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Pakistan to release Indian pilot tomorrow as peace gesture: Prime Minister Imran Khan

Why would Imran throw a lifeline unless there was pressure?

Because Pakistan is well within their rights to keep him as a prisoner as he could have killed innocent people. If Pak army wanted the pilot dead they would not have even rescued him from the mob or at least could have come bit late but Pakistan army has so far played a very professional role so far and IK is genuinely making efforts for peace. You need to aknowledge them rather than getting influenced by other bakhts and Arnab characters.
 
American or Saudis can't force us to release someone who violated our air space purposesly and could have cause damage to people or property.
 
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Seeing the vidoe of wing commander <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Abhinanden?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Abhinanden</a> makes u feel proud. How composed and strong u can stay without being loud. I hope he returns home safe <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/prayers?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#prayers</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/respect?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#respect</a></p>— Irfan Pathan (@IrfanPathan) <a href="https://twitter.com/IrfanPathan/status/1100770272079011840?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 27, 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Thank You everyone for your wishes for my today’s knock. This innings is very special to me and I dedicate this inning to India’s brave son IAF Wing Commander Abhinandan. I pray that he returns to India, safe. Jai Hind. &#55356;&#56814;&#55356;&#56819;<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/IAF?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#IAF</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WingCommander?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#WingCommander</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Abhinandan?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Abhinandan</a></p>— Wriddhiman Saha (@Wriddhipops) <a href="https://twitter.com/Wriddhipops/status/1100952505767227392?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 28, 2019</a></blockquote>
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The finalstrike him and modi want will destroy both countries.
 
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1) Pakistan offered the POW to demonstrate publicly that there is no ill will on their part and the aggression is coming from across the border. This is as much for international digestion as your public. You can take it or leave it, from Pakistan's POV their conscience will be clear whatever transpires from hereon in.

2) Your fantasy that Imran is desperate to protect Azhar or Jaish at all costs is quaint, but you forget that India killed 300 JeM members according to your own claims, so that group if it existed is already eliminated.

Pak has demonstrated publicly that they are for peace. Did I ever question that? Its beyond reasonable doubt. Despite that, the internal community (France, Aus, US) have issued statements indicating Pak should dismantle the terror network. Unless there is some sort of resolution on that front, there will not be much change.
 
This is a great gesture but this is likely due to a backdoor deal. US would have got involved.

Imran Khan can't make these decisions on his own. It's too big a deal.

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This was Omar Abdullah's (J&K politician) tweet 8 hours back:

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But the thing is that this move from the outside is a total googly. Perception is everything and this helps Pakistan a great deal.

As frustrating as it is for me to admit, I must say Pakistan has pulverized India in the perception battle.

Unless any emergence of new proof changes the equation completely.

You can spin it however you want. If it makes you feel better then you can count this as a win because you "pressured" Pakistan into releasing the pilot.

But the fact remains, Pakistan chose to release him as a peace offering whereas your PM's response was that this isn't over and he wants to escalate it further.

Your lot are rattled. But you win if it makes you feel better. You shot down 20 planes not 1.
 
If i am not wrong, According to Geneva convention a country hav to return the PoW in 10 days.. Its not weakness.. its message of peace, its your choice to take it or not.
 
And now he is calling the ones wanting peace as illiterates, idiots and anti nationals. And yes, those are the words he used.

Arnab, I'm ashamed that you're an Assamese.

Give us Arnab in exchange for the pilot. Then we'll get him beaten by a Pakistani mob.
 
Pak has demonstrated publicly that they are for peace. Did I ever question that? Its beyond reasonable doubt. Despite that, the internal community (France, Aus, US) have issued statements indicating Pak should dismantle the terror network. Unless there is some sort of resolution on that front, there will not be much change.

Pulwama attack was carried out by Indian Kashmiri activists so none of that is relevant.
 
Pak has demonstrated publicly that they are for peace. Did I ever question that? Its beyond reasonable doubt. Despite that, the internal community (France, Aus, US) have issued statements indicating Pak should dismantle the terror network. Unless there is some sort of resolution on that front, there will not be much change.

Dismantling terrorist groups in Pakistan is Pakistan's internal issue. And I agree they need to be dismantled but it's not easy to do and not something that can be done overnight.

It's important that you realize something though, it was a local from Indian Occupied Kashmir that attacked your soldiers. He used bombs made in your country.

JeM claimed it because it was convenient for them. However, don't be blind to the fact that your country has a problem with IOK because of a history of human rights abuses. It's time for some self-reflection for your lot as well just as Pakistan has had to self-reflect over the last decade or so.
 
I cant believe how ungrateful some Indians are. Even on this forum. Rather than thanking Pakistan, they are trying to discredit them. If Pakistan feared pressure, their jets wouldnt have entered Indian air space, they would have handed over Hafiz saeed or Mashood azhar. Its a gesture of peace which should be appreciated. But, we know some things never change.
 
I cant believe how ungrateful some Indians are. Even on this forum. Rather than thanking Pakistan, they are trying to discredit them. If Pakistan feared pressure, their jets wouldnt have entered Indian air space, they would have handed over Hafiz saeed or Mashood azhar. Its a gesture of peace which should be appreciated. But, we know some things never change.

Why not start with handing over of Hafeez Saeed & mashood azhar as a gesture of peace. ? They are world known terrorist. Well India released 90k something pow in 1971 I guess. So we know how it works.
Dnt feel like Pakistan is doing some ehsan and are epitome of peace. We know how world works.
 
At first I was bit confused by Khan's decision to release him so quickly but after reading some of the posts by some of the rational PP users and some independent thought, I think this a great move.

This would be an even greater diplomatic stroke if the captured pilot returns to India tomorrow and upon arrival, with the whole of India watching as well as the international media, publicly praises Pakistan for treating him well and releasing him quickly. The few warmongers and blind nationalists will be embarrassed.
 
Pulwama attack was carried out by Indian Kashmiri activists so none of that is relevant.

That proves my point. It's the same stand that Pakistan took from the beginning and hasn't changed. India has been saying that it's backed by Jaish in Pak. So, we are back to square one.
 
I cant believe how ungrateful some Indians are. Even on this forum. Rather than thanking Pakistan, they are trying to discredit them. If Pakistan feared pressure, their jets wouldnt have entered Indian air space, they would have handed over Hafiz saeed or Mashood azhar. Its a gesture of peace which should be appreciated. But, we know some things never change.

Has India replied with any attack after their planes were downed, soldier captured and who was treated well? a total embarrassment for India because of war monger bhakths.

It wasn't Pakistan that was pressurized, it was India who was pressurized.

Grand daddy US backed away, Saudia did not support India, UAE did not support India and that has everything to do with the governments in the region that USA need immediately.

India is on a face saving mission, let me be correct, Modi is on a face saving mission and they would do their best to spin it.

Those who understand regional politics on both sides of the border understand what was going on behind the doors.
 
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Why not start with handing over of Hafeez Saeed & mashood azhar as a gesture of peace. ? They are world known terrorist. Well India released 90k something pow in 1971 I guess. So we know how it works.
Dnt feel like Pakistan is doing some ehsan and are epitome of peace. We know how world works.

Why don't you start with handing over the Balochi rebels that took responsibility of recent terrorisms in Pakistan? What about the secret Indian embassies in Afganistan? What purpose do they serve other than training anti Pak militants and sending them to kill innocent Pakistanis? Taali aik hath se nahi bajti bhai.
 
Why not start with handing over of Hafeez Saeed & mashood azhar as a gesture of peace. ? They are world known terrorist. Well India released 90k something pow in 1971 I guess. So we know how it works.
Dnt feel like Pakistan is doing some ehsan and are epitome of peace. We know how world works.

Where did you learn all of this misinformation?
First of all only around 24k Pakistani soldiers were arrested in 1971 and rest were civilian administration employees. Secondly you didnt simply leave them. You exchanged them for the MVP Mujibur Rahman who was in Pakistan's custody.
Secondly, Pakistan is not going to hand over anyone without any relevant proofs.
Thridly This is a gesture of peace not done by any compulsion because your pilot hasnt been granted the POW status as this wasnt a declared war that was going on. Conventions dont apply in such cases and he would simply be treated as a pilot invading during peace time. Be grateful.
 
