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Pakistan should forget about everything and just play for pride. I hope that must be deeply hurt if they have any
 
yes. bring in rizwan as wk.
umar akmal to replace malik.
but we all know nothing like that will happen.

Lol whaaat?

Ofcourse that wont happen because it cant happen

Squad is already selected. Cant change it mid tournament :)))
 
Makes no difference, who plays for pak!
They are out of this wc and i would guess pretty dejected after the humiliating defeat by india.
I don't see pak team winning another game in this tournament!
Yes that incudes losing to bangladesh and afghanistan!
Bad times ahead for you pak fans!

What do you mean you Pak fans? Pretty sure you a Pak supporter yourself
 
Pakistan will win iA!

My XI:

Fakhar Zaman
Imam ul Haq
Babar Azam
Haris Sohail
Sarfraz Ahmed
Muhammad Hafeez
Imad Wasim (need his spin bowling)
Shadab Khan
Muhammad Amir
Wahab Riaz
M Hasnain

Win the toss and bat first.
 
Pakistan will win iA!

My XI:

Fakhar Zaman
Imam ul Haq
Babar Azam
Haris Sohail
Sarfraz Ahmed
Muhammad Hafeez
Imad Wasim (need his spin bowling)
Shadab Khan
Muhammad Amir
Wahab Riaz
M Hasnain

Win the toss and bat first.

If you play hafeez and riaz you deserve to lose
 
If you play hafeez and riaz you deserve to lose

Our wonderful chief selector has only picked Haris Sohail as a backup batsman, so one of Hafeez or Malik has to play at all times.
 
Our wonderful chief selector has only picked Haris Sohail as a backup batsman, so one of Hafeez or Malik has to play at all times.

Play haris, he will have a career after this World Cup, the other two won’t. And play Shaheen, not wahab
 
If you play hafeez and riaz you deserve to lose
Hafeez failed yesterday but has won two or three MOTM’s in the last couple of months.
Also his bowling will be crucial against the Proteas who have many lefties if I’m not wrong.

Riaz > SSA on current form but considering Shaheen’s record against SA, he is worth a try if the pitch is green and bowling-friendly and not dry.
 
Hafeez failed yesterday but has won two or three MOTM’s in the last couple of months.
Also his bowling will be crucial against the Proteas who have many lefties if I’m not wrong.

Riaz > SSA on current form but considering Shaheen’s record against SA, he is worth a try if the pitch is green and bowling-friendly and not dry.

Hafeez was was hustled by the short ball against West Indies, nearly dismissed for 15 against England, caught at midwicket off a full toss off a part timer against Australia, gave catching practice to mid wicket against India’s third change bowler.
But sure, those two MOM’s.
 
I hope it rains all day. That may save Pak from another humiliation.

No, we should play. Even if we end up getting humiliated, at least people will be reminded once again of how mediocre this team is. Getting constantly reminded of our crapiness may actually force changes in PCB and domestic cricket.
 
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They are completely demoralized now caring more about what people are saying then their performances

25+ years of watching Pakistan cricket tells me we are going to see most awful performances in rest of the 4 games

This has all the makings of worst ever World Cup for Pakistan
 
Team should be

Imam
Fakhar
Babar
Haris
HafeeZ
Sarfeaz
Imad
Shadab
Wahab
Amir
Hasnanin
 
Pakistan will win iA!

My XI:

Fakhar Zaman
Imam ul Haq
Babar Azam
Haris Sohail
Sarfraz Ahmed
Muhammad Hafeez
Imad Wasim (need his spin bowling)
Shadab Khan
Muhammad Amir
Wahab Riaz
M Hasnain

Win the toss and bat first.

Sounds about right...considering our options... maybe wahab for shaheen?
 
So I'm flying all the way from the USA to watch this match. This will be the first time I'm attending a cricket match and am super excited to go. I was really hoping Pakistan would still be in the running for the semis by the time this match came but oh well, I'm still stoked to see my country play!

