Pakistan to play in ICC world leagues only if India honours MoU

[IMMY69]

If thats the case then how did BCCI managed to get most lucrative cricket brodcast deal in history?

Your post is far from reality.

I’ll keep saying this until i’m Blue in the face.

Look at your population and then compare to the rest of cricketing nations..
There’s your billions of dollars in revenue. Still, it’s shocking how bad India is at cricket considering the massive advantages it has.

 

[daytrader]

Awesome work Najam Sethi! Please continue to remind these Indians of what they owe to Pakistan. No point of entering any joint venture with them if they don't honour their words

 

[90MPH]

I’ll keep saying this until i’m Blue in the face.

Look at your population and then compare to the rest of cricketing nations..
There’s your billions of dollars in revenue. Still, it’s shocking how bad India is at cricket considering the massive advantages it has.

I have said this so many times but they deflect onto something else.

 

[cricketjoshila]

PCB has not once discussed what was in the MOU. All they say is they had an agreement..you guys are assuming PCB is accusing the BCCI. Do you really think Najam Sethi, a PHD from Cambridge hasn't read the MOU?

I'm sorry your legal knowledge isn't great. A court has power if it has JURISDICTION...PCB is looking at all areas to get the most it can out of this situation...it might be the legal route..it might be something else.

Why are Indians so hurt every time Pakistan mulls its options on this issue? And you're right we will twist what we can..just like you guys SNAKED us to get the vote. Why blame the PCB for looking out for itself when BCCI does the same?

Sethi holds a masters degree from Cambridge and not Phd. The guy who was heading BCCI owns and runs a billion dollar business, he handles people like Sethi day in and day out. He has far more experience in running businesses than any Najam Sethi.LOL.

So your Cambridge graduate Sethi didnt check which court has jurisdiction in this matter?

You can keep twisting in vaccum. You have no leverage on India. BCCI doesnt need to play Pakistan.

 

[cricketjoshila]

I’ll keep saying this until i’m Blue in the face.

Look at your population and then compare to the rest of cricketing nations..
There’s your billions of dollars in revenue. Still, it’s shocking how bad India is at cricket considering the massive advantages it has.

Pakistan has the 2nd highest population.By your logic PCB should be the second richest board?Isnt it?

We are still above Pakistan in most rankings.Worry about your own team.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Awesome work Najam Sethi! Please continue to remind these Indians of what they owe to Pakistan. No point of entering any joint venture with them if they don't honour their words

India owes Pakistan Nothing.

 

[daytrader]

India owes Pakistan Nothing.

Denial isn't gonna make it right

 

[giri26]

All please stay on topic and keep the conversations civil in the thread.

 

[Shutdown Corner]

Idiotic move. ICC doesnt need Pakistan, lol.

Even BCCI couldnt extort the ICC fully in the end. PCB has like 10% the clout.

 

[sshakir411]

Sethi holds a masters degree from Cambridge and not Phd. The guy who was heading BCCI owns and runs a billion dollar business, he handles people like Sethi day in and day out. He has far more experience in running businesses than any Najam Sethi.LOL.

So your Cambridge graduate Sethi didnt check which court has jurisdiction in this matter?

You can keep twisting in vaccum. You have no leverage on India. BCCI doesnt need to play Pakistan.

Forget Sethi.

You're right, there's no leverage on India but that does not mean BCCI can bully others. BCCI literally used Pakistan when it needed to, left us hanging, and you expect us to be okay with that and forget it?

At least you're getting close to admitting BCCI never had any genuine interest in playing Pakistan...you can call it shrewd business skills...but to a Pakistan Cricket fan, BCCI and the boys club running it are crooks.

If that's how BCCI is/behaves, then that's cool, don't expect PCB to play nice. We have survived long enough and continue to do so without India or IPL.

 

[sshakir411]

You cant really blame BCCI for that if other boards are incompetent to generate revenue from their own market. You may call it circus, id call it business strategy, it is because of BCCI that we see today many kids in India can actually think of cricket as an career. In 80-90s kids would give up cricket as there were no money involved, that have changed.
Now coming to Pakistan, as i said i do agree they are being duped by BCCI with ‘Govt clearance’, however they are also to be blamed for not able to generate revenue from their market. Pakistan have 200M crazy population and no other sport to compete for market, yet they have been struggling with it. Maybe Psl will change that in near future.

