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Pakistani delegation’s secret visit to Israel, claims Israeli newspaper

Israeli newspaper Israel Hayom has claimed that a Pakistani delegation secretly visited Israel.

According to the report, the 10-member delegation — comprising eight men and two women — arrived in Tel Aviv last Monday.

The group reportedly included journalists, intellectuals, and influencers who visited various locations in Israel to gather information.

While further details of the visit remain undisclosed, the report suggests that the delegation assessed Israel’s current political and social landscape.

The visit could signal a potential shift in Pakistan-Israel relations, though the two countries do not have formal diplomatic ties.


 
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Israeli newspaper Israel Hayom has claimed that a Pakistani delegation secretly visited Israel.

According to the report, the 10-member delegation — comprising eight men and two women — arrived in Tel Aviv last Monday.

The group reportedly included journalists, intellectuals, and influencers who visited various locations in Israel to gather information.

While further details of the visit remain undisclosed, the report suggests that the delegation assessed Israel’s current political and social landscape.

The visit could signal a potential shift in Pakistan-Israel relations, though the two countries do not have formal diplomatic ties.


These immoral scum will anything to stay in power. Where is @emranabbas and his zionist conspiracies. needs to explain why they are visiting Israel when they are blowing our own brethren to bits with their evil.
 
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Pakistani journalists visit Israel, find unexpected connection, warmth​

Aware of the risks she was taking by making the trip to Israel from Pakistan, Sabin Agha told The Media Line that discourse about the Jewish State within her home country revolves only around the conflict rather than the culture and the people.

“The only information that I had about Israel was in the context of war with Palestine, the war with Hamas, a conflict, an armed conflict that is going on,” the investigative journalist and documentary filmmaker told The Media Line.

Despite the general pro-Palestinian sentiment in Pakistan, state repression has prevented mass anti-Israel protests from breaking out, Agha said. “I am aware of that information as well that it was deliberately stopped from taking place the anti-Israel high-profile or large-entry Israel rallies in Pakistan.”

Even before traveling to Israel, she had the sense that Israelis weren’t as different from Pakistanis as they were made out to be. “I had a pretty good idea that, you know, the Israeli people are just like us, just like normal human beings.

It's a country which has a thousand-year-old history. It has civilization, it has culture, it has a religion,” she said. “And so do I. So do we. So what makes them so different?”

Relations between Israel and Pakistan have long been fraught with tension, shaped by Pakistan’s staunch support for the Palestinian cause and its refusal to recognize Israel as a state.

Despite occasional backchannel contacts, official ties remain nonexistent, and any suggestion of engagement with Israel is often met with political and public backlash in Pakistan.

Deep-seated mistrust, historical grievances, and regional alliances further complicate any potential rapprochement, keeping diplomatic relations at a standstill.

Amid these tensions, a delegation of Pakistani civil society leaders traveled to Israel last week as part of a program meant to promote tolerance in the Arab and Muslim world through Holocaust education.

The visit was organized by Sharaka, a nonprofit dedicated to promoting dialogue and coexistence in the Middle East, and was supported by the Conference on Jewish Material Claims Against Germany.

Details of the trip

The 11 Pakistani participants toured the Holocaust museum, visited sites of the October 7, 2023, massacres, and met with Israeli counterparts, highlighting the potential of person-to-person diplomacy.

Israelis, on the other hand, are not Islamophobic, they said. They noted that his multifaceted reporting on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict has resulted in two separate threats.

“I wanted to find out what Israel has done to Pakistan. And I found out completely the opposite of it,” Agha said. “Whenever we would even go to a restaurant or meet people on the streets, if we mentioned, I'd be like—what if I mentioned Pakistan? I'm from Pakistan, how are they going to react? And there was the opulence of, you know, smiles and warm welcome, that, oh, you're from Pakistan, welcome to Israel. So it was completely the opposite.”

Journalist S., who wished to remain anonymous, highlighted the importance of changing Pakistan’s education system in order to tamp down extremism among the population. S. has covered the kidnapping and murder of Jewish American journalist Daniel Pearl at the alleged hands of a British Pakistani terrorist.

