Pakistan vs India - 1982 - ODI series from the future

[The_Odd_One]

India played that series in Pakistan. The final result was 3-1. Here are some mind blowing highlights from that series:

1. Zaheer hit 3 100s in 4 matches and all of them came at 100+ SR. Overall, he averaged 86.5 @ 124.90 SR!

2. Miandad hit 2 100s and his 100s also came at 100+ SR.

3. The most interesting were the 2nd and 3rd ODIs:

2nd ODI:
http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/64198.html

Pakistan hit 263/2 in 40 overs. India managed 226/7 in 40 overs. Kapil gave 42 runs in his 8 overs. Imran gave just 14!

3rd ODI:

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/64199.html

Pakistan scored 252/3 in 33 overs at 7.63 RR!

India got a revised target of 176 in 27 overs. India were winners because they scored 193/4 in 27 overs, so they won by 18 runs.

This series was played in 1982 but when you look at the scorecards, it looks like a series from this era of batting friendly pitches and power hitters.

Did anybody watch this series live or read/know anything about it from someone who watched it?

 

[Abdullah719]

Fascinating stuff. Looks like the Pakistan team then was ahead of the current team.

What a legend.

 

[Napa]

Did anybody watch this series live or read/know anything about it from someone who watched it?

I followed this series. The umpiring was beyond awful.

 

[ahmedwaqas92]

I followed this series. The umpiring was beyond awful.

I understand we're you're coming from but clearly Wisden's account for the same series regarding why India lost is clearly different. This is from their report archives:

India's poor showing was due mainly to patchy batting and weak fielding. Many catches were dropped at crucial moments. In addition, except for Kapil Dev, none of their bowlers posed any real threat to the home batsmen. Madan Lal had to return to India because of a badly bruised heel. India relied principally on their three left-arm spinners, of whom Dilip Doshi, the most experienced of them, did not show his best form after the first Test. Ravi Shastri, another of them, had injury problems, and the turbaned Maninder Singh did not enjoy the best of luck.

Also the umpiring controversy was just one guy piping from the Indian camp who was not even part of the squad lol he was the manager of the Indian team and his claims were later rubbished by the then standing captain SUNIL GAVASKAR. The Wisden also reported this in their archives:

An umpiring controversy in the middle of the six-Test series, when the manager of the Indian team, the Maharaja of Baroda, was critical of local standards, blew over with the release of a statement by Sunil Gavaskar, the Indian captain, expressing his confidence in the umpires of Pakistan.

 

[Napa]

I understand we're you're coming from but clearly Wisden's account for the same series regarding why India lost is clearly different.

Wisden was being politically correct by giving the umpiring a pass.

 

[Rightarmfast]

I understand we're you're coming from but clearly Wisden's account for the same series regarding why India lost is clearly different. This is from their report archives:



Also the umpiring controversy was just one guy piping from the Indian camp who was not even part of the squad lol he was the manager of the Indian team and his claims were later rubbished by the then standing captain SUNIL GAVASKAR. The Wisden also reported this in their archives:

If you are trying to give a clean chit to Pakistani umpiring then its pretty obvious you have never witnessed Pakistani umpiring of entire 80's and early 90's! Nuff said

 

[ahmedwaqas92]

Wisden was being politically correct by giving the umpiring a pass.

Clearly you have quite an unbiased and objective view of the things that happened during that tour. I guess Sunil Gavaskar should be hired as Indian's foreign secretary since he's been politically correct almost 4 decades down the road till now!

Does BJP know of this or has this gem from Sunny bhai been shrugged under the carpet

 

[ahmedwaqas92]

If you are trying to give a clean chit to Pakistani umpiring then its pretty obvious you have never witnessed Pakistani umpiring of entire 80's and early 90's! Nuff said

I am not trying to give anyone any types of clean chits whatsoever, heck aren't we the ones who actually started this whole neutral umpire campaign with Imran leading the charge ?? And if I recall correctly, from what I've read, he initiated that movement because he was fed up of people not rating the performances of Pakistanis at home, since man to man, Pakistan was in another league as compared to India and this further showed in the following two decades barring the odd upset from Bhartis.

My post was not in the defense of Pakistani umpires however, it was to highlight that maybe, just maybe the massive gulf in skills between the two teams was the small reason why India so comprehensively lost the series.

 

[JaDed]

Clearly you have quite an unbiased and objective view of the things that happened during that tour. I guess Sunil Gavaskar should be hired as Indian's foreign secretary since he's been politically correct almost 4 decades down the road till now!

Does BJP know of this or has this gem from Sunny bhai been shrugged under the carpet

One of the reasons for that is because he gave a statement already,he didn't want to look like a fool if he changes it.

 

[Napa]

And if I recall correctly, from what I've read, he initiated that movement because he was fed up of people not rating the performances of Pakistanis at home, since man to man, Pakistan was in another league as compared to India and this further showed in the following two decades barring the odd upset from Bhartis.