Has India replied with any attack after their planes were downed, soldier captured and who was treated well? a total embarrassment for India because of war monger bhakths.

It wasn't Pakistan that was pressurized, it was India who was pressurized.

Grand daddy US backed away, Saudia did not support India, UAE did not support India and that has everything to do with the governments in the region that USA need immediately.

India is on a face saving mission, let me be correct, Modi is on a face saving mission and they would do their best to spin it.

Those who understand regional politics on both sides of the border understand what was going on behind the doors.

Saudia will put pressure on Pakistan? Lol Modi was begging their FM to condemn Pakistan for recent suicide attack but he said he can't without any proofs. Saudia needs us more than anyone else as they rely heavily on us for defense and trust only us.

US role in the region is ending and they have also pulled back their funds so they are not the same for Pakistan to br taken that seriously. Pakistan only cares about China and UK.
 
I cant believe how ungrateful some Indians are. Even on this forum. Rather than thanking Pakistan, they are trying to discredit them. If Pakistan feared pressure, their jets wouldnt have entered Indian air space, they would have handed over Hafiz saeed or Mashood azhar. Its a gesture of peace which should be appreciated. But, we know some things never change.

Why don't you start with handing over the Balochi rebels that took responsibility of recent terrorisms in Pakistan? What about the secret Indian embassies in Afganistan? What purpose do they serve other than training anti Pak militants and sending them to kill innocent Pakistanis? Taali aik hath se nahi bajti bhai.

Name balochi rebels terrorist living in India and known to world for terrorism in Pakistan? Well these days you guys has been screaming for a lot of proofs. Isn't it? So what about UN recognized terrorist living in Pakistan and responsible for attacks inside India. Even Nawaz Sharif, former Pakistan pm admitted the same among others.

Pakistan has nothing to loose out of war. They can close their airspace for months, doesnt mean iota but bigger and fastest growing economy in the world, will suffer a lot.

India dnt want to go for war. Heck India hardly ever started any war, if you see past records. But trust me one more terrorist attack on India. Then India would seriously consider some options. And India won't give some people reasons for trolling.
 
Dismantling terrorist groups in Pakistan is Pakistan's internal issue. And I agree they need to be dismantled but it's not easy to do and not something that can be done overnight.

It's important that you realize something though, it was a local from Indian Occupied Kashmir that attacked your soldiers. He used bombs made in your country.

JeM claimed it because it was convenient for them. However, don't be blind to the fact that your country has a problem with IOK because of a history of human rights abuses. It's time for some self-reflection for your lot as well just as Pakistan has had to self-reflect over the last decade or so.

Did anyone deny that India has a problem in IOK? Infact, they are saying there is a huge problem and that's terrorism. No body denied that the bomber was local. They even said the explosives could be from local mines. It is about influence and logistical, training support.
 
Name balochi rebels terrorist living in India and known to world for terrorism in Pakistan? Well these days you guys has been screaming for a lot of proofs. Isn't it? So what about UN recognized terrorist living in Pakistan and responsible for attacks inside India. Even Nawaz Sharif, former Pakistan pm admitted the same among others.

Pakistan has nothing to loose out of war. They can close their airspace for months, doesnt mean iota but bigger and fastest growing economy in the world, will suffer a lot.

India dnt want to go for war. Heck India hardly ever started any war, if you see past records. But trust me one more terrorist attack on India. Then India would seriously consider some options. And India won't give some people reasons for trolling.

Lol your jets violated our air space. Things like these can easily start a war.
 
You know what will be funny? When the Indian media will interview Abhinandan and he will be full of praises of how Pakistan handled him and the whole situation.

There will be some calls of branding him a traitor :))

Jai Hind :salute
 
Why don't you start with handing over the Balochi rebels that took responsibility of recent terrorisms in Pakistan? What about the secret Indian embassies in Afganistan? What purpose do they serve other than training anti Pak militants and sending them to kill innocent Pakistanis? Taali aik hath se nahi bajti bhai.

What you said above are THE talks that should happen. They will happen when Pak ceases supporting Kashmir. From internation POV, they are both proxy wars
 
Saudia will put pressure on Pakistan? Lol Modi was begging their FM to condemn Pakistan for recent suicide attack but he said he can't without any proofs. Saudia needs us more than anyone else as they rely heavily on us for defense and trust only us.

US role in the region is ending and they have also pulled back their funds so they are not the same for Pakistan to br taken that seriously. Pakistan only cares about China and UK.

Saudi didn't, that is what I said.

China didn't support India, Russia didn't support Indian illegal aggression, Saudia didn't.

On surface US said few words but because due to other players in our region and in need of the hour, US had to take away any support for Modi's illegal aggression.

Like I have said, India had no support, Modi miss calculated this significantly and hopefully he will pay the price in election.
 
Name balochi rebels terrorist living in India and known to world for terrorism in Pakistan? Well these days you guys has been screaming for a lot of proofs. Isn't it? So what about UN recognized terrorist living in Pakistan and responsible for attacks inside India. Even Nawaz Sharif, former Pakistan pm admitted the same among others.

Pakistan has nothing to loose out of war. They can close their airspace for months, doesnt mean iota but bigger and fastest growing economy in the world, will suffer a lot.

India dnt want to go for war. Heck India hardly ever started any war, if you see past records. But trust me one more terrorist attack on India. Then India would seriously consider some options. And India won't give some people reasons for trolling.

Yawn! Same old boring rhetoric. Wake me up when india has done something!
 
At first I was in favour of returning Abhinandan asap, but seeing the lack of gratitude and arrogance from Indian media and Indians in general I feel like we shouldn't return him so easy. Peace can only be achieved if both parties are for it, but if one party is hell bent on war then war is what they shall get. Should have shot Abhinandan and made a video of it.



After his arrest all of Pakistani social media was filled with requests to not make memes about Abhinandan, respect him, he was just following orders, he should be returned save. Instead what we get from the other side "Victory for India", "Pakistan caved".... etc etc


What a pathetic people these Indians are.
 
That proves my point. It's the same stand that Pakistan took from the beginning and hasn't changed. India has been saying that it's backed by Jaish in Pak. So, we are back to square one.

Except that India took matters into their own hands and invaded Pakistan territory to strike alleged terrror camps, and hit nothing but some trees. Claiming to have killed 300 JeM terrorists which has proven to be a complete fabrication has totally undermined India's position so no we aren't back to square one. Pakistan's stance of no hand in the Pulwama incident has been vindicated.
 
I heard IK is calling Modi but Modi is not picking it like a disgruntled girl friend .
 
You know what will be funny? When the Indian media will interview Abhinandan and he will be full of praises of how Pakistan handled him and the whole situation.

There will be some calls of branding him a traitor :))

Jai Hind :salute

they won't let him appear on TV or any sort of media
 
You know what will be funny? When the Indian media will interview Abhinandan and he will be full of praises of how Pakistan handled him and the whole situation.

There will be some calls of branding him a traitor :))

Jai Hind :salute

They will edit out that part :))
 
I heard IK is calling Modi but Modi is not picking it like a disgruntled girl friend .

Why is IK calling? His speeches were addressed with only one emphasis. "We want peace". He is handing over the POW. He is now calling Indian PM. He is doing everything except Azhar and Jaish. Pakistan should stop any sort of peace overtures until they read the dossier. Their next statement and action should be about the dossier. Either debunk it or call for talks to resolve it through some sort of action on the dossier
 
You know what will be funny? When the Indian media will interview Abhinandan and he will be full of praises of how Pakistan handled him and the whole situation.

There will be some calls of branding him a traitor :))

Jai Hind :salute

My guess is he will be a hero in India just for saying "I'm not supposed to say that Sir" multiple times when he was being questioned. I am not sure if he will be paraded before the press. If they do, he will say Pak looked after him well. There shouldn't be any complaints based on facts.
 