I think the most Pakistan-like outcome would be to lose vs. South Africa and mathematically be eliminated from semis, then go on to win the rest of their games by huge margins

My XI

1. Fakhar Zaman
2. Imam ul-Haq
3. Babar Azam
4. Haris Sohail
5. Mohammad Hafeez
6. Sarfraz Ahmed
7. Imad Wasim
8. Shadab Khan
9. Mohammad Amir
10. Wahab Riaz
11. Mohammad Hasnain
 
No, we should play. Even if we end up getting humiliated, at least people will be reminded once again of how mediocre this team is. Getting constantly reminded of our sh*tness may actually force changes in PCB and domestic cricket.

Everyone knows how pathetic and unprofessional our side is. Prolonging this agony any further is another excuse for taking no action.
 
What has weak got to do with it!? All these clowns should be sacked ASAP! They are an embarrassment.

I'm talking about the embarrassment part
Let me get exposed. It will just help kicking them out
 
So I'm flying all the way from the USA to watch this match. This will be the first time I'm attending a cricket match and am super excited to go. I was really hoping Pakistan would still be in the running for the semis by the time this match came but oh well, I'm still stoked to see my country play!

I think the most Pakistan-like outcome would be to lose vs. South Africa and mathematically be eliminated from semis, then go on to win the rest of their games by huge margins

My XI

1. Fakhar Zaman
2. Imam ul-Haq
3. Babar Azam
4. Haris Sohail
5. Mohammad Hafeez
6. Sarfraz Ahmed
7. Imad Wasim
8. Shadab Khan
9. Mohammad Amir
10. Wahab Riaz
11. Mohammad Hasnain
Asif Ali for hafeez and Shaheen for Riaz. Rest is fine
 
My line up would be

Imam
Fakhar
Babar
Haris
Hafeez
Imad
Sarfaraz
Shadab
Amir
Wahab
Hassnain

If Wahab has a poor game I would replace him with Shahen in the next game. If Hafeez flops, Asif Ali should replace him for the NZ game. We can’t afford passengers now.
 
It will be interesting to see if Sarfraz steps up and drops all four of the clowns who have revolted against him and are genuinely underperforming for sake of it.

The line-up would then be:

1) Fakhar Zaman
2) Asif Ali
3) Babar Azam
4) Haris Sohail
5) Sarfraz Ahmed(C)(Wk)
6) Mohammad Hafeez
7) Shadab Khan
8) Hasan Ali
9) Mohammad Amir
10) Shaheen Afridi
11) Mohammad Hasnain
 
This is where Pakistan will be officially out of the world cup.
 
I would drop all four of these controversial players, I would play this team:

1. Fakhar Zaman
2. Haris Sohail
3. Babar Azam
4. Hafeez
5. Sarfaraz
6. Asif Ali
7. Shadab Khan
8. Hassan Ali
9. Amir
10. Shaheen Afridi
11. Hasnain
 
I would drop all four of these controversial players, I would play this team:

1. Fakhar Zaman
2. Haris Sohail
3. Babar Azam
4. Hafeez
5. Sarfaraz
6. Asif Ali
7. Shadab Khan
8. Hassan Ali
9. Amir
10. Shaheen Afridi
11. Hasnain

You mean

1) Fakhar
2) Babar
3) Haris

?
 
It will be interesting to see if Sarfraz steps up and drops all four of the clowns who have revolted against him and are genuinely underperforming for sake of it.

The line-up would then be:

1) Fakhar Zaman
2) Asif Ali
3) Babar Azam
4) Haris Sohail
5) Sarfraz Ahmed(C)(Wk)
6) Mohammad Hafeez
7) Shadab Khan
8) Hasan Ali
9) Mohammad Amir
10) Shaheen Afridi
11) Mohammad Hasnain

Cant bench imam.
 
