"Pakistan will have an upper hand (in the Asia Cup)" : Mitchell Johnson

[AFM]

I'm actually looking forward to Johnson's commentary

 

[MMHS]

I grade players according to the following:

1. ATG
2. Legendary
3. World Class
4. International/Decent
5. First Class

300 wickets from 73 matches (more than 4 wickets per match) @ avg 28 makes him world class (at the very least) in a more batting friendly era and on flatter Australian wickets. I'm sure we would say the same if there was a Pakistani bowler who achieved the same stats.

MoJo was definitely world class, actually a legend because of almost single handed crashing of Poms into a 5-0 Ashes nightmare. More than wicket (35 @ 13 or so ....), that series he terrorized English team in this era of high tech protective gears. A late bloomer and under the shed of Mac, Gillispe & Lee; otherwise could have finished with 450+ Test wickets and he could bat as well. Stats like 22/28 in Test and 16/25 is definitely more than world class, over a career of 73 Tests & 153 ODI.

Just from Wiki, I see these are his achievements, which I hardly knew!!!!!!

For Australia.....
2006 ICC Champions Trophy
2007 Cricket World Cup
2009 ICC Champions Trophy
2015 Cricket World Cup
2009 ICC Cricketer of the Year
2014 Allan Border Medal
2014 ICC Test Player of the Year
2014 ICC Cricketer of the Year

Individual ......
McGilvray Medal 2008, 2009
Player of the Series vs. South Africa 2008–09
Johnson was named the 2009 ICC Cricketer of the Year award at the 2009 LG ICC Awards.[43]
Player of the Series vs. England 2013–2014
Allan Border Medal 2014
2014 ICC Cricketer of the Year
2014 ICC Test Cricketer of the Year


He is actually a far better cricketer than expert Otherwise won't have mentioned obvious as PAK's advantage - everyone know that. You won't ever hear Benaud to tell that under cloud one should bowl first in UK or at WACA WIN is favorite.............

 

[Usman Chadda]

They won the tri series recently (India, SL and Ban) with their A team (without Kohli). So based on this they are likely to make the final. I know that was a T20I tournament but I would take that team over SL and Bangladesh any day because they have a lot of depth in their squad and I wouldn't be surprised if they were to win the tournament. That would serve the hype circle the humble pie they deserve.

Look, you are one of those apologists who laugh in the face of Pakistan’s T20 ranking and dismiss the T20 format as a whole. And here you are using the T20 format to justify India A making the final over either of Sri Lanka, Bangladesh or Pakistan. Pakistan and Bangladesh will comfortably beat a hapharzadly put together bunch of youngsters under Rohit Sharma. Don’t forget Dinesh Karthik, who is even more useless than Ahmed Shehzad, was required to have one of his freak days to win India the final.

 

[Usman Chadda]

The lead up to September 19 is going to be something

 

[ManFan]

Been waiting for this eagerly since the end of the England Test series.

Let’s see how it goes.

 

[topspin]

MoJo was definitely world class, actually a legend because of almost single handed crashing of Poms into a 5-0 Ashes nightmare. More than wicket (35 @ 13 or so ....), that series he terrorized English team in this era of high tech protective gears. A late bloomer and under the shed of Mac, Gillispe & Lee; otherwise could have finished with 450+ Test wickets and he could bat as well. Stats like 22/28 in Test and 16/25 is definitely more than world class, over a career of 73 Tests & 153 ODI.

Just from Wiki, I see these are his achievements, which I hardly knew!!!!!!

For Australia.....
2006 ICC Champions Trophy
2007 Cricket World Cup
2009 ICC Champions Trophy
2015 Cricket World Cup
2009 ICC Cricketer of the Year
2014 Allan Border Medal
2014 ICC Test Player of the Year
2014 ICC Cricketer of the Year

Individual ......
McGilvray Medal 2008, 2009
Player of the Series vs. South Africa 2008–09
Johnson was named the 2009 ICC Cricketer of the Year award at the 2009 LG ICC Awards.[43]
Player of the Series vs. England 2013–2014
Allan Border Medal 2014
2014 ICC Cricketer of the Year
2014 ICC Test Cricketer of the Year


He is actually a far better cricketer than expert Otherwise won't have mentioned obvious as PAK's advantage - everyone know that. You won't ever hear Benaud to tell that under cloud one should bowl first in UK or at WACA WIN is favorite.............

Excellent comprehensive analysis and after seeing his accolades, there was is no doubt he was a legend. A real shame he didn't get to play 100+ tests because he deserves to belong to the elite group of bowlers with 400+ wickets.

Take note [MENTION=139510]saeed5646[/MENTION] before you think I have low standards for world class and legendary bowlers.

 

[ChuckLee]

Is Johnson looking for a PSL contract?

