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I follow him - he is very good. Always talks sense in a language that our awaam understands. People like him are needed to guide our emotional awaam.
 
I love his typical Karachi style way of speaking. [MENTION=136079]ahmedwaqas92[/MENTION]
 
Syed1 said:
I love his typical Karachi style way of speaking. [MENTION=136079]ahmedwaqas92[/MENTION]
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“Lahore ne tu sattar saal se humain dhokay diye hway hain. Biryani ke naam pe pulao khilaye jarahay hain.” :)))
 
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:ashwin
 
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What he says is true but incomplete. War is indeed sold to the citizens of the two countries. The part he ignores is naming the sellers explicitly.

The top 100 generals of one country are worth about $40 million each, while the top 100 generals of the other country are worth less than $2 million each.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/2008/01/the-military-millionaires-who-control-pakistan-inc/

If you still can't figure out who is gaining from the war hysteria between the two countries, there is no hope for any improvement of your country.
 
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Napa said:
What he says is true but incomplete. War is indeed sold to the citizens of the two countries. The part he ignores is naming the sellers explicitly.

The top 100 generals of one country are worth about $40 million each, while the top 100 generals of the other country are worth less than $2 million each.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/2008/01/the-military-millionaires-who-control-pakistan-inc/

If you still can't figure out who is gaining from the war hysteria between the two countries, there is no hope for any improvement of your country.
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Your article is more than 10 years old, anything recent?
 
Adijazz1706 said:
Your article is more than 10 years old, anything recent?
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Why would you expect any decrease in the military's power and greed in the last 10 years?

This is not a topic which the media will keep publishing about when nothing has changed. Anyway, here are a couple more recent articles.

https://www.euromoney.com/article/b17jscxn0zgtln/pakistan-a-quiet-sort-of-military-might

https://www.economist.com/leaders/2...for-the-poverty-of-the-countrys-208m-citizens

Also, as NYT writes "The army is Pakistan’s most powerful institution, but India’s military is much weaker and could not agree to a peace deal without the civilian government’s approval", "The new Pakistani government led by Prime Minister Imran Khan has been sending strong signals in favor of talks, though it is the military that ultimately controls foreign and defense policy", and "India sees Mr. Khan’s outreach as sanctioned by the military and believes he will clearly present General Bajwa’s demands and red lines".

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/04/world/asia/pakistan-india-talks.html

It is an illusion that the civilian government elected by the Pakistani people has the real power in the country.
 
I think American, British and France along with Russia and China benefit from all the war hysteria.
 
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Latest :91:
 
After OP shared the first video, I've binge watched so many of his videos. He has lots of knowledge but adds a bit of comedy in which makes it entertaining to watch.
 
Been watching him since he started his vlogs on youtube few years ago. In touch with this guy for the last 1 year. Very intelligent person and always talks sense. Infact, I sometimes see him as my mirror, because both of us have exactly the same opinion and views of life.
 
Napa said:
What he says is true but incomplete. War is indeed sold to the citizens of the two countries. The part he ignores is naming the sellers explicitly.

The top 100 generals of one country are worth about $40 million each, while the top 100 generals of the other country are worth less than $2 million each.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/2008/01/the-military-millionaires-who-control-pakistan-inc/

If you still can't figure out who is gaining from the war hysteria between the two countries, there is no hope for any improvement of your country.
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All of that may be true, maybe it is false.

However, who do you think is the aggressor in this current situation?
 
This guy is basically Karachi personified in every sense of the word. Kafi Shugal hay Larka [MENTION=138254]Syed1[/MENTION]
 
Napa said:
What he says is true but incomplete. War is indeed sold to the citizens of the two countries. The part he ignores is naming the sellers explicitly.

The top 100 generals of one country are worth about $40 million each, while the top 100 generals of the other country are worth less than $2 million each.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/2008/01/the-military-millionaires-who-control-pakistan-inc/

If you still can't figure out who is gaining from the war hysteria between the two countries, there is no hope for any improvement of your country.
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I am not sure how posting a 10 year old article about how Army runs various businesses around the country for its own benefit shows they are looking to go to war against India? Your premise would have been more believable if the article had claimed that the top brass stands to gain monetarily from going to war with India which is not the case.

Yes keeping the masses brain washed into thinking India is their enemy in order to keep its power may be an objective of Pak army but the buck stops there. Engaging in a full scale war would not be in the interest of an institution that wants to run various businesses around the country for profit.

Hopefully you can now see the fallacy in your logic.

It is the Indian government that currently believes it can use war as a tool to build internal support and use it to their advantage for winning the next elections.
 
barah_admi said:
All of that may be true, maybe it is false.

However, who do you think is the aggressor in this current situation?
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There is no "current situation". The killings in Kashmir from both sides escalated about 30 years ago. After the Pulwama attack, India was going to respond in some manner.

