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Pakistan Under-19 woes stem from years of neglect of its grassroots structure

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Many thanks to [MENTION=53290]Markhor[/MENTION] for this write-up.


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Another World Cup campaign ends at the hands of India. It’s becoming a familiar tale whether the senior team or juniors are involved against the old enemy. Pakistan does not simply suffer from a mental block, but a technical block against India who looked far superior in all departments in the semi-final of the 2020 U19 World Cup in Potchefstroom. It was another grim reminder of the widening gulf between the two archrivals.

To India’s credit, their bowlers gave nothing away. Kartik Tyagi and Sushant Mishra rarely erred with their lines and lengths and denied Pakistan’s batsmen the opportunity to free their arms. India is now producing a pace bowling factory that was unthinkable 10-15 years ago. Pakistan, meanwhile, never looked capable of taking a wicket as the impressive Yashasvi Jaiswal looked in full control of a modest run chase. Only Haider Ali and Rohail Nazir contributed meaningfully with a pair of fifties but the next highest score was 21, and the last six wickets fell for 26 at a time when Pakistan was looking to accelerate.

Despite the burgeoning reputations of Haider Ali and Rohail Nazir, who benefited recently from First Class exposure in the Quaid-e-Azam Trophy, neither were able to make an impression bar fifties in the final match vs India. They were Pakistan’s most seasoned batsmen but their technical deficiencies became apparent. Haider, whilst an eye-catching batsman, must find a way of combatting the short ball and improve his strike rotation. Rohail meanwhile looks far from ready for international cricket. Neither look in the same league as the impressive Jaiswal.

There were positives elsewhere in the camp. The big-hitting of wicket-keeper batsman Mohammad Haris and allrounder Qasim Akram propelled Pakistan to a matchwinning total vs Zimbabwe, while Mohammad Huraira steered Pakistan home in what could’ve been a potentially awkward run-chase against Afghanistan and their spin threat. Huraira especially looks an exciting prospect coming off an impressive showing in the National U19 One Day Cup held last October where he averaged 68, and in the Regional U19 Inter-District tournament last January where he averaged 136 with two tons to his name. His style of batting bears an uncanny resemblance to Babar Azam and a First Class contract surely beckons. However, the trio all failed in the big game vs India, with Akram involved in a comical runout with his skipper Rohail.

Ijaz Ahmed said upon appointment as U19 coach that he would transfer all of the credit onto the players, and take all of the blame upon himself. Ijaz must then prepare himself now for the criticism rightly coming his way. The first place to start is the selection of all-rounder Fahad Munir at #3. Munir failed in his two outings in the 2019 U19 Asia Cup and in the seven-match Youth ODI series in South Africa yet was promoted to a position normally reserved for a side’s best batsman! Munir scored a slow fifty against lowly Zimbabwe in the second group game followed by a painful 2 off 18 vs Afghanistan, and a 16 ball duck against India, ending a torrid tournament with an average of 18 and an SR of 48 – slow even for Test match standards.

One must, therefore, ask on what basis were the selectors picking batsmen for the World Cup? Why did the junior selectors pick only two of the top seven runscorers from the National U19 domestic one-day tournament?

The bowlers looked ordinary and a level below the 2018 class that produced Shaheen Afridi and Arshad Iqbal. Despite the hype surrounding Mohammad Amir Khan and Tahir Hussain, neither were express pace. Khan especially needs work on his run-up and action. There was also no sign of Pakistan identifying big turning spinners, and continue to produce an abundance of wicket-to-wicket darters.

So why is Pakistan walking away from another U19 World Cup empty-handed? If Pakistan is to avoid further humiliation in the future, then it must look to invest in properly trained junior age group coaches. The most critical time for any aspiring international cricketer is the early years between 13 and 21. During this age, the basics are ingrained into one’s head. Yet the number of U19 cricketers produced recently with technical deficiencies, inability to find the gaps or bowl in the same area consistently is a damning indictment of Pakistan’s grassroots infrastructure.