Haha that one for me lol. You don’t normally here it the other way round. Normally it’s, “so and so is looking for a ipl contract” haha

 

[saeed5646]

Excellent comprehensive analysis and after seeing his accolades, there was is no doubt he was a legend. A real shame he didn't get to play 100+ tests because he deserves to belong to the elite group of bowlers with 400+ wickets.

Take note [MENTION=139510]saeed5646[/MENTION] before you think I have low standards for world class and legendary bowlers.

i don,t rate him as a worldclass player .your choice lets agree to disagree

 

[ChuckLee]

your standard seams to be very low for ''world class'' category.do you know ajit agarkar odi record he have 288 wicket at a average of 27 but i have never heard he was called worldclass .

If he was Pakistani you’d hold him to the moon and back don’t lie.

 

[topspin]

If he was Pakistani you’d hold him to the moon and back don’t lie.

Facts bro - the way the medicore Pakistani cricketers are hyped to the moon epitomises the hype circle.

 

[saeed5646]

If he was Pakistani you’d hold him to the moon and back don’t lie.

don,t accuse me of thing i have not done and also i am not that type of fan

 

[saeed5646]

Facts bro - the way the medicore Pakistani cricketers are hyped to the moon epitomises the hype circle.

what fact which cricketer i have hype to moon can you name one?

 

[ChuckLee]

For any professional cricket board, sentiment and emotions are of little value. For BCCI, the well-being of its key players is of paramount importance, and not what the common fan in India - let alone Pakistan - thinks.

India have had a long season, and they have some massive cricket coming up with the tour of Australia, the IPL and the World Cup.

They cannot afford to have Kohli injured, who is on painkillers already or to have their front-line bowlers break down, just because some common fans will break their TVs or the media will grill them for a few days.

It will very foolish of BCCI to cater to the sentiments of the people rather than look after its players.

What is the worst that can happen? An Indian team with fringe players gets battered by Pakistan in a low-profile tournament.

However, all of that will be forgotten if India do well in the upcoming assignments like the Australian tour and the World Cup, or if they beat Pakistan in the World Cup as per the norm.

On the contrary, if they do send their full team to the Asia Cup and beat Pakistan, none of that will matter if they fail in Australia and in the World Cup.

Obviously, if their main players play in the Asia Cup, it does not mean that they will get injured. They probably won’t, but the risk is greater than reward.

The Asia Cup is of little priority compared to the Australian tour, the World Cup and the IPL. If India didn’t have a tough season coming up, they probably would have played their full-strength team. That might happen still, but it would be a foolish risk on BCCI’s part.

It has the potential to be a blockbuster tournament, but it needs to be organized better. As long as it is played either before or after an important series for the participating teams, it will have little hype.

It needs more space in the calendar with good buildup. However, it is difficult to achieve because of the rocky relationship between the Asian boards.

So by this bizarre logic you are spouting, if India send kohli and a full strength team, they are unprofessional, emotional and sentimental! This is a rhetorical question. The answer is yes. So let’s see how this plays out.

 

[ChuckLee]

Facts bro - the way the medicore Pakistani cricketers are hyped to the moon epitomises the hype circle.

It’s sad cuz some of the lads are talented and show promise. But here on PP they elavate them to ATG status after scoring a 50 against Usa C team.

 

[Bilal7]

Hope India give us a better fight this time. This rivalry is getting boring since we're always just humiliating them.

 

[Usman Chadda]

Indians test match mein busy hain, idher apne Pakistani hi ek dusre ko ura rahe hain

#NotIndiaPakistanAnymore

 

[mak36]

Sure, but the general cricket audience cares. That is why only in Pakistan is someone like Sarfraz a better captain than Kohli.

Yes, because the Sky commentary team and the ICC are Pakistan fans.

 

[Canford Cliffs]

Hope India give us a better fight this time. This rivalry is getting boring since we're always just humiliating them.

Think that CT final was the 1st time Pak beaten India in 3 years, in any format and in all cricket (senior, U19 etc)

How is Pak always humiliating India??

 

[the_outsider]

Think that CT final was the 1st time Pak beaten India in 3 years, in any format and in all cricket (senior, U19 etc)

How is Pak always humiliating India??

Every night when [MENTION=129948]Bilal7[/MENTION] goes to sleep he dreams about the CT17 final. So he keeps thinking Pakistan is beating India every day.

 

[Canford Cliffs]

Every night when [MENTION=129948]Bilal7[/MENTION] goes to sleep he dreams about the CT17 final. So he keeps thinking Pakistan is beating India every day.

