Pakistan U-19 all-rounder Shadab Khan

[MMHS]

It's good that kid is focusing on his bowling - that's the only way he can make his name, a bowling all rounder. Should play ODI by next winter in UAE.

 

[DRsohail]

It's good that kid is focusing on his bowling - that's the only way he can make his name, a bowling all rounder. Should play ODI by next winter in UAE.

i have some feeling that he may become another afridi for us....

 

[DRsohail]

It's good that kid is focusing on his bowling - that's the only way he can make his name, a bowling all rounder. Should play ODI by next winter in UAE.

many similarities with afridi..hard hitting.batsman..young..and we will be scraching our hair for 15 years,,but if he is a genuine leggi then i dont mind his batting whatever it is.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

Another Cool Performance.


Find of the tour uptil now along with Saad Ali.


Keep going lads.

 

[pak4life]

Leg spin is a hard art to master. Lets hope his not thrown in the deep end too soon. Should spend a few years getting some 1st class games under his belt.

 

[MMHS]

many similarities with afridi..hard hitting.batsman..young..and we will be scraching our hair for 15 years,,but if he is a genuine leggi then i dont mind his batting whatever it is.

Afridi wasted his career for cheap claps - he had the potential to become first International all rounder with 15K runs, 1000 wickets & 100 catches.

Read my post somewhere early in this thread - that should be the career path for Shadab. His ideal role model should be Richie Benaud - if he becomes half the cricketer Richi was, he'll play 20+ years for PAK on merit.

 

[saeed5646]

He is the star of Pakistan A team

fiver for Shadab

Excellent Shadab khan i hope He is picked IN pSL the perfect franchise would be Karachi king for him

Mickey would see and judge his talent and also Malik like legie in the team

 

[Hasan123]

Shadab and Saad are finds of the tour. Don't be suprised if Saad is in the test squad when Misbah and Younis retire.

 

[DRsohail]

Afridi wasted his career for cheap claps - he had the potential to become first International all rounder with 15K runs, 1000 wickets & 100 catches.

Read my post somewhere early in this thread - that should be the career path for Shadab. His ideal role model should be Richie Benaud - if he becomes half the cricketer Richi was, he'll play 20+ years for PAK on merit.

completely agreed...afridi had more abilities than what his record show he wasted his potential thinking that i am the best and didnt work on his weakness and did transfer his attitude to umar and shezi....

 

[Monsee]

Shadab and Saad are finds of the tour. Don't be suprised if Saad is in the test squad when Misbah and Younis retire.

This brings me to another player in the team, it really says something when a tried and tested failure (Amin) cannot even dominate on the A team scene especially since the opposition is the Mighty Zimbabwe team!

I wonder what people see in him to even argue for his inclusion in the senior team, first he has to produce at the A level and show us he has improved from the 2010 days

In a game where Shadab scored 132, he managed a 30 and a '0', noiice

 

[Hasan123]

This brings me to another player in the team, it really says something when a tried and tested failure (Amin) cannot even dominate on the A team scene especially since the opposition is the Mighty Zimbabwe team!

I wonder what people see in him to even argue for his inclusion in the senior team, first he has to produce at the A level and show us he has improved from the 2010 days

In a game where Shadab scored 132, he managed a 30 and a '0', noiice

Amin has failed to take his opportunity here which is very disappointing. Shows that he is still mentally weak, very annoyed at his performance but glad Saad Ali has done well.

Yes if Shadab can score no excuse for Amins failure

 

[srh]

looks like a monster in making

 

[Monsee]

Amin has failed to take his opportunity here which is very disappointing. Shows that he is still mentally weak, very annoyed at his performance but glad Saad Ali has done well.

Yes if Shadab can score no excuse for Amins failure

I am surprised most of his followers/fans have not seen this after him being in spot light for 8-10 years now (I think he came from the U19 side first)...that has always been the key issue I always found him to be displaying...otherwise if people like Ahmed Shehzad could score at Int'l level or Butt, what was stopping him from doing that especially in ODI's?

 

[Ami]

Go on lad...one for the future!
Having said that we have plenty of leggies, left armers etc...
Do we have any right arm off spinners in domestic apart from malik, hafeez and ifti?
I mean decent ones not has-beens.