Except that India took matters into their own hands and invaded Pakistan territory to strike alleged terrror camps, and hit nothing but some trees. Claiming to have killed 300 JeM terrorists which has proven to be a complete fabrication has totally undermined India's position so no we aren't back to square one. Pakistan's stance of no hand in the Pulwama incident has been vindicated.

300 number is fabricated by press. As far as hitting a terror target, there is no proof as well yet. They said they will release something. As far as India's position goes, it's about terrorism, Jaish, Azhar which is still the position in the West based on their statements. Pakistan's stance on Pulwama will be vindicated based on their reaction to the dossier.
 
Because Pakistan is well within their rights to keep him as a prisoner as he could have killed innocent people. If Pak army wanted the pilot dead they would not have even rescued him from the mob or at least could have come bit late but Pakistan army has so far played a very professional role so far and IK is genuinely making efforts for peace. You need to aknowledge them rather than getting influenced by other bakhts and Arnab characters.

Pak has been taking the moral high ground. I said it a dozen times. The question is when Modi is down and seemingly out, why throw him a lifeline? Even his opposition parties were qustioning his motives. POW could have stayed with Pak for 7 days. Did Pak do anything wrong in capturing the POW? No. They even proved that international norms were followed in the treatment of the POW. Why would then Imran throw a lifeline unless there's pressure. He already made enough peace gestures by then.
 
Some shambolic comments have been made by some of the Indians here.

But again I have seen many Indians here and in social media where they have shown their gratitude for the gesture that Imran has shown today m. Obviously he has discussed it with army before taking the final decision.

Now, I have no high regard for Pakistan army for the things that they have done to our people in 71. I don't think I have ever said anything good about them and got lots of negative rating for doing that in one particular defense forum.

But I have to say the way Imran along with his army have handled the whole situation from the very beginning has really forced me to see Imran in a different light.

From the very beginning before India Started their so called surgical strike 2.0 he talked about peace. He has openly said that he doesn't want war to break out between two nuclear power and wanna solve problem through talk. But at the same time he warned India that if India threatens the sovereignty of his nation he will not hesitate to retaliate.


India ignored his declaration for peace talk and carried out their so called attack by violating International law and managed to kill some trees. In return Pak army humiliated Indian airforce, gunned down two fighters and captured a wing commander and saved him from the wrath of the locals.


India has gained nothing other than humiliation in this small war that took place in last two days. Even after all that Imran is ready to return the POW as a gesture for peace but here few ungrateful ones r trying find out conspiracy in it.

Don't forget the fact that his revolver was found empty when he was captured and many locals claimed that he was shooing towards them after getting crashed. If Pak really wanted to keep him it wouldn't be that hard to make case on him where he would've been accused for killing innocent civilians on foreign soil. These dramas aren't that gatdtto make. As a matter of fact they could've done many things with him.

Imran is clearly showing how to be magnanimous in victory. Even though he has clean bowled his opposition in the battle ground but he has still taken the olive bruch to the opposition. These Indian news channels and their anchors are rubbish. These warmongers will do anything and say anything to increase their trp.
 
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300 number is fabricated by press. As far as hitting a terror target, there is no proof as well yet. They said they will release something. As far as India's position goes, it's about terrorism, Jaish, Azhar which is still the position in the West based on their statements. Pakistan's stance on Pulwama will be vindicated based on their reaction to the dossier.

Your own govt provided the source material for the fabrication:

India air strike in Pakistan killed 300 militants: Indian govt source

https://www.thedailystar.net/india/...strike-militant-camps-inside-pakistan-1707478
 
Did anyone deny that India has a problem in IOK? Infact, they are saying there is a huge problem and that's terrorism. No body denied that the bomber was local. They even said the explosives could be from local mines. It is about influence and logistical, training support.

Influence? What motivates a Kashmiri youth to kill himself while taking down 40 people that he considers are his enemy?

What causes so many Kashmiris to resort to stone pelting?

Even if we assume that JeM has that sort of influence, do you really think they would if the Kashmiris weren't upset at the oppression faced by them. That's why I said that it's time to look inwards and see how you can resolve the Kashmir issue.

It's convenient to blame Pakistan. As we've seen it makes for great political point-scoring but it resolves nothing.

Also I don't know how JeM can provide logistical support. And if they provided training then it was through DIY videos unless he ventured over to Pakistan.

I hope in time Pakistan eliminates the extremists within its country and I'll be the first to condemn it. But this was more homegrown terrorism in my opinion.
 
Influence? What motivates a Kashmiri youth to kill himself while taking down 40 people that he considers are his enemy?

What causes so many Kashmiris to resort to stone pelting?

Even if we assume that JeM has that sort of influence, do you really think they would if the Kashmiris weren't upset at the oppression faced by them. That's why I said that it's time to look inwards and see how you can resolve the Kashmir issue.

It's convenient to blame Pakistan. As we've seen it makes for great political point-scoring but it resolves nothing.

Also I don't know how JeM can provide logistical support. And if they provided training then it was through DIY videos unless he ventured over to Pakistan.

I hope in time Pakistan eliminates the extremists within its country and I'll be the first to condemn it. But this was more homegrown terrorism in my opinion.

Because they have been rendered hopeless and stateless by both governments for decades. India won't stop army from doing anything in Kashmir until there is Pak's support. Explain to me how Pakistan helped Kashmiris in the last 70 years? If you claim somebody your friend and if your friendship has hurt your friend, what is the point of that friendship? The false hopes of independence and the utter hopelessness due to an army state, Kashmiris think they can beat a country like India with a few AK47s. How the heck is that even feasible?
 
Your own govt provided the source material for the fabrication:

What source?

"Indian jets conducted air strikes against a militant camp in Pakistani territory on Tuesday, India's foreign secretary said, and an Indian government source claimed 300 militants had been killed, but Pakistan denied there had been any casualties."

Some random source? MEA or PMO or even IAF claimed 300 anywhere? Don't fall into propaganda trap.
 
Imran Khan Says Pakistan Will Release Indian Pilot, Seizing Publicity in Showdown

NEW DELHI — Prime Minister Imran Khan of Pakistan announced on Thursday that his country would be releasing a captured pilot from India after days of military conflict, offering a way out of the crisis and seeking to position Pakistan as the cooler head in a confrontation that has put the world on edge.

“In our desire of peace, I announce that tomorrow, and as a first step to open negotiations, Pakistan will be releasing the Indian Air Force officer in our custody,” Mr. Khan said.

After hours of relative lull throughout Thursday, the gesture appeared to be a face-saving opening for both countries to head off a war. But Indian officials were guarded, saying that the pilot’s release would not necessarily end the crisis, which they said was rooted in Pakistan’s support of terrorist groups that strike at India.

The days before had brought both nations to the brink. On Tuesday, Indian warplanes dropped bombs inside Pakistan — it is not clear what they hit — and Pakistan shot down at least one Indian fighter jet on Wednesday. Tens of thousands of troops have been rushed to the countries’ border, heavy artillery barrages and gunfire have been volleyed across it, and tank columns have been chugging into place for what many feared could turn into a full-blown war.

Both nations wield nuclear weapons, and China, the United States, Britain and many other countries have been urging them to step away from conflict, which began after a suicide bomber killed more than 40 Indian paramilitary troops in the disputed region of Kashmir on Feb. 14. India accuses Pakistan of aiding in the attack, which was claimed by the terrorist group Jaish-e-Mohammed, but Pakistan has denied it.

At a news conference after his summit meeting in Vietnam on Thursday, President Trump said that there was “reasonably decent” news coming from India and Pakistan and “hopefully it’s going to be coming to an end.”

From the beginning of the showdown, Pakistan’s military publicity wing has demonstrated a knack for dominating the narrative. In particular, the almost immediate official circulation of videos that appeared to show the Indian pilot being first protected from a mob by Pakistani forces, and then remarking on how well he was being treated (“The tea is fantastic!” he said in one clip), became a virally blooming propaganda coup on social media.

But on Thursday, Indian officials insisted that was part of the problem — and made a point of noting that displaying prisoners for propaganda purposes violates the Geneva Conventions.

