Pakistan to India mass migration - Part II

[yeh cheez]

After the independence of the two countries; Islamic Republic of Pakistan and Republic of India, there was a mass migration of people from both sides of the border as Muslims from India moved to Pakistan and Non-Muslims from Pakistan moved to India.

The Non-Muslims who stayed back in Pakistan would have never envisioned a rapidly Talibanizing Pakistan of today. The Pakistan constitution has made Non-Muslim citizens as second-class, and as Pakistanis continue the slide towards more Sharia as a solution to their problems, things are bound to only get worse.

Ideally there would be a 2 year window at the Punjab border for families to cross over. At the border they would have to prove that they are victims of Apartheid, meaning Non-Muslim citizens (this would include Ahmedis as per the definition of Pak Govt.).

India's population is 1.3 billion, the population of Pakistani Non-Muslims is ~4 million, a drop in the ocean considering there are 20 million illegal Bangladeshis living in India today. Also, not every single Non-Muslim from Pakistan will want to or will be able to migrate, so the numbers should not be an issue.

Would India be generous enough to open its border and give a second chance to the persecuted Non-Muslims of Pakistan to cross over and live a life free of apartheid?

 

[CricketCartoons]

Pakistani Hindus 'unwelcome' in India.

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/fe...indus-unwelcome-india-201421063012210386.html

 

[Slog]

now this is trolling and you are losing your credibility bro.

 

[yeh cheez]

Pakistani Hindus 'unwelcome' in India.

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/fe...indus-unwelcome-india-201421063012210386.html

I am aware that it has been the case so far.

Its time for a specific program by India to help Pakistani Non-Muslims desperately in need to secure a safe present and future for themselves and their future generations.

 

[yeh cheez]

now this is trolling and you are losing your credibility bro.

I'm actually quite serious. If you were a Non-Muslim Pakistani you would understand where I am coming from.

 

[Slog]

I'm actually quite serious. If you were a Non-Muslim Pakistani you would understand where I am coming from.

my best friends are non muslim pakistanis and i know them more than my own family so please dont give me fake lectures

 

[yeh cheez]

If I tell my Pakistani Muslim brothers about our plight, they ask; "But do you feel discriminated?". Ofcourse I do, the constitution does not give me equal rights. Its like a Saudi man telling his wife; I give you all luxuries in life why do you care about driving a car or being able to get a passport without my permission.

Unfortunately these words from Jinnah have fallen on deaf ears.

 

[Slog]

not that majority non muslims even care abt this particular issue but whats your solution or what do you want?

youve repeated this on PP atleast 50 times in the past month

what do you plan to achieve by spamming PP in this sense.

if its such an issue then maybe do sth practical so it gets in the media atleast.

if the catholic church or any other non muslim community organizes a protest in front of Press Club trust me me and a lot of my friends will show up

 

[yeh cheez]

not that majority non muslims even care abt this particular issue but whats your solution or what do you want?

youve repeated this on PP atleast 50 times in the past month

what do you plan to achieve by spamming PP in this sense.

if its such an issue then maybe do sth practical so it gets in the media atleast.

if the catholic church or any other non muslim community organizes a protest in front of Press Club trust me me and a lot of my friends will show up

I dont see any support here, which I assume all internet users are educated. If educated people do not support equal rights why would the uneducated masses in Pakistan?

Also, for Pakistanis giving equal rights to a Non-Muslim is an attack on Islam.

We do not live in Jinnah's Pakistan, we live in Zia's Pakistan, which will soon become Taliban's Pakistan.

 

[Slog]

I dont see any support here, which I assume all internet users are educated. If educated people do not support equal rights why would the uneducated masses in Pakistan?

Also, for Pakistanis giving equal rights to a Non-Muslim is an attack on Islam.

We do not live in Jinnah's Pakistan, we live in Zia's Pakistan, which will soon become Taliban's Pakistan.

poor logic with no basis

 

[yeh cheez]

poor logic with no basis

It's considered a dirty word by Pakistanis; Secularism.