I wont blame him...if wins come as far and less, as a supporter you ought to remember that. In this decade, most Pak fans only remember 3 events -
A) Aane Do Series
B) Asia Cup 2014 and Afridi's 2 sixes
C) CT final

No other games happened in between or after

 

[Usman Chadda]

I wont blame him...if wins come as far and less, as a supporter you ought to remember that. In this decade, most Pak fans only remember 3 events -
A) Aane Do Series
B) Asia Cup 2014 and Afridi's 2 sixes
C) CT final

No other games happened in between or after

Lol how many matches did India Pakistan play in all between those events? Of the top of my head, WT20 2014, WC2015, Asia Cup 2016 and WT20 2016. India is at its strongest, while Pakistan was a joke till 2017 tbh. Still not bad.

 

[Canford Cliffs]

Lol how many matches did India Pakistan play in all between those events? Of the top of my head, WT20 2014, WC2015, Asia Cup 2016 and WT20 2016. India is at its strongest, while Pakistan was a joke till 2017 tbh. Still not bad.

You have a bad habbit of missing the point and jumping in. No one said, India is far superior or anything. We were just replying to Bilal7 who said the rivalry is boring now bcoz Pak is aparently always beating India. So I just wanted to know in which universe those games being played? Surely not in planet earth.

And if you really interested, below are the list of games this decade:

1) Asia Cup 2010 - India
2) World Cup 2011 - India
3) Asia Cup 2012 - India
4) WT20 2012 - India
5) U19 WC 2012 - India
6) Aane Do series - Pakistan
7) Champions Trophy 2013 - India
8) U23 Emerging cup (league game) - India
9) U23 Emerging cup (finals) - India
10) U19 WC 2014 - India
11) Asia cup 2014 - Pakistan
12) WT20 2014 - India
13) World cup 2015 - India
14) Asia cup 2016 - India
15) WT20 2016 - India
16) Champions Trophy league game - India
17) Champions Trophy finals - Pakistan
18) U19 WC 2018 - India

But but but...as per Bilal bhai....Pakistan is always beating India

 

[Titan24]

Lol! If only people saying India will send a B team/ Kohli Bumrah wont play etc
would have said they would stop making predictions if India will send their full team in this tournument.

 

[Titan24]

My prediction is India is gonna send full strength team unless there is an injury of course.

While [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] [MENTION=147347]Canford Cliffs[/MENTION] and some others are predicting otherwsie. So lets see.

 

[topspin]

India don't care as much about this Asia cup as much as Pakistan does, who also happen to play their strongest XI against the B teams of WI, Zimbabwe and SL because they have a small team mentality.

India on the other hand know that winning in Australia has far more importance, which is a series followed by a heavy packed 2019 schedule up until the WC. It makes no sense to risk the likes of Kohli and Bumrah when they have bigger fish to fry.

 

[Usman Chadda]

You have a bad habbit of missing the point and jumping in. No one said, India is far superior or anything. We were just replying to Bilal7 who said the rivalry is boring now bcoz Pak is aparently always beating India. So I just wanted to know in which universe those games being played? Surely not in planet earth.

And if you really interested, below are the list of games this decade:

1) Asia Cup 2010 - India
2) World Cup 2011 - India
3) Asia Cup 2012 - India
4) WT20 2012 - India
5) U19 WC 2012 - India
6) Aane Do series - Pakistan
7) Champions Trophy 2013 - India
8) U23 Emerging cup (league game) - India
9) U23 Emerging cup (finals) - India
10) U19 WC 2014 - India
11) Asia cup 2014 - Pakistan
12) WT20 2014 - India
13) World cup 2015 - India
14) Asia cup 2016 - India
15) WT20 2016 - India
16) Champions Trophy league game - India
17) Champions Trophy finals - Pakistan
18) U19 WC 2018 - India

But but but...as per Bilal bhai....Pakistan is always beating India

Shouldn’t we stick to the senior team here? I don’t care what beef you have with ‘Bilal bhai’, I was making my own query.

 

[Napa]

Cricinfo Statsguru, I have a huge database, I will post a coloured excel sheet soon

I would also be curious to see this spreadsheet.

No need for a colored excel sheet, just letting us know who these players are with a 237 average against Indian bowlers will be sufficient.

Still waiting...

 

[ChuckLee]

Trust a thread like this to run for multiple pages.

#IndiaPakistan

If it was the other way round it would be a page

 

[Darkrai]

ODI champion is the team that wins the World Cup, so it is Australia.

What is the difference between WC and CT? Just the name?
The WC has two more teams than CT, both are minnow-which makes it less competitive. If a teams slips up no problem they can just beat a minnow to get some points.

The tournament is named Champions trophy, so the winner (Pakistan) is the champion of all the top teams.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

What is the difference between WC and CT? Just the name?
The WC has two more teams than CT, both are minnow-which makes it less competitive. If a teams slips up no problem they can just beat a minnow to get some points.

The tournament is named Champions trophy, so the winner (Pakistan) is the champion of all the top teams.

