ball landing on Bavuma's cap. That is another 10 runs for Pakistan, will reduce the defeat from 17 runs to 7 runs.
 
What's the penalty? 5 runs for what DeQock did and another 5 runs for the ball landing on Bavuma's cap. That is another 10 runs for Pakistan, will reduce the defeat from 17 runs to 7 runs.

Why would Pakistan get 5 runs because the ball landed on Bavumas cap?.
 
“If umpires deem an attempt to deceive has taken place, they inform captains & award 5 penalty runs to batting side”

Here is the clue for Pakistani fans. They keep missing it for some reason.
 
“If umpires deem an attempt to deceive has taken place, they inform captains & award 5 penalty runs to batting side”

Here is the clue for Pakistani fans. They keep missing it for some reason.


Whats' your point? When Temba Bavuma dropped Fakhar's catch, the ball came in contact with his hat. Umpires should have awarded 5 penalty points to Pakistan but they did not as the Umpires missed it or forgot the law in the moment. Just like this incident Umpires might not have realized what happened and missed the action involving Fakhar's run out. So a good call by Pak management to ask the match referee to review the incident so in the future this sort of deception is avoided on the ground (ff it is unlawful)
 
What's the penalty? 5 runs for what DeQock did and another 5 runs for the ball landing on Bavuma's cap. That is another 10 runs for Pakistan, will reduce the defeat from 17 runs to 7 runs.

Again, what does it matter?
Even if it is a 1 run loss, a loss is loss.
 
The Pakistan team management has asked for an explanation from the match referee after no action was taken regarding the Fakhar Zaman run out incident during the 2nd ODI in Johannesburg.

The Pakistan team manager has spoken with the match referee about the incident involving South Africa wicket-keeper Quinton de Kock and which some feel could have contravened Law 41.5.1 that states It's unfair for any fielder wilfully to attempt, by word or action, to distract, deceive or obstruct either batsman after striker's received the ball. If umpires deem an attempt to deceive has taken place, they inform captains & award 5 penalty runs to batting side

The match referee has told the team management that he will investigate the matter further and get back to them tomorrow after consulting the on-field umpires and third umpire.

There is nothing wrong with inquiring about it, looks like two mistakes were committed by the umpire/referee, hope they will do a better job in coming match .
 
The management has a right to be unhappy. De Kock was clearly trying to fool Fakhar. There was no other reason for him to point to the bowlers end when the ball was travelling his way. The problem is nothing can be changed now. So we will have to move on I suppose.
 
Whats' your point? When Temba Bavuma dropped Fakhar's catch, the ball came in contact with his hat. Umpires should have awarded 5 penalty points to Pakistan but they did not as the Umpires missed it or forgot the law in the moment. Just like this incident Umpires might not have realized what happened and missed the action involving Fakhar's run out. So a good call by Pak management to ask the match referee to review the incident so in the future this sort of deception is avoided on the ground (ff it is unlawful)


Correction: Just googled and learnt that Bavuma incident did not warrant give penalty runs - so i take it back. See https://wisden.com/series-stories/s...lty-runs-after-the-ball-hit-temba-bavumas-hat

"However, the Laws of Cricket are clear that Bavuma’s punishment for the drop should merely have been Zaman staying at the crease, rather than an extra five runs conceded. While clause 28.2.1 of the Laws states that a fielder “will be deemed to have fielded the ball illegally if, while the ball is in play he/she wilfully uses anything other than part of his/her person to field the ball,” “wilfully” is a key word. Clause 28.2.2 clarifies that “It is not illegal fielding if the ball in play makes contact with a piece of clothing, equipment or any other object which has accidentally fallen from the fielder’s person."
 
Whats' your point? When Temba Bavuma dropped Fakhar's catch, the ball came in contact with his hat. Umpires should have awarded 5 penalty points to Pakistan but they did not as the Umpires missed it or forgot the law in the moment. Just like this incident Umpires might not have realized what happened and missed the action involving Fakhar's run out. So a good call by Pak management to ask the match referee to review the incident so in the future this sort of deception is avoided on the ground (ff it is unlawful)

That is not what the law states regarding hats.