 

[Slog]

It's considered a dirty word by Pakistanis; Secularism.

what Pakistanis?

for someone from my school you exhibt very little sense.

generalization much?

 

[yeh cheez]

btw I remember asking my father many years back as to why my grandparents stayed back in Pakistan and not move to India, and his response was; "because Pakistan was just as good as India back then", unfortunately that is not the case anymore and I would like Minorities to have the opportunity to escape before Jizya and other forms of slavery are instituted on them.

 

[yeh cheez]

what Pakistanis?

for someone from my school you exhibt very little sense.

generalization much?

I do admire your support for equal rights for all citizens of Pakistan, but you are the only voice so far.

Taliban and other Islamic groups not just in Pakistan but around the world are fighting to bring in Sharia, if Pakistani Islamic groups find out that there is even a chance of Non-Muslims getting equal rights, there will be riots and mass killings.

Pakistan can go forward with its experiment of more Sharia, but if the Minorities have one last chance to escape then its fair if the ones left behind are made subjugated citizens.

 

[Slog]

btw I remember asking my father many years back as to why my grandparents stayed back in Pakistan and not move to India, and his response was; "because Pakistan was just as good as India back then", unfortunately that is not the case anymore and I would like Minorities to have the opportunity to escape before Jizya and other forms of slavery are instituted on them.

i know christians who came from inda to pakistan lol

in any case muslims and christians arent exactly living in heaven in india either with ghar waapsi and whatnot these days

 

[CricketCartoons]

i know christians who came from inda to pakistan lol

in any case muslims and christians arent exactly living in heaven in india either with ghar waapsi and whatnot these days

What is wrong with ghar waapsi? evangelism is not a crime.

 

[Buffet]

OP - so if in the next 20 years India does bad and Pakistan does well then you will ask for mass migration from India to Pakistan? It's history and no more mass migration is going to happen. Anyway, migration was horrible based on what I have read. Millions were slaughtered.

 

[yeh cheez]

OP - so if in the next 20 years India does bad and Pakistan does well then you will ask for mass migration from India to Pakistan? It's history and no more mass migration is going to happen. Anyway, migration was horrible based on what I have read. Millions were slaughtered.

In India's history they have given refuge to; Jews (who recently moved to Israel) , Christians (Amul founder -the Milkman of India is from that community), and Parsis (original Persians). This was before modern day secular India was founded and since then none of them have been driven out.

Unfortunately Pakistan is an Islamic State, and for a Muslim; Islam comes before even his own father, let alone a Non-Muslim. No Muslim country gives equal rights to Non-Muslims, and it's only going to get worse with more Sharia.

 

[Slog]

In India's history they have given refuge to; Jews (who recently moved to Israel) , Christians (Amul founder -the Milkman of India is from that community), and Parsis (original Persians). This was before modern day secular India was founded and since then none of them have been driven out.

Unfortunately Pakistan is an Islamic State, and for a Muslim; Islam comes before even his own father, let alone a Non-Muslim. No Muslim country gives equal rights to Non-Muslims, and it's only going to get worse with more Sharia.

its really funny how you totally ignore the Sikh persecution in the 80s. Muslim massacres.

you are a joke of a poster really

 

[Slog]

its intellectually stimulating if there is reasoned and logical points put forward by someone rather than what this poster does.

You do know how many Goans came to Karachi from India after the Indian army operation and annexation of Goa right. Conveniently missed that out aswell which is sth you should know very well.

i never claimed that Pak is great for minorities. But your insistence on slagging Pakistan (rightly) but glorifying indian treatment of minorities is laughable and sth i cant take seriously knowing hstory

 

[yeh cheez]

its really funny how you totally ignore the Sikh persecution in the 80s. Muslim massacres.

you are a joke of a poster really

I am not saying India's history is all rosy, it's all relative, just a better option for some.