My line up would be

Imam
Fakhar
Babar
Haris
Hafeez
Imad
Sarfaraz
Shadab
Amir
Wahab
Hassnain

If Wahab has a poor game I would replace him with Shahen in the next game. If Hafeez flops, Asif Ali should replace him for the NZ game. We can’t afford passengers now.

Agree with this. One of FZ or Bobby needs to get a hundred in this game.
 
Pak and SA both need 4 wins in 4 games to make the semis, so this is a must win game for both teams and SA will give us a tough fight. I'm hoping this game will play out similar to how it did in 2015.
 
Pak and SA both need 4 wins in 4 games to make the semis, so this is a must win game for both teams and SA will give us a tough fight. I'm hoping this game will play out similar to how it did in 2015.
 
Squad needs to forgive their performance against India the same way they forgave themselves for the performance against West Indies. Hope all the dressing room drama is fake news and that we will bounce back hard against SA. We can only influence the results of our own games and I hope we can go down fighting hard!

As for being out of the tournament - we aren't out until we're out - and we don't have to worry too much about it. But as fans since it's difficult to not speculate, it's true that not a single team has actually cemented their semi-final berth mathematically. The team best in position is India, following by Aus/NZ.
 
Asif ali is a waste of spot,we should persist with shadab .Shadab bowls,is an better batsman and fielder than asif.


Asif Ali is a hit or miss player but he is the only batsmen we have capable of decent hitting.



If wicket is not conducive to turn I will want Shadab to be dropped again.



Asif has scored two Odi fifties vs World number 1 ranked team England just recently.
 
Squad needs to forgive their performance against India the same way they forgave themselves for the performance against West Indies. Hope all the dressing room drama is fake news and that we will bounce back hard against SA. We can only influence the results of our own games and I hope we can go down fighting hard!

As for being out of the tournament - we aren't out until we're out - and we don't have to worry too much about it. But as fans since it's difficult to not speculate, it's true that not a single team has actually cemented their semi-final berth mathematically. The team best in position is India, following by Aus/NZ.
I sincerely hope you mean forget!
 
They are completely demoralized now caring more about what people are saying then their performances

25+ years of watching Pakistan cricket tells me we are going to see most awful performances in rest of the 4 games

This has all the makings of worst ever World Cup for Pakistan

Naw 2007 still takes the cake...
 
Asif Ali is a hit or miss player but he is the only batsmen we have capable of decent hitting.



If wicket is not conducive to turn I will want Shadab to be dropped again.



Asif has scored two Odi fifties vs World number 1 ranked team England just recently.

So just because he can come off once every 10 games we're going to give him a free ride? He ruins the balance of the team, is not an all rounder and isn't good enough to take a batsman's slot.

That's his maximum output 50 and then out; those were one of the flattest pitches ever produced in the history of cricket and all he could manage was a 50 odd that wasn't even match winning.

You know those were awfully flat pitches when Pakistan is scoring 300+ consistently.
 
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1.Imam Ul Haq
2.Fakhar Zaman
3.Babar Azam
4.Haris Sohail
5.Mohammad Hafeez
6.Sarfaraz Ahmed
7.Imad Wasim
8.Shadab Khan
9.Wahab Riaz
10.Mohammad Amir
11.Mohammad Hasnain
 
Saffers should play

Markram
QDK
Faf
Rassie
Miller
Duminy
Andile
Rabada
Ngidi (if fit else beuran)
Morris
Tahir

:amla will lose the match with his snail paced batting. If Saffers bat first, they should win imo
 
Should go with

Babar
Fakhar
Haris
Hafeez
Sarfraz
Asif Ali
Shadab
Wahab
Amir
Shaheen
Hasnain

Haris Sohail, Babar and Sarfraz are able to occupy alot of overs even if its at a slow rate, have Hafeez and Asif to up the tempo. Shadab and Wahab can provide 10-15 runs each if needed.