The issue is that our fans are emotionally charged at the moment and need excuses to find 17 runs from somewhere so that they can convince themselves that they won the match.

As far as Fakhar’s run out is concerned, it is the umpire’s discretion. They have to decide whether an attempted deception has taken place or not. It is just like any other decision - it is only enforceable if the umpire thinks so, and in this case, it did not.

I will copy my post from the other thread which sums up the whole issue:

However, the reality is that Fakhar had absolutely no business getting distracted or fooled by him.

He was on 193 and the team needed a 6 of every delivery left and he was batting with a tail-ender.

It wasn’t his concern or his problem if Rauf was getting run-out, because Fakhar had to be on strike in any case and his only concern at that point should have been to get back to his crease as quickly as possible.

If he got distracted, it is his own fault for exhibiting a momentary lapse in concentration and proving himself to be yet another Pakistani player who lacks match-awareness and doesn’t keep his head in the game at all times.

There is literally no reason and no justification why he should have been worried about Rauf getting run-out at that point.

When your only concern is to get back to your crease as soon as possible, you do not look back and slow down just because of the WK’s gesture.
 
In retrospect, 5 runs should’ve been given but the match is over. It was a fantastic knock from Fakhar and gutted for him missing out on yet another double-century. South Africa won the game fair and square, Pakistan were awful in many departments today.
 
how can Qdk do fake fielding when he has never touched the ball during the entire course of action. The only fielder involved was Makram during the entire course of action.
 
how can Qdk do fake fielding when he has never touched the ball during the entire course of action. The only fielder involved was Makram during the entire course of action.

When someone fake slides and throws the ball, do you think they actually touch the ball?
 
The team management should also investigate why some of the players selected were in the team and the decision to not send Hasnain before Rauf and Afridi but Misbah as usual will be given the benefit of the doubt.
 
When someone fake slides and throws the ball, do you think they actually touch the ball?

If the same fielder does fake slide and throws I am fine with penalty. Let me give you a scenario:
Suppose the same action is done by Rabada instead of Qdk, pointing fingers at non strike end, from 3rd man, do you still consider it as fake fielding? Or you consider it as fake fielding only if F Zaman see it and looked back?

We cannot have a situation of fake fielding only if batsmen see it.
 
If the same fielder does fake slide and throws I am fine with penalty. Let me give you a scenario:
Suppose the same action is done by Rabada instead of Qdk, pointing fingers at non strike end, from 3rd man, do you still consider it as fake fielding? Or you consider it as fake fielding only if F Zaman see it and looked back?

We cannot have a situation of fake fielding only if batsmen see it.

Doesn't matter if batsman sees it or not. An attempt to deceive is enough to deem it illegal.
 
There is no need to make this an issue.Even Fakhar did not blame Quinton.He blamed himself for the lapse in concentration.
 
To be fair Pakistan were ROBBED. total of 16 runs could have been given off two deliveries if the umpires had done their job properly. Cost Zaman a double century as well as a Pak victory.
 
What is there to gain from this now?

Not late, s the match referee should review such instances. Even if it does not change the state of the game, the umpires can be disciplined/retrained/spoken to regarding such issues as can the players. Believe it or not, that is the match referees job :jimmy

Funny thing is, Pakistan could have been due 10 penalty runs in this game...
 
Not late, s the match referee should review such instances. Even if it does not change the state of the game, the umpires can be disciplined/retrained/spoken to regarding such issues as can the players. Believe it or not, that is the match referees job :jimmy

Funny thing is, Pakistan could have been due 10 penalty runs in this game...

This At least with some words n corrective action this wont happen again

And hopefully the officials will know pakistan wont stand around smiling whilst decisions go against them and they dont get mugged off in the future
 
After the way i saw NZ got robbed of a world cup, anythinf else looks small to me
 
Now we cant do anything.Had Fakhar appealed at that time than things might have changed.Pak would have gotten 7 runs and the ball would also not have been counted.If you also count the hat runs than Pak would have been left with 19 of 6 which imo fakhar would have made.But now nothing can be done learn from your mistakes and move on
 
It wouldn't have changed the result of the match but maybe Fakhar would've gotten to his double century. That's about it. But like Fakhar said, it was his fault. Should've been more careful.
 
