Today Pakistan lost 10 crucial ICC super league points because of Misbah's poor planning in the super over. If things continue like this in the series against Netherlands and Afghanistan, Pakistan might well have to play qualifying round instead of automatic qualification. Only top 8 in the super league will qualify directly but the way things are going, we might not finish in the top 8 and will have to play the qualifying round like West Indies did for the last world cup in England.
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Pakistan will struggle to qualify for 2023 World Cup under Misbah-ul-Haq
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Won't be the first time it would be happening due to shameless Misbah.
Somebody get a hold of Wasim Khan and talk some sense into him!
Somebody get a hold of Wasim Khan and talk some sense into him!
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Relax we are still 2nd ranked with a positive NRR of 0.741
Things are not that bad since pakistan as a middle table team is still better than Srilanka and Bangladesh and on par with Windies.
But losing to Zim is really minnow level territory. Honestly Zim should have won the first ODI as well but they are minnow for a reason.
But losing to Zim is really minnow level territory. Honestly Zim should have won the first ODI as well but they are minnow for a reason.
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Yeh kuch zyada nahi ho raha? 
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Yeh kuch zyada nahi ho raha?
No, if Pakistan lose matches against Netherlands and Afghanistan too, then our direct qualification will be in jeopardy. Rest of our series in the super league are against Aus,Eng,NZ,SA and WI all top sides. Pakistan needs to be clinical against the minnows for direct qualification which doesn't seem like happening.
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It baffles me how he can mess up the simplest of tasks
Theres no planning strategy or any sense behind his decisions Honestly
Theres no planning strategy or any sense behind his decisions Honestly
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Zimbabwe deserved to win the series instead of these losers.
We are ranked 2nd, because we played against Zimbabwe, lol. There is nothing to relax about our performance under Misbah.
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Misbah has been poor in terms of selections.
Now thats aside, in international cricket you can loose to low rank team as well when you play poor cricket. Zimbabwe was much better team today. Even Eng lost a game to Ireland recently and number of such losses by top teams against lower ranked teams are there. Its part of the game.
Yes national team management needs to be looked into.
Now thats aside, in international cricket you can loose to low rank team as well when you play poor cricket. Zimbabwe was much better team today. Even Eng lost a game to Ireland recently and number of such losses by top teams against lower ranked teams are there. Its part of the game.
Yes national team management needs to be looked into.
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Sigh. Don't forget we almost made to the semis (we shouldn't have lost in such a pathetic manner agains West Indies).
Anyways, we will be ok, considering.
Unfortunately, ODI cricket has evolved beyond us. Teams like Australia, England or India have like 6 matchwinners in their respective XIs...
Only Babar and Shaheen are world class in our XI, other 9 players are either newbies or tried and tested failures.
Anyways, we will be ok, considering.
Unfortunately, ODI cricket has evolved beyond us. Teams like Australia, England or India have like 6 matchwinners in their respective XIs...
Only Babar and Shaheen are world class in our XI, other 9 players are either newbies or tried and tested failures.
Yes, there is a good chance, Pakistan might lose the series against Afghans.
Where the PAK - AFG series to be hosted? If PAK is the host, may be it can happen in PAK, but if AFGs are host, then PAK is not getting visa there. BD or UAE may be? It’ll be tough ask on BD or UAE wickets against three AFG spinners. Netherlands at home can surprise many teams - these three games should have been won by PAK and there is no excuse of dead rubber here.
I don't where the series against Afghans will be hosted, but if its in UAE or in Asia, it certainly won't be an easy series for Pakistan.
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Overreaction
Pakistan will win at least one series against the SENA nations and will win 7-8 out of their 9 games against WI/Afg/Net
They are going to finish around 4th-6th
Pakistan will win at least one series against the SENA nations and will win 7-8 out of their 9 games against WI/Afg/Net
They are going to finish around 4th-6th
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Its unfair to blame every loss on Misbah and not give him credit for any victory..he is after all a coach..the captain and players are to take more responsibility
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Ireland chased 329 to beat England in August this year.Cricket is a game of
chance.On a given day a low ranked team can beat a high ranked team.Zimbabwe has
beaten England,Australia,Pakistan,S Africa,N Zealand and India in WC
and bilateral matches.At on time Zimbabwe had several good players.
It is a low ranked team now but if they can find decent openers
it will be a very decent side.
chance.On a given day a low ranked team can beat a high ranked team.Zimbabwe has
beaten England,Australia,Pakistan,S Africa,N Zealand and India in WC
and bilateral matches.At on time Zimbabwe had several good players.
It is a low ranked team now but if they can find decent openers
it will be a very decent side.