You mean when West Indies won the Champions Trophy they were world Champions and not Australia?

Glad to see how much sense you have in the cerebral cortex.

 

[Titan24]

India don't care as much about this Asia cup as much as Pakistan does, who also happen to play their strongest XI against the B teams of WI, Zimbabwe and SL because they have a small team mentality.

India on the other hand know that winning in Australia has far more importance, which is a series followed by a heavy packed 2019 schedule up until the WC. It makes no sense to risk the likes of Kohli and Bumrah when they have bigger fish to fry.

No offesnse but its pretty irritating to teach people who dont know a lot about agaiant and again.

You do realize that Pakistan’s team as much less experienced than the Indian team, Pakistan’s top 3 havent even played 100 matches between them while Indian top 3 has more than 500. Pakistan with this young and new players cant rest the players as they want them to have match experience no matter against which opposition. Players who havent even played 20,30 matches being rested would be laughable.

Secondly, you are saying Kohli and Bumrah wont play Asia cup. Ok noted, will get to see in a week or two how seriously India is taking this Asia cup. They take it seriously or they dont its India’s headache which any Pak fan is least interested in. But, please stop the predictions if this one of yours regarding India’s B team goes wrong.

 

[Usman Chadda]

No offesnse but its pretty irritating to teach people who dont know a lot about agaiant and again.

You do realize that Pakistan’s team as much less experienced than the Indian team, Pakistan’s top 3 havent even played 100 matches between them while Indian top 3 has more than 500. Pakistan with this young and new players cant rest the players as they want them to have match experience no matter against which opposition. Players who havent even played 20,30 matches being rested would be laughable.

Secondly, you are saying Kohli and Bumrah wont play Asia cup. Ok noted, will get to see in a week or two how seriously India is taking this Asia cup. They take it seriously or they dont its India’s headache which any Pak fan is least interested in. But, please stop the predictions if this one of yours regarding India’s B team goes wrong.

Lol I don’t expect this bloke to be around here for much longer. Let’s see how serious India takes the Asia Cup after one or two defeats to Pakistan

 

[Mamoon]

What is the difference between WC and CT? Just the name?
The WC has two more teams than CT, both are minnow-which makes it less competitive. If a teams slips up no problem they can just beat a minnow to get some points.

The tournament is named Champions trophy, so the winner (Pakistan) is the champion of all the top teams.

Now that Pakistan have won the Champions Trophy, you can consider it the biggest sporting event in the world if you wish, but the reality is different.

The Champions Trophy (regardless of the name) is a second rate tournament and that is why it is being scrapped.

The World Cup is cricket’s premier trophy and winning the World Cup makes you the world champion in ODIs, just like how winning the WT20 makes you the T20 champions.

The Champions Trophy has bee scrapped for the ICC Test Championship because it serves nice purpose. Moving on, cricket will have three tournaments for three formats and winning any of those tournaments will make a team the champion of that particular format.

South Africa, New Zealand, India/Sri Lanka, West Indies and Pakistan did not become world champions in 1998, 2000, 2002, 2004 and 2017 respectively - the world champions during these years were Sri Lanka (1996 World Cup), India (2011 World Cup) and Australia (1999, 2003, 2007, 2015 World Cups).

Whether the World Cup has X more teams and allows you to come back after losing a match etc. is irrelevant - it is the premier ODI trophy because it is the World Cup, and that is why the ICC have scrapped the Champions Trophy and not the World Cup.

So in a nutshell, the world champion as of 2018 is Australia and not Pakistan.

It is funny how the perception of the Champions Trophy has changed for Pakistani fans. Before 2017, it was an irrelevant tournament, but after 2017, it became as prestigious as the World Cup, if not more.

 

[Mamoon]

My prediction is India is gonna send full strength team unless there is an injury of course.

While [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] [MENTION=147347]Canford Cliffs[/MENTION] and some others are predicting otherwsie. So lets see.

I am not predicting anything, I don’t know if India will send a full-strength team or a weakened team without Kohli etc., so I would prefer to sit on the fence for now.

However, I would be surprised if they send a full team considering the heavy workload and the fact that the Australian tour and the World Cup are of more paramount importance than the Asia Cup.

 

[Usman Chadda]

Now that Pakistan have won the Champions Trophy, you can consider it the biggest sporting event in the world if you wish, but the reality is different.

The Champions Trophy (regardless of the name) is a second rate tournament and that is why it is being scrapped.

The World Cup is cricket’s premier trophy and winning the World Cup makes you the world champion in ODIs, just like how winning the WT20 makes you the T20 champions.

The Champions Trophy has bee scrapped for the ICC Test Championship because it serves nice purpose. Moving on, cricket will have three tournaments for three formats and winning any of those tournaments will make a team the champion of that particular format.