No, it wasn’t in the spirit of how the game should be played.

But Fakhar didn’t care so why are we getting bothered about it. We lost. Lol. Yes, Fakhar played an absolute gem the best innings by a Pakistani in years and yes it would have been even more sweet if he got 200 and Pakistan won. But we didn’t.

De Kock lived up to his name especially how the way he was sneering afterward but PCB shouldn’t bother. Either way we lost lol and De Kock is exactly what it says it is.
 
If the intention is to raise awareness for umpires, including that hat debacle, then I'm all for it.

Otherwise, there's not much that can be done. In boxing/MMA, where results can be changed to a no contest or disqualification, appeals are very, very rarely listened to. The results usually only change when a fighter fails a drug test. I don't see what they want to achieve from this.
 
That is not what the law states regarding hats.

The issue is that our fans are emotionally charged at the moment and need excuses to find 17 runs from somewhere so that they can convince themselves that they won the match.

Yet you are using the lack of 17 runs to discredit Fakhar's innings. .
 
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If the same fielder does fake slide and throws I am fine with penalty. Let me give you a scenario:
Suppose the same action is done by Rabada instead of Qdk, pointing fingers at non strike end, from 3rd man, do you still consider it as fake fielding? Or you consider it as fake fielding only if F Zaman see it and looked back?

We cannot have a situation of fake fielding only if batsmen see it.

So you can have fake fielding without the player doing it actually touching the ball. Thank you for admitting there was no logic to your initial statement.

I have no idea what the point of your question is. Hopefully you’re next post will be a little more well thought out.
 
Silly from QdK but it would not have changed the result. 29 runs in 5 balls would mean 5 straight sixes. Move on Pak.
 
So you can have fake fielding without the player doing it actually touching the ball. Thank you for admitting there was no logic to your initial statement.

I have no idea what the point of your question is. Hopefully you’re next post will be a little more well thought out.

I said it’s ok to penalize if the same fielder who fakes fielding and then picks the ball and throw to cause confusion to batsmen.
 
One of the greatest knocks in one-day international history was cruelly ended after Pakistan opener Fakhar Zaman was run out in controversial circumstances.

Fakhar played a lone hand as he made 193 in the visitors’ futile pursuit of South Africa’s mammoth score of 6/341, but was chasing the consolation prize of a double century when he was fooled on the first ball of the final over.

Fakhar, who hit 18 fours and 10 sixes in his incredible 155-ball knock that dragged Pakistan to a final score of 9/324, hit Lungi Ngidi’s delivery to the long-on fielder and called for two runs.

But as he returned to the striker’s end for the second, Proteas wicketkeeper Quinton de Kock pointed excitedly towards the nonstriker’s end. Fakhar, distracted, turned his head and the moment of hesitation was enough to cost him his wicket as a direct hit broke the stumps in front of de Kock.

Law 41.5.1 states that “it is unfair for any fielder wilfully to attempt, by word or action, to distract, deceive or obstruct either batsman after the striker has received the ball”, meaning the umpires could have awarded five penalty runs to Pakistan if they’d deemed de Kock’s actions to be deliberate deception or “fake fielding”.

Proteas skipper Temba Bavuma appeared to indicate it was a deliberate move. “It was quite clever from Quinny,” Bavuma said.

“Maybe some people might criticise it for maybe not being in the spirit of the game. But it was an important wicket for us. Zaman was getting close to our target. Yeah, it was clever from Quinny.

“You’ve always got to look for ways especially when things are not going your way, got to find ways to turn momentum around. Quinny did that – I don’t think he broke the rules in any kind of way. It was a clever piece of cricket.”

But Fakhar took responsibility for allowing himself to be distracted.

“The fault was mine as I was too busy looking out for (nonstriker) Haris Rauf at the other end as I felt he’d started off a little late from his crease, so I thought he was in trouble,” he said. “The rest is up to the match referee, but I don’t think it’s Quinton’s fault.”

The game’s laws were changed in 2017 to prevent fielders from attempting to deceive batsman while they’re running between wickets.

Australian batsman Marnus Labuschagne was penalised while playing for Queensland in a one-day game after shaping to throw the ball even though it wasn’t in his hand.