Zimbabwe used to be good in the 90's, now they are a 14th ranked ODI team and we freaking lost to them, that too at home. The likes of Ireland, Afghanistan, etc. are much better than this Zimbabwe team.
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The BCCI will breathe easy if Pakistan don't play in 2023 and they don't have to be dealing with their visas and security.
Pakistan are seemingly making it easy for them.
Pakistan are seemingly making it easy for them.
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I will be happy if Pakistan don't qualify because I don't want Pakistan to play in India.
Pakistan should opt out and not travel to India.They players and staff
will under constant threat of violent attacks by extremists.Cricket is just a game
The safety and security comes first.
Pakistan should opt out and not travel to India.They players and staff
will under constant threat of violent attacks by extremists.Cricket is just a game
The safety and security comes first.
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This is a weak team and Misbah's weird selections make it worse.
Especially our bowling will give many a headache in the future. Shaheen and Shadab are probably our only consistent performers.
I guess we have to accept our new reality. We aren't what we used to be. Even our batting is much reliant on Hafeez after Babar Azam.
Especially our bowling will give many a headache in the future. Shaheen and Shadab are probably our only consistent performers.
I guess we have to accept our new reality. We aren't what we used to be. Even our batting is much reliant on Hafeez after Babar Azam.
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Yeh kuch zyada nahi ho raha?
Why am I not surprised, Indian fans want Misbah to continue as Coach.
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Why am I not surprised, Indian fans want Misbah to continue as Coach.
My post has nothing to do with Misbah
The OP is overreacting
Pakistan are easily the 6th best Odi side in the world and he sees them not finishing in top 8 just because of one bad result
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Yes play hafeez and malik. Misbab will do that dont worry and you can be happy.
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Well, let me explain to you guys how the issue started. It started when we appointed the defensive, loser mindset type of person like Misbah ul Haq as the coach and selector.
Before the series he actually mentioned that his mindset going into the series would be "no to lose", instead of, "go for the kill" or "win by a big margin".
That was the issue here. Instead of winning by a grand margin, in every game Pakistan were trying not to lose. It is the mentality and the mindset folks, not much with skills of the players. The same Imam was batting at a SR of 85+. Fakhar was scoring double century in ODI and the same Abid Ali was scoring centuries for fun. The same Rizwan was scoring centuries, and the same Wahab was hard to hit in death.
It looks like the whole team now has developed the same defensive mentality that we had from 2013-2015, and it is for everyone to see. Until this mindset changes, you can bring in Don Bradman and Viv Richards into the team and they will still struggle to win against Zimbabwe.
My proposal is: remove Misbah as coach, and get him far away from Pakistan cricket as possible.
Before the series he actually mentioned that his mindset going into the series would be "no to lose", instead of, "go for the kill" or "win by a big margin".
That was the issue here. Instead of winning by a grand margin, in every game Pakistan were trying not to lose. It is the mentality and the mindset folks, not much with skills of the players. The same Imam was batting at a SR of 85+. Fakhar was scoring double century in ODI and the same Abid Ali was scoring centuries for fun. The same Rizwan was scoring centuries, and the same Wahab was hard to hit in death.
It looks like the whole team now has developed the same defensive mentality that we had from 2013-2015, and it is for everyone to see. Until this mindset changes, you can bring in Don Bradman and Viv Richards into the team and they will still struggle to win against Zimbabwe.
My proposal is: remove Misbah as coach, and get him far away from Pakistan cricket as possible.
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PP logic, if we had won the series 3-0 people would have been making threads saying pakistan favorites for the 2023 world cup.
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also hope there isn’t a partnership between Indian pair keeping NRR in mind either, even though Misbah will be hoping that happens so all the outrage and focus is shiftedIt’s true for few other teams as well. I think, of the eight secure spots, India is host, AUS, NZ & Poms are there - so four gone. For next four spots, I’ll keep SAF in bottom half this time, but still they are much better than the remaining lot - they’ll crash Asian teams bar India mercilessly at home, WIN as well - they are almost certain to make it.
So, it’s a battle between PAK, BD, SRL, WIN & I’ll keep AFG also in the mix as they’ll play lots of those games in Asia. That’s 3 out of five and any of these bunch can surprise the top half on their day.
Therefore, PAK is not likely to miss out, but they’ll have to earn it for sure. I was looking at the fixture and host fir the 8 series each team is going to play for 240 points. I think the 8th team will need 80+ points, that’s 1/3rd of the games - PAK already has lost 10 precious points of those.
So, it’s a battle between PAK, BD, SRL, WIN & I’ll keep AFG also in the mix as they’ll play lots of those games in Asia. That’s 3 out of five and any of these bunch can surprise the top half on their day.