Bowling is strengthened with 4 pacers (might aswell give exposure to Shaheen and Hasnain if they are the future), Shadab as the sole spinner - Imad is thrash
 
This would be my lineup to deny another upcoming defeat!
Imam
Babar
Fakhar
Sarfaraz (he has to come at 4 because i think he needs some winning runs to get his confidence back)
Haris
Hafeez
Imad
Shadab
Amir
Shaheen
Hasnain
 
If we can't beat this South Africa team who are also in shambles then we may as well pack up, award Bangladesh, NZ and AFG the two points and go home to avoid more humiliation.
 
Asif Ali is a hit or miss player but he is the only batsmen we have capable of decent hitting.



If wicket is not conducive to turn I will want Shadab to be dropped again.



Asif has scored two Odi fifties vs World number 1 ranked team England just recently.

Asif Ali has no space

Anyone not selecting shadab against NZ and SA would be crazy
 
This would be my lineup to deny another upcoming defeat!
Imam
Babar
Fakhar
Sarfaraz (he has to come at 4 because i think he needs some winning runs to get his confidence back)
Haris
Hafeez
Imad
Shadab
Amir
Shaheen
Hasnain


You have Haris coming in waay too low...he needs some time to build an innings, also since hes been out since the very first game even more so... Also Fakhar at no.3? Doesnt really makes sense since most likely the power play would have been gone by then... If he isnt opening, he either bats as an opener...or drop him alltogether, i would honestly go with the later
 
Win the toss - Bat first and win the game for starters and see how tides change
 
1.Imam Ul Haq
2.Fakhar Zaman
3.Babar Azam
4.Haris Sohail
5.Sarfraz
6. Hafeez
7.Imad Wasim
8.Shadab Khan
9.Wahab Riaz
10.Mohammad Amir
11.Mohammad Hasnain
Sarfraz should and must bat at 5. He is not a finisher by any stretch of the imagination. Hafeez can hit big lower down the order with immad wahab chipping in few boundarie.
In bowling we should open with Amir and immad. We don't have any pacer who can bowl with new ball with Amir Immad must bowl in first power play or get him bowl all his ten straight away. Protease are not good against spin. He will do fine I am sure.
Hasnain and Wahab should bowl middle overs with Shadab. This is most easy match. If we dont win it then we dont deserve to go further in the tournament.
 
Shaheen is not quite ready for International cricket yet. He doesn't have control over his length. He should not get another game in this WC.
 
Amir fails to get early wickets simply because there is absolutely zero pressure on other end. Hassan shaheen wahab all leak too many runs. If imad can bowl economically from other side I am sure Amir will get us 2 or 3 early wickets every match. He is bowling brilliantly and he is getting his mojo back. Ian pont is of the same view. He is getting back where he was in 2009. His release and head position is getting better. He will get back his pace as well.
 
Ideally i would open with imam and Babar while fakhar batting in lower middle order with hafeez but this is not gonna happen ever.
 
You have Haris coming in waay too low...he needs some time to build an innings, also since hes been out since the very first game even more so... Also Fakhar at no.3? Doesnt really makes sense since most likely the power play would have been gone by then... If he isnt opening, he either bats as an opener...or drop him alltogether, i would honestly go with the later
Haris is a better hitter than sarfraz so he can come later, also try to make use of sarfraz he's good in the middle overs & can bash spinners, babar plays power play overs well , as we saw him hitting fours in the gaps
without taking any risk & we are struggling in middle overs to up the ante, also fakhar not looking in good touch at the wc so he needs time in the middle so he can set and go big.
 
No. I never had any hopes of us making it to semis but strangely, today I have a feeling that EngvsNZ match will decide our fate. The probability of NZ having lost 3 (sa,aus,pak) OR Eng having lost 2 (aus, ind) matches before this fixture is extremely high. Don't assume England are through, they are highly vulnerable. Aus & Ind will come hard at them, considering eng bowling, they may end up losing both, & then match against NZ will be quarter final for them too.
On the other hand, our chances of winning next three matches (sa, nz, afg) will be high if we can only sort out captaincy & team combination. Will be a nail biting end to the group stage i guess.