South Africa, New Zealand, India/Sri Lanka, West Indies and Pakistan did not become world champions in 1998, 2000, 2002, 2004 and 2017 respectively - the world champions during these years were Sri Lanka (1996 World Cup), India (2011 World Cup) and Australia (1999, 2003, 2007, 2015 World Cups).

Whether the World Cup has X more teams and allows you to come back after losing a match etc. is irrelevant - it is the premier ODI trophy because it is the World Cup, and that is why the ICC have scrapped the Champions Trophy and not the World Cup.

So in a nutshell, the world champion as of 2018 is Australia and not Pakistan.

It is funny how the perception of the Champions Trophy has changed for Pakistani fans. Before 2017, it was an irrelevant tournament, but after 2017, it became as prestigious as the World Cup, if not more.

The Champions Trophy has been scrapped for another T20 tournament. But yeah, its a redundant tournament and rightfully so, considering the World Cup has a similar format as the CT.

 

[Canford Cliffs]

I am not predicting anything, I don’t know if India will send a full-strength team or a weakened team without Kohli etc., so I would prefer to sit on the fence for now.

However, I would be surprised if they send a full team considering the heavy workload and the fact that the Australian tour and the World Cup are of more paramount importance than the Asia Cup.

Kohli rested, Raina dropped. Rohit to lead the team as I am hearing. Full team soon.

 

[Mamoon]

Kohli rested, Raina dropped. Rohit to lead the team as I am hearing. Full team soon.

Yes that is the expected team. Kohli is not fully fit at the moment and his schedule is jam-packed till next summer.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Johnson is trying too hard to be a McGrath here with his predictions. McGrath used to go against the grain and make outrageous predictions about series results. This is an easy prediction to make and MJ would do well not to state the damn obvious like it's a revelation of a new gospel. Pakistan are the world cup favourites and India are obviously the underdogs even if we send our full strength side.

 

[Peshwa]

You mean when West Indies won the Champions Trophy they were world Champions and not Australia?

Glad to see how much sense you have in the cerebral cortex.

Champions Trophy is the New World Cup For Pakistani Fans

 

[Darkrai]

Now that Pakistan have won the Champions Trophy, you can consider it the biggest sporting event in the world if you wish, but the reality is different.

The Champions Trophy (regardless of the name) is a second rate tournament and that is why it is being scrapped.

The World Cup is cricket’s premier trophy and winning the World Cup makes you the world champion in ODIs, just like how winning the WT20 makes you the T20 champions.

The Champions Trophy has bee scrapped for the ICC Test Championship because it serves nice purpose. Moving on, cricket will have three tournaments for three formats and winning any of those tournaments will make a team the champion of that particular format.

South Africa, New Zealand, India/Sri Lanka, West Indies and Pakistan did not become world champions in 1998, 2000, 2002, 2004 and 2017 respectively - the world champions during these years were Sri Lanka (1996 World Cup), India (2011 World Cup) and Australia (1999, 2003, 2007, 2015 World Cups).

Whether the World Cup has X more teams and allows you to come back after losing a match etc. is irrelevant - it is the premier ODI trophy because it is the World Cup, and that is why the ICC have scrapped the Champions Trophy and not the World Cup.

So in a nutshell, the world champion as of 2018 is Australia and not Pakistan.

It is funny how the perception of the Champions Trophy has changed for Pakistani fans. Before 2017, it was an irrelevant tournament, but after 2017, it became as prestigious as the World Cup, if not more.

Who told you that i consider CT to be the biggest sporting event? I simply stated facts.

Whether CT is second rate or third rate that is your opinion, and it's irrelevant because it's the same format and the same teams playing in a tournament. Teams simply do not try less because it's called CT and not the WC. The fact that CT is being scrapped by the ICC is irrelevant. The tournament happened, all the top teams played and there was a champion. You can come up with all the excuses in the world but the facts wont change.

Yes Aus won the WC in 2015 but Pakistan won the CT in 2017, both are the same format.
There is a reason why CT is called CT, only the best play in the tournament. To get the better of the top teams, Pakistan are rightly the Champions.

You can deny all you want the facts remain the same.

 

[topspin]

No offesnse but its pretty irritating to teach people who dont know a lot about agaiant and again.

You do realize that Pakistan’s team as much less experienced than the Indian team, Pakistan’s top 3 havent even played 100 matches between them while Indian top 3 has more than 500. Pakistan with this young and new players cant rest the players as they want them to have match experience no matter against which opposition. Players who havent even played 20,30 matches being rested would be laughable.

Secondly, you are saying Kohli and Bumrah wont play Asia cup. Ok noted, will get to see in a week or two how seriously India is taking this Asia cup. They take it seriously or they dont its India’s headache which any Pak fan is least interested in. But, please stop the predictions if this one of yours regarding India’s B team goes wrong.