While bemoaning US President Donald Trump’s decision to pause foreign aid to Pakistan, the journalist noted that foreign aid has been used to fund extremist seminaries. “Seminaries are out of control, and states just can't regulate them,” S. said.

The Pakistani government is actually interested in improving ties with Israel and the Jewish people, journalist B., who also wished to remain anonymous, told The Media Line.

“But they don't have the courage now because the religious fundamentalists are too much in power, and they dictate their terms most of the time,” they explained.

Agha pointed to Israel's technological progress as a particular source of inspiration for Pakistan. “These are the areas, technology and business, which Pakistan and Israel must collaborate with each other,” B. said. “And Pakistan can learn a lot from Israel regarding these sectors and benefit from each other.”

Agha said Israel must contact Pakistan to improve relations between the two countries. “You know, maybe with a roadmap. And also, we see in the Muslim world what the state line in Pakistan has been like in the past. The track record is that we always look for our politics and others in trade and business towards Saudi Arabia.”

“And so Saudi Arabia is like our holy land for us because of the Muslim country. So if the Muslim countries take a positive track towards Israel, I think then Pakistan would have a bit of opportunity,” she explained. “It will take this opportunity and they will feel at ease to connect with Israel.”

An anonymous Pakistani news producer, B. added that normalization between Israel and Saudi Arabia would also allow Pakistan to soften its view of Israel. “If the Muslim countries take a positive track towards Israel, I think then Pakistan would have a bit of an opportunity,” B. said. “It will take this opportunity and they will feel at ease to connect with Israel.”

Many of the Pakistani participants described a sense of identification with Israelis due to the common threat of terror. B., put it simply: in Pakistan and in Israel, “the pain and the grief are the same.”

“I was not able to define whether it's Israel or it's Pakistan,” B. told The Media Line. “The pain was the same.”

B. expressed admiration for Israelis’ ability to grow from their pain, noting that Pakistanis tend to have a much longer period of mourning. “Mourning is good. You are sad, it's good,” B. said.

“But you need to learn. You need to move fast. You need to move on.”

The participants described a Pakistani society that is much more sympathetic to the Palestinian cause than the Israeli cause. B. summed up the reason for that dynamic: “It's because of the same religion,” she said. “It's because they are Muslims.”

S. had an even harsher diagnosis of Pakistani society. “We are an antisemitic nation,” the journalist told The Media Line plainly, adding that the sentiment is more profound than mere opposition to the state of Israel.

“The state has peddled this narrative for a long time, and seminaries are preaching it day in and day out,” S. said. Even in the supposedly cosmopolitan city of Karachi, they said, the main street has been painted with American and Israeli flags so that those pedestrians trample on them.

“The culture of Israel is one of the universal human themes,” Agha noted. “The sufferings of the citizens— the common people who had nothing to do with the armed conflict—like the female hostage that we met at the near Oz area. She's a mother. She lost her husband,” she explained. “Children were like in trauma. She was in trauma for 54 days. The same goes for the story of Shiri Babas and her family. She was killed, and her nine-month-old and four-month-old children were killed. It's just the husband that was released.”

“So, these are universal human themes, like, you know, to connect people with people,” she continued. “This is what we, as filmmakers, do. So, I will try my level best to show that suffering. To also, and also show the culture of, I'll be more interested in showing the culture of Israel, which is like very welcoming, very warm.”

 
I find it funny that Pakistan still doesn't recognise the state of Israel 70 years on. How antisemitic must a country's population have to be for this to happen ?
 
I find it funny that Pakistan still doesn't recognise the state of Israel 70 years on. How antisemitic must a country's population have to be for this to happen
Two faced hypocrisy at it best. They colluded and worked very closely during the soviet invasion of Afghanistan
 
Lol at Indiana rejoicing this. Considering how Pakistani corrupt army Generals are there to serve American interest, and considering what they did to Imran Khan and Pakistani awam, this visit would hardly be a surprise. General stance of nation against that genocidal aparthied state wouldn't change. Just like how India has facists ruling, Pakistan has its share as well
 
I find it funny that Pakistan still doesn't recognise the state of Israel 70 years on. How antisemitic must a country's population have to be for this to happen ?
Why should we recognize a genocidal state which steals land and kills indigenous? Just because Indian ancestors loved their European colonziers and were and are their loyal servants, doesn't mean other countures have to accept European colonization and genocide and land theft. Palestinains are semite, not the Europeans who came begging there for refuge from Germans
 