They suggested that Mr. Khan’s move was an empty ploy that ignored the real problem between the two countries. A senior Indian official told reporters in New Delhi that even if the captured pilot were returned home, there would be no chance “to go back to zero” and ease tensions unless Pakistan acted against terrorist groups that it has traditionally used as proxies against India.
Some observers said that much of the Indian public — and particularly among Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s conservative Hindu political base — had little appetite to take Mr. Khan up on his second offer of the day: to engage in direct talks with Mr. Modi in order to defuse the crisis.

“Over the decades there’s been a real exhaustion and fatigue with Pakistan, and any Indian right now is fed up with Pakistan’s lack of action against terror,” said Alyssa Ayres, a senior fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations. “Indians feel Pakistan is not genuine in its calls for dialogue.”

Pakistan has, however, been better about wielding its public information campaigns.

For instance, when India for the first time in almost 50 years sent fighter jets into Pakistani airspace to launch airstrikes, it was Pakistan that took to social media first.

Hours before any comment from India, a Pakistani military officer tweeted that Indian warplanes had bombed an empty forest and the officer posted photographs showing some craters in the dirt. Later, India claimed to have destroyed a terrorist training camp, but had no evidence to show for it.

On Wednesday, after reports started surfacing online that Pakistan had shot down an Indian fighter jet and captured the pilot, Indian officials denied it. Hours later, they said during a stiff news conference that lasted less than 100 seconds that one Indian pilot was “missing in action.”

Videos of a crushed building filled with bodies that soon began circulating widely on social media in India were quickly debunked. The images were not from the airstrike but from an earthquake in Pakistan more than 10 years ago.

This is beginning to take its toll on Mr. Modi, who is up for election in about two months and who until recently seemed invincible. But in some sectors, he is now being accused of military adventurism. One family of a fallen soldier called the government a liar.

Other Indians seem frustrated.

”The government has been lax and inaccurate in the way information is being let out,’’ said Mohammad Saquib, who works at a hotel in Delhi.
On the Pakistani side, initial fears that the confrontation could slip into war appeared to give way to jubilation at the news that an Indian jet had been shot down and that the pilot, identified by India as Wing Commander Abhinandan Varthaman, had been captured.

Even in the Pakistani media, which has suffered from intense repression by the security forces and initially was introspective about the military’s relationship with militant groups, skepticism has given way to triumphalism. Most criticism was shelved once Indian warplanes crossed Kashmir’s Line of Control on Tuesday.

By Thursday morning, upbeat news anchors appeared on television screens across Pakistan donning military fatigues, and journalists waved their national flag while delivering breaking developments.

Saadia Afzal, a popular Pakistani news anchor, tweeted a photo of herself posing in front of the wreckage of the downed Indian plane, surrounded by soldiers. “Take that India,” she tweeted.

“The Indian media was so jingoistic that even the most critical Pakistanis changed their position and said they were going to stand by their military and state,” said Raza Ahmad Rumi, the editor for The Daily Times in Lahore.

Perhaps the most telling moment in the information war came on Thursday, when Pakistan seized what could have been India’s triumphant moment, the return of the pilot.

On Thursday afternoon, the whispers from advisers in Mr. Modi’s government were that top Indian generals were ready to make a major announcement at 5 p.m. But well before that time, there was Mr. Khan, standing in Parliament and breaking the news, on live television, that Pakistan would unilaterally send the Indian pilot home

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/28/world/asia/pakistan-india-pilot-kashmir.html
 
What source?

"Indian jets conducted air strikes against a militant camp in Pakistani territory on Tuesday, India's foreign secretary said, and an Indian government source claimed 300 militants had been killed, but Pakistan denied there had been any casualties."

Some random source? MEA or PMO or even IAF claimed 300 anywhere? Don't fall into propaganda trap.

If you read the article it cites Vijay Gokhale the foreign secretary as saying a very large number of militants had been killed, and credits the number of 300 to a senior govt source. If this is propaganda, then the Indian govt is complicit in it.
 
If you read the article it cites Vijay Gokhale the foreign secretary as saying a very large number of militants had been killed, and credits the number of 300 to a senior govt source. If this is propaganda, then the Indian govt is complicit in it.

Are you surprised that governments use propaganda? There is no source of proof for 300. Havent heard that word in any official Communications so far. All I heard was, it's difficult to count after the fact
 
Are you surprised that governments use propaganda? There is no source of proof for 300. Havent heard that word in any official Communications so far. All I heard was, it's difficult to count after the fact

Which brings me back to my original point that we are not back to square one, in fact Pakistan's version of events has become more credible and India's narrative has been undermined by their injudicious use of 'propaganda'.
 
Imran Khan Says Pakistan Will Release Indian Pilot, Seizing Publicity in Showdown

NEW DELHI — Prime Minister Imran Khan of Pakistan announced on Thursday that his country would be releasing a captured pilot from India after days of military conflict, offering a way out of the crisis and seeking to position Pakistan as the cooler head in a confrontation that has put the world on edge.

“In our desire of peace, I announce that tomorrow, and as a first step to open negotiations, Pakistan will be releasing the Indian Air Force officer in our custody,” Mr. Khan said.

After hours of relative lull throughout Thursday, the gesture appeared to be a face-saving opening for both countries to head off a war. But Indian officials were guarded, saying that the pilot’s release would not necessarily end the crisis, which they said was rooted in Pakistan’s support of terrorist groups that strike at India.

The days before had brought both nations to the brink. On Tuesday, Indian warplanes dropped bombs inside Pakistan — it is not clear what they hit — and Pakistan shot down at least one Indian fighter jet on Wednesday. Tens of thousands of troops have been rushed to the countries’ border, heavy artillery barrages and gunfire have been volleyed across it, and tank columns have been chugging into place for what many feared could turn into a full-blown war.

Both nations wield nuclear weapons, and China, the United States, Britain and many other countries have been urging them to step away from conflict, which began after a suicide bomber killed more than 40 Indian paramilitary troops in the disputed region of Kashmir on Feb. 14. India accuses Pakistan of aiding in the attack, which was claimed by the terrorist group Jaish-e-Mohammed, but Pakistan has denied it.

At a news conference after his summit meeting in Vietnam on Thursday, President Trump said that there was “reasonably decent” news coming from India and Pakistan and “hopefully it’s going to be coming to an end.”

From the beginning of the showdown, Pakistan’s military publicity wing has demonstrated a knack for dominating the narrative. In particular, the almost immediate official circulation of videos that appeared to show the Indian pilot being first protected from a mob by Pakistani forces, and then remarking on how well he was being treated (“The tea is fantastic!” he said in one clip), became a virally blooming propaganda coup on social media.

But on Thursday, Indian officials insisted that was part of the problem — and made a point of noting that displaying prisoners for propaganda purposes violates the Geneva Conventions.

They suggested that Mr. Khan’s move was an empty ploy that ignored the real problem between the two countries. A senior Indian official told reporters in New Delhi that even if the captured pilot were returned home, there would be no chance “to go back to zero” and ease tensions unless Pakistan acted against terrorist groups that it has traditionally used as proxies against India.
Some observers said that much of the Indian public — and particularly among Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s conservative Hindu political base — had little appetite to take Mr. Khan up on his second offer of the day: to engage in direct talks with Mr. Modi in order to defuse the crisis.

“Over the decades there’s been a real exhaustion and fatigue with Pakistan, and any Indian right now is fed up with Pakistan’s lack of action against terror,” said Alyssa Ayres, a senior fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations. “Indians feel Pakistan is not genuine in its calls for dialogue.”

Pakistan has, however, been better about wielding its public information campaigns.

For instance, when India for the first time in almost 50 years sent fighter jets into Pakistani airspace to launch airstrikes, it was Pakistan that took to social media first.

Hours before any comment from India, a Pakistani military officer tweeted that Indian warplanes had bombed an empty forest and the officer posted photographs showing some craters in the dirt. Later, India claimed to have destroyed a terrorist training camp, but had no evidence to show for it.

On Wednesday, after reports started surfacing online that Pakistan had shot down an Indian fighter jet and captured the pilot, Indian officials denied it. Hours later, they said during a stiff news conference that lasted less than 100 seconds that one Indian pilot was “missing in action.”