Regardless of their lack of experience, no other top 6 side would ever think about playing their full strength side against such opposition. It's poor player management because we risk them getting injured for more crucial matches to come and from a cricketing perspective it isn't nice to see some mediocre batsmen inflating stats due to minnow banishing. Pakistan won't develop to their potential until they test out their bench strength like the teams with a bigger mentality would.

 

[topspin]

Lol I don’t expect this bloke to be around here for much longer. Let’s see how serious India takes the Asia Cup after one or two defeats to Pakistan

I won't be going anywhere and I'll be relieved if we win because it means we haven't been embarrassed by an Indian side without Kohli in our current home conditions for the last 8 years running.

Also I don't get this false sense of confidence when they clearly have better spinners and superior to us in how they play spin.

Like with the rest of the hype circle, the CT 2017 win has just go to your head. Until we win the WC, I'll be staying level headed without any great expectations from one of Pakistan's worst batting line ups in their ODI history.

 

[topspin]

Now that Pakistan have won the Champions Trophy, you can consider it the biggest sporting event in the world if you wish, but the reality is different.

The Champions Trophy (regardless of the name) is a second rate tournament and that is why it is being scrapped.

The World Cup is cricket’s premier trophy and winning the World Cup makes you the world champion in ODIs, just like how winning the WT20 makes you the T20 champions.

The Champions Trophy has bee scrapped for the ICC Test Championship because it serves nice purpose. Moving on, cricket will have three tournaments for three formats and winning any of those tournaments will make a team the champion of that particular format.

South Africa, New Zealand, India/Sri Lanka, West Indies and Pakistan did not become world champions in 1998, 2000, 2002, 2004 and 2017 respectively - the world champions during these years were Sri Lanka (1996 World Cup), India (2011 World Cup) and Australia (1999, 2003, 2007, 2015 World Cups).

Whether the World Cup has X more teams and allows you to come back after losing a match etc. is irrelevant - it is the premier ODI trophy because it is the World Cup, and that is why the ICC have scrapped the Champions Trophy and not the World Cup.

So in a nutshell, the world champion as of 2018 is Australia and not Pakistan.

It is funny how the perception of the Champions Trophy has changed for Pakistani fans. Before 2017, it was an irrelevant tournament, but after 2017, it became as prestigious as the World Cup, if not more.

Not just for our fans but our players who set this example - now that Sarfraz has won CT, he wants a Bollywood role with Katrina Kaif

Just a little bit of success and all the heroic receptions have got to his head.

 

[Usman Chadda]

I won't be going anywhere and I'll be relieved if we win because it means we haven't been embarrassed by an Indian side without Kohli in our current home conditions for the last 8 years running.

Also I don't get this false sense of confidence when they clearly have better spinners and superior to us in how they play spin.

Like with the rest of the hype circle, the CT 2017 win has just go to your head. Until we win the WC, I'll be staying level headed without any great expectations from one of Pakistan's worst batting line ups in their ODI history.

How is this the worst batting line up in Pakistan’s ODI history? Were you in hibernation between 2011-2016? Atleast we don’t have wannabees like Shehzad and Akmal as our saviours anymore.

So you won’t rate this team until we win the WC. Pretty high standards you have set there. This team will be a very good one if they beat three of Australia, New Zealand, South Africa and England the coming year. A semi spot in the WC will just confirm Pakistan’s status as one of the top teams in ODI cricket. Pehle ye sab karlein, phir WC jeetne ki sochenge boss

 

[topspin]

How is this the worst batting line up in Pakistan’s ODI history? Were you in hibernation between 2011-2016? Atleast we don’t have wannabees like Shehzad and Akmal as our saviours anymore.

So you won’t rate this team until we win the WC. Pretty high standards you have set there. This team will be a very good one if they beat three of Australia, New Zealand, South Africa and England the coming year. A semi spot in the WC will just confirm Pakistan’s status as one of the top teams in ODI cricket. Pehle ye sab karlein, phir WC jeetne ki sochenge boss

I explicitly mentioned "one of Pakistan's worst batting line ups in their ODI history". Pakistan's worst ODI batting side was during the time of the 2011 WC.

I didn't imply I wouldn't rate them, I would just have reservations if they fail to back up the CT win with a WC win next year, if you consider historically England has been a happy hunting ground for Pakistan where they've won 2 LOI tournaments there and since 1999 have always at least reached semis barring Misbah's 2013 CT side.

I agree if they've beaten 3 of the SENA and reach semis next year they're one of the top sides in ODI cricket but we need more from batsmen who aren't Fakhar because it is a one man army with him holding the bat for the side from what I'm seeing.

 

[El Generico]

Not just for our fans but our players who set this example - now that Sarfraz has won CT, he wants a Bollywood role with Katrina Kaif

Just a little bit of success and all the heroic receptions have got to his head.