 

[last_knight]

Amongst Yasir, Usama, Shahzaib, Shadab & Irfan batting wise Shadab is the best followed by Irfan.


But Shadab needs 1 - 2 years. Legspinning Art needs time to develop. He is genuine 17-18 so he should be picked after Champions Trophy or even after Next Qea Trophy.


In the meantime Pakistan must move on from Yasir Shah in Odi Cricket. He is not a limited overs spinner by any mean.

Can we find one spinner in the history of cricket who is successful in tests yet a failure in ODIs ?

NONE.

Murali and Warne would have failed under Azhar anyway, who bowls offies against RHB and Leggies against LHB because thats what is programmed. ( This is intended to not criticise Azhar Ali, but to highlight unwarranted criticism against Yasir which is unfair).

Nawaz of PSL was looking a gem but went missing in ODIs. Any promising young spinner shouldn't debut under Azhar for the time being.

Yasir aside, who are the other spinners IN HISTORY to have success in tests and failures in ODIs?

 

[Obstructing_the_field]

any videos of him?

 

[Mainul]

i have some feeling that he may become another afridi for us....

I don't hope for it, i hope him to be a lot better.Afridi was not so skilled and mature to play 20 long years for a team like Pakistan.He got favor of selectors and media.He was very lucky to play in a team from 1996 to 2008 when there were more talented cricketers than him around. But he was a fun boy, boom boom but never a dependable player whom you can trust in crunch situation to win you a match.

 

[Hasan123]

I am surprised most of his followers/fans have not seen this after him being in spot light for 8-10 years now (I think he came from the U19 side first)...that has always been the key issue I always found him to be displaying...otherwise if people like Ahmed Shehzad could score at Int'l level or Butt, what was stopping him from doing that especially in ODI's?

[MENTION=134608]Hawkeye[/MENTION] is a big fan of Amin. There is no excuse for tbis failure tbh.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

Can we find one spinner in the history of cricket who is successful in tests yet a failure in ODIs ?

NONE.

Murali and Warne would have failed under Azhar anyway, who bowls offies against RHB and Leggies against LHB because thats what is programmed. ( This is intended to not criticise Azhar Ali, but to highlight unwarranted criticism against Yasir which is unfair).

Nawaz of PSL was looking a gem but went missing in ODIs. Any promising young spinner shouldn't debut under Azhar for the time being.

Yasir aside, who are the other spinners IN HISTORY to have success in tests and failures in ODIs?

Every Case is a different Case Brother.


In Odi's those genuine spinners not allrounders have succeeded who turn the ball sharply barring exceptions kumble & vettori.


Yasir doesn't bowl at a fast pace like kumble nor he varies pace like vettori. Vettori was a container than a wicket taker plus he was again an allrounder.


We need our Spinner to be wicket taker like Saqlain and Ajmal were wicket takers and game changers.


Be it be Azhar as Captain or anyone else Yasir in Odis looks out of Sorts.


Hum Zabardasti Odi Cricket khila rahay hein Yasir Shah ko.


My View.

 

[Square Drive]

Fantastic prospect.

Might make it into the side within 1-2 years ahead of the likes of Gohar, Mir, Raza Hasan, and even Asghar, the way he's going at the moment.

Can't believe some rated Saif Badar and others over Shadab at one point.

 

[aloo paratha]

Insane performances from him, hopefully he keeps getting better and better!

 

[MMHS]

Every Case is a different Case Brother.


In Odi's those genuine spinners not allrounders have succeeded who turn the ball sharply barring exceptions kumble & vettori.


Yasir doesn't bowl at a fast pace like kumble nor he varies pace like vettori. Vettori was a container than a wicket taker plus he was again an allrounder.


We need our Spinner to be wicket taker like Saqlain and Ajmal were wicket takers and game changers.


Be it be Azhar as Captain or anyone else Yasir in Odis looks out of Sorts.


Hum Zabardasti Odi Cricket khila rahay hein Yasir Shah ko.


My View.

Yasir will be a better ODI leggi than Tahir. PAK's last ODI leggi was Afridi & the THICK tank is programmed in that mood operendi. Afridi was a pressure bowler - a squeezer with little variation or turn, but quite accurate & bowled at variable pace. His game was to generate dot balls & create score board pressure - hardly you'll see Afridi to knock middle order batsmen between over 11-40, when bowling first. But, he was quite effective to defend a decent total, particularly if it's on UAE like sluggish wickets.