Videos of a crushed building filled with bodies that soon began circulating widely on social media in India were quickly debunked. The images were not from the airstrike but from an earthquake in Pakistan more than 10 years ago.

This is beginning to take its toll on Mr. Modi, who is up for election in about two months and who until recently seemed invincible. But in some sectors, he is now being accused of military adventurism. One family of a fallen soldier called the government a liar.

Other Indians seem frustrated.

”The government has been lax and inaccurate in the way information is being let out,’’ said Mohammad Saquib, who works at a hotel in Delhi.
On the Pakistani side, initial fears that the confrontation could slip into war appeared to give way to jubilation at the news that an Indian jet had been shot down and that the pilot, identified by India as Wing Commander Abhinandan Varthaman, had been captured.

Even in the Pakistani media, which has suffered from intense repression by the security forces and initially was introspective about the military’s relationship with militant groups, skepticism has given way to triumphalism. Most criticism was shelved once Indian warplanes crossed Kashmir’s Line of Control on Tuesday.

By Thursday morning, upbeat news anchors appeared on television screens across Pakistan donning military fatigues, and journalists waved their national flag while delivering breaking developments.

Saadia Afzal, a popular Pakistani news anchor, tweeted a photo of herself posing in front of the wreckage of the downed Indian plane, surrounded by soldiers. “Take that India,” she tweeted.

“The Indian media was so jingoistic that even the most critical Pakistanis changed their position and said they were going to stand by their military and state,” said Raza Ahmad Rumi, the editor for The Daily Times in Lahore.

Perhaps the most telling moment in the information war came on Thursday, when Pakistan seized what could have been India’s triumphant moment, the return of the pilot.

On Thursday afternoon, the whispers from advisers in Mr. Modi’s government were that top Indian generals were ready to make a major announcement at 5 p.m. But well before that time, there was Mr. Khan, standing in Parliament and breaking the news, on live television, that Pakistan would unilaterally send the Indian pilot home

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/28/world/asia/pakistan-india-pilot-kashmir.html

Interesting Politics. Imran was under pressure but seemed to have rained on Modi's parade neverthless!!!

Perhaps the most telling moment in the information war came on Thursday, when Pakistan seized what could have been India’s triumphant moment, the return of the pilot.

On Thursday afternoon, the whispers from advisers in Mr. Modi’s government were that top Indian generals were ready to make a major announcement at 5 p.m. But well before that time, there was Mr. Khan, standing in Parliament and breaking the news, on live television, that Pakistan would unilaterally send the Indian pilot home.
 
Imran Khan Says Pakistan Will Release Indian Pilot, Seizing Publicity in Showdown

NEW DELHI — Prime Minister Imran Khan of Pakistan announced on Thursday that his country would be releasing a captured pilot from India after days of military conflict, offering a way out of the crisis and seeking to position Pakistan as the cooler head in a confrontation that has put the world on edge.

“In our desire of peace, I announce that tomorrow, and as a first step to open negotiations, Pakistan will be releasing the Indian Air Force officer in our custody,” Mr. Khan said.

After hours of relative lull throughout Thursday, the gesture appeared to be a face-saving opening for both countries to head off a war. But Indian officials were guarded, saying that the pilot’s release would not necessarily end the crisis, which they said was rooted in Pakistan’s support of terrorist groups that strike at India.

The days before had brought both nations to the brink. On Tuesday, Indian warplanes dropped bombs inside Pakistan — it is not clear what they hit — and Pakistan shot down at least one Indian fighter jet on Wednesday. Tens of thousands of troops have been rushed to the countries’ border, heavy artillery barrages and gunfire have been volleyed across it, and tank columns have been chugging into place for what many feared could turn into a full-blown war.

Both nations wield nuclear weapons, and China, the United States, Britain and many other countries have been urging them to step away from conflict, which began after a suicide bomber killed more than 40 Indian paramilitary troops in the disputed region of Kashmir on Feb. 14. India accuses Pakistan of aiding in the attack, which was claimed by the terrorist group Jaish-e-Mohammed, but Pakistan has denied it.

At a news conference after his summit meeting in Vietnam on Thursday, President Trump said that there was “reasonably decent” news coming from India and Pakistan and “hopefully it’s going to be coming to an end.”

From the beginning of the showdown, Pakistan’s military publicity wing has demonstrated a knack for dominating the narrative. In particular, the almost immediate official circulation of videos that appeared to show the Indian pilot being first protected from a mob by Pakistani forces, and then remarking on how well he was being treated (“The tea is fantastic!” he said in one clip), became a virally blooming propaganda coup on social media.

But on Thursday, Indian officials insisted that was part of the problem — and made a point of noting that displaying prisoners for propaganda purposes violates the Geneva Conventions.

They suggested that Mr. Khan’s move was an empty ploy that ignored the real problem between the two countries. A senior Indian official told reporters in New Delhi that even if the captured pilot were returned home, there would be no chance “to go back to zero” and ease tensions unless Pakistan acted against terrorist groups that it has traditionally used as proxies against India.
Some observers said that much of the Indian public — and particularly among Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s conservative Hindu political base — had little appetite to take Mr. Khan up on his second offer of the day: to engage in direct talks with Mr. Modi in order to defuse the crisis.

“Over the decades there’s been a real exhaustion and fatigue with Pakistan, and any Indian right now is fed up with Pakistan’s lack of action against terror,” said Alyssa Ayres, a senior fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations. “Indians feel Pakistan is not genuine in its calls for dialogue.”

Pakistan has, however, been better about wielding its public information campaigns.

For instance, when India for the first time in almost 50 years sent fighter jets into Pakistani airspace to launch airstrikes, it was Pakistan that took to social media first.

Hours before any comment from India, a Pakistani military officer tweeted that Indian warplanes had bombed an empty forest and the officer posted photographs showing some craters in the dirt. Later, India claimed to have destroyed a terrorist training camp, but had no evidence to show for it.

On Wednesday, after reports started surfacing online that Pakistan had shot down an Indian fighter jet and captured the pilot, Indian officials denied it. Hours later, they said during a stiff news conference that lasted less than 100 seconds that one Indian pilot was “missing in action.”

Videos of a crushed building filled with bodies that soon began circulating widely on social media in India were quickly debunked. The images were not from the airstrike but from an earthquake in Pakistan more than 10 years ago.

This is beginning to take its toll on Mr. Modi, who is up for election in about two months and who until recently seemed invincible. But in some sectors, he is now being accused of military adventurism. One family of a fallen soldier called the government a liar.

Other Indians seem frustrated.

”The government has been lax and inaccurate in the way information is being let out,’’ said Mohammad Saquib, who works at a hotel in Delhi.
On the Pakistani side, initial fears that the confrontation could slip into war appeared to give way to jubilation at the news that an Indian jet had been shot down and that the pilot, identified by India as Wing Commander Abhinandan Varthaman, had been captured.

Even in the Pakistani media, which has suffered from intense repression by the security forces and initially was introspective about the military’s relationship with militant groups, skepticism has given way to triumphalism. Most criticism was shelved once Indian warplanes crossed Kashmir’s Line of Control on Tuesday.

By Thursday morning, upbeat news anchors appeared on television screens across Pakistan donning military fatigues, and journalists waved their national flag while delivering breaking developments.

Saadia Afzal, a popular Pakistani news anchor, tweeted a photo of herself posing in front of the wreckage of the downed Indian plane, surrounded by soldiers. “Take that India,” she tweeted.

“The Indian media was so jingoistic that even the most critical Pakistanis changed their position and said they were going to stand by their military and state,” said Raza Ahmad Rumi, the editor for The Daily Times in Lahore.

Perhaps the most telling moment in the information war came on Thursday, when Pakistan seized what could have been India’s triumphant moment, the return of the pilot.

On Thursday afternoon, the whispers from advisers in Mr. Modi’s government were that top Indian generals were ready to make a major announcement at 5 p.m. But well before that time, there was Mr. Khan, standing in Parliament and breaking the news, on live television, that Pakistan would unilaterally send the Indian pilot home

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/28/world/asia/pakistan-india-pilot-kashmir.html

What a wonderfully unbiased summary of all the events. Can't believe it is NYT
 
Which brings me back to my original point that we are not back to square one, in fact Pakistan's version of events has become more credible and India's narrative has been undermined by their injudicious use of 'propaganda'.

