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Pakistan will not be playing South Africa in November-December [Update Post #71]

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Now that the RSA T20 tournament is postponed to next year. Their schedule is blank for 6 weeks. We should pounce!!
 
Its fine they will suffer more humiliation than bangladesh did .. there use to be a time when u expected pak to win... these days u just pray they don't embarrass the nation.
 
Would be a good idea but doubt it will happen. We could either play them in UAE or in South Africa. I guess in South Africa would help the CSA more as they will have suffered from the postponement and it will be a great experience for our players playing in those conditions.
 
Yes, so that we can suffer our fourth whitewash in five series.
 
All for it. Maybe book a series against Bangladesh as well to get some test match cricket.
 
The PCB is looking into this. Spoke to Najam Sethi about it
 
hadi123 said:
Short term Pain for Long term gain. In the long run it will only improve our players.
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You need ability to improve. These batsmen simply don't have the caliber and they will learn nothing.

Azhar can play 200 Tests and he will still not be able to dominate a bowler, and Shafiq will never be consistent. The likes of Sami and Masood are clearly lacking in ability as well. Sarfraz will continue to sweep for 40 deliveries and then throw it away.

Haris and Babar (if he doesn't get dropped) are two batsmen who would probably learn a thing or two from playing in SA early in their careers.

Anyhow, it is suicidal to tour SA for a Test series under these circumstances. There is absolutely no need of suffering another whitewash right now.
 
Mamoon said:
You need ability to improve. These batsmen simply don't have the caliber and they will learn nothing.

Azhar can play 200 Tests and he will still not be able to dominate a bowler, and Shafiq will never be consistent. The likes of Sami and Masood are clearly lacking in ability as well. Sarfraz will continue to sweep for 40 deliveries and then throw it away.

Haris and Babar (if he doesn't get dropped) are two batsmen who would probably learn a thing or two from playing in SA early in their careers.

Anyhow, it is suicidal to tour SA for a Test series under these circumstances. There is absolutely no need of suffering another whitewash right now.
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It will be beneficial in some way. Whether that's finding players who can score in tough conditions, finding which players are not good enough or simply giving exposure to batsmen against world class bowlers in tough conditions
 
KARACHI : Cricket South Africa (CSA) and the Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) are in discussion for a proposed series between November and December later this year.

The news came after South Africa’s Global T20 League, their own version of cash-rich 20-over tournament, was postponed on Wednesday till November 2018 after the country’s cricket board failed to secure a broadcast deal or a title sponsor, resulting in hefty financial losses.

The tournament was expected to start from November 3, and its postponement means South African players will be out of action for six weeks before Boxing Day Test, whereas Pakistan team will also have no international cricket between November and December.

A PCB source, while talking to the The Express Tribune, confirmed that both boards are discussing about the potential series, and also reveals that chairman Najam Sethi will meet CSA’s acting CEO Thabang Moroe later this month as well.

“The board is in talks with CSA to hold complete series in the same slot that Global League was set to be organised,” he said. “Chairman Najam Sethi will be meeting with CSA’s acting CEO Thabang Moroe this month to discuss on the series. Both teams will not be having any matches of series in that slot but the dates will be finalized once they meet and agree on the series.”

https://tribune.com.pk/story/1529260/t20-league-delay-south-africa-likely-face-pakistan/
 
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It will be another one sided useless tour perhaps our super slow batsmen will perform worse than Bangladesh. In those pitches you have to play shot. Both Sami, Shan and even Azhar can't play 70+ balls to open up. Both matches we will loose by innings and 100+ runs
 
So that we are expected to lose we should not play at all? I want to watch us play and I am pretty sure most of the fans do regardless of what the end result would be.
 
Good move here, regardless of whether we get stuffed out in S.A we need series like this outside of the UAE to improve as a side, 3 tests and maybe 3 odis would be ideal. Hopefully at least 2 test played fingers crossed.

6 weeks is a a good time period to get a decent length series booked.
 
Cricket SA scramble to plug gaping fixtures hole left by T20GL

Cricket South Africa (CSA) are bustling around frantically trying to fill the gaping fixtures hole in their calendar that has been left open by the embarrassing postponement of the T20 Global League between November and December.

CSA general manager Corrie van Zyl‚ one of the officials tasked with the difficult job of filling that gap‚ says they have to come up with a plan because not having cricket for a period of six weeks in the middle of the season will not be ideal.

The T20GL‚ which was steadily generating interest from the South African public and has attracted some of the biggest names in the game‚ was postponed for a year this week as a result of a lack of a broadcast deal and a title sponsor.