 

[Slog]

I am not saying India's history is all rosy, it's all relative, just a better option for some.

then this thread has no basis

if the thread was maybe a scandinavian country or australia or whoever granting asylum or whatever to the persecuted minorities then it would still make some sense

but the fact that you brought india into it as an alternative really shows that you are not up for serious discussion and are just ignorant at best or have some hidden agenda or are trolling at worst

 

[CricketCartoons]

then this thread has no basis

if the thread was maybe a scandinavian country or australia or whoever granting asylum or whatever to the persecuted minorities then it would still make some sense

but the fact that you brought india into it as an alternative really shows that you are not up for serious discussion and are just ignorant at best or have some hidden agenda or are trolling at worst

So even you will decide where someone should migrate to? I think another migration is a good idea. Let those who think Pakistan is better for them move away from India, and let those who think India is better come to India. Why do you want to impose your belief on where one should migrate?

 

[CricketCartoons]

Such a good topic which has been derailed by slog's trolling. His only gripe is how come someone think india is better, even if slightly? These kinds of intolerant people are the reason india and pakistan are so backward. They cant accept someone having a different opinion and want to kill down any dissenting voice.

 

[yeh cheez]

then this thread has no basis

if the thread was maybe a scandinavian country or australia or whoever granting asylum or whatever to the persecuted minorities then it would still make some sense

but the fact that you brought india into it as an alternative really shows that you are not up for serious discussion and are just ignorant at best or have some hidden agenda or are trolling at worst

Poor uneducated people in mass numbers cannot migrate to the countries you listed, hence India.

 

[Slog]

So even you will decide where someone should migrate to? I think another migration is a good idea. Let those who think Pakistan is better for them move away from India, and let those who think India is better come to India. Why do you want to impose your belief on where one should migrate?

if you could read and comprehend you wouldnt need to ask this question

but as you dont seem to have the ability or get a kick out of trollng let me lay out regardless.

Pakistan doesnt treat it minorities especially well. So the need to maybe leave Pakistan might arise for some of the minorities in this hypothetical scenario. They will preferably migrate to a country or seek asylum in a country where this is not an issue.

But the OP wants to migrate to India which has a less than stellar record itself. And this country also happens to be a rival country whose minorities have migrated to Pakistan (Muslims and Portugese descent Christians from Goa). And he is painting this country as some sort of heaven for minorities which it clearly isnt and the OP knows full well and has also admitted.

So if he proposes that the allegedly persecuted Pakstani minorities migrate to India (rather than countries i mentioned) in this hypothetical scenario considering he had a pick of whatever country he wanted it clearly points out to the fact that his agenda is not wanting the best for the minorities but rather to score some personal points

 

[Slog]

Such a good topic which has been derailed by slog's trolling. His only gripe is how come someone think india is better, even if slightly? These kinds of intolerant people are the reason india and pakistan are so backward. They cant accept someone having a different opinion and want to kill down any dissenting voice.

no.

in a hypothetical scenario you want the best possible solution.

so why pick india rather than a country which will guarantee minority rights?

 

[Slog]

Poor uneducated people in mass numbers cannot migrate to the countries you listed, hence India.

They cant migrate to india either.

 

[CricketCartoons]

if you could read and comprehend you wouldnt need to ask this question

but as you dont seem to have the ability or get a kick out of trollng let me lay out regardless.

Pakistan doesnt treat it minorities especially well. So the need to maybe leave Pakistan might arise for some of the minorities in this hypothetical scenario. They will preferably migrate to a country or seek asylum in a country where this is not an issue.

But the OP wants to migrate to India which has a less than stellar record itself. And this country also happens to be a rival country whose minorities have migrated to Pakistan (Muslims and Portugese descent Christians from Goa). And he is painting this country as some sort of heaven for minorities which it clearly isnt and the OP knows full well and has also admitted.