In these events, yes you are right. I said back to square one because there is no movement in the original point of contention- Terrorism, Jaish, Azhar. As far as credibility goes, these will not make much of difference on both nations' perception abroad. There are many Americans that questioned Bin Laden's raid at the cost of a helicopter and asked for proof. That didn't stop people in believing the story and even make a movie out of it. People are sheep.
 
How The US, UAE And Saudi Arabia Put Pressure On Pakistan

It was clear that Washington had played a key role when President Donald Trump told the world media from Hanoi this morning that "reasonably attractive news was coming from India and Pakistan".

New Delhi: India sighed with relief when Pakistan's Prime Minister Imran Khan announced that Wing Commander Abhinandan Varthaman would be sent home on Friday as a "peace gesture" -- a move that came with immense international pressure to pull both countries back from the brink. Leading the way, NDTV has learnt, was the US, the United Arab Emirates and Saudi Arabia. There has been no official comment from the Indian government on these efforts.

It was, however, clear that Washington had played a key role when President Donald Trump told the world media from Hanoi this morning that "reasonably attractive news was coming from India and Pakistan".

He told journalists, who had gathered for his meeting with North Korean leader Kim Jong-un, "We've been involved in trying to have them stop and we have some reasonably decent news. I think, hopefully, that's going to be coming to an end. It has been going on for a long time".

There are reports the US Secretary of State, Mike Pompeo, spoke to National Security Advisor Ajit Doval for 25 minutes this morning.

Another key player was the UAE, which has become an important ally for India.

The Crown Prince, Sheikh Mohamed bin Zayed, tweeted this evening that he had made "telephone calls to the Indian and Pakistani Prime Ministers", stressing the "importance of dealing wisely with recent developments and giving priority to dialogue and communication".

Foreign Minister Sushma Swaraj is addressing an OIC (Organisation of Islamic Conference) meeting in Abu Dhabi tomorrow -- a first for India, which has been invited as a Guest of Honour at the plenary.

This is significant, given the OIC has taken Pakistan's side on Kashmir for years, and Pakistan's Foreign Minister was so miffed, he had threatened not to attend if India was there.

The third player was Saudi Arabia, which has publicly spoken about helping to de-escalate tensions after the Pulwama attack.

Saudi Arabia's Minister of State for Foreign affairs, Adel al Jubeir, will fly to Islamabad Friday with an "important message from the Crown Prince, MBS". Coincidentally, the Saudi envoy to India met Prime Minister Narendra Modi today as well.

Other countries like the UK, France and Russia -- all permanent members of the UN security Council -- had also been calling for restraint. As has China.

In the end, Pakistan would have had to release Wing Commander Abhinandan Varthaman under the Geneva Convention. But the fact that they did it so quickly can be attributed to the immense pressure from India and other nations to avoid an escalation of the situation.

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/abh...sure-on-pakistan-2000874?pfrom=home-topscroll

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I don’t know whether this is a good move. I want the pilot to get home safely to his family but a part of me thinks maybe we should have held him for longer. Plenty of Indians are now saying Pakistan are scared, the Indian media are broadcasting that Pakistan are scared and hence released him. This looks like a weakness move to many. I do not think it is a weakness move and I see the logic behind it but do you really think Modi cares? Does he really give a c-ap whether we do things as peace gestures? I think we should have held him for longer and we then have the ball in our court and controlled the moves.

The pilot came to Pakistan with the intention to kill Pakistanis and we are treating him like a guest and giving him tea!
 
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ISLAMABAD: Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan on Thursday telephoned Prime Minister Imran Khan and congratulated the latter on his statesman-like offer to India for de-escalating tensions and working towards peace.

Erdogan said that Islam is a religion of peace that underscores resolving disputes in a peaceful manner, according to a statement issued from the PM Khan's office.

Appreciating the announcement by the Pakistan premier to release the captured Indian Air Force (IAF) pilot Abhinandan, the Turkish president pointed out that this gesture was "a sign of strength."

During the conversation, the statement said, Khan briefed the Turkish leader on the situation as it evolved over the past few days and the efforts he made to de-escalate the crisis.

He also referred to the extremely difficult situation in Indian-occupied Kashmir (IoK) and brutalities inflicted upon the Kashmiri people.

Khan thanked Turkish president for his constant support to Pakistan and the Kashmiri people.

The two leaders agreed that President Erdogan’s visit to Pakistan for the Pakistan-Turkey High-Level Strategic Cooperation Council meeting would provide the opportunity for an in-depth overview of bilateral relations and the way forward, the statement read further.

On the occasion, PM Khan underscored that "Pakistan is the one country that will always stand by Turkey," it added.

https://www.geo.tv/latest/229638-er...tes-offer-to-india-for-de-escalating-tensions
 
I don’t know whether this is a good move. I want the pilot to get home safely to his family but a part of me thinks maybe we should have held him for longer. Plenty of Indians are now saying Pakistan are scared, the Indian media are broadcasting that Pakistan are scared and hence released him. This looks like a weakness move to many. I do not think it is a weakness move and I see the logic behind it but do you really think Modi cares? Does he really give a c-ap whether we do things as peace gestures? I think we should have held him for longer and we then have the ball in our court and controlled the moves.

The pilot came to Pakistan with the intention to kill Pakistanis and we are treating him like a guest and giving him tea!

The propoganda value of a magnanimous gesture is higher.
 
Because they have been rendered hopeless and stateless by both governments for decades. India won't stop army from doing anything in Kashmir until there is Pak's support. Explain to me how Pakistan helped Kashmiris in the last 70 years? If you claim somebody your friend and if your friendship has hurt your friend, what is the point of that friendship? The false hopes of independence and the utter hopelessness due to an army state, Kashmiris think they can beat a country like India with a few AK47s. How the heck is that even feasible?

I've never denied Pakistan has made the situation worse for Kashmiris. I am sure at this point, Kashmiris are fed up with both nations and want their independence.

That doesn't change 2 very important facts:

1. IOK has been under Indian rule for the last 70 years and if the Kashmiris there are unhappy then most of that blame lies with India.

2. AJK Kashmiris are much much happier than those of IOK.

I don't think it's about beating India. It's about rejecting India even if it means death and making their point heard.
 
Signing up for the army "doesn't mean WAR".

First you need to learn what signing up for the army entails, then you can launch your diatribes against those who have joined the army.

Are you even in Pakistan, asking for Pakistan to keep waging war?

I would assume not.

Well soldiers are supposed to fight for the country more then office workers for your information. It does not matter where I am. I will have you know that even many people in Pakistan do not want war with India but we don't want to be seen as being weak either. India not Pak started the current situation by crossing the LOC yesterday, angels like you think we should just smile at them then release their soldier. I am afraid people like you are also a threat to Pakistan. The only defence you have is accusing people like me for wanting war when that simply is not true. I want India to suffer more humiliation and wait for when we release their pilot. We should insist that they show evidence to the world of the 350 people they claim to have killed. We should make them release some Pakistanis in their custody as well further rubbing their noses on the ground. Simply letting him go in return for nothing is ridiculous.

 
Interesting Politics. Imran was under pressure but seemed to have rained on Modi's parade neverthless!!!

Perhaps the most telling moment in the information war came on Thursday, when Pakistan seized what could have been India’s triumphant moment, the return of the pilot.

On Thursday afternoon, the whispers from advisers in Mr. Modi’s government were that top Indian generals were ready to make a major announcement at 5 p.m. But well before that time, there was Mr. Khan, standing in Parliament and breaking the news, on live television, that Pakistan would unilaterally send the Indian pilot home.

Keep telling yourself Imran Khan was under pressure and Pakistan was brought to its knees under the mighty Modi. I understand it makes you feel better.

Pakistan was under no pressure to release the pilot. Pakistan had already won the battle.