“The plan is to find something to fill that gap that has been left by the postponement of the T20 Global League because we can’t have a situation where there is no cricket at this time of the year‚” Van Zyl said.

“We are consulting with relevant stakeholders including franchise owners and the players to see what we can do and an announcement will be made soon.”

Van Zyl would not be drawn to comment on whether CSA are considering changing the franchise fixtures or engaging Pakistan or Zimbabwe‚ who have openings in their fixtures in November and December.

Pakistan’s last match of the year is the third and final T20 against Sri Lanka at the Gaddafi Stadium in Lahore on October 29 and they only return to action on January 6 in the first of five ODIs against New Zealand in Wellington.

Zimbabwe are currently hosting the West Indies in a two-match Test series‚ which comes to an end on November 2 in Bulawayo before arriving in South Africa for a one-off day/night four-day pink ball test against the Proteas in Port Elizabeth from Boxing Day.

https://www.timeslive.co.za/sport/c...e-to-plug-gaping-fixtures-hole-left-by-t20gl/
 
Mamoon said:
You need ability to improve. These batsmen simply don't have the caliber and they will learn nothing.

Azhar can play 200 Tests and he will still not be able to dominate a bowler, and Shafiq will never be consistent. The likes of Sami and Masood are clearly lacking in ability as well. Sarfraz will continue to sweep for 40 deliveries and then throw it away.

Haris and Babar (if he doesn't get dropped) are two batsmen who would probably learn a thing or two from playing in SA early in their careers.

Anyhow, it is suicidal to tour SA for a Test series under these circumstances. There is absolutely no need of suffering another whitewash right now.
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Haris, Babar, Salahuddin, Abbas and the other 2 pacers apart from Amir and Wahab can certainly learn a thing or two. This series might also be a good thing if we can get rid of Masood and Aslam.
 
Pakistan are touring south africa next year as well so i dont think south africa will invite us for any test matches , might be 5 odis and 3 t20s.
 
Should host them in UAE as we're touring South Africa next year. We're due to host them anyway as the last series was back in 2013.
 
Regardless of what sort of series we get it needs to include test matches, not meaningless ODIs and T20s.
 
I hope they skip the tests otherwise it will be humiliation for us. Looking forward to a 5 ODI, 3 T20 series.
 
[MENTION=53290]Markhor[/MENTION] , Other thing is if this series is away then I think sky sports have the broadcasting rights which would be great given the superior coverage
 
last series we beat them in ODI series and became the first Asian team to do so
 
Set up a tri-series with PAK, SA, and ZIM.

Been a while since we've seen one of those.
 
We shouldn't tour South Africa. It would be better for everyone if we get them to tour the UAE or, gasp, Pakistan!

2 tests and 3 ODIs and maybe a T20 match would be quite nice.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
I don't think a tri series with these 3 teams has ever happened
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That would also be quite random. Teams competing in tri-series usually have some sort of geographic or historical connection.
 
Bilal7 said:
That would also be quite random. Teams competing in tri-series usually have some sort of geographic or historical connection.
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Not necessarily random. When Tri series were regular in south Africa, I remember Zimbabwe being the 3rd team on a couple of occasion s atleast - IND/ZIM/SA in early 97 and ENG/SAF/ZIM in early 2000.
 
Great opportunity, but should PCB agree to play such meaningless tour instead of much awaited National T20 Cup?

6 weeks is a big window - if they play Test, should have 3 Tests, with couple of 4 days matches before that - otherwise 7 ODI & 3 T20 us best. Ideally, the series should be shared between UAE & SAF, but rather hosting in SAF under some revenue sharing model is best for the game. I still have bitter taste in mouth from the UAE tracks.
 
Probably impossible but it would be best for both Pakistan and SA if the games can be held in the UAE. The tests will be more in balance and the ODI games a spectacle.
 
Bilal7 said:
That would also be quite random. Teams competing in tri-series usually have some sort of geographic or historical connection.
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Last year saw a tri-series between Windies, Australia and RSA. Thats about as random as it gets.
 
Good news.

Considering you play tests there again in the next year or so, this series will be invaluable- give players experience & sort out just who can and cannot handle the conditions.

Pakistan don't get enough cricket & with the India ban, struggle to get enough matches against top nations. They should grab this opportunity to play.

Ideally, but considering also the financial gain the CSA will need or seek to make; a warm 50 over match followed by 3 ODI;
a single 4 day game or 2 day + a 3 day game to ready for longer format, then 3 Tests.