Yasir is totally different - accurate leggi but with lots of variation & turn. He should be used in ODI like a Test match spinner - slower through air, catching fielders & encouragement to get wickets, rather than choking runs. Shane & Qadir bowled like that throughout their career, so did Mushi & now Tahir. The quality of spin play these days is in such a level that every good side is having a genuine leggi - Tahir, Zampa, Shodhi, Mishra, Rashid - and they are used to get wickets. PAK has the best of the lot & he is not played, because he comes with a risk of leaking boundary.

Ajmal or Saqui were finger spinners - operating with them is not like using a Leggi, hence Misbah used Ajmal. Had Ajmal maintained the same average at better SR, but an economy like 5; he would have been dropped by Misbah long, long, long back. This guy Misbah is terrified about concedeing boundaries - in Test matches, defending 450, if someone hits couple of boundaries, he'll put 4 men on line or take the bowler off. First Test against AUS, Yasir took a couple in first few overs; then Warner hit him for couple of boundaries - Yasir bowled 14 or 15 overs in total in that innings. Azhar is a carbon copy of Misbah in thought process - Yasir will be an inferior ODI spinner than Afridi under him.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

Yasir will be a better ODI leggi than Tahir. PAK's last ODI leggi was Afridi & the THICK tank is programmed in that mood operendi. Afridi was a pressure bowler - a squeezer with little variation or turn, but quite accurate & bowled at variable pace. His game was to generate dot balls & create score board pressure - hardly you'll see Afridi to knock middle order batsmen between over 11-40, when bowling first. But, he was quite effective to defend a decent total, particularly if it's on UAE like sluggish wickets.

Yasir is totally different - accurate leggi but with lots of variation & turn. He should be used in ODI like a Test match spinner - slower through air, catching fielders & encouragement to get wickets, rather than choking runs. Shane & Qadir bowled like that throughout their career, so did Mushi & now Tahir. The quality of spin play these days is in such a level that every good side is having a genuine leggi - Tahir, Zampa, Shodhi, Mishra, Rashid - and they are used to get wickets. PAK has the best of the lot & he is not played, because he comes with a risk of leaking boundary.

Ajmal or Saqui were finger spinners - operating with them is not like using a Leggi, hence Misbah used Ajmal. Had Ajmal maintained the same average at better SR, but an economy like 5; he would have been dropped by Misbah long, long, long back. This guy Misbah is terrified about concedeing boundaries - in Test matches, defending 450, if someone hits couple of boundaries, he'll put 4 men on line or take the bowler off. First Test against AUS, Yasir took a couple in first few overs; then Warner hit him for couple of boundaries - Yasir bowled 14 or 15 overs in total in that innings. Azhar is a carbon copy of Misbah in thought process - Yasir will be an inferior ODI spinner than Afridi under him.

Agree with Most Part but Yasir in Odis on Odi wickets turns the ball lesser than Imran, Adil & Sodhi.


Captaincy has been an Issue but Apart from 1 match against Zimbabwe Yasir has not performed in any Odi match substantially especially against Top Batting Sides.


I think he has not been upto mark in Odi Cricket and Probably he is not made for this format just like Dale Steyn's Tests vs Odis performances.


Cannot Put all on the Captains.


Yasir doesn't have a mean googly and flipper in his armoury and his legbreaks do not turn much in Odi Cricket atleast.



Sometimes One isn't Cut for a certain format No matter how good He is in the other format. I wish and pray Yasir proves me wrong and proves you right.



Don't rate Azhar as a tactician. He is very poor. But He isn't going anywhere for next 2-3 Series now So if Yasir gets a chance again He has to perform under the same Leader with possibly same field placings.

 

[MMHS]

Agree with Most Part but Yasir in Odis on Odi wickets turns the ball lesser than Imran, Adil & Sodhi.


Captaincy has been an Issue but Apart from 1 match against Zimbabwe Yasir has not performed in any Odi match substantially especially against Top Batting Sides.


I think he has not been upto mark in Odi Cricket and Probably he is not made for this format just like Dale Steyn's Tests vs Odis performances.


Cannot Put all on the Captains.