Zaman’s astonishing innings could not prevent South Africa winning the second one-day international by 17 runs in Johannesburg on Sunday.

Pakistan seemed to have no chance when they slumped to 7/205 in the 38th over at the Wanderers Stadium before Fakhar launched an assault.

With only his team’s bowlers to keep him company, the left-handed Fakhar, who was on 97 when Faheem Ashraf was the seventh man out, went on all-out attack.

“It was one of the best innings I have seen in my life,” said Pakistan captain Babar Azam.

“It was an incredible innings, probably the best I have come across,” added South African captain Bavuma. “Everything he tried came off.”

Fakhar, who made a ODI double century against Zimbabwe in 2018, was named man of the match. “I tried my level best,” he said. “That’s my game.

“The wicket was really good, the boundaries were very short and the run rate was going up. I was just hitting the ball.”

South Africa’s win levelled the three-match series.

https://www.news.com.au/sport/crick...t/news-story/1e2af53100806717feb0200f6f4226ff
 
Umpire should have taken action and award 5 runs, Who knows it might turn around the match, Umpiring were caught napping, Infact De Kock did clearly celebrate the cheating still umpires kept quiet,
If its done by our player then the whole world will be against us. Pure discriminations.
And lost respect for Bavuma also the way he tried to cover it.
 
Silly from QdK but it would not have changed the result. 29 runs in 5 balls would mean 5 straight sixes. Move on Pak.

Pakistan wasn't winning the match, but you can't say scoring the double in this situation wasn't a big thing. It was such a great innings, without ant help from the rest of the team.
 
What's the penalty? 5 runs for what DeQock did and another 5 runs for the ball landing on Bavuma's cap. That is another 10 runs for Pakistan, will reduce the defeat from 17 runs to 7 runs.

Exactly and who knows of Zaman hit few sixes.... or may noball pressue was on...... poor umpiring and what the hell third umpire was doing..... sleeping......
 
Why have a rule of you don't follow it? Just scrap it
 
After the way i saw NZ got robbed of a world cup, anythinf else looks small to me

And they changed the rules immediately after to ensure that never happens again. Which is the point of fighting for these things. Kohli said one sentence about soft signal and BCCI immediately implemented change in ipl And pretty sure it will happen in international cricket too

That's why you need to fight
 
One of the greatest knocks in one-day international history was cruelly ended after Pakistan opener Fakhar Zaman was run out in controversial circumstances.

Fakhar played a lone hand as he made 193 in the visitors’ futile pursuit of South Africa’s mammoth score of 6/341, but was chasing the consolation prize of a double century when he was fooled on the first ball of the final over.

Fakhar, who hit 18 fours and 10 sixes in his incredible 155-ball knock that dragged Pakistan to a final score of 9/324, hit Lungi Ngidi’s delivery to the long-on fielder and called for two runs.

But as he returned to the striker’s end for the second, Proteas wicketkeeper Quinton de Kock pointed excitedly towards the nonstriker’s end. Fakhar, distracted, turned his head and the moment of hesitation was enough to cost him his wicket as a direct hit broke the stumps in front of de Kock.

Law 41.5.1 states that “it is unfair for any fielder wilfully to attempt, by word or action, to distract, deceive or obstruct either batsman after the striker has received the ball”, meaning the umpires could have awarded five penalty runs to Pakistan if they’d deemed de Kock’s actions to be deliberate deception or “fake fielding”.

Proteas skipper Temba Bavuma appeared to indicate it was a deliberate move. “It was quite clever from Quinny,” Bavuma said.

“Maybe some people might criticise it for maybe not being in the spirit of the game. But it was an important wicket for us. Zaman was getting close to our target. Yeah, it was clever from Quinny.

“You’ve always got to look for ways especially when things are not going your way, got to find ways to turn momentum around. Quinny did that – I don’t think he broke the rules in any kind of way. It was a clever piece of cricket.”

But Fakhar took responsibility for allowing himself to be distracted.

“The fault was mine as I was too busy looking out for (nonstriker) Haris Rauf at the other end as I felt he’d started off a little late from his crease, so I thought he was in trouble,” he said. “The rest is up to the match referee, but I don’t think it’s Quinton’s fault.”