You are simply making up stuff. In the 1990s, India was ranked the #1 Test team in 1995, and again in 2009. Pakistan was never ranked #1 anytime in the entire 1990s or the next decade. Also the 1990s began the 11-0 streak of ICC victories for India.

 

[ManFan]

Please also state India's overseas record during the 90's and against Pakistan? It's okay to admit that Pakistan was a much better team than India in the 90's as is India compared to Pakistan now. As for the World Cup wins, India deserved them hands down for playing under pressure tremendously even though Pakistan lost the 96 quarter final more than India won it.

 

[Fire Bird]

I followed this series. The umpiring was beyond awful.

Hello Uncle how was that series played in 1982. Just kidding I'm not that far behind. I started watching from 1992

 

[Fire Bird]

If you are trying to give a clean chit to Pakistani umpiring then its pretty obvious you have never witnessed Pakistani umpiring of entire 80's and early 90's! Nuff said

I present you exhibit A

 

[Fire Bird]

Please also state India's overseas record during the 90's and against Pakistan? It's okay to admit that Pakistan was a much better team than India in the 90's as is India compared to Pakistan now. As for the World Cup wins, India deserved them hands down for playing under pressure tremendously even though Pakistan lost the 96 quarter final more than India won it.

You lost it in the last 3 overs of the Indian innings when Jadeja smacked Waqar for 51 runs, 40 of them coming from Waqar's 2 overs. Your batting put up a good fight but they were never goign to chase 288

 

[ali2220]

Please also state India's overseas record during the 90's and against Pakistan? It's okay to admit that Pakistan was a much better team than India in the 90's as is India compared to Pakistan now. As for the World Cup wins, India deserved them hands down for playing under pressure tremendously even though Pakistan lost the 96 quarter final more than India won it.

Some indians are so delusional that they tend to believe that even in 90's their team was better than Pakistan.

 

[ManFan]

I respectfully disagree. Pakistan were 84/1 after 10 overs and 231/6 with Latif and Miandad still at the crease. However, they choked and lost 4 wickets for 8 runs despite only needing 57 to win. Still stings the most along with the 2011 WC Semi-Final.

 

[Bilal7]

Imran Khan was so far ahead of Kapil Dev, it feels so wrong that some people group them together.

 

[Napa]

Some indians are so delusional that they tend to believe that even in 90's their team was better than Pakistan.

I assume along with the Indians, ICC is delusional too, as the #1 ranking is decided by their formula.

 

[ManFan]

Pakistan obtained #1 ranking in August last year for about two weeks. However, were they better than Australia, England, or perhaps even India?

 

[Abidi110]

I assume along with the Indians, ICC is delusional too, as the #1 ranking is decided by their formula.

You indeed are delusional, didn't Gangulay said Pak wasn't really no 1 when Pak was ranked top ranked recently?

indians use to win test matches in india in 90's but loose all the matches abroad.Its actually unfortunate to see some indians don't even have the courage to say that Pak was indeed a better team in 90's.

 

[Napa]

You indeed are delusional, didn't Gangulay said Pak wasn't really no 1 when Pak was ranked top ranked recently?

indians use to win test matches in india in 90's but loose all the matches abroad.Its actually unfortunate to see some indians don't even have the courage to say that Pak was indeed a better team in 90's.

The difference is that after losing the #1 ranking due to a rained out game against the WI, the Indian team came back to reclaim the #1 spot vindicating Ganguly.

In contrast Pakistan was never able to claim the #1 spot in the 1990s or 2000s.

 

[Abidi110]

The difference is that after losing the #1 ranking due to a rained out game against the WI, the Indian team came back to reclaim the #1 spot vindicating Ganguly.

In contrast Pakistan was never able to claim the #1 spot in the 1990s or 2000s.

The point was that Pak got no 1 ranking by playing in UAE, likewise india got no 1 ranking in 90's by playing on land mines in india. No one questioned indias recent ranking so no idea why you talked about it.However its a fcat that Pak team was better than india in 90's.

 

[Abidi110]

Pakistan obtained #1 ranking in August last year for about two weeks. However, were they better than Australia, England, or perhaps even India?

And that shows how accurate the ranking is!

 

[mikeypbadana]

You indeed are delusional, didn't Gangulay said Pak wasn't really no 1 when Pak was ranked top ranked recently?

indians use to win test matches in india in 90's but loose all the matches abroad.Its actually unfortunate to see some indians don't even have the courage to say that Pak was indeed a better team in 90's.

I am an indian fan watching cricket since 1995.Pakistan of 90's was easily miles ahead of any team and the best barring australia.I remember the swag of wasim akram aquib javed saeed anwar and they used to single handedly trounce the indians.

Ganguly mad the context even-sten negating the edge pakistan had.After dhoni,india became invincible.Nonethless 90's pakistan team is full of super stars and the best team that time. They should have 96 and 99 world cups in their kitty

 

[Abidi110]

I am an indian fan watching cricket since 1995.Pakistan of 90's was easily miles ahead of any team and the best barring australia.I remember the swag of wasim akram aquib javed saeed anwar and they used to single handedly trounce the indians.