Lol at Indiana rejoicing this. Considering how Pakistani corrupt army Generals are there to serve American interest, and considering what they did to Imran Khan and Pakistani awam, this visit would hardly be a surprise. General stance of nation against that genocidal aparthied state wouldn't change. Just like how India has facists ruling, Pakistan has its share as well
What is your preferred cheese to go with that Whine? :inti
 
Why should we recognize a genocidal state which steals land and kills indigenous? Just because Indian ancestors loved their European colonziers and were and are their loyal servants, doesn't mean other countures have to accept European colonization and genocide and land theft. Palestinains are semite, not the Europeans who came begging there for refuge from Germans

The hatred for yahoodis in Pakistan is well known.

If you don't like colonization, you should act on this principle ..hold a referendum in Baluchistan and give them their freedom.
 
Why should we recognize a genocidal state which steals land and kills indigenous? Just because Indian ancestors loved their European colonziers and were and are their loyal servants, doesn't mean other countures have to accept European colonization and genocide and land theft. Palestinains are semite, not the Europeans who came begging there for refuge from Germans
>>>I thank his majesty, the King, on behalf of the Pakistan Constituent Assembly and myself for his wishes and message. I know great responsibilities lie ahead and I naturally reciprocate his sentiment and we greatly appreciate his assurance of sympathy and support and I hope that you will please communicate to his majesty our assurance of goodwill and friendship for the British nation and the crown head of the British government. I thank your excellency for your expressions and good wishes for the future of Pakistan.<<<

his excellency his majesty his excellency

LMAO
 
The hatred for yahoodis in Pakistan is well known.

If you don't like colonization, you should act on this principle ..hold a referendum in Baluchistan and give them their freedom.
Just generalising and no replies to basic facts I shared. Israel has been bombing and stealing land of Palestinians, not sure why you want us to support that. Another expired antisemitism card which gladly has generally gone in the trash bin where it belongs, as many good Jews speak against the facist Nazi state of Israel. Guess you guys need to keep up with world events more instead of feeding off of your islamophobia
 
Just generalising and no replies to basic facts I shared. Israel has been bombing and stealing land of Palestinians, not sure why you want us to support that. Another expired antisemitism card which gladly has generally gone in the trash bin where it belongs, as many good Jews speak against the facist Nazi state of Israel. Guess you guys need to keep up with world events more instead of feeding off of your islamophobia

Well .. like I said, your country has engaged in far worse behaviour in Balochistan. So nobody's falling for this fake concern you have for Palestinians. Antisemitism plays a big part in this lack of recognition of the state of Israel. Not to mention Pak doesn't want to disappoint its OIC peers as well.

 
Lol at Indiana rejoicing this. Considering how Pakistani corrupt army Generals are there to serve American interest, and considering what they did to Imran Khan and Pakistani awam, this visit would hardly be a surprise. General stance of nation against that genocidal aparthied state wouldn't change. Just like how India has facists ruling, Pakistan has its share as well
Any move towards peace between people should be welcomed at base value.
Are you against peace? Do you like killings of innocents?
 
If Pakistan can get a deal where Israel pays off our debt in return for our recognition, i have no issue.

Only issue would be that the sitting pm of Pakistan would get hated and also might get killed aswell. But its still worth it.
 
Any move towards peace between people should be welcomed at base value.
Are you against peace? Do you like killings of innocents?
First of all, no Pakistanis are being killed.
Second, Pakistan recognizing or not recognizing doesnt really mean peace for Palestinians.

So your argument is flawed
 
Sorry, for assuming that Pakistan might have some influence in the Islamic world. :hamster:
I will keep this in mind, Major 🧦
War has been going on for a long time over there.

Even if Saudi A recoginizes Israel, doesnt mean **** for Palestine.

If you think recognition is about peace over there, than you have no knowledge of the issue.
 
War has been going on for a long time over there.

Even if Saudi A recoginizes Israel, doesnt mean **** for Palestine.