How can it be that at the same age, India’s youngsters look so technically assured, full of confidence and looking unfazed by the rigours of top-level cricket? It is because India has invested the dividends of their cricketing boom in exactly the right areas – school cricket, academies, junior coaching and upgrading facilities. It’s all well for the PCB to ensure the wellbeing of the national team and launching glitzy events like the Pakistan Super League, but it’s the strength of the grassroots game that’ll determine the future direction of Pakistan cricket. The string of poor U19 results in major tournaments is a direct result of years of neglect and chronic underinvestment. One wonders how low Pakistan cricket must dink before the penny drops with Pakistan’s administrators.
 
Nice write-up as usual!

Ijaz Ahmed as coach - is he the best we can find in Pakistan? Should we look for a foreign coach/staff for the U19 project?

Number of games U19 play - looks to me this is something which happens once in a while instead of a buildup for the big tournament.

PCB need to either get serious about U19s or say clearly that this is a timepass.
 
IN ADDITION TO THE ABOVE.

Irfan Khan was sent to bat at number 4 in the first game against Scotland, and he played a decent inning of 38 runs (37 balls). Thereafter, he was surprisingly demoted to number 7 position.

On the other hand, considering the fact that he was selected as a batting all-rounder, why he was never given the ball in any game including the semi-final when all the mainstream bowlers failed to get a solitary wicket?

I don’t know what the logic behind this all is.
 
well if we can win the third place play off on saturday this will be the best result by far in the last 8 years or so i think. I see a lot of positives in batting for once. Hurraira who generally looks 17 must have another un 19 world cup in him and looks to have modelled himself on williamson which is great. I dont see any bowlers for the future though
 
The 1st thing we need to sort is the age issue, which we means that we are not sure who is genuine or fake. Any player that represents any Province or PK u19 must have attested proof( from at least 3 people they went to school with, if they dont, they cant play) and NADRA card history so that cant suddenly became 16, when they are 20.
 
well if we can win the third place play off on saturday this will be the best result by far in the last 8 years or so i think. I see a lot of positives in batting for once. Hurraira who generally looks 17 must have another un 19 world cup in him and looks to have modelled himself on williamson which is great. I dont see any bowlers for the future though

If I am not wrong Pak U19 rarely plays places playoffs well due to low morale. I hope they show up as complete professionals this time around.
 
Good write up.

It is a very average bunch of cricketers and the semifinal exit flatters them. They couldn’t have had a more easier group and a more easier road to the semifinals.

Apart from Haider, I don’t see any of these players making much of an impression in international cricket.
 
Good write up.

It is a very average bunch of cricketers and the semifinal exit flatters them. They couldn’t have had a more easier group and a more easier road to the semifinals.

Apart from Haider, I don’t see any of these players making much of an impression in international cricket.

Untrue. Had they beaten Bangladesh in the group (it not being washed out) they could have faced South Africa followed by New Zealand before bowing out to India in the finals.

Bangladesh got the long stick here.

I do agree with you in principle though. World cup was very mediocre all round compared to past years. This team shows some sparks, but without the proper coaching and training they choked when they were finally tested by a good opponent.
 
Nice write-up as usual!

Ijaz Ahmed as coach - is he the best we can find in Pakistan? Should we look for a foreign coach/staff for the U19 project?

Number of games U19 play - looks to me this is something which happens once in a while instead of a buildup for the big tournament.

PCB need to either get serious about U19s or say clearly that this is a timepass.

No one was complaining when Ijaz Ahmed got the nod over Younis Khan and Saqlain Mushtaq. In fact many were applauding the PCB for showing the door to these money hungry drama queens and selecting Ijaz Ahmed. Why the wrist slitting now?
 
The 1st thing we need to sort is the age issue, which we means that we are not sure who is genuine or fake. Any player that represents any Province or PK u19 must have attested proof( from at least 3 people they went to school with, if they dont, they cant play) and NADRA card history so that cant suddenly became 16, when they are 20.