Yes, Modi gains electorally from the current ratcheting up of low-level war that has been going on. But if he did not respond in some fashion to the deaths from the Pulwama attack, he would not be doing his job.

My point was that this low-level war will not end as long as the Pakistani military continues to work for domestic dominance by keeping the pot boiling. It will keep poking India and every once in a while India will keep retaliating.

A 4-star US Army general makes about $180,000 a year. About 80% of generals head to the private sector after retirement. So his net wealth is likely about $10 million, which seems like a fair estimate from my observations living in the US. Their presence in the private sector has corrupted the US political system, which now engages in too many wars and spends too much on war (which they would like to call "defense" spending).

http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Artic...tirees-From-4-star-General-to-7-Figure-Income

However, the nominal per cap gdp of the US is about 35 times that of Pakistan. So the estimate of $40 million for a Pakistani general and $10 million for a US general is pretty stark, and is reflective of how much the Pakistani military has been able to corrupt the economic system.

Generals with wealth 4 times more, while the average citizen earns 1/35? It is quite a stunning fact.
 
fawad_wellwisher said:
I am not sure how posting a 10 year old article about how Army runs various businesses around the country for its own benefit shows they are looking to go to war against India?
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See post #11.

Your premise would have been more believable if the article had claimed that the top brass stands to gain monetarily from going to war with India which is not the case.
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If the perception of the Pakistani public is that they "won" this latest round (whether it is true or not), the prestige of the military will soar and they will gain in the long term. You are being very shortsighted if you believe otherwise.

Yes keeping the masses brain washed into thinking India is their enemy in order to keep its power may be an objective of Pak army but the buck stops there. Engaging in a full scale war would not be in the interest of an institution that wants to run various businesses around the country for profit.
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Obviously the best outcome would be a low level war which doesn't damage the economy, but the best-laid plans of mice and men often go awry.

The military's strategy may not be sustainable in the long term as the Pakistani economy keeps falling behind the Indian economy. The military realizes it to some extent, but its "balancing act" is likely to fail in the longer term. The options for the military are: get out of the economy OR watch as it keeps falling behind India. There is no possible middle ground between these two options.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/04/world/asia/pakistan-india-talks.html

Hopefully you can now see the fallacy in your logic.
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No, you haven't convinced me that there is any fallacy.

It is the Indian government that currently believes it can use war as a tool to build internal support and use it to their advantage for winning the next elections.
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Probably true in the current circumstances. However if they did not respond to Pulwama, then the perception would have been they were not protecting the country. Also, the reason the BJP won in 2014 was the hope they would improve the economic situation.
 
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ahmedwaqas92 said:
This guy is basically Karachi personified in every sense of the word. Kafi Shugal hay Larka [MENTION=138254]Syed1[/MENTION]
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Used to like him but then for reasons that I won't write, kinda lost all respect for him.
 
Blistering Barnacle said:
Napa,

It is India that needs to spend some time on introspection.

Here's an article to help you understand, by an Indian:

https://www.huffingtonpost.in/entry...kashmir-and-india_in_5c78a574e4b0de0c3fbf6b50
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I really don't want to go through the pain of reading something written by Arundhati Roy (or anything in Huffington Post for that matter). I only read the first sentence "Kashmir has been internationalized" which is already enough stupidity. If you tell me what her argument is, then I can respond.

My basic point is that India-Pakistan low-level war, which every now and again gets hotter is kept alive by the Pakistani military as without this war it loses the country. As someone famously remarked "Other countries have Armies, Pakistani Army has a country". If you can tell me what is wrong with this analysis (based on what Roy wrote or otherwise) I can debate.
 
Napa said:
There is no "current situation". The killings in Kashmir from both sides escalated about 30 years ago. After the Pulwama attack, India was going to respond in some manner.
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Just going to stop you there and ask you to provide evidence that Pakistan, and by that, I mean its government and/or military/intelligence services, was responsible for the Pulwama attack.

Can you do so?
 
barah_admi said:
Just going to stop you there and ask you to provide evidence that Pakistan, and by that, I mean its government and/or military/intelligence services, was responsible for the Pulwama attack.

Can you do so?
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Well it is all a work of fiction!
So far, there has been no evidence on the following:
1) Pulwama attack was carried from Pakistan or Pakistan was responsible for it
2) 300-350 or any terrorist killed from the payload/air strikes in Jabba.
3) India shot down Pakistani F-16
4) Indian pilot was tortured and forced to record all what he said in the videos.
 
barah_admi said:
Just going to stop you there and ask you to provide evidence that Pakistan, and by that, I mean its government and/or military/intelligence services, was responsible for the Pulwama attack.

Can you do so?
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Do you believe that those attacking Indian forces in Kashmir do not receive arms and training from groups (governmental and non-governmental) based in Pakistan?