They can pursue their fight with BCCI as long as they want, but here PCB is putting their relations with other boards at risk. Lets assume they did boycotted and rest of the boards decide to go ahead without Pakistan, so whats next for Pcb? Who will be the ultimate losers? Will this hurt BCCI?

Look, I get your point. India has figured out a great way for itself...it should carry on..just don't ruin the entire business/financial model of world cricket..which it unfortunately has done so with it's lucrative broadcast deals. Why can't India keep making money for itself, invest it in its cricket, and not arm twist other boards to change the way other cricket boards made its revenue?

Pakistan should not be blamed at all for the reasons you listed. Does Pakistan need that extra money to survive? We don't and we've proved it. Yes, more is better but it is not essential to survive. The reason why we keep asking for the series is because it was agreed upon in return for our vote...BCCI played us, I admit it, PCB was foolish ..but you can't tell Pakistan fans to not be sour about it or forget it. It was top level deception. I will call it what it was...it was unethical and Pakistan cannot be expected to play nice/fair in return. PCB is trying to level score and will keep trying, even if it fails.

It's a sad situation because it could've been avoided. Instead BCCI humiliated PCB and gave itself and its supporters a reason to pat themselves on the back..you guys can cheer about it as much as you'd like. We don't need to play India..lets keep it that way..but don't use us and expect us to be nice with you in anyway.

 

[Hitman]

Just stop this bloody obsession. Why would you want to play with someone who deliberately ignores you? Have some dignity for a change. Also the PCB has been surviving without the BCCI for many years now, and I'm sure they will do so in the future. There are plenty of teams for Pakistan to play against, just forget about India.

 

[Convict]

Okay. 8 and 12 teams it is.

 

[IMMY69]

Pakistan has the 2nd highest population.By your logic PCB should be the second richest board?Isnt it?

We are still above Pakistan in most rankings.Worry about your own team.

Yes but we have an ad hoc committee, mass corruption, mismanagement and no home games due to security issues. In reality we should have been bottom of all the tables a long time ago...
Yet here we are, still w box office team that has the potential to punch above its weight.

 

[Harpoon]

So all india needs to do to kick pakistan out of the League is to refuse to play Pakistan?
Who came up with this stupid idea. I can assure you that even PCB is not that stupid.

 

[AlizeeFan]

So all india needs to do to kick pakistan out of the League is to refuse to play Pakistan?
Who came up with this stupid idea. I can assure you that even PCB is not that stupid.

That won't happen. First there was legal threat and then this now. Wait for few months and then PCB wiill find a new way to blakcmail others.

 

[IndYeah1]

I’ll keep saying this until i’m Blue in the face.

Look at your population and then compare to the rest of cricketing nations..
There’s your billions of dollars in revenue. Still, it’s shocking how bad India is at cricket considering the massive advantages it has.

Pakistan has 1/6th the population. And generates 1/50th the revenue.

 

[someone21]

It's internal politics of PCB. They know they don't have a legal case but it's important for PCB head to show that he can threaten India, else his own people will call against him. It's a show for his own people, not ICC neither India.

 

[squarecut]

OK. do not play in ICC world league then. Simple.

 

[Kaptan]

Lol that means if we dont play with Pakistan, then Pakistan will withdraw from both the championships ?

 

[squarecut]

Lol that means if we dont play with Pakistan, then Pakistan will withdraw from both the championships ?

Let us hope PCB walk the talk at least once.

 

[AMSS]

I’ll keep saying this until i’m Blue in the face.

Look at your population and then compare to the rest of cricketing nations..
There’s your billions of dollars in revenue. Still, it’s shocking how bad India is at cricket considering the massive advantages it has.

It's about time you disabused yourself of the bogus population argument. Let me help you there with the aid of an example.

Uttar Pradesh is the largest state in India with its population comparable to Pakistan. It's also comparable to Pakistan on most other social and developmental metrics.

Mumbai on the other hand is a city of 20 millions, slightly less than Australia. However, Mumbai is far behind Australia when it comes to developmental metrics including providing top class sporting facilities and coaching for kids.

If we were to go by your logic, UP should be dominating Mumbai in domestic Ranji trophy championship. The fact is that Mumbai dominates the domestic championship in a manner that is unparalleled. Take the head to head record of Mumbai against UP and you'll see a record that is even more lopsided than Australia's against pakistan.

So clearly, population is FAR from being a significant determinant when it comes to sporting success. There are reams of thesis and academic literature authored on this very issue. You should consider familiarizing yourself with those.