True, we've had far too many grown men masquerading as boys. These fudgers are hyped to the moon beating up on genuine U19s, but are immediately exposed once they graduate to international cricket.

However even if we had a clean system, without trained coaches ensuring the basics are ingrained at junior level then we'll keep churning out technically deficient cricketers who'll get embarrassed like this lot did v Ind.
 
This is just emotional reaction to defeat by arch rivals. The fact is Pakistan will demolish Bangladesh in the test series 3 days and all this talk about system,coach,merit will start to dissipate. Post PSL, all this will be forgotten, hope will rejuvenate and all this negative talk will completely vanish other than a few professional habitual detractors and disgruntled elements.

The fact is dysfunction is part and parcel of the sub-continental culture and it will always be there and it will never ever completely disappear. And yet, players will emerge, bring glory to their country, become legends and the life goes on. Its time, you stop beating a dead horse. The Utopian world that some of posters describe or aspire will never materialize and this is true for all the sub-continent teams. Because that who we are and will be. End of. Just Chill and Cricket People!
 
This is just emotional reaction to defeat by arch rivals. The fact is Pakistan will demolish Bangladesh in the test series 3 days and all this talk about system,coach,merit will start to dissipate. Post PSL, all this will be forgotten, hope will rejuvenate and all this negative talk will completely vanish other than a few professional habitual detractors and disgruntled elements.

The fact is dysfunction is part and parcel of the sub-continental culture and it will always be there and it will never ever completely disappear. And yet, players will emerge, bring glory to their country, become legends and the life goes on. Its time, you stop beating a dead horse. The Utopian world that some of posters describe or aspire will never materialize and this is true for all the sub-continent teams. Because that who we are and will be. End of. Just Chill and Cricket People!

Unfortunately, while you’re right about this negativity being replaced with optimism, it will not placate the justified fears of a dysfunctional system that must be changed.

The time for PCB to take notice is now, (and there are some few very easy steps it can immediately take). However, if all is forgotten as you say it should be, the 2022 U19 WC will turn out to be very much the same. And the 2023 men’s World Cup. And the 2027 WC. And so on.

I want to see us performing well again at the world stage. We are not on course for that as of now.
 
Pakistan cricket seems to still think that natural talent will still see us home and will continue to carry the team forward. Forget it!

Wasims, Waqars and Inzis are once in a generation players. Most players have to be developed, groomed and nurtured properly to become international players of a high quality.

The problem at the moment is that too many of our young cricketers don't have the basics and are not being taught the right way. Instead they become cricketers who are ok when things are going well, but when the going gets tough they lack the ability and mental toughness to raise their game.
 
The old times have left us behind. Fitness and skill training is the present and future of all international teams who want to win tournaments, which require beating the Big 3.
 
This is just emotional reaction to defeat by arch rivals. The fact is Pakistan will demolish Bangladesh in the test series 3 days and all this talk about system,coach,merit will start to dissipate. Post PSL, all this will be forgotten, hope will rejuvenate and all this negative talk will completely vanish other than a few professional habitual detractors and disgruntled elements.

The fact is dysfunction is part and parcel of the sub-continental culture and it will always be there and it will never ever completely disappear. And yet, players will emerge, bring glory to their country, become legends and the life goes on. Its time, you stop beating a dead horse. The Utopian world that some of posters describe or aspire will never materialize and this is true for all the sub-continent teams. Because that who we are and will be. End of. Just Chill and Cricket People!

I think the truth is that Indian Cricket is perhaps showing its best ever form in its history, they are literally that far ahead of the others now in all departments. India is to Pakistan what Australia/South Africa were to Pakistan. Pakistani Cricket is not great but its not as bad as the defeat to India shows, India is just the much better team which will expose the Pakistani team 19 times out of 20.