That would pretty much fill the 6 weeks. I expect to see 2 Tests & 3 T20I though.
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shaz619 said:
[MENTION=53290]Markhor[/MENTION] , Other thing is if this series is away then I think sky sports have the broadcasting rights which would be great given the superior coverage
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You mean super sport right ??
 
Pakistan has no chance to win tests, moreover CSA will incur losses, if they host Pakistan for tests.

For both parties, it's better to just play the LOI's.

They should play, 7 ODI's and, 4 T20I's.

Pakistan should include 7 fresh faces(out of 15) in T20I'S.

Those 7 should be

Sahibzada
Zeeshan Malik
Tallat
Yamin(in Playing 11)
Rohail Nazir +
Raza hassan (Return)
Shaheen Afridi
 
Great development, hope it works it is a win-win for both nations, any cricket is welcome than no cricket. RSA is a competitive side, a test or two would be fantastic, Pakistan's Test side is same as its LOI side should'nt expect wonders with this pathetically selected side by a corrupt selection panel. Even a bad test series will still be great for Pakistan team as they are'nt going to play many tests in calendar year and hopefully this will bring players' focus back to Test cricket which is actually real cricket. Meeting between both heads should happen as early as possible.
 
CSA will not pursue anything that will increase their expenses, which is anything other than a home series against the big three, which means that we're not playing the Proteas. :(
 
wrongun said:
Good news.

Considering you play tests there again in the next year or so, this series will be invaluable- give players experience & sort out just who can and cannot handle the conditions.

Pakistan don't get enough cricket & with the India ban, struggle to get enough matches against top nations. They should grab this opportunity to play.

Ideally, but considering also the financial gain the CSA will need or seek to make; a warm 50 over match followed by 3 ODI;
a single 4 day game or 2 day + a 3 day game to ready for longer format, then 3 Tests.

That would pretty much fill the 6 weeks. I expect to see 2 Tests & 3 T20I though.
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Pakistan don't play enough cricket because of the ignorance and nonchalance of their management. Apart from games vs India itself, the India "ban", if that's what you wanna call it, has absolutely no effect of Pakistan's chances of playing against top nation's.
 
Bilal7 said:
CSA will not pursue anything that will increase their expenses, which is anything other than a home series against the big three, which means that we're not playing the Proteas. :(
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Yep, seems like this series may not happen
 
Bilal7 said:
CSA will not pursue anything that will increase their expenses, which is anything other than a home series against the big three, which means that we're not playing the Proteas. :(
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Maybe a 3 match T20I series in UAE
 
Let's see here... There are four top nations, Oz, SA, England, India. By removing one, India, that reduces the number of top nations to play against by 25%.

Pretty hard to say that doesn't harm your chances of playing regularly against top nations when there are now only 3 to play and they won't want to play Pakistan more regularly to make up for India's issue.
 
That would be great news. Finally we'll play a top team in bilaterals this year
 
Any news on the potential South Africa tour?

I remember reading when the start of the ODIS about Pakistan and South Africa playing a series.....I haven't heard anything since then. Any news people? Would love to see Pakistan continue there dominance against a big team!!
 
There was rumors of one test but Najam Sethi has denied it so far.
 
Adnan_Ilyas said:
I remember reading when the start of the ODIS about Pakistan and South Africa playing a series.....I haven't heard anything since then. Any news people? Would love to see Pakistan continue there dominance against a big team!!
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No further news which means that the talks probably weren't productive, or they couldn't come to an eventual agreement...
 
Well there is no confirmation yet but we still may have the West Indies play 3 t20s in Pakistan
 
Pcb is a dumb board. I guess they have preferred useless "national t20 cup" of which rights were sold long ago for this proposed series which South Africa really wanted to hold

That would be horrible decision!!
 
Why are people blaming the PCB and Najam Sethi here? The South African board probably didn't agree to any series, the only think the PCB could do was to ask which i am sure they did, after that the ball is in Cricket South Africa's court
 
Any updates on whether a series between two sides will take place?
 
Would have been awesome if it happened. We need to play more while we are in red hot form.


I'd even be willing for PCB to drop all demands and just fly to India and murder them ghar mein ghus ke like 2012. That will surely shut up a billion people like June 18th.
 
I read somewhere that Sethi proposed a few T20's in Lahore and the rest of the series in the UAE. CSA would never agree to this. So they now announced a local T20 tourney ala PCB style.
 
CSA is trying to low ball PCB's demand here - these are cheap tactics, to get a bargain, which PCB should be able to address.

NO WAY, a 7+3 match LO series with PAK can be financially negative, when they have played last 7 Tests at home against SRL, NZ & BD:13:. Besides, central contracted players will get their monthly wage, so are the support staffs and ground staffs - it's just about match fee, logistical costs and PCB's revenue share or sit idle for domestic T20 cup (for both sides) - can't be that, playing PAK doesn't cover that incremental cost. May be small 2/3 match series isn't that lucrative (it might not compensate the fixed costs enough from 3 match's revenue, but they have enough time for 10 matches). PCB should call the bluff and ask them to tour in UAE - they'll coil their tail and seat on negotiation table; IND isn't free while AUS/ENG are busy with Ashes ..... and SRL/BD/WI has already made their trip :(.

This is one game I was quite good at - calling shots at shaping media partners & vendors/distributors to behave sober - just like I had to sell my product/service/brands, they have to run their shop and pay their bills as well :)
 
So if this series doesn't go through (which it highly looks like it won't), is it possible the PCB will arrange anything else? Don't mind playing anyone at this point.

Pakistan had a quite a long break after the CT win, now this tour, and another couple month break. That's only 1 tour in six months.
 
South Africa’s domestic franchise T20 tournament has been confirmed as the replacement for the postponed T20 Global League. Cricket South Africa (CSA) had unveiled the GLT20 as a 57-match event, featuring eight privately-owned teams, to be played from November 3, but it is now under investigation to determine whether the organisational process was above board.

Instead, South Africans fans will have to make do with a six-team domestic tournament that will now take place four months ahead of schedule. Originally due to be played from March 14 to April 15, it will now run from November 10 to December 16, with each franchise playing another in the home and away format. The competition features a total of 33 matches. Each franchise will play one another at home and away with two semi-finals and a final.

A bonus is that all national players will be available, a rare occurrence for domestic T20 cricket in South Africa, which is usually played when the senior side is occupied. Dale Steyn, Chris Morris, Morne Morkel, Duanne Olivier and Wayne Parnell are all expected to make their returns from injury in this competition, while Vernon Philander and Lungi Ngidi were back in action during this week’s first-class fixtures and will also take part in the T20 tournament. South Africa’s captain Faf du Plessis, who has been ruled out of the T20s against Bangladesh this week with a lower-back strain, could also come back during this period. However, no foreign internationals are expected to participate in the tournament. Most of those who had signed up for the GLT20 are already otherwise engaged and, in any case, CSA’s transformation targets make it tricky to accommodate them.

An insider was quoted as saying that there is already unrest in the domestic ranks. “The players are still very angry and disappointed that the T20 Global League is not going ahead and it is going to take time to restore their confidence.” One way of going about that is to ensure speedy compensation for the T20 Global League payouts. CSA have been in talks with the South African Cricketers’ Associations about that and Tony Irish, the SACA chief executive, said after “several hours of negotiation, the ball is in now in CSA’s court.”

The possibility of increasing salaries for those playing the domestic T20 tournament has also been raised and it may yet pan out despite the board’s current financial problems. Apart from the millions it has lost in the planning, marketing and launching of the postponed T20 Global League, the domestic T20 tournament is without a sponsor for a second successive season. While CSA are in talks to find a corporate backer, it may prove tough given the competition’s recent history. Two summers ago, it was hit by a match-fixing scandal that has since seen seven players, including four internationals, banned. Ram, the courier company that had the naming rights to the event, chose not to renew their deal in 2016. It claimed the decision was the result of a disagreement with the board, as opposed a reaction to the news of match-fixing. Another company which did not see eye to eye with CSA is broadcaster SuperSport who have emerged as the biggest beneficiaries of this change in the South African cricket calendar.

https://dailytimes.com.pk/129501/south-africa-domestic-t20-tournament-replace-glt20/
 
CSA doing what PCB does normally. Now PCB will organise that T20 cup which they planned to conduct before SRL series.
 
Glad the series isn't taking place. The Proteas would have thrashed Pakistan in all formats. We can continue to enjoy being on Cloud 9 for a while.
 
Saffer_XIII said:
We are the kings of useless bilaterals mate. No chance.
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Haha you got that right. There is one Saffer side that plays bilaterals and a completely different Saffer side that plays tournaments.
 
If not playing with South Africa, we can arrange a series with someone else who will be free during the time?

A short series with Zimbabwe?

Is West Indies coming at the end of November? I remember after the World XI tour, there President said: "see you in November" or something a long those lines.
 
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