The game’s laws were changed in 2017 to prevent fielders from attempting to deceive batsman while they’re running between wickets.

Australian batsman Marnus Labuschagne was penalised while playing for Queensland in a one-day game after shaping to throw the ball even though it wasn’t in his hand.

Zaman’s astonishing innings could not prevent South Africa winning the second one-day international by 17 runs in Johannesburg on Sunday.

Pakistan seemed to have no chance when they slumped to 7/205 in the 38th over at the Wanderers Stadium before Fakhar launched an assault.

With only his team’s bowlers to keep him company, the left-handed Fakhar, who was on 97 when Faheem Ashraf was the seventh man out, went on all-out attack.

“It was one of the best innings I have seen in my life,” said Pakistan captain Babar Azam.

“It was an incredible innings, probably the best I have come across,” added South African captain Bavuma. “Everything he tried came off.”

Fakhar, who made a ODI double century against Zimbabwe in 2018, was named man of the match. “I tried my level best,” he said. “That’s my game.

“The wicket was really good, the boundaries were very short and the run rate was going up. I was just hitting the ball.”

South Africa’s win levelled the three-match series.

https://www.news.com.au/sport/crick...t/news-story/1e2af53100806717feb0200f6f4226ff

Yes its clear cheating and Bavuma admitted it, Everyone can see but why can't the umpire, It may or may not have won the match but surely Fakhar could get is double century. Pathetic.
 
There is absolutely no point in pursuing this further. It is good that it was brought up, since umpires will be more diligent with these things henceforth but that game is done.

Focus on winning the next one comfortably so these things don't matter.
 
From now on, if a wicket keeper appeals for a catch on a leg side wide, fine the keeper and award 5 runs to the batsman. If the batsman wasn't distracted by the false appeal, he would have probably run for a single. Instead he was flummoxed by the pesky little keeper from running .

The next time a fielder feigns but never actually hits the stumps while fielding will have his wrists slapped and 5 runs will be awarded to the batsman. That because of the deceit of a throw attempt while the true intention was to never throw.

The next time a short cover fielder runs across but never actually succeeds to stop the ball going to the mid off fielder will be shown his place by awarding 5 runs to the batsman. Because of the fake gesture and the deceit shown by the fielder, the vatsman failed to take a single assuming that the cover fielder would field it.

And so on and on and on
 
The no look pass in some of the greatest sports like basketball, American football, soccer and rugby is usually a great play. And we are complaining that the umpires didn't uphold some obscure law despite the keeper never touching the ball.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Law 41.5.1 states: “It is unfair for any fielder wilfully to attempt, by word or action, to distract, deceive or obstruct either batsman after the striker has received the ball”<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MCCLaws?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MCCLaws</a><a href="https://t.co/gUXoBM9ZJ5">pic.twitter.com/gUXoBM9ZJ5</a></p>— Marylebone Cricket Club (@MCCOfficial) <a href="https://twitter.com/MCCOfficial/status/1378788275373146113?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 4, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Law is clear, with the offence being an ATTEMPT to deceive, rather than the batsman actually being deceived.<br><br>It’s up to the umpires to decide if there was such an attempt. If so, then it's Not out, 5 Penalty runs + the 2 they ran, and batsmen choose who faces next ball.</p>— Marylebone Cricket Club (@MCCOfficial) <a href="https://twitter.com/MCCOfficial/status/1378788276950159361?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 4, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
From now on, if a wicket keeper appeals for a catch on a leg side wide, fine the keeper and award 5 runs to the batsman. If the batsman wasn't distracted by the false appeal, he would have probably run for a single. Instead he was flummoxed by the pesky little keeper from running .

The next time a fielder feigns but never actually hits the stumps while fielding will have his wrists slapped and 5 runs will be awarded to the batsman. That because of the deceit of a throw attempt while the true intention was to never throw.

The next time a short cover fielder runs across but never actually succeeds to stop the ball going to the mid off fielder will be shown his place by awarding 5 runs to the batsman. Because of the fake gesture and the deceit shown by the fielder, the vatsman failed to take a single assuming that the cover fielder would field it.

And so on and on and on

This is a problem in cricket. The game is one sided towards batsmen.