You are getting your pilot back because Pakistan is showing restraint not weakness. This is a dare to Mr Modi to try and come again. Not only will public perception of that tool change globally but it will be a declaration of war from India.

That being said, honestly whatever makes you feel better. Like I said to another Indian posters, the truth is you guys actually shot down 20 F-16s and Modi was flying a plane himself. I don't know what the video game is called but he's darn good at it.
 
I've never denied Pakistan has made the situation worse for Kashmiris. I am sure at this point, Kashmiris are fed up with both nations and want their independence.

That doesn't change 2 very important facts:

1. IOK has been under Indian rule for the last 70 years and if the Kashmiris there are unhappy then most of that blame lies with India.

2. AJK Kashmiris are much much happier than those of IOK.

I don't think it's about beating India. It's about rejecting India even if it means death and making their point heard.

Fair points. How will that change then? First step is to dismantle the non state actors. That's in India, Pakistan. There needs to be a belief in everybody that there is no external influence in each other's countries. Then they can talk about the genuine issues Kashmiris face. There was a proposed solution not too long ago between Vajpayee and Musharraf. It almost worked. It can work again. But independent Kashmir at this stage is next to impossible.
 
Keep telling yourself Imran Khan was under pressure and Pakistan was brought to its knees under the mighty Modi. I understand it makes you feel better.

Pakistan was under no pressure to release the pilot. Pakistan had already won the battle.

You are getting your pilot back because Pakistan is showing restraint not weakness. This is a dare to Mr Modi to try and come again. Not only will public perception of that tool change globally but it will be a declaration of war from India.

That being said, honestly whatever makes you feel better. Like I said to another Indian posters, the truth is you guys actually shot down 20 F-16s and Modi was flying a plane himself. I don't know what the video game is called but he's darn good at it.

You need to look at the war hysteria yesterday even on PP and compare that to the situation now. See how India and Pakistan have reacted to the war hysteria in their countries. International flights, news etc. Compare the panic in both countries. You will then understand who faced the pressure. It's nothing wrong to be under pressure when you are a smaller country. Based on NYT news, Imran even took the opportunity to steal the Indians' thunder by announcing it first. I said it was weak because Modi was on the mat and Imran gave him a lifeline
 
Yes imran is being pressurize by modi,the same modi who went into hiding when he had to make the decision and put the responsability on it's army(when ik came himself everytime).
Or maybe by the indian army?The same army which didn't dare to do anything even though they got us by surprise(during the surgicalstrike number 2),or do anything when we destroy two of their planes,and ofc the pak army is fearing them that's why they lured them and destroyed the 2 aircraft.
We don't care about modi being reelect,every nation has the government it deserves.
 
I wouldn’t be surprise if radicalized extremist Bhakths PM and Indian media was hoping this pilot to be killled by Pakistani after his plane was shot down so he could continue with his hate filled politics to get re elected.
 
Looks like Pak don't want to escalate things as they know the full consequence, if war breaks out. India need to keep up the pressure till all the terrorist camps targetting our nation are destroyed.
 
Should have kept the enemy pilot for a few months if not 2-3 years. Personally against Khan’s decision.
 
Looks like Pak don't want to escalate things as they know the full consequence, if war breaks out. India need to keep up the pressure till all the terrorist camps targetting our nation are destroyed.

Yes we can't afford chai for 1 billion + peoples , we are already struggling with the tomatoes :uakmal
 
Who's returning the second pilot that landed on the grassy knoll?

There have been some reports that that pilot died due to his injuries. Some Pakistani sources said he was being treated in an army hospital due to severe injuries and the DG ISPR said that 2 pilots were in custody then reverted to 1. Pakistan maybe didn't want to be accused of killing him themselves :13:
 
Imran Khan Says Pakistan Will Release Indian Pilot, Seizing Publicity in Showdown

Prime Minister Imran Khan said on Thursday that Pakistan will release a captured Indian pilot in an effort to de-escalate rising tensions and prevent war between the countries.

NEW DELHI — Prime Minister Imran Khan of Pakistan announced on Thursday that his country would be releasing a captured pilot from India after days of military conflict, offering a way out of the crisis and seeking to position Pakistan as the cooler head in a confrontation that has put the world on edge.

“In our desire of peace, I announce that tomorrow, and as a first step to open negotiations, Pakistan will be releasing the Indian Air Force officer in our custody,” Mr. Khan said.

After hours of relative lull throughout Thursday, the gesture appeared to be a face-saving opening for both countries to head off a war. But Indian officials were guarded, saying that the pilot’s release would not necessarily end the crisis, which they said was rooted in Pakistan’s support of terrorist groups that strike at India.

The days before had brought both nations to the brink. On Tuesday, Indian warplanes dropped bombs inside Pakistan — it is not clear what they hit — and Pakistan shot down at least one Indian fighter jet on Wednesday. Tens of thousands of troops have been rushed to the countries’ border, heavy artillery barrages and gunfire have been volleyed across it, and tank columns have been chugging into place for what many feared could turn into a full-blown war.

Both nations wield nuclear weapons, and China, the United States, Britain and many other countries have been urging them to step away from conflict, which began after a suicide bomber killed more than 40 Indian paramilitary troops in the disputed region of Kashmir on Feb. 14. India accuses Pakistan of aiding in the attack, which was claimed by the terrorist group Jaish-e-Mohammed, but Pakistan has denied it.

At a news conference after his summit meeting in Vietnam on Thursday, President Trump said that there was “reasonably decent” news coming from India and Pakistan and “hopefully it’s going to be coming to an end.”

From the beginning of the showdown, Pakistan’s military publicity wing has demonstrated a knack for dominating the narrative. In particular, the almost immediate official circulation of videos that appeared to show the Indian pilot being first protected from a mob by Pakistani forces, and then remarking on how well he was being treated (“The tea is fantastic!” he said in one clip), became a virally blooming propaganda coup on social media.

But on Thursday, Indian officials insisted that was part of the problem — and made a point of noting that displaying prisoners for propaganda purposes violates the Geneva Conventions.

They suggested that Mr. Khan’s move was an empty ploy that ignored the real problem between the two countries. A senior Indian official told reporters in New Delhi that even if the captured pilot were returned home, there would be no chance “to go back to zero” and ease tensions unless Pakistan acted against terrorist groups that it has traditionally used as proxies against India.

Some observers said that much of the Indian public — and particularly among Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s conservative Hindu political base — had little appetite to take Mr. Khan up on his second offer of the day: to engage in direct talks with Mr. Modi in order to defuse the crisis.

“Over the decades there’s been a real exhaustion and fatigue with Pakistan, and any Indian right now is fed up with Pakistan’s lack of action against terror,” said Alyssa Ayres, a senior fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations. “Indians feel Pakistan is not genuine in its calls for dialogue.”

Pakistan has, however, been better about wielding its public information campaigns.

For instance, when India for the first time in almost 50 years sent fighter jets into Pakistani airspace to launch airstrikes, it was Pakistan that took to social media first.

Hours before any comment from India, a Pakistani military officer tweeted that Indian warplanes had bombed an empty forest and the officer posted photographs showing some craters in the dirt. Later, India claimed to have destroyed a terrorist training camp, but had no evidence to show for it.

On Wednesday, after reports started surfacing online that Pakistan had shot down an Indian fighter jet and captured the pilot, Indian officials denied it. Hours later, they said during a stiff news conference that lasted less than 100 seconds that one Indian pilot was “missing in action.”

But again, Pakistan had the jump. For three hours – an eternity in social media time — videos were going viral on Twitter, Facebook and WhatsApp showing the captured Indian airman in a Pakistan military facility talking with Pakistani officers.

In public, Mr. Khan, a former international cricket star who became prime minister last summer, has tried to appear calm. Early in the crisis, he called for de-escalation, and promised to investigate any evidence linking Pakistan to Jaish-e-Mohammed’s bombings, if India would only share the evidence.

And on Wednesday, even as he claimed that Pakistan had had no choice but to retaliate for India’s airstrikes around Balakot the day before, he also expressed concern that the two countries must calm hostilities rather than risk nuclear war.