Not playing frequently against India has hurt Pakistan Cricket. Players don't get frequent exposure and us fans don't get frequent reality checks on where this team truly stands.
 
Pakistan cricket seems to still think that natural talent will still see us home and will continue to carry the team forward. Forget it!

Wasims, Waqars and Inzis are once in a generation players. Most players have to be developed, groomed and nurtured properly to become international players of a high quality.

The problem at the moment is that too many of our young cricketers don't have the basics and are not being taught the right way. Instead they become cricketers who are ok when things are going well, but when the going gets tough they lack the ability and mental toughness to raise their game.

Wasn't Mudassar Nazar in charge of the NCA and the Academies? I wonder how will he rate his own performance.

I didn't see too many people complaining about Ijaz Ahmed's appointment over Younis Khan and Saqlain Mushtaq as the U-19 coach, in fact people praised the PCB for choosing him over the drama queen and the money hungry individual, so to crap over Ijaz now is unfair.

And lets be real, what natural talent? I have not seen a single international talent quality player coming from Pakistan Cricket for ages. I also think our players over the long run do not take responsibility for their own fitness, games and are content with mediocrity. Our players generally tend to decline and nose dive with experience.
 
Nothing will happen as usual.PCB doesn't run by true professional, skill, honest and intelligent people.
 
Pakistan cricket seems to still think that natural talent will still see us home and will continue to carry the team forward. Forget it!

Wasims, Waqars and Inzis are once in a generation players. Most players have to be developed, groomed and nurtured properly to become international players of a high quality.

The problem at the moment is that too many of our young cricketers don't have the basics and are not being taught the right way. Instead they become cricketers who are ok when things are going well, but when the going gets tough they lack the ability and mental toughness to raise their game.

@ what's your opinion about Wasim Khan? So far nothing to show.
 
I have seen some young Indian academy cricketers up close. They were miles ahead of the english ones. The batting technique was just way way ahead and i was surprised to see they could bowl well too..then I saw two uncoached young pakistani lads rock up to the nets, smash everyone and get selected for the academy elite team within a few sessions lol..

but the Indian bachay were well behaved, good technique some natural talent but mostly well coached.

If we could copy their process I think our boys would be deadly..the amount of natural talent i see in young pakistanis is just amazing..
 
pffft.
england ,australia didnot make the semi finals, therefore their under 19 woes stem from years of neglect.

faulty logic 101 applied here. an overreaction to a one off against a country that should not be allowed to play in international tournaments anyway.
 
pffft.
england ,australia didnot make the semi finals, therefore their under 19 woes stem from years of neglect.

faulty logic 101 applied here. an overreaction to a one off against a country that should not be allowed to play in international tournaments anyway.
A one off ? What happened in the 2018 U19 WC v India ? When was the last time Pakistan even won an U19 World Cup or U19 Asia Cup ?

Okay you can argue wins and losses aren't everything at U19 level but the manner of these crushing defeats don't bode well for the future. Even our route to the semi final was on the back of beating fairly weak opposition in the group stage.

If the argument is U19 results are irrelevant and only the identification of future international cricketers matter - let me ask you how many quality young batsmen have emerged lately ? Or spinners who aren't simply wicket to wicket darters and can actually turn the ball ? Or seamers who know how to use the new ball ? We suck in that regard too.

Why ? Underinvestment in trained coaches at junior level and in regional academies is the main reason. That's why India are producing technically assured batsmen who can play at a high SR and know how to pace their innings even at U19 level - and we produce limited and technically deficient batsmen stuck in 1990s mindset.

England and Australia may not be winning U19 World Cups but are miles ahead of Pakistan with their grassroots and domestic systems as evident by the rankings.
 
Pakistani talent needs no coaching. They thrive better in a less rigid, free flowing environment where their natural raw talent can rule the roost. There are no examples of a well coached superstar in Pakistani cricket history. All of them were self driven with natural talent and hunger to succeed.
 
@ what's your opinion about Wasim Khan? So far nothing to show.