Now with the mcc ruling, its clear that maybe we deserved 7 runs there.
However, i am against this rule as it makes the game way batting friendly.

In baseball there are gimmicks like faking a throw, stealing a base.

In cricket you fake a field throw and we have rules saying otherwise.

The other day an afghani player gave a way a four to keep the batsmen on strike, that also became an issue
 
Man waqar younis is such a fool.

Why the hell did he made a twitter comment? As a coach you had the authority to intervene straight away.
 
If the law is there than it got to be implemented, If you want to allow all of this than remove the law. What is the point of saying its allowed in Rugby or American football, I am sure its allowed by game law to do all this or it doesn't restrict, If they make law to banned it than it will be implemented in rugby and other also.

Issue is not that it should be allowed or not, Issue is that it is called cheating by law and still its not enforced and Fakhar lost his double century (and potentially the match)
 
I'm pretty sure no one was aware the laws.
The South Africans, the Pakistanis and even the umpires. No one had a clue.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Record breaking inning. Simply Outstanding <a href="https://twitter.com/FakharZamanLive?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@FakharZamanLive</a> &#55356;&#56821;&#55356;&#56816;. What about this cheeky giggle from Quinton tells you &#55358;&#56596;? <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/SAvPAK?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#SAvPAK</a> <a href="https://t.co/5HD0sLYTk1">pic.twitter.com/5HD0sLYTk1</a></p>— Waqar Younis (@waqyounis99) <a href="https://twitter.com/waqyounis99/status/1378799845603938304?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 4, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
I'm pretty sure no one was aware the laws.The South Africans, the Pakistanis and even the umpires. No one had a clue.

Exactly what I came to say ! You cannot expect players to know all the rules and it’s interpretations ... but the umpires should have had some idea that it might be wrong and checked with the third umpire!
 
"It wouldn't have changed the result" is an irrelevant argument.

This series is part of WCSL so NRR is very important, as we learned to our cost in 2019 World Cup, so unless we want to be dragged through Qualifiers the management should've paid attention to this recent rule change and lodged a protest during the match.

You know Mickey or Miandad would've gone right into the Match Referee's room and fought our corner. This meek mentality is partly why we've such a poor record against top teams.
 
They are crying over literally one of the most basic aspects of playing cricket i.e running hard to complete a single or double.

Fakhar is himself to blame, why is he listening to what de cock is saying or doing? He needs to reach the other side as fast as possible.

De cock did nothing wrong in my eyes and is apart of banter, and sh*t talking...

Ita fakhars fault he relied on an opponents gestures and noises to judge where the ball was being thrown...

He job was to complete the run as fast as possible and he didnt case closed.

Pakistan wouldnt have won anyways, blame anyone in the top 8 because we are playing like 3 bits and pieces cricketers...
 
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If the umpires saw what happened and deemed it to be deception/fake fielding, it would result in 5 runs to the batting team, in addition to the double Fakhar and Haris ran. Add to that tally the missing 5 runs when the ball hit Bavuma's bat, and all of a sudden, you have a formidable score to chase down, especially given that Fakhar would be on strike.

If the rules exist, these matters must be brought up so that there is some consistency in the umpiring.
 
It was unethical from de kock. If pakistan felt it was illegal they should have intervened immediately.
 
"It wouldn't have changed the result" is an irrelevant argument.

This series is part of WCSL so NRR is very important, as we learned to our cost in 2019 World Cup, so unless we want to be dragged through Qualifiers the management should've paid attention to this recent rule change and lodged a protest during the match.

You know Mickey or Miandad would've gone right into the Match Referee's room and fought our corner. This meek mentality is partly why we've such a poor record against top teams.

Agreed. Miandad would have ripped the referee apart.
I can only imagine with Ravi Shastri and Kohli would do in such situation, especially Ravi Shastri.
 
It was clear deception but I don't know if it is against the cricket laws as De Cock did not even look at Fakhar but it was very clear from De Cock that he deliberately did that to see if Fakhar takes the bait or not which he did. Fakhar would have still been out though
 
Should have intervened then, shows you how clueless our management staff actually is about the laws of the game. No awareness at all.

Not to say, the umpiring and match referees have become too lazy in last few years.