So if he proposes that the allegedly persecuted Pakstani minorities migrate to India (rather than countries i mentioned) in this hypothetical scenario considering he had a pick of whatever country he wanted it clearly points out to the fact that his agenda is not wanting the best for the minorities but rather to score some personal points

So what is your problem if the OP thinks India is more suitable for him and his likes. Why should he or anyone follow your idea of where one should migrate to? Seems you cant digest people having different opinions and resort to calling them trolls. But the only troll in this thread is you. And I thought you were one of the few progressive voices here

 

[CricketCartoons]

no.

in a hypothetical scenario you want the best possible solution.

so why pick india rather than a country which will guarantee minority rights?

Why call someone a troll just because he picks india over pakistan? Why undergarments in a twist over a hypothical wish?

really..nationalism and patriotism is last refuge of the scoundrel.

 

[Slog]

While [MENTION=138541]yeh cheez[/MENTION] 's gripes and grievances regarding treatment of Pakistani minorities are legitimate and trust me I know more abt them than atleast 99% of posters on the forum his way of going about them is terrible and has no basis n logic or reasoned thinking unfortunately

 

[yeh cheez]

I have already said that Pakistan used to be a good country at its founding, but is now an Islamic Republic.
[MENTION=138463]Slog[/MENTION] I don't know if you did all your schooling in Pak, but the school books I studied from were pretty Islamized.

Pakistan has regressed too far to turn back the tide.

 

[Slog]

Why call someone a troll just because he picks india over pakistan? Why undergarments in a twist over a hypothical wish?

really..nationalism and patriotism is last refuge of the scoundrel.

you might not believe me and i dont need you to believe me but hm picking specifically India is not an issue with me in the slightest.

Any country x,y,z with India's record is an issue

whether Pakistan has a rivalry with india or not and what my opinions on it are irrelevant in this debate

 

[CricketCartoons]

you might not believe me and i dont need you to believe me but hm picking specifically India is not an issue with me in the slightest.

Any country x,y,z with India's record is an issue

whether Pakistan has a rivalry with india or not and what my opinions on it are irrelevant in this debate

But why is it an issue for you which country he wants to migrate to? whether it is saudi arabia, norway or india? Why should he adhere to YOUR choice of country otherwise be labelled as a troll?

 

[Slog]

I have already said that Pakistan used to be a good country at its founding, but is now an Islamic Republic.
[MENTION=138463]Slog[/MENTION] I don't know if you did all your schooling in Pak, but the school books I studied from were pretty Islamized.

Pakistan has regressed too far to turn back the tide.

what do you base this claim? i tend to mostly agree with it unfortunately but i think it depends on regions but still interested why do you say that and when the same has happened with other countries and they have emerged from it

 

[yeh cheez]

While [MENTION=138541]yeh cheez[/MENTION] 's gripes and grievances regarding treatment of Pakistani minorities are legitimate and trust me I know more abt them than atleast 99% of posters on the forum his way of going about them is terrible and has no basis n logic or reasoned thinking unfortunately

If you feel your Pakistani Non Muslim friends never said the things I mention. Well let me tell you this, no one will. It's just too risky a topic for us to approach.

I don't talk about this stuff with my friends either.

 

[Slog]

But why is it an issue for you which country he wants to migrate to? whether it is saudi arabia, norway or india? Why should he adhere to YOUR choice of country otherwise be labelled as a troll?

its a forum. we are debating. thats how its works

the pick he makes for a country should have some sound logic behind it which does not seem to be the case in this instance at all

 

[CricketCartoons]

its a forum. we are debating. thats how its works

the pick he makes for a country should have some sound logic behind it which does not seem to be the case in this instance at all

we are debating by calling others with different views as trolls. so this is what a debate means for you.

Why didn't you ask for his logic first. Your first comment was to come and label him a troll. Waah waah..this is debating!!

 

[Slog]

If you feel your Pakistani Non Muslim friends never said the things I mention. Well let me tell you this, no one will. It's just too risky a topic for us to approach.