Do you know what the word " joke" means? It's ok if you don't, you can just google it. It may seem shocking but Sarfaraz was clearly joking. If anything it was a self deprecating joke.

 

[El Generico]

Kohli rested, Raina dropped. Rohit to lead the team as I am hearing. Full team soon.

So bascially its a full Indian side with Kohli resting? Weren't some of you claiming that it would be a young "A" side?

 

[topspin]

Do you know what the word " joke" means? It's ok if you don't, you can just google it. It may seem shocking but Sarfaraz was clearly joking. If anything it was a self deprecating joke.

Cut out the patronising tone.

I'm totally aware that he said it as a joke but he should really ought to look in the mirror first. Secondly would he have made such comments before the CT win? I don't think so because he was a nobody back then in Pakistan.

 

[El Generico]

Cut out the patronising tone.

I'm totally aware that he said it as a joke but he should really ought to look in the mirror first. Secondly would he have made such comments before the CT win? I don't think so because he was a nobody back then in Pakistan.

He was a nobody in Pakistan? Even before CT he was Pakistan's captain and was leading a PSL team as well. As far as looking in the mirror goes, it is clear that just like most people, Sarfraz does not look like a typical movie star, thats what makes it a self deprecating joke.

 

[Abdullah719]

He was a nobody in Pakistan? Even before CT he was Pakistan's captain and was leading a PSL team as well. As far as looking in the mirror goes, it is clear that just like most people, Sarfraz does not look like a typical movie star, thats what makes it a self deprecating joke.

It was obviously a self-deprecating joke, shouldn't have caused so much furore.

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[Bilal7]

I wont blame him...if wins come as far and less, as a supporter you ought to remember that. In this decade, most Pak fans only remember 3 events -
A) Aane Do Series
B) Asia Cup 2014 and Afridi's 2 sixes
C) CT final

No other games happened in between or after

Pretty much. Unless you want to talk about meaningless games like during the group stages of the 2015 WC and CT. Pakistan has seized almost all the big moments since Mohali.

 

[mak36]

Pretty much. Unless you want to talk about meaningless games like during the group stages of the 2015 WC and CT. Pakistan has seized almost all the big moments since Mohali.

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Good to have you back.

 

[Bilal7]

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Good to have you back.

Congratulations on your POTW wins.

 

[Stalin]

Pretty much. Unless you want to talk about meaningless games like during the group stages of the 2015 WC and CT. Pakistan has seized almost all the big moments since Mohali.

WTH really???? Since Mohali ???? Alright here we go.
2013 Champions trophy- we effectively knocked you out of the tournament and went on to win it. Huh?
2014 wt20 - Defeat to us has put you in dire straits and eventually got knocked out.
2016 Asia cup - Our thrashing is the main reason why pakistan didn't reach the final ....and yah we went on to win it.
2016 wt20 - We brought you back crashing after your win against Bangldesh in the opener and that effectively put you out of reach for semis ...
If not for Sri Lankan fielders mercy.... you'd have been out of CT as well....but due to enormous amount of luck in your favour (Devine or not ) , you've managed to get a title ...like a river in a desert and that has become the pacific for you....
And it's quite pathetic that still you think pakistan have won more BIG games against India than the contrart.... Your players openly admitted that they feel extremely nervous when playing against India and that has stopped them from winning against us in world events. But you fans will never admit that. Do you?

 

[Justcrazy]

With Kohli in the XI Indians would have been ahead of pakistan , but now without Kohli , the middle order is not that strong. Pakistan have good chance against India. If Pakistan bat sensibly and get decent totals , they can put pressure on Indian middle order.

 

[giri26]

I think the games between India and Pakistan will be close. It will all depend on how the Pakistan batters respond if Fakhar gets out early. And also how they tackle the two wrist spinners in the middle overs.

 

[Usman Chadda]

Interesting how Indian fans, outside of this forum, think Asia Cup will be a walk in the park for them. They never learn do they

 

[the_outsider]

Interesting how Indian fans, outside of this forum, think Asia Cup will be a walk in the park for them. They never learn do they

That would be true for every nation's fan.

The regular fan is just a casual follower of sports. They don't care.

Not every fan is a cricket nerd like us here on PP.

 

[shariqnoor]

Pakistan has been very poor in ODIs in the UAE for a considerable period of time, so I'm not sure how we have an upper hand here.

 

[the_outsider]

Pakistan has been very poor in ODIs in the UAE for a considerable period of time, so I'm not sure how we have an upper hand here.

Not necessarily poor but it's been pretty average for as far as home records go.

Since UAE became the home venue, Pak has won 29 and lost 30.

But interesting to note that India hasn't played in UAE in the last 12 years. So nobody in the Indian squad will have any experience of playing in UAE.