Or better yet,
eng already have 8 points, they win vs SL and one of Aus/ind/nz ,just one of them ,thry r thorugh

Aus have 7 points they win vs atleast two of remaining eng/saf/bang/nz they r almost through via NRR

Nz has better chance than aussies

Coming to pak have 3 points
Assuming the unbelievable they win 4 ,still stuck at 11 with worst NRR

Btw dont believe this nz losing 4/5 next matches bullfiecies,they r already on 7 point they r definetly winning 2 of next 5 matches..probably easiest being pak,saf,wi who knows they might end up 4/5 winning

Pakistan can qualify? Yes
Pakistan will qualify? Big No,you lost your last chance when you let india beat you and that too with beatin NRR badly as well
 
Must win game for both teams if they want any chance to go through (considering sa beat nz tomorrow)
 
Win the toss and bat first.

Fakhar Zaman
Imam-Ul-Haq
Babar Azam
Haris Sohail
Muhammad Hafeez
Sarfaraz Ahmed
Imad Wasim
Shadab Khan
Wahab Riaz
Muhammad Amir
Muhammad Hasnain

Would have played Asif Ali against South Africa but I don't see Muhammad Hafeez bowling 10 overs against them.
 
Haris is a better hitter than sarfraz so he can come later, also try to make use of sarfraz he's good in the middle overs & can bash spinners, babar plays power play overs well , as we saw him hitting fours in the gaps
without taking any risk & we are struggling in middle overs to up the ante, also fakhar not looking in good touch at the wc so he needs time in the middle so he can set and go big.

Haris has a greater chance of making big runs, so you want to give your better batsman more balls to face, so he stays above in the order for me...it isnt my fault that Sarfraz cant bat, but we cannot sacrifice other batsmen's position just so he can he face more balls, batting wise he doesnt even make the team in my opinion. Besides this all our players play spin well (in theory). I have no worries with Babar opening, he is pretty much an opener anyways since Fakhr is always out in the first couple of overs anyways. In the middle overs is when you have Hafeez come in and Imad and Shadab to bring up the pace and hopefully Haris since he was able to build a substantial innings...he is technically sounder as a batsman and has a better chance than Sarfraz to make a ton...he should definitely be higher in the order and play the no 4 or no 3 role (if Babar is going to open) Better batsman = face more balls. If Fakhr must really play, then why not bring him as your hitter, to bring up the scoring in the middle/end overs (Asif ali's role)Its not like he is a master opener and can play the new ball well...he sucks at playing the new ball becuase his technique has huge faults... bring him on as a hitter and let him and sarfraz play the slog sweep on repeat versus the spinners.... but Haris' position shouldnt be compromised just because you need to make room for a unworthy batsman (sarfraz)
 
Shaheen Afridi bowled well against them in the series this year, but want Mohammad Hasnain to play before it's too late. Difficult desicion to leave anyone of them out, maybe drop Wahab Riaz who himself hasn't bowled that well in this World Cup.
 
Shaheen Afridi bowled well against them in the series this year, but want Mohammad Hasnain to play before it's too late. Difficult desicion to leave anyone of them out, maybe drop Wahab Riaz who himself hasn't bowled that well in this World Cup.
Wahab leaks a million runs in his first spell with the new ball. It seems like the only other half decent new ball bowler we had was Junaid Khan.

I would trust Hasnain with the new ball as he gets a lot of bounce. So Amir and Hasnain to open, followed by Wahab, Shadab and Imad.
 
Wahab leaks a million runs in his first spell with the new ball. It seems like the only other half decent new ball bowler we had was Junaid Khan.

I would trust Hasnain with the new ball as he gets a lot of bounce. So Amir and Hasnain to open, followed by Wahab, Shadab and Imad.

Why not play both Shaheen and Hasnain? It's worth a risk now.
 