I don't talk about this stuff with my friends either.

we talked abt a lot of stuff. we are close close friends. very open. no discussion was off topic

for them the not being able to become president/pm was a non issue and sth they didnt have enough of a priority to sweat over.

they did complain abt being not being so warmly welcomed or invited to some social events but as far as professional or academic pursuits are concerned they genuinely believe that them not being muslims has not been a major hindrance.

it is most likely very different in the villages and the uneducated localities is where the problem arises. but my point is that, lke majority of the country's problems, is a sympptom of lack of education and jahaalat rather than any inherent belief in the society n regards to persecuting non muslims

 

[Buffet]

In India's history they have given refuge to; Jews (who recently moved to Israel) , Christians (Amul founder -the Milkman of India is from that community), and Parsis (original Persians). This was before modern day secular India was founded and since then none of them have been driven out.

Unfortunately Pakistan is an Islamic State, and for a Muslim; Islam comes before even his own father, let alone a Non-Muslim. No Muslim country gives equal rights to Non-Muslims, and it's only going to get worse with more Sharia.

OK, I will play along.

Hypothetically, if Christians demand and get a separate country in US then likelihood of minorities having a good prospect as a group in that country is not very bright over the long term. Specially if millions of Christians and non-Christians get slaughtered when new country is getting formed based on Christianity. It doesn't take a rocket science to figure out that if you are a non-christian then you are likely to be better off going somewhere else.

Now if some folks still decide to stay there then it's their personal decision. Do you think that it's practical to have a mass migration of non-Christians out of that country after 80-100 years? It will never happen in normal circumstances.

Before modern India came in existence, Pakistan was part of the same India. So it's not really about India or Pakistan. Logical thinking, all minorities should have simply vacated Pakistan. If basis of formation is religion then country is likely to go in certain direction over the long term. That's a natural outcome.

Also, any kind of mass migration based on religion may create the same scenario as what happened 50 years ago. Millions may get slaughtered in India and Pakistan. Intention of any group moving from one side to another will a side issue. Main issue will be violence as soon as any mass migration talk starts. Folks don't have to even migrate but violence may start as soon as any talk about migration based on religion takes place.

I personally don't like this nationhood concept that much but it's reality and all of us have to live with it. We have restricted movement and some groups may face extra trouble in certain parts of the worked but mass migration is not going to happen for millions of people. You could think about it if numbers were in 100-200K. Why limit to India, you could talk about many countries taking minorities. Many countries have been doing it by giving asylum to folks from all parts of world. But 5-6M is too big a number. You are not going to move such numbers without causing side effect. That side effect will kill too many folks.

 

[Slog]

we are debating by calling others with different views as trolls. so this is what a debate means for you.

Why didn't you ask for his logic first. Your first comment was to come and label him a troll. Waah waah..this is debating!!

we have had a debate on different threads and this was just following on from that. and we have had a fairly civilized debate from that point.

dont butt in when you dont know the context

 

[CricketCartoons]

we talked abt a lot of stuff. we are close close friends. very open. no discussion was off topic

for them the not being able to become president/pm was a non issue and sth they didnt have enough of a priority to sweat over.

they did complain abt being not being so warmly welcomed or invited to some social events but as far as professional or academic pursuits are concerned they genuinely believe that them not being muslims has not been a major hindrance.

it is most likely very different in the villages and the uneducated localities is where the problem arises. but my point is that, lke majority of the country's problems, is a sympptom of lack of education and jahaalat rather than any inherent belief in the society n regards to persecuting non muslims

Sorry for bursting your bubble. It is very much possible for a minority to thrive and be successful in pakistan or india. but there are also non negligible number who feel persecuted and unsafe. india may be as worse as pakistan, but of late there have been migrations from pakistan to india. so OP's view has a basis. You may call those who recently migrated from pakistan, as trolls or people with unsound logic, but it is all about their threat perception. easy for you to give fatwas on where one should migrate to sitting safely in US.

 

[CricketCartoons]

we have had a debate on different threads and this was just following on from that. and we have had a fairly civilized debate from that point.

dont butt in when you dont know the context

So you calling him a troll without asking for his logic, was continuation of a previous debate where he expressed this idea of mass migration?