Do note that no rebel movement anywhere else in the world has been capable of the kind of sustained violence that we see in Kashmir without supplies from a neighboring country.
 
Adijazz1706 said:
Everyone and their dog has metoo allegations, were they proved?
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What you say is totally true.

However my reasons to believe in this are more personal and come from someone who didn't even raise the flag but is a close friend of mine.

No one else has to dislike him for that and hence I didn't want to really talk about it.
 
Napa said:
Do you believe that those attacking Indian forces in Kashmir do not receive arms and training from groups (governmental and non-governmental) based in Pakistan?

Do note that no rebel movement anywhere else in the world has been capable of the kind of sustained violence that we see in Kashmir without supplies from a neighboring country.
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Can you actually answer the question you asked?

If you are unable to do so than just say there is no evidence.
 
barah_admi said:
Can you actually answer the question you asked?

If you are unable to do so than just say there is no evidence.
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Obviously, I do not have that sort detailed knowledge about this specific attack, however JeM did immediately claim responsibility. As BBC news said about the Pulwama attack "The involvement of JeM in the car bombing directly links Pakistan to the attack."

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-47250994

Details about one specific attack are not relevant, organizations in Pakistan have sustained the Kashmiri terrorists over the decades.
 
Napa said:
Obviously, I do not have that sort detailed knowledge about this specific attack, however JeM did immediately claim responsibility. As BBC news said about the Pulwama attack "The involvement of JeM in the car bombing directly links Pakistan to the attack."

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-47250994

Details about one specific attack are not relevant, organizations in Pakistan have sustained the Kashmiri Freedom Fighters over the decades.
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Fixed it for you :P.
Kashmiri's will always get moral, financial and material support from People in Pakistan. I believe the Gov of Pakistan (Pak Army) officially would be hard pressed to do mass infiltrations ala 1990s.

Did you know, IRA had a substantial donor base in Boston, MA. Even with Britain being the closest US ally and IRA designated a terrorist state, US couldn't do anything about Irish collecting funds from the Irish diapora in New England area.


BTW, this is the first post in a long time where you have railed against the Pak Military commercial interests and the 40 billionair generals ... :P
 
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cric_man said:
Fixed it for you :P.
Kashmiri's will always get moral, financial and material support from People in Pakistan. I believe the Gov of Pakistan (Pak Army) officially would be hard pressed to do mass infiltrations ala 1990s.

Did you know, IRA had a substantial donor base in Boston, MA. Even with Britain being the closest US ally and IRA designated a terrorist state, US couldn't do anything about Irish collecting funds from the Irish diapora in New England area.

<b>BTW, this is the first post in a long time where you have railed against the Pak Military commercial interests and the 40 billionair generals ... :P</b>
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Believe it or not, I do get tired of repeating myself. The sun will still rise in the East, even if I don't I say it again :)
 
Napa said:
Obviously, I do not have that sort detailed knowledge about this specific attack, however JeM did immediately claim responsibility. As BBC news said about the Pulwama attack "The involvement of JeM in the car bombing directly links Pakistan to the attack."

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-47250994

Details about one specific attack are not relevant, organizations in Pakistan have sustained the Kashmiri terrorists over the decades.
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The report does not contain any evidence that the attack had Pakistani involvement. A group claiming an attack, or for that matter, any criminal claiming to have carried out any crime is not enough. Based on the legality of any nation and of international law, there has to be due process and an investigation.

So I am now asking for the third time, what is your evidence or the evidence that the Indian government has shared with its people that Pakistan was involved in the Pulwama attack?
 
barah_admi said:
The report does not contain any evidence that the attack had Pakistani involvement. A group claiming an attack, or for that matter, any criminal claiming to have carried out any crime is not enough. Based on the legality of any nation and of international law, there has to be due process and an investigation.

So I am now asking for the third time, what is your evidence or the evidence that the Indian government has shared with its people that Pakistan was involved in the Pulwama attack?
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I thought I had already replied to your question when I wrote "Obviously, I do not have that sort detailed knowledge about this specific attack".
 
Napa said:
I thought I had already replied to your question when I wrote "Obviously, I do not have that sort detailed knowledge about this specific attack".
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So, if you do not have that information, why have you made the claim that Pakistan was behind the Pulwama attack?
 
barah_admi said:
So, if you do not have that information, why have you made the claim that Pakistan was behind the Pulwama attack?
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I did not say Pakistan was behind the Pulwama attack. I said those attacking Indian forces (not Pulwama specifically) have been receiving training and arms in Pakistan for decades. I also said India had to respond to Pulwama if it wants to provide a deterrent for such attacks in the future.
 