But the bottom line is that by all means continue to 'go blue in the face' using the bogus population argument but understand that people will also continue to point and laugh at you.

 

[Titan24]

Just stop this bloody obsession. Why would you want to play with someone who deliberately ignores you? Have some dignity for a change. Also the PCB has been surviving without the BCCI for many years now, and I'm sure they will do so in the future. There are plenty of teams for Pakistan to play against, just forget about India.

Lol! Some guys here need to open their minds. Dignity? So BCCI has dignity in not playing Pakistan under political pressures?

Ever heard a league in the world where one team says that they wont play the other team (May be they are scared ahmm ahmm... CT 17... or whatever the reason is).

No league can be played where team selects whom to play or not. Either dont call it a league and run the test matches the way they are or proper a league structure played all around the world.

 

[CanadianG00se]

Lol! Some guys here need to open their minds. Dignity? So BCCI has dignity in not playing Pakistan under political pressures?

Ever heard a league in the world where one team says that they wont play the other team (May be they are scared ahmm ahmm... CT 17... or whatever the reason is).

No league can be played where team selects whom to play or not. Either dont call it a league and run the test matches the way they are or proper a league structure played all around the world.

Just because there is no such league in past doesnt mean it cant be in future? There is always the first time for everything....

PS: Its not BCCI that is running this league its ICC.

 

[Titan24]

Just because there is no such league in past doesnt mean it cant be in future? There is always the first time for everything....

PS: Its not BCCI that is running this league its ICC.

ICC wont ask India to not play Pakistan so it means India will play?
If they dont then call it something else, its not a league and everyone should be allowed to choose with whom they wanna play, Oh yes! and where they wanna play.

 

[CanadianG00se]

ICC wont ask India to not play Pakistan so it means India will play?
If they dont then call it something else, its not a league and everyone should be allowed to choose with whom they wanna play, Oh yes! and where they wanna play.

If ICC thinks they can make team play as per their choice then they should try, at same time India will exercise their rights as to play or boycott league.

Like I said, India is only exercising their rights of not playing Pakistan, very similar to PCB exercising their rights to play India. Both are doing whats best for their interest, now all we gotta see is who does ICC favours the most.

 

[CanadianG00se]

ICC wont ask India to not play Pakistan so it means India will play?
If they dont then call it something else, its not a league and everyone should be allowed to choose with whom they wanna play, Oh yes! and where they wanna play.

In the same league, England will also never host or tour Zimbabwe, i dont see anyone objecting to that. In my view, this whole test league is nothing but a joke.

 

[Titan24]

If ICC thinks they can make team play as per their choice then they should try, at same time India will exercise their rights as to play or boycott league.

Like I said, India is only exercising their rights of not playing Pakistan, very similar to PCB exercising their rights to play India. Both are doing whats best for their interest, now all we gotta see is who does ICC favours the most.

It was straight forward when there were bilateral series but in a league its not possible for teams saying I dont wanna play with that team.

So either the idea of league should be scrapped or BCCI should get the steel out of their spine.

 

[CanadianG00se]

It was straight forward when there were bilateral series but in a league its not possible for teams saying I dont wanna play with that team.

So either the idea of league should be scrapped or BCCI should get the steel out of their spine.

Like i said, BCCI used their clout to get things their way, now its PCB who needs to challenge this and revert it back to original Bilateral thing or make everyone play everyone. If BCCI is wrong in bullying everyone, then rest of them are also to be blamed for allowing BCCI to bully them.

 

[Titan24]

In the same league, England will also never host or tour Zimbabwe, i dont see anyone objecting to that. In my view, this whole test league is nothing but a joke.

I guess things in Zimbabwe are better so England might redonsider the things in the future.

 

[CanadianG00se]

I guess things in Zimbabwe are better so England might redonsider the things in the future.

The boycott is in place because of Zimbabwean Govt atrocities. So i do not see England hosting them or touring them. ECB is following their govt’s guidelines, same is the case here with BCCI. But i only see people criticising BCCI only for mixing sports with politics. Heck ECB even tried stripping ZC from test membership but was stoppd by BCCI or else we would’ve lost Zimbabwe as a cricket nation as well.

 

[CanadianG00se]

I guess things in Zimbabwe are better so England might redonsider the things in the future.

Have ECB actually uplifted the ban on ZC? I do not think they have played Zimbabwe recently, infact ICC do keep them in seperate groups.