I will butt in a debate. This is a forum, not a private chit chat. And this is how it works.

 

[Slog]

Sorry for bursting your bubble. It is very much possible for a minority to thrive and be successful in pakistan or india. but there are also non negligible number who feel persecuted and unsafe. india may be as worse as pakistan, but of late there have been migrations from pakistan to india. so OP's view has a basis. You may call those who recently migrated from pakistan, as trolls or people with unsound logic, but it is all about their threat perception. easy for you to give fatwas on where one should migrate to sitting safely in US.

while i appreciate the effort the post doesnt really tie into the point of the thread and the discussion we are having.

secondly full marks for an attempted personal attack but again you are wrong on that part in terms of the assumptions you make.

 

[Slog]

So you calling him a troll without asking for his logic, was continuation of a previous debate where he expressed this idea of mass migration?

I will butt in a debate. This is a forum, not a private chit chat. And this is how it works.

yes generally

and you are welcome to butt in but if you dont know the context then its not anyone;s responsibility to bring you upto speed with it

 

[Buffet]

I have already said that Pakistan used to be a good country at its founding, but is now an Islamic Republic.

Wasn't it a natural outcome for a country formed on basis of Islam?

 

[CricketCartoons]

while i appreciate the effort the post doesnt really tie into the point of the thread and the discussion we are having.

secondly full marks for an attempted personal attack but again you are wrong on that part in terms of the assumptions you make.

Ok KK bhai. Now I will take your leave. Apologies for any personal remarks..but sometimes i post because i like the sound of those words, not necessarily because i mean them.

 

[JaDed]

its intellectually stimulating if there is reasoned and logical points put forward by someone rather than what this poster does.

You do know how many Goans came to Karachi from India after the Indian army operation and annexation of Goa right. Conveniently missed that out aswell which is sth you should know very well.

i never claimed that Pak is great for minorities. But your insistence on slagging Pakistan (rightly) but glorifying indian treatment of minorities is laughable and sth i cant take seriously knowing hstory

Goans?You mean Portuguese?Coz Goans are living in Goa and speak the language as well and not Portuguese.But i do agree on your point its not rosy for India and we defn shouldn't be a landmark but our forefathers made a great constitution which wasn't discriminatory.A catholic becoming a leader of ruling party with a Muslim President and a Sikh Prime Ministers are things which are possible here.But yeah defn India shouldn't be a landmark on this situation and u r right Scandinavian countries are rightly so.Would include Netherlands as well.

 

[Slog]

Sorry for bursting your bubble. It is very much possible for a minority to thrive and be successful in pakistan or india. but there are also non negligible number who feel persecuted and unsafe. india may be as worse as pakistan, but of late there have been migrations from pakistan to india. so OP's view has a basis. You may call those who recently migrated from pakistan, as trolls or people with unsound logic, but it is all about their threat perception. easy for you to give fatwas on where one should migrate to sitting safely in US.

secondly you clearly seem to be not reading posts

the post you quoted is part of my personal experience and the context to it is that we went to the same school where minorities are significant in number compared to any other school in the city. the same school is run by the church. so again theres a little thing called context

 

[JaDed]

I have already said that Pakistan used to be a good country at its founding, but is now an Islamic Republic.
[MENTION=138463]Slog[/MENTION] I don't know if you did all your schooling in Pak, but the school books I studied from were pretty Islamized.

Pakistan has regressed too far to turn back the tide.

It was made an Islamic Republic early on sorry to say but the fault lies in your grandparents who couldn't see the outcome.Most thought they would rule like the noble Caliphs of early centuries but that's not how politics works.