Therefore, PAK is not likely to miss out, but they’ll have to earn it for sure. I was looking at the fixture and host fir the 8 series each team is going to play for 240 points. I think the 8th team will need 80+ points, that’s 1/3rd of the games - PAK already has lost 10 precious points of those.
That’s true but if India beats NZ by 13 run or more or drag NZ to play more than 44.2 overs then Pak is safe to be in quarter final unless DRS is not messed up for Kohli or Sharma’s LBW.
80 points are not enough. I think to safely qualify you need to win at least half the games, which means 120 points.
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Pakistan will struggle to qualify under any coach.
Time after time, Pakistan cricket team shows everyone how average a team it is yet fans still believe that the team still has the chance of winning World Cups. Why do you keep that expectation? Just because we have won a couple of World Cups against all odds in the past doesn't mean it's gonna happen again. The previous World Cups were won because those teams had genuine world beaters. The current team doesn't have any.
Teams win when they have skillful, talented players on their roster. Pakistan doesn't possess a single match winner in its side. Yeah even Babar and Shaheen, though good players, aren't match winners. Babar will score pretty centuries but won't win you a match consistently like Kohli, Smith, Buttler, Warner does for their teams. And similarly Shaheen will give you a good bowling performance but cannot win you a match from a position of lets say the opposition requiring 50 runs with 6 wickets in hand. Both Babar and Shaheen require supporting acts from other players. And Pakistan doesn't possess great players.
The problem of expectations by fans stem from the situation where Pakistan team wins one odd match against the big boys and suddenly everyone starts believing that Pakistan is onto something. Pakistan beating New Zealand and England in the World Cup doesn't mean Pakistan is a superior team or not an average team. The quality of an international side is reflected from its series wins. How many ODI series wins have Pakistan had against England, Australia, South Africa, India and New Zealand, home or away, in the last 5 years. I would think 0.
Pakistan's level at the moment is SL, Bangladesh, WI and Afghanistan. That is the truth. Doesn't mean Pakistan can't get better, but seeing that all our ODI series wins are coming against WI, SL and Bangladesh should tell you that that is the level. Not one person here can 100% confidently say that if a tournament was to be played between Pakistan, SL, WI, Bangladesh, Afghanistan, Ireland and Zimbabwe, that Pakistan would win that tournament hands down. In fact many people would be afraid that Pakistan might not even end up in the top 3. Yet we dream of winning World Cups.
The road to redemption for Pakistan team is a long one. Until we can get high quality players from the domestic, no amount of coaching can get this team to win ODI series against the big boys, let alone a World Cup.
Time after time, Pakistan cricket team shows everyone how average a team it is yet fans still believe that the team still has the chance of winning World Cups. Why do you keep that expectation? Just because we have won a couple of World Cups against all odds in the past doesn't mean it's gonna happen again. The previous World Cups were won because those teams had genuine world beaters. The current team doesn't have any.
Teams win when they have skillful, talented players on their roster. Pakistan doesn't possess a single match winner in its side. Yeah even Babar and Shaheen, though good players, aren't match winners. Babar will score pretty centuries but won't win you a match consistently like Kohli, Smith, Buttler, Warner does for their teams. And similarly Shaheen will give you a good bowling performance but cannot win you a match from a position of lets say the opposition requiring 50 runs with 6 wickets in hand. Both Babar and Shaheen require supporting acts from other players. And Pakistan doesn't possess great players.
The problem of expectations by fans stem from the situation where Pakistan team wins one odd match against the big boys and suddenly everyone starts believing that Pakistan is onto something. Pakistan beating New Zealand and England in the World Cup doesn't mean Pakistan is a superior team or not an average team. The quality of an international side is reflected from its series wins. How many ODI series wins have Pakistan had against England, Australia, South Africa, India and New Zealand, home or away, in the last 5 years. I would think 0.
Pakistan's level at the moment is SL, Bangladesh, WI and Afghanistan. That is the truth. Doesn't mean Pakistan can't get better, but seeing that all our ODI series wins are coming against WI, SL and Bangladesh should tell you that that is the level. Not one person here can 100% confidently say that if a tournament was to be played between Pakistan, SL, WI, Bangladesh, Afghanistan, Ireland and Zimbabwe, that Pakistan would win that tournament hands down. In fact many people would be afraid that Pakistan might not even end up in the top 3. Yet we dream of winning World Cups.
The road to redemption for Pakistan team is a long one. Until we can get high quality players from the domestic, no amount of coaching can get this team to win ODI series against the big boys, let alone a World Cup.