Behind the calm exterior, though, is the widespread belief that Pakistan is in no shape right now to wage a major war. Its economy is in deep trouble, with the country running out of hard currency. And most other nations — including China, which has traditionally taken Pakistan’s side in disputes — have pressed Pakistan to take more action against terrorist groups.

In the propaganda war of the past few days, both countries have been guilty of missteps. Pakistan maintained for a day that it had shot down two Indian fighter jets and captured two pilots, only later revising it down to one on each count.

But it is India that has suffered the more glaring contradictions. The government has yet to offer any evidence publicly for its claim that it downed a Pakistan plane, which Indian officials say crashed beyond their border. Likewise, India has offered no proof that its initial airstrike on Tuesday killed “a very large number” of “terrorists, trainers, senior commanders and groups of jihadis,” as India’s foreign secretary has claimed.

Videos of a crushed building filled with bodies that soon began circulating widely on social media in India were quickly debunked. The images were not from the airstrike but from an earthquake in Pakistan more than 10 years ago.

This is beginning to take its toll on Mr. Modi, who is up for election in about two months and who until recently seemed invincible. But in some sectors, he is now being accused of military adventurism. One family of a fallen soldier called the government a liar.

Other Indians seem frustrated.

“The government has been lax and inaccurate in the way information is being let out,’’ said Mohammad Saquib, who works at a hotel in Delhi"

On the Pakistani side, initial fears that the confrontation could slip into war appeared to give way to jubilation at the news that an Indian jet had been shot down and that the pilot, identified by India as Wing Commander Abhinandan Varthaman, had been captured.

Even in the Pakistani media, which has suffered from intense repression by the security forces and initially was introspective about the military’s relationship with militant groups, skepticism has given way to triumphalism. Most criticism was shelved once Indian warplanes crossed Kashmir’s Line of Control on Tuesday.

By Thursday morning, upbeat news anchors appeared on television screens across Pakistan donning military fatigues, and journalists waved their national flag while delivering breaking developments.

Perhaps the most telling moment in the information war came on Thursday, when Pakistan seized what could have been India’s triumphant moment, the return of the pilot.

On Thursday afternoon, the whispers from advisers in Mr. Modi’s government were that top Indian generals were ready to make a major announcement at 5 p.m. But well before that time, there was Mr. Khan, standing in Parliament and breaking the news, on live television, that Pakistan would unilaterally send the Indian pilot home.

Jeffrey Gettleman and Maria Abi-Habib reported from New Delhi, Salman Masood from Islamabad, Pakistan, and Meher Ahmad from Lahore, Pakistan.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/28/world/asia/pakistan-india-pilot-kashmir.html
 
American or Saudis can't force us to release someone who violated our air space purposesly and could have cause damage to people or property.

Yes they can.And they have. Given your precarious economic situation you cannot afford to go againist countries that provide you financial assistance, and at the same time have a escalating war like situation with India.
 
I find it hilarious that he is being transported by land.

So will he be brought to the Wagah border and simply pushed to the other side? :91:
 
Yes they can.And they have. Given your precarious economic situation you cannot afford to go againist countries that provide you financial assistance, and at the same time have a escalating war like situation with India.

You finished wiping your tears yet. Don't mess with the best. Got taught a big lesson now shut up and stop hyping yourselves on social media and on your media. We taught you a lesson. Your army had no answer and couldn't do nothing back.
 
Looks like Pak don't want to escalate things as they know the full consequence, if war breaks out. India need to keep up the pressure till all the terrorist camps targetting our nation are destroyed.

Yes. Talking of peace while supporting an armed seccessionist movement in India.
 
You finished wiping your tears yet. Don't mess with the best. Got taught a big lesson now shut up and stop hyping yourselves on social media and on your media. We taught you a lesson. Your army had no answer and couldn't do nothing back.

What did you do? Lol.

Returned our pilot in 48hrs. Thats all. Is that all you can do?

After Pulwama terror attack.

Indian airforce enters Pakistan and drops bombs near Balakot. Official casualties unknown

Pakistan in retaliation tries to enter Indian air space and is intercepted. India loses a Mig 21, PAF loses a aircraft. Indian Pilot made PoW and is being released within 48hrs due to diplomatic pressure.

Pakistan forced to close its entire air space and declare blackouts at cities like Karachi.

India closes 4 airports for few hours, life goes on as usual in all major cities.

So for Pakistan, supporting these terrorist groups to attack India is not going to be a cheap low cost option going ahead. Thats the paradigm shift. This even though India has not de escalated and pak airspace is still partially closed.

Keep the jingoism going though. Lol.
 
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What a nasty piece of work this guy is. And how stupid is this channel?
 
What did you do? Lol.

Returned our pilot in 48hrs. Thats all. Is that all you can do?

After Pulwama terror attack.

Indian airforce enters Pakistan and drops bombs near Balakot. Official casualties unknown

Pakistan in retaliation tries to enter Indian air space and is intercepted. India loses a Mig 21, PAF loses a aircraft. Indian Pilot made PoW and is being released within 48hrs due to diplomatic pressure.

Pakistan forced to close its entire air space and declare blackouts at cities like Karachi.

India closes 4 airports for few hours, life goes on as usual in all major cities.

So for Pakistan, supporting these terrorist groups to attack India is not going to be a cheap low cost option going ahead. Thats the paradigm shift. This even though India has not de escalated and pak airspace is still partially closed.

Keep the jingoism going though. Lol.

You are so cute.
 
You know what will be funny? When the Indian media will interview Abhinandan and he will be full of praises of how Pakistan handled him and the whole situation.

There will be some calls of branding him a traitor :))

Jai Hind :salute

This will not be happening as he would be pre warned making any claims to make Pak look in too favourable state.
This morning NDTV journalist was interviewing a senior Singh ex something who will receive the pilot from the Wagha Border. Journalist implied to the Singh gentleman that Pak had to release the Pilot by Geneva agreement. To which the Singh gentleman told him no they did not have to release him but just look after him as POW,so it a very good gesture from Pak. To this the journalist had no answer. They keep embarrassing themselves.
 
What did you do? Lol.

Returned our pilot in 48hrs. Thats all. Is that all you can do?

After Pulwama terror attack.

Indian airforce enters Pakistan and drops bombs near Balakot. Official casualties unknown

Pakistan in retaliation tries to enter Indian air space and is intercepted. India loses a Mig 21, PAF loses a aircraft. Indian Pilot made PoW and is being released within 48hrs due to diplomatic pressure.

Pakistan forced to close its entire air space and declare blackouts at cities like Karachi.

India closes 4 airports for few hours, life goes on as usual in all major cities.

So for Pakistan, supporting these terrorist groups to attack India is not going to be a cheap low cost option going ahead. Thats the paradigm shift. This even though India has not de escalated and pak airspace is still partially closed.

Keep the jingoism going though. Lol.

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And this India Today is a top indian news site? Look at the words in their handline "Massive victory for India, IAF pilot to return to the country tomorrow."

India seems to have no shortage of people (particularly in their media) who are primitive minded when it comes to any kind of conflict, small or large. I have met a ton of them like that in Canada. This is not just at global stage but in every day life. If the other person ignores them, they see it as a weakness. If the other person lets go of their crap and gives them another chance, they see it as a weakness. I am not saying all Indians are like that - in fact, just as many if not more that I've met are not like this. This is the same ape mentality at display here again. This is their media so Pakistan can ignore them, but don't be surprised Modi is still thinking along these lines.
 
An interesting read from Nathan Ruser about India's Airstikes in Balakot

He has shared some satellites imagery also.

However, based on the available evidence—satellite imagery, official statements, and reported leaks to the media—it appears plausible that India’s strikes in Pakistan were designed primarily to placate a domestic audience while simultaneously limiting escalation by not targeting built-up areas and causing substantial casualties. India’s upcoming election placed significant pressure on Prime Minister Narendra Modi to act in retaliation for the Pulwama attack. There was a requirement to balance the domestic desire for a strong response with the risk of a broader military conflict that would be costly for both countries.

https://www.aspistrategist.org.au/were-indias-airstrikes-in-pakistan-a-strategy-for-public-approval/
 
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