 

[Slog]

Ok KK bhai. Now I will take your leave. Apologies for any personal remarks..but sometimes i post because i like the sound of those words, not necessarily because i mean them.

i know this is a troll post.

but in either case. my gripe with the thread in general was that the OP approached the topic (a legitimate one and one which embarasses me on a personal level every day) by making it incendiary and provocative by hs approach which has a weak logic to begin with

 

[Slog]

It was made an Islamic Republic early on sorry to say but the fault lies in your grandparents who couldn't see the outcome.Most thought they would rule like the noble Caliphs of early centuries but that's not how politics works.

no it wasnt

it became an Islamic republic in '73-'74

 

[Slog]

Goans?You mean Portuguese?Coz Goans are living in Goa and speak the language as well and not Portuguese.l.

lot of them migrated to karachi (or i guess other countries too) when the indian operation started.

majority of these wanted goa to remain seperate from India

 

[CricketCartoons]

i know this is a troll post.

but in either case. my gripe with the thread in general was that the OP approached the topic (a legitimate one and one which embarasses me on a personal level every day) by making it incendiary and provocative by hs approach which has a weak logic to begin with

No..That was the most genuine post.

Fully agree with you. While the OP raises legitimate concerns, his method is provocative. Sometimes I think he is the pakistani jew himself. That way he loses support of pakistanis (like you) who share the concern but are put off with the broad brush he uses to paint everyone, from muslims and islam as bad.

 

[JaDed]

lot of them migrated to karachi (or i guess other countries too) when the indian operation started.

majority of these wanted goa to remain seperate from India

Majority? The majority asked India to intervene and take Goa back.Hatred for Portuguese is well seen in Goa even now when i go.They hate them in football and all sports.Ground Realities are so different.Majority=75% not 10%.

 

[Buffet]

[MENTION=136588]CricketCartoons[/MENTION] - I have seen [MENTION=138463]Slog[/MENTION] posts in this topic earlier. He is aware of issues and admits it. Many posters will simply troll when it comes to subjects like this because they are not impacted by this but I haven't seen Slog trolling. Sure, as Pakistani he will feel bad and as he said, reactions may come out with some angry posts due to the way some discussions start here.

 

[JaDed]

no it wasnt

it became an Islamic republic in '73-'74

Promulgation of Constitution in 1956 lead to Pakistan declaring itself Islamic republic (official name) with the adoption of parliamentary democratic system of government. The constitution transformed the Governor-General of Pakistan into President of Pakistan (as head of state).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Pakistan

 

[Slog]

Majority? The majority asked India to intervene and take Goa back.Hatred for Portuguese is well seen in Goa even now when i go.They hate them in football and all sports.Ground Realities are so different.Majority=75% not 10%.

abay bhai...

majority as in the majority of those who came to Pakistan.

who numbered not more than a few thousand in my estimation

 

[JaDed]

abay bhai...

majority as in the majority of those who came to Pakistan.

who numbered not more than a few thousand in my estimation

Oh ok bhai got it.Ofcourse everyone won't agree.

 

[Slog]

Promulgation of Constitution in 1956 lead to Pakistan declaring itself Islamic republic (official name) with the adoption of parliamentary democratic system of government. The constitution transformed the Governor-General of Pakistan into President of Pakistan (as head of state).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Pakistan

Islam was not the state religion till 1973

 

[JaDed]

Islam was not the state religion till 1973

The foundation stone for it was laid long back.If India anyday puts a Hindu word next to its republic we all would know what its gonna become.

 

[kaayal]

At OP, India has a lot of problem of our own, it's not like we are miles better. Your grandparents decided to stay in Pakistan in 1947 because of love of your land. You should be loyal to your country no matter how much slump you are in now. If your life is in threat now,get a visa and move out to any country.

 

[junaid.ahmed]

I'm actually quite serious. If you were a Non-Muslim Pakistani you would understand where I am coming from.

why dnt you try yourself to get out of Pakistan, we pakistanis too dnt want peoples like you to live here

khatay yahan ka hein gatay wahan ka hein

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Dear cheez,

I wish you good luck in your endeavour to move to India, may God grant that nation the mercy and kindness to fulfil your wish. Do let us know how you get on, and see if you can get a ticket for Mamoon as well.

 

[90MPH]

I have said this a number of times - I have Pakistani Christian friends who show more passion and patriotism for Pakistan than a lot of the Muslims ones I know.