Why not play both Shaheen and Hasnain? It's worth a risk now.

Shaheen with the new ball and then Hasnain first change??
Shaheen needs to spend a good 2 years in domestic cricket, play 3/4 day cricket and learn to bowl good lengths. He has failed far too many times for my liking.

Having said that Hasnain is also raw but he has an extra yard of pace and is worth trying.
 
Shaheen needs to spend a good 2 years in domestic cricket, play 3/4 day cricket and learn to bowl good lengths. He has failed far too many times for my liking.

Having said that Hasnain is also raw but he has an extra yard of pace and is worth trying.

He did recover well first and last time he played in this World Cup, against Australia, where from an awful opening spell he took 2 big wickets with an economy under 6 for the rest of the innings. Also, Wahab Riaz isn't setting the world on fire himself, but yes it would make our attack way too inexperienced for a World Cup match that is almost close to a knockout one.
 
Pakistan will win this one In sha Allah and rest of the matches as well. Kick out Shoaib Malik and things will change for the better.
Hasnain should be told to ball yorkers. Death bowling needs to improve.
 
What is the weather looking like for this game or suspected weather I know it's still 4-5 days away
 
These should be our 11 in all the remaining 4 games now.

Fakhar
Babar
Haris
Safraz
Imad
Shadab
Asif
Hassan
Wahab
Amir
Hasnain
 
Hasan and Malik have absolutely no place in the team now. Don't want Imad either, but we don't really have much of a choice at this stage.

Imam
Fakhar
Babar
Haris
Hafeez
Sarfraz*+
Imad
Shadab
Wahab
Amir
Hasnain
 
Hasan and Malik have absolutely no place in the team now. Don't want Imad either, but we don't really have much of a choice at this stage.

Imam
Fakhar
Babar
Haris
Hafeez
Sarfraz*+
Imad
Shadab
Wahab
Amir
Hasnain

This is the best XI they can field on sunday with given resources. More or equally important aspect will be the game plan & its execution. Start with Imad from other end & tell him to bowl same lines & economical spell as he did against India. Amir will then have a little more freedom to attack the stumps more & look for wickets. Then you have three genuine wicket taking options in the middle overs (wahab, husnain & shadab). Use them instead of throwing the ball to hafeez (until really required to make up). Don't let any partnership to develop, containing alone will not help, attack them even in middle overs. Keep the slip & for once provide short extra cover fielder to wahab. Get couple of wickets in first 10 overs, take atleast 3 wickets in over 16-35 even if we concede 120 in those 20 overs, we will be able to restrict them to under 250 comfortably.
Batting plan is extremely simple for us regardless of opposition. Handle the short bowling, hit the aerial shots only over the circle fielders, keep every other shot along the ground. Tell Babar & Imam to try to play long inns forget the strike rate even if they score 100 off 130 balls, it will be enough considering the ability of others to play 40(40) ball inns.
Don't put extra pressure on players on their fielding. Just tell them to be active throughout & anticipate the ball coming towards them on every ball & that's it. No pressure should be put on their catching. They are already under immense pressure, also they can't improve catching skills in such short time.
Stick to this XI & plans, bat first whenever get the option regardless of conditions (ball hasn't swung even on wet green wickets so far). I am more than confident they can pull off a winning streak of 4 or more matches even from here on. They have the abilities to do so just need to take responsibility at individual level.
Regarding chances, there are three doors (nz, aus, eng), one of them will surely open considering the fact they playing tough matches & against each other too. Pak & SA had difficult fixtures in first have & both struggled, Now, NZ, Aus, Eng have difficult/tricky fixtures. Lets see.
 
Need to turn their centuries in to match winning innings. No point in scoring 100s id you’re going to lose.

If a batsman scores 100 then you are guaranteed at least a fighting score. It's up to the bowlers to fight then. Our current bowling attack is more than capable to defend or restrict opposition to manageable target.
 
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