If you think recognition is about peace over there, than you have no knowledge of the issue.
Ek din main hi centuries old disputes resolve ho jaayenge. 🤷‍♂️ Baat nahi karenge toh resolution kaise hoga. Communcation is better than bullets.
Oct 7 was Hamas strike to prevent recognition of Israel by Saudis and others. and it worked brilliantly.
 
If Pakistan can get a deal where Israel pays off our debt in return for our recognition, i have no issue.

Only issue would be that the sitting pm of Pakistan would get hated and also might get killed aswell. But its still worth it.
Jews don't pay off people debts
 
Ek din main hi centuries old disputes resolve ho jaayenge. 🤷‍♂️ Baat nahi karenge toh resolution kaise hoga. Communcation is better than bullets.
Oct 7 was Hamas strike to prevent recognition of Israel by Saudis and others. and it worked brilliantly.
The issue cant be resolved. ANyone who thinks it could is really naive and doenst understand what the main issue is.

Pakistan or Saudis recognizing them means nothing to peace.
 
You need to stop hijacking every thread. You look like a retard.
You are the one who is derailing the thread with your troll intent. My replies were perfectly on topic, till you got triggered just by my presence in the thread.
Do you want to enquire about the latest breast tax rate? :p
 
Well, better late than never. Israel is not going anywhere. Just accept the reality and move on.

Supporting Hamas will yield nothing.
 
Well, better late than never. Israel is not going anywhere. Just accept the reality and move on.

Supporting Hamas will yield nothing.

Barring Imran no political party has a major vote bank in Pakistan, accepting Israel will vanish any vote bank or political support left for PDM. Then there are #1 guys , how will they fool people should they accept Israel. All in all a catch 22 for Pakistan officials
 

Pakistani journalists visit Israel, find unexpected connection, warmth​

Aware of the risks she was taking by making the trip to Israel from Pakistan, Sabin Agha told The Media Line that discourse about the Jewish State within her home country revolves only around the conflict rather than the culture and the people.

“The only information that I had about Israel was in the context of war with Palestine, the war with Hamas, a conflict, an armed conflict that is going on,” the investigative journalist and documentary filmmaker told The Media Line.

Despite the general pro-Palestinian sentiment in Pakistan, state repression has prevented mass anti-Israel protests from breaking out, Agha said. “I am aware of that information as well that it was deliberately stopped from taking place the anti-Israel high-profile or large-entry Israel rallies in Pakistan.”

Even before traveling to Israel, she had the sense that Israelis weren’t as different from Pakistanis as they were made out to be. “I had a pretty good idea that, you know, the Israeli people are just like us, just like normal human beings.

It's a country which has a thousand-year-old history. It has civilization, it has culture, it has a religion,” she said. “And so do I. So do we. So what makes them so different?”

Relations between Israel and Pakistan have long been fraught with tension, shaped by Pakistan’s staunch support for the Palestinian cause and its refusal to recognize Israel as a state.

Despite occasional backchannel contacts, official ties remain nonexistent, and any suggestion of engagement with Israel is often met with political and public backlash in Pakistan.

Deep-seated mistrust, historical grievances, and regional alliances further complicate any potential rapprochement, keeping diplomatic relations at a standstill.

Amid these tensions, a delegation of Pakistani civil society leaders traveled to Israel last week as part of a program meant to promote tolerance in the Arab and Muslim world through Holocaust education.

The visit was organized by Sharaka, a nonprofit dedicated to promoting dialogue and coexistence in the Middle East, and was supported by the Conference on Jewish Material Claims Against Germany.

Details of the trip

The 11 Pakistani participants toured the Holocaust museum, visited sites of the October 7, 2023, massacres, and met with Israeli counterparts, highlighting the potential of person-to-person diplomacy.

Israelis, on the other hand, are not Islamophobic, they said. They noted that his multifaceted reporting on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict has resulted in two separate threats.

“I wanted to find out what Israel has done to Pakistan. And I found out completely the opposite of it,” Agha said. “Whenever we would even go to a restaurant or meet people on the streets, if we mentioned, I'd be like—what if I mentioned Pakistan? I'm from Pakistan, how are they going to react? And there was the opulence of, you know, smiles and warm welcome, that, oh, you're from Pakistan, welcome to Israel. So it was completely the opposite.”