And of course they want better treatment as no doubt the really poor especially are vulernable to mistreatment but obviously there is always hope and optimism that things will get better.

And if you want to migrate then migrate and have a better life, no probs.
But please don't pretend you speak for all minorities. You only speak for yourself.

 

[RexRex]

We understand your problems yehcheez.We'll be glad to have you over anytime

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

We understand your problems yehcheez.We'll be glad to have you over anytime

Talk is cheap Rex bro. Tickets and visas are what is needed. There are a couple of million Afghan refugees who could do with such a welcome also. Please help them.

 

[cricketjoshila]

I am aware that it has been the case so far.

Its time for a specific program by India to help Pakistani Non-Muslims desperately in need to secure a safe present and future for themselves and their future generations.

Let us first take care of our own country and people and then do Thekedaari of the world.Pakistanis are Pakistanis irrespective of their religion and their responsibility is of Pak Govt.

 

[cricketjoshila]

why dnt you try yourself to get out of Pakistan, we pakistanis too dnt want peoples like you to live here

khatay yahan ka hein gatay wahan ka hein

Dont treat them better.Ask them to get out.WOW!

 

[CricketCartoons]

Dont treat them better.Ask them to get out.WOW!

Even you want me to move over to Bangladesh.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Even you want me to move over to Bangladesh.

I want all illegal Bangladeshis to leave my country and go to their own country,which is legally the correct thing.

 

[CricketCartoons]

I want all illegal Bangladeshis to leave my country and go to their own country,which is legally the correct thing.

But I am a legal citizen of India. Only a less patriotic than you.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Dont treat them better.Ask them to get out.WOW!

Is that the advice you gave to Indian University authorities that kicked out students for cheering Pakistan in a cricket game? I recall something quite different.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Is that the advice you gave to Indian University authorities that kicked out students for cheering Pakistan in a cricket game? I recall something quite different.

Were those guys mistreated at the Uni first or did they start their pitiful behaviour first?

Indian law doesnt discriminate based on religion.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Were those guys mistreated at the Uni first or did they start their pitiful behaviour first?

Indian law doesnt discriminate based on religion.

Yes I get it. Indian law is quite firm on cheering only the home nation in a cricket match. This is the advice you wish to pass on to Mr Cheez as well no doubt. Wave the Pakistan flag with pride rather than cheering the opposition. Or maybe not. I am confused.

 

[RexRex]

Talk is cheap Rex bro. Tickets and visas are what is needed. There are a couple of million Afghan refugees who could do with such a welcome also. Please help them.

I was being polite , I didn't really mean it ..unless they're a couple of fast bowlers.
The last thing the place needs is more inflow from across the border especially with the current government's whining about how the demographics are being changed.. leave alone the lack of resources..

 

[cricketjoshila]

Yes I get it. Indian law is quite firm on cheering only the home nation in a cricket match. This is the advice you wish to pass on to Mr Cheez as well no doubt. Wave the Pakistan flag with pride rather than cheering the opposition. Or maybe not. I am confused.

I have already said what i want to tell him in my post that quoted him.Pakistani citizens irrespective of religion is Pak Govt. responsibility.India should bother about its own citizens and not Pakistanis.

 

[yeh cheez]

Dear cheez,

I wish you good luck in your endeavour to move to India, may God grant that nation the mercy and kindness to fulfil your wish. Do let us know how you get on, and see if you can get a ticket for Mamoon as well.

Mamoon should stay back, the few good men left should try and steer the ship back in the right direction.

 

[junaid.ahmed]

Dont treat them better.Ask them to get out.WOW!

I realized later that I was wrong, I shouldnt be harsh anyway I highly apologize

 

[yeh cheez]

I was being polite , I didn't really mean it ..unless they're a couple of fast bowlers.
The last thing the place needs is more inflow from across the border especially with the current government's whining about how the demographics are being changed.. leave alone the lack of resources..

Please read the OP, we are smaller in numbers than the illegal Bangladeshis in India.