SL has a very poor record in UAE losing 12 out of 15 games in the last 10 years.

And even Bangladesh, like India has not played in the UAE in ages. Bangladesh's last match in the UAE was in 1995.

 

[Bilal7]

WTH really???? Since Mohali ???? Alright here we go.
2013 Champions trophy- we effectively knocked you out of the tournament and went on to win it. Huh?
2014 wt20 - Defeat to us has put you in dire straits and eventually got knocked out.
2016 Asia cup - Our thrashing is the main reason why pakistan didn't reach the final ....and yah we went on to win it.
2016 wt20 - We brought you back crashing after your win against Bangldesh in the opener and that effectively put you out of reach for semis ...
If not for Sri Lankan fielders mercy.... you'd have been out of CT as well....but due to enormous amount of luck in your favour (Devine or not ) , you've managed to get a title ...like a river in a desert and that has become the pacific for you....
And it's quite pathetic that still you think pakistan have won more BIG games against India than the contrart.... Your players openly admitted that they feel extremely nervous when playing against India and that has stopped them from winning against us in world events. But you fans will never admit that. Do you?

Don't care about T20 competitions very much and this is despite Pakistan historically being the best IT20 team. I was only talking about ODI cricket. Yes, that 2013 CT loss was disappointing but I did say "almost all" in my post.

 

[Usman Chadda]

That would be true for every nation's fan.

The regular fan is just a casual follower of sports. They don't care.

Not every fan is a cricket nerd like us here on PP.

I’m not just talking about casual fans here though. Sports anchors, journalists etc are bashing the Indian team for a poor England tour whilst stating that winning the Asia Cup would make all these troubles go away. Disrespecting the opposition and the game leads to the severe backlash and trolling India continues to receive after a poor performance. I remember something similar before the recent test series too.

 

[the_outsider]

I’m not just talking about casual fans here though. Sports anchors, journalists etc are bashing the Indian team for a poor England tour whilst stating that winning the Asia Cup would make all these troubles go away.

Can you post a source to this? Because I searched and found nothing like this.

I only found news of Gavaskar, Ganguly, Harsha, etc saying that the Indian team management needs to answer questions about the England tour. I didn't come across anything about the Asia Cup from any respectable anchor, player, etc.

 

[AMSS]

Its very surprising for an Indian fan who has deleted 2017 from his/her memory. I salute your cricketing knowledge if you are not able to discern the difference between the Pakistan side that played in the Asia Cup 2016 and the current team. Then again, Indian fans and ignorance is a match made in heaven.

India A has no chance of making the Asia Cup final. Any Indian team without Virat Kohli is India A for me.

Quoting this post only because it succinctly highlights India sent its A team for this tourney.

No comments on the rest of the post.

 

[AMSS]

It will be foolish of India not to send their full strength team after the phainta they received against us last year.. The common Indian and Pak cricket fan cares more about an Indian-Pakistan match rather than bilateral test series.. If someone doesn't agree with this then he/she is lying not with us but with himself/herself...

Good post. Asia cup>>>>>tests against AusSAEngNZ

 

[Zerotohero]

Interesting how Indian fans, outside of this forum, think Asia Cup will be a walk in the park for them. They never learn do they

ROFL... HMMMMM... no comments

 

[Dingolfy]

I won't be going anywhere and I'll be relieved if we win because it means we haven't been embarrassed by an Indian side without Kohli in our current home conditions for the last 8 years running.

Also I don't get this false sense of confidence when they clearly have better spinners and superior to us in how they play spin.

Like with the rest of the hype circle, the CT 2017 win has just go to your head. Until we win the WC, I'll be staying level headed without any great expectations from one of Pakistan's worst batting line ups in their ODI history.

You were the only sane Pakistani here who saw through the hype.

 

[navin]

Hope India give us a better fight this time. This rivalry is getting boring since we're always just humiliating them.

Is he for real?

 

[axis]

I don't think we should judge Pakistan harshly here. It was just one of those days when nothing went well for the team.

Let's not forget the core of the same team was there in CT17 where Pakistan defeated and humiliated India.

Let's not be over critical of the team.

 

[topspin]

You were the only sane Pakistani here who saw through the hype.

I knew we had no chance against India but the defeat against Bangladesh is exactly what Sarfraz and Pakistan fans deserve. I just hope this gives us the wake up call we need going in to the WC starting with the permanent exclusion of Sarfraz Tullaybaz.

Like with the fans you can see that with our skipper, the CT win got to his head and was simply content with it as if he has accomplished everything in his career. I guess thats what happens when you give a nobody a little bit of success.

 

[wrongun]

MJ is famous for bowling very fast, not being a great analyst or pundit or cricket brain. Don't put too much stock in what he says. Unless he threatens to break your arm!