I remember Chris Broad was very proactive.
 
South Africa’s wicketkeeper-batsman Quinton de Kock is likely to not be penalized or fined after the run out incident involving Pakistan’s opener Fakhar Zaman, during the second One-Day International (ODI) between the sides at the Wanderers Stadium on Sunday, since a written complaint is yet to be submitted regarding the matter.

A source within the team management confirmed that while Team Manager Mansoor Rana spoke to match referee Andy Pycroft, a written complaint was not submitted.

According to the rules, questionable actions need to be brought forward through a written complaint to the match referee. The match referee holds the authority to fine Quinton de Kock for his actions if a written complaint is submitted.

Since the written complaint has not been submitted it is unlikely that the South African wicketkeeper-batsman is in danger of being fined. The rules dictate that a team has 24 hours to lodge a written complaint after a match has finished.

https://cricketpakistan.com.pk/en/n...complaint-after-fakhars-controversial-run-out
 
South Africa’s wicketkeeper-batsman Quinton de Kock is likely to not be penalized or fined after the run out incident involving Pakistan’s opener Fakhar Zaman, during the second One-Day International (ODI) between the sides at the Wanderers Stadium on Sunday, since a written complaint is yet to be submitted regarding the matter.

A source within the team management confirmed that while Team Manager Mansoor Rana spoke to match referee Andy Pycroft, a written complaint was not submitted.

According to the rules, questionable actions need to be brought forward through a written complaint to the match referee. The match referee holds the authority to fine Quinton de Kock for his actions if a written complaint is submitted.

Since the written complaint has not been submitted it is unlikely that the South African wicketkeeper-batsman is in danger of being fined. The rules dictate that a team has 24 hours to lodge a written complaint after a match has finished.

https://cricketpakistan.com.pk/en/n...complaint-after-fakhars-controversial-run-out

Disappointing.
Should have submitted a written complaint for no future repeat.
 
Waqar should be more concerned about why Pakistan isn't producing reliable bowlers.

South Africa isn't a strong team anymore, they have a new captain and they're not a mentally strong side. Pakistan should have won these two matches comfortably. What's the point of having a player like Fakhar or players like Babar, Rizwan, Shadab and Shaheen if performances aren't translating into team victories.
 
The time for making a fuss was on-field, at that time even if it resulted in no action. The least Fakhar could have done was appeal, and get the umpires involved. Or a signal could have come out from the dressing room asking Fakhar to stay on the field until the umpires intervened. Any big three team would have gone for it.

No point taking any action now. Lazy bums are always left behind to wonder.
 
Waqar should be more concerned about why Pakistan isn't producing reliable bowlers.

South Africa isn't a strong team anymore, they have a new captain and they're not a mentally strong side. Pakistan should have won these two matches comfortably. What's the point of having a player like Fakhar or players like Babar, Rizwan, Shadab and Shaheen if performances aren't translating into team victories.

Most bowlers in current flat decks will be like this. Did you see how bad SA bowlers bowled? Absolutely zero application and variation other than Nortje.
 
Most bowlers of average teams will be like this but not from a team that has a reputation of brilliant fast bowlers and a bowling coach who is one of the leading wicket takers in the game.

If South Africa is average it doesn't mean it's ok for Pakistan to be average too. In any case SA were better than Pakistan because they managed to get most good batsmen out early on - it was just a one man show for Pakistan.
 
Imagine if Mickey Arthur had been in the Pakistan dressing room.

He would have sprinted into the match referees room straight away :)
 
You know Mickey or Miandad would've gone right into the Match Referee's room and fought our corner. This meek mentality is partly why we've such a poor record against top teams.

On a lighter note, what QDK did was exactly the kind of cheeky stunt that Miandad himself used to pull off in his playing days.
 
Lol the PCB, Pakistani team management did nothing when Stuart Broad deliberately broke Zulqarnain Haiders finger in 2010, do you really think they will do something serious and aggressive here?
 
It was up to Fakhar to make his ground as fast as he could, regardless of what the fielders were communicating to each other. That applies to any batsman and delivery.

This should be diffused in a few days. If QdK is punished, it's yet another example of the ICC front-loading all the rules in favour of the batsman.
 
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