Journalist S., who wished to remain anonymous, highlighted the importance of changing Pakistan’s education system in order to tamp down extremism among the population. S. has covered the kidnapping and murder of Jewish American journalist Daniel Pearl at the alleged hands of a British Pakistani terrorist.

While bemoaning US President Donald Trump’s decision to pause foreign aid to Pakistan, the journalist noted that foreign aid has been used to fund extremist seminaries. “Seminaries are out of control, and states just can't regulate them,” S. said.

The Pakistani government is actually interested in improving ties with Israel and the Jewish people, journalist B., who also wished to remain anonymous, told The Media Line.

“But they don't have the courage now because the religious fundamentalists are too much in power, and they dictate their terms most of the time,” they explained.

Agha pointed to Israel's technological progress as a particular source of inspiration for Pakistan. “These are the areas, technology and business, which Pakistan and Israel must collaborate with each other,” B. said. “And Pakistan can learn a lot from Israel regarding these sectors and benefit from each other.”

Agha said Israel must contact Pakistan to improve relations between the two countries. “You know, maybe with a roadmap. And also, we see in the Muslim world what the state line in Pakistan has been like in the past. The track record is that we always look for our politics and others in trade and business towards Saudi Arabia.”

“And so Saudi Arabia is like our holy land for us because of the Muslim country. So if the Muslim countries take a positive track towards Israel, I think then Pakistan would have a bit of opportunity,” she explained. “It will take this opportunity and they will feel at ease to connect with Israel.”

An anonymous Pakistani news producer, B. added that normalization between Israel and Saudi Arabia would also allow Pakistan to soften its view of Israel. “If the Muslim countries take a positive track towards Israel, I think then Pakistan would have a bit of an opportunity,” B. said. “It will take this opportunity and they will feel at ease to connect with Israel.”

Many of the Pakistani participants described a sense of identification with Israelis due to the common threat of terror. B., put it simply: in Pakistan and in Israel, “the pain and the grief are the same.”

“I was not able to define whether it's Israel or it's Pakistan,” B. told The Media Line. “The pain was the same.”

B. expressed admiration for Israelis’ ability to grow from their pain, noting that Pakistanis tend to have a much longer period of mourning. “Mourning is good. You are sad, it's good,” B. said.

“But you need to learn. You need to move fast. You need to move on.”

The participants described a Pakistani society that is much more sympathetic to the Palestinian cause than the Israeli cause. B. summed up the reason for that dynamic: “It's because of the same religion,” she said. “It's because they are Muslims.”

S. had an even harsher diagnosis of Pakistani society. “We are an antisemitic nation,” the journalist told The Media Line plainly, adding that the sentiment is more profound than mere opposition to the state of Israel.

“The state has peddled this narrative for a long time, and seminaries are preaching it day in and day out,” S. said. Even in the supposedly cosmopolitan city of Karachi, they said, the main street has been painted with American and Israeli flags so that those pedestrians trample on them.

“The culture of Israel is one of the universal human themes,” Agha noted. “The sufferings of the citizens— the common people who had nothing to do with the armed conflict—like the female hostage that we met at the near Oz area. She's a mother. She lost her husband,” she explained. “Children were like in trauma. She was in trauma for 54 days. The same goes for the story of Shiri Babas and her family. She was killed, and her nine-month-old and four-month-old children were killed. It's just the husband that was released.”

“So, these are universal human themes, like, you know, to connect people with people,” she continued. “This is what we, as filmmakers, do. So, I will try my level best to show that suffering. To also, and also show the culture of, I'll be more interested in showing the culture of Israel, which is like very welcoming, very warm.”

The connection is that 2 evil.regimes are oppressing people that they can't subjugate.
 
the day saudi recognise israel, pak will at most, be a year or two behind. it was going to the saudi plan before the Israeli Iranian war.

No chance, no party in Pakistan would be dumb enough to recognise Israel as a state.

Not that the people’s vote matter since the elections are now pretty much meaningless, but any leader that does recognise Israel will have signed their own death wish.
 
Government takes notice of reports on Pakistani journalists’ visit to Israel

The Pakistani government has taken notice of reports suggesting that Pakistani journalists have