Ganguly mad the context even-sten negating the edge pakistan had.After dhoni,india became invincible.Nonethless 90's pakistan team is full of super stars and the best team that time. They should have 96 and 99 world cups in their kitty

I agree with you. I believe Ganguly and dhoni has changed the indian team completely, in 80 and 90's india never had captains like Ganguly.

 

[Roaring40s]

I missed the series by a couple of years. Started watching/following in winter of 1984. (Learned to read newspaper that year. And those digits in a corner of the screen started to mean something) Only India matches were shown on TV in those days. That too with 15 minute breaks for news and about one hour of compulsory national programs in between. Anyways I am lucky to witness the rise of two great SC players who started that year and performed great throughout their respective careers. Wasim Akram and Azharuddin.

 

[Roaring40s]

I am an indian fan watching cricket since 1995.Pakistan of 90's was easily miles ahead of any team and the best barring australia.I remember the swag of wasim akram aquib javed saeed anwar and they used to single handedly trounce the indians.

Ganguly mad the context even-sten negating the edge pakistan had.After dhoni,india became invincible.Nonethless 90's pakistan team is full of super stars and the best team that time. They should have 96 and 99 world cups in their kitty

I kind of agree with a very strong Pakistan in 90s. But their batting, specially after 92 was very vulnerable. (retirement of Imran, Miandad not being the same player anymore, Saleem Malik being defensive in most of the mid to late 90s). Their best years were those two-three years when Saeed Anwar and Amir Sohail were both in very good form together and hid middle order shortcomings. Apart from Inzi, nobody from middle order was good enough to find a place in India or SL line ups. But Wasim, Waqar, Aqib and Mushi (and several other bowlers who played a few) won many matches with their bowling. I remember one series in New Zealand where scorecards for most of the matches read Pakistan 160 something All out vs New Zealand 140 something all out. And when India toured New Zealand next year the scorecards were like first team 225 vs second team 226 in 48 overs.

 

[mikeypbadana]

I kind of agree with a very strong Pakistan in 90s. But their batting, specially after 92 was very vulnerable. (retirement of Imran, Miandad not being the same player anymore, Saleem Malik being defensive in most of the mid to late 90s). Their best years were those two-three years when Saeed Anwar and Amir Sohail were both in very good form together and hid middle order shortcomings. Apart from Inzi, nobody from middle order was good enough to find a place in India or SL line ups. But Wasim, Waqar, Aqib and Mushi (and several other bowlers who played a few) won many matches with their bowling. I remember one series in New Zealand where scorecards for most of the matches read Pakistan 160 something All out vs New Zealand 140 something all out. And when India toured New Zealand next year the scorecards were like first team 225 vs second team 226 in 48 overs.

They were easily the best test team may be on par with australia.Lower middle order with the likes of moin khan abul razzaq,azhar mohammood winning lot of games.Likes of saqulian doing wonders with the ball.Over all a great team.Between by own admission of pakistan players like amir sohail/rasheed latif,wasim akram had thrown away the match of 1996 quarter final by pulling out off it 10 minitues prior to the toss.Talent apart they were highly indisiplined with rampant match fixing

 

[Roaring40s]

They were easily the best test team may be on par with australia.Lower middle order with the likes of moin khan abul razzaq,azhar mohammood winning lot of games.Likes of saqulian doing wonders with the ball.Over all a great team.Between by own admission of pakistan players like amir sohail/rasheed latif,wasim akram had thrown away the match of 1996 quarter final by pulling out off it 10 minitues prior to the toss.Talent apart they were highly indisiplined with rampant match fixing

So were we. Do you remember Azhar, Jadeja, Prabhakar?

 

[big_gamer007]

I am an indian fan watching cricket since 1995.Pakistan of 90's was easily miles ahead of any team and the best barring australia.I remember the swag of wasim akram aquib javed saeed anwar and they used to single handedly trounce the indians.

Ganguly mad the context even-sten negating the edge pakistan had.After dhoni,india became invincible.Nonethless 90's pakistan team is full of super stars and the best team that time. They should have 96 and 99 world cups in their kitty

Wrong SA was the strongest team in the 90's then Pakistan.. Then Australia/WI however after the 99 WC Australia overtook everyone and never looked back..

The above is true for ODI's..

 

[Monsee]

Indian posters (barring 1 or 2) Phir Ro Rahaay Hain!

Recipe is simple: Start a thread/Comment about How good Pak team/player did in such and such series/time...queue in Indian poster (s): Oh they were awful, and I saw the umpiring it was disgusting, Indian Umpires were second coming of a Prophet i.e. they never cheated or lied, Pak fixing yada yada Indian Team Better than Pak...oh did I forget to mention Terrorism in Pak and that they used to have 50% Hindu population and now it is down to like 0.5% and UN should investigate and punish Pakistan!

BCCI strongest board in world, lost of money, everyone jealous...mommy (cries himself to sleep while sucking his thumb)

 

[Slog]

Indian posters - whingers to the max lol

is the most apt smiley for them considering the nationality