Yasir doesn't have a mean googly and flipper in his armoury and his legbreaks do not turn much in Odi Cricket atleast.



Sometimes One isn't Cut for a certain format No matter how good He is in the other format. I wish and pray Yasir proves me wrong and proves you right.



Don't rate Azhar as a tactician. He is very poor. But He isn't going anywhere for next 2-3 Series now So if Yasir gets a chance again He has to perform under the same Leader with possibly same field placings.

Yasir doesn't turn much, because he bowls faster in ODI & the field set for him doesn't encourage flighted slower spin. Normally, position of sweeper cover, short 3rd man, squire leg boundary, mid wicket fielder's position indicates at what pace a spinner should bowl. These days, ODI wickets are much flatter than Test wicket, hence spinners have to give it more air & need to bowl slower to get turns. Yasir operates around 85-86 KM in Test at faster end - in ODI that goes to around 91-93 level.

Last year, Azhar had 315 to defend against Lanka - so, he was relaxed & gave the luxury to Yasir expressing his bowling variations. Yasir had a return of 10-1-29-4. He'll be much, much effective if he is encouraged (& facilitated) to buy wickets for even an economy of 6+

 

[ExpressPacer]

Good prospects for Pakistan in the legspin department. Yasir, Usama Mir, Shahzaib, Irfan and now Shadab. Its sort of saddening to see that only one of them will reach the limelight more often though, which is Yasir probably because he is best of the lot and has more experience. Reminds me of Stuart MacGill. However, I think Irfan needs to be given chances and groomed well because he looks the best out of the rest and given his similarities or Warne and batting ability, he could be lethal.

 

[DRsohail]

I don't hope for it, i hope him to be a lot better.Afridi was not so skilled and mature to play 20 long years for a team like Pakistan.He got favor of selectors and media.He was very lucky to play in a team from 1996 to 2008 when there were more talented cricketers than him around. But he was a fun boy, boom boom but never a dependable player whom you can trust in crunch situation to win you a match.

i agreed..thats why i am worried for shadab khan..

 

[DRsohail]

Yasir doesn't turn much, because he bowls faster in ODI & the field set for him doesn't encourage flighted slower spin. Normally, position of sweeper cover, short 3rd man, squire leg boundary, mid wicket fielder's position indicates at what pace a spinner should bowl. These days, ODI wickets are much flatter than Test wicket, hence spinners have to give it more air & need to bowl slower to get turns. Yasir operates around 85-86 KM in Test at faster end - in ODI that goes to around 91-93 level.

Last year, Azhar had 315 to defend against Lanka - so, he was relaxed & gave the luxury to Yasir expressing his bowling variations. Yasir had a return of 10-1-29-4. He'll be much, much effective if he is encouraged (& facilitated) to buy wickets for even an economy of 6+

yes azhar is not the captain for yasir to play under him...may be sarfo will do better for him.

 

[aloo paratha]

Been selected by Islamabad for PSL!

But says he is a supplementary player, what's that supposed to mean? will he get to play?

 

[Ellipsism]

Been selected by Islamabad for PSL!

But says he is a supplementary player, what's that supposed to mean? will he get to play?

He'll play.

 

[aloo paratha]

He'll play.

Good news! This kid is a really good prospect and I hope he keeps improving like this. Seems he could be a very good all rounder for us at #5 in the future in ODIs, can bat and can certainly bowl 10 overs.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

Pen it down.


He will play for Pakistan.

Told you with the world of certainty.


Well done Shadab. May Allah give you success and a great career. Well Done Young Man. Stay grounded. Way to Go.

 

[Hamza_]

Told you with the world of certainty.


Well done Shadab. May Allah give you success and a great career. Well Done Young Man. Stay grounded. Way to Go.

This bloke is someone you can call a talent.

If he continues on good work, Will be one of the finest all-rounders of the game.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

This bloke is someone you can call a talent.

If he continues on good work, Will be one of the finest all-rounders of the game.

InshaAllah.



Saud Shakeel will also play for Pakistan provided he stays healthy.

 

[Hamza_]

InshaAllah.



Saud Shakeel will also play for Pakistan provided he stays healthy.

In Sha Allah.

I'm still shocked about Sharjeel yaar. Was such a big fan, Hopefully now we find such a left hander again who can cut, jab and pull that good