Napa said:
I did not say Pakistan was behind the Pulwama attack. I said those attacking Indian forces (not Pulwama specifically) have been receiving training and arms in Pakistan for decades. I also said India had to respond to Pulwama if it wants to provide a deterrent for such attacks in the future.
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OK so Pakistan is not behind the attack.

Now do you have information on how the young man who drove the vehicle filled with explosives, born and bred in Indian occupied Kashmir was trained, or received explosives from Pakistan? Or how he firts met with members of the JeM ?

All very important information in an objective investigation.
 
Napa said:
I did not say Pakistan was behind the Pulwama attack. I said those attacking Indian forces (not Pulwama specifically) have been receiving training and arms in Pakistan for decades. I also said India had to respond to Pulwama if it wants to provide a deterrent for such attacks in the future.
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Maybe 15 years back. Not in the past 10 years. So again, other than a tweet from somebody claiming JeM was behind this particular attack, there is no evidence of Pak (state/non state) involvement in the Pulwama attack. Yet India almost went to war with the state of Pakistan.
 
barah_admi said:
OK so Pakistan is not behind the attack.

Now do you have information on how the young man who drove the vehicle filled with explosives, born and bred in Indian occupied Kashmir was trained, or received explosives from Pakistan? Or how he firts met with members of the JeM ?

All very important information in an objective investigation.
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cric_man said:
Maybe 15 years back. Not in the past 10 years. So again, other than a tweet from somebody claiming JeM was behind this particular attack, there is no evidence of Pak (state/non state) involvement in the Pulwama attack. Yet India almost went to war with the state of Pakistan.
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The sort of arms they have (assault weapons similar to AK47s) are not the ones you can procure locally. The Maoists in India also fight the security services, but their arms are much less sophisticated and locally procured.

It is widely accepted that Dar was part of JeM, which is based in Pakistan. I do not know why you guys want to deny something that is widely accepted.

"Handlers from the Jaish-e-Muhammad, the Pakistani terrorist group behind the attack, exploited the young man raised in a pitiless war." - NYT, https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/02/opinion/sunday/kashmir-india-pakistan.html? (this article is written by a Kashmiri).

"India frequently asks its neighbour to extradite Mr Azhar - reportedly in the eastern Pakistani province of Punjab - but Pakistan refuses, saying there is a lack of proof against him." - BBC, https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-47249133

etc.
 
Napa said:
The sort of arms they have (assault weapons similar to AK47s) are not the ones you can procure locally. The Maoists in India also fight the security services, but their arms are much less sophisticated and locally procured.

It is widely accepted that Dar was part of JeM, which is based in Pakistan. I do not know why you guys want to deny something that is widely accepted.

"Handlers from the Jaish-e-Muhammad, the Pakistani terrorist group behind the attack, exploited the young man raised in a pitiless war." - NYT, https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/02/opinion/sunday/kashmir-india-pakistan.html? (this article is written by a Kashmiri).

"India frequently asks its neighbour to extradite Mr Azhar - reportedly in the eastern Pakistani province of Punjab - but Pakistan refuses, saying there is a lack of proof against him." - BBC, https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-47249133

etc.
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First you state that "I did not say Pakistan was behind the Pulwama attack", yet you continue to quote newspaper articles that state otherwise. D you understand that newspaper articles are not pieces of evidence? If an article is an investigative look into an issue, then it must also, by its very nature provide evidence of what has been found?

Quoting the BBC and the NYT does not mean anything in this context.

So after almost two days of discussions, you have gone back on what you original said, then tried to say it again, all the time refusing to provide any evidence on what you say is the truth.

So I wil ask you for the final time, before I report your posts to the admins for spreading of propaganda, if you can provide evidence, not newspaper articles, of Pakistan's involvement in the pulwama attacks?
 
barah_admi said:
First you state that "I did not say Pakistan was behind the Pulwama attack", yet you continue to quote newspaper articles that state otherwise. D you understand that newspaper articles are not pieces of evidence? If an article is an investigative look into an issue, then it must also, by its very nature provide evidence of what has been found?

Quoting the BBC and the NYT does not mean anything in this context.

So after almost two days of discussions, you have gone back on what you original said, then tried to say it again, all the time refusing to provide any evidence on what you say is the truth.

So I wil ask you for the final time, before I report your posts to the admins for spreading of propaganda, if you can provide evidence, not newspaper articles, of Pakistan's involvement in the pulwama attacks?
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At this point I think you are being deliberately thick. These facts are undeniable. 40+ Indian soldiers died in Pulwama from a Kashmiri terrorist attack. These attackers have received arms and training from organizations based in Pakistan for decades. Whether India has direct proof about the links of this particular attack is only important to India to the extent it chooses to believe it is important.

You are welcome to report my posts to admins. As far as I know, I do not get any remuneration from posting here. Possibly the quality of this forum will improve if I leave. I certainly will have more time for important work :)
 
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