Trying hard, but there is lots to do.

I will judge him after 3 years of his work.

He will make some good decisions and mistakes, let's see how this goes.
 
What PK needs is facilities and structure at the lower levels and then at the elite level. Good cricketers are produced not by coaches but by passion and opportunities to play. They need leagues and grounds with good wickets because without good wickets young batsmen in particular don't learn the basics. The rest will take care of itself.
 
What PK needs is facilities and structure at the lower levels and then at the elite level. Good cricketers are produced not by coaches but by passion and opportunities to play. They need leagues and grounds with good wickets because without good wickets young batsmen in particular don't learn the basics. The rest will take care of itself.

I think even if you implement the right systems, structures and completely professionalize the grass roots, it will take atleast 5-10 years for the positive results to show
 
I think even if you implement the right systems, structures and completely professionalize the grass roots, it will take atleast 5-10 years for the positive results to show

We don't have the institutional resources( personal, working practices etc) even if we wanted to change quickly. We only have one institution that works in PK, the rest are a hotch potch of unprofessional, money making scams for the connected and their families.
 
in 2018, only Shaheen was potential international player and he made it quickly.

in 2020: I see three guys will play for Pakistan, sooner or later.

Haider Ali: He is impressive, his technique, temperament and range of stroke is good for a modern day batsman, not a finished product though but getting there.

Haris : yes he is far better batsman than Rohail Nazir, good SR and looks like mentally strong too. I'm sure he is equally good wicketkeeper if not better than Rohail. Rohail , will be a good FC and domestic player but might not be very successful beyond that.

Hurriara: looks an exceptional batsman to me. Very good technique for a young Pakistani batsman , good range of stroke and plays with a health SR.

Most rubbish player: That "Phast bowler" Amir Khan.
 
over reaction to loss

Pakistan cricket seems to still think that natural talent will still see us home and will continue to carry the team forward. Forget it!

Wasims, Waqars and Inzis are once in a generation players. Most players have to be developed, groomed and nurtured properly to become international players of a high quality.

The problem at the moment is that too many of our young cricketers don't have the basics and are not being taught the right way. Instead they become cricketers who are ok when things are going well, but when the going gets tough they lack the ability and mental toughness to raise their game.

i think,we cannot just accept defeat.We had the eventual champions on the mat @ 106 for 9 before the match was called off.Fast bowlers taking 7 of the 9 wickets.Probably had an off day against India.How come we finished a decent no 3 ahead of Aus,NZ,SA and Eng who have a far superior facilities etc.We must be doing something right.We have short memories too, the U 23 won the Acc Emerging Asia cup 2019 by beating India , Bangladesh and Afghanistan.We must be doing something right at the U 19 level who eventually go and play the U23.
 
i think,we cannot just accept defeat.We had the eventual champions on the mat @ 106 for 9 before the match was called off.Fast bowlers taking 7 of the 9 wickets.Probably had an off day against India.How come we finished a decent no 3 ahead of Aus,NZ,SA and Eng who have a far superior facilities etc.We must be doing something right.We have short memories too, the U 23 won the Acc Emerging Asia cup 2019 by beating India , Bangladesh and Afghanistan.We must be doing something right at the U 19 level who eventually go and play the U23.

Some of our players could have played in the U-19 World Cup years ago. I think the major reason why Asian teams dominate the U-19 scene is because of playing over-age players.

Unless ICC is able to do something about the blatant age cheating, the likes of Australia, England and New Zealand etc. will continue to fall short at this level.
 
Some of our players could have played in the U-19 World Cup years ago. I think the major reason why Asian teams dominate the U-19 scene is because of playing over-age players.

Unless ICC is able to do something about the blatant age cheating, the likes of Australia, England and New Zealand etc. will continue to fall short at this level.

Tbh some of the Indians and Bangladeshi players could have played the last world cup as well. Specially Indians as their were 3 cheats from the last world cup.
 
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