I actually have done the maths - I’ll share sometimes later. If it were 16 teams and each playing each other’s, 50% point would have been cut-off. But, here 8 out of 14, means the equilibrium point will be somewhere in between 35-40% - that’s around 100 points. But then, it’s a selective 8 series and top half are playing more among themselves- they’ll have a balanced W/L among themselves. Same can be said about bottom half - so, 80 should be touch & go, hence I have put 80+
You’ll see a pattern - top 4 teams are clubbed together (in terms of point), then a gap and another club of next 3-4 teams. 80 should be enough and there could be a tiebreaker needed for the last spot. For PAK/BD the banana skins are those three x 2 games in Netherlands, Ireland & against ZIM - absolute priceless 60 points - PAK already have lost 10 & we haven’t even started. Actually, SRL might be able to n better position in terms of fixture.
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Since January 2006, Pakistan has only 3 ODI series wins against the top sides:
New Zealand (away) 2011
India (away) 2013
South Africa (away) 2013
The last time we won a home series against a top team was against England in 2005.
So we have only won 3 ODI series against the top sides in the last 14 years and haven’t won at home in 15 years.
This embarrassing track-record sums up the quality of our players and where we stand as a team. This is absolutely pathetic and should put any self-respecting fan to shame.
And yet, you will have Pakistani fans claim that we are struggling because we are not playing in the UAE and because Misbah did this and that.
Our fans are so delusional it is unbelievable.
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Interesting how they all were away in tough conditions and all within a short period of 2 years. I guess that's when our spin attack was the best in the world with the chuckers + Afridi.
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We caught India at the right time. If the series was scheduled a few months earlier or later we would have been smashed.
The other two wins were quite impressive.
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Among all cricket teams, perhaps all sporting teams in the world, Pakistan cricket has the greatest gap between the expectations of the fans and the actual capability of the team.
The real problem is not with the team but with the expectations of the fans.
The real problem is not with the team but with the expectations of the fans.
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I think Pakistan are a slightly better ODI side than they were a few years ago and they have the potential to improve further.
But it is true that we are still far behind the top teams.
In the 3rd ODI against ZIM, we can talk about which bowlers should have played and which shouldn't have, but regardless, we should have been able to chase 279 against a 14th ranked side when you consider that Pakistan basically played their strongest batting lineup, baring Haris Sohail-who you can't trust with fitness.
We need to be patient with Babar in the captaincy role, otherwise, we will likely have another specialist captain. However, the right coach is needed to help Babar and the team.
Misbah has shown that he is possibly even worse as a coach than a selector.
But it is true that we are still far behind the top teams.
In the 3rd ODI against ZIM, we can talk about which bowlers should have played and which shouldn't have, but regardless, we should have been able to chase 279 against a 14th ranked side when you consider that Pakistan basically played their strongest batting lineup, baring Haris Sohail-who you can't trust with fitness.
We need to be patient with Babar in the captaincy role, otherwise, we will likely have another specialist captain. However, the right coach is needed to help Babar and the team.
Misbah has shown that he is possibly even worse as a coach than a selector.
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Again, why are you discounting Sri Lanka? They were a top Odi side from 2011-15 were ranked no.2 in 2014. Actually Sri Lanka has a better W/L ratio in ODI cricket than New Zealand post millennium in the period you have mentioned. So definitely a top side and Pakistan have have two series wins against them (2011, 2013). Its only post 2015 WC that Sri Lanka declined significantly when Sanga, Jaya and Dilshan retired.
Did Pakistan struggle to qualify for the last world cup under Mickey? In fact in 2016 he got the team ranked no.9 in ODI's and took it no.5 in 2018. That is why we qualified for the world cup in first place otherwise we would have played qualifiers like West Indies had to. There is no doubt that since Misbah has come Pakistan's LOI fortunes have plummeted. He took us from no.1 in T20's to no.4 now by losing to Sri Lanka C. Also losing to Zimbabwe at home when we whitewashed them 5-0 away in 2018 under Mickey.
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Running away from my posts about the importance of constructive discussion vs complaining, only to complain. You’re a smart guy which makes me all the sadder.
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Not sure about that. India v Pakistan is the main event if the world Cup. Also Pakistan out means our 1 guaranteed win at a World Cup is gone. BCCI should go out of their way to ensure Pakistan qualifies
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Make sure they're in the semi-final then. That's where we've usually choked in recent years.
Keep it in Mohali just for the kicks.
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We won CT 17 against all the odds as well, so we're all given hope once again after long periods of misery. Even a mediocre Pakistan side conjured up a huge surprise.
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I think other teams are catching us at the right time with Misbah around stinking up the place for the best part of a decade.
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We are so bad there is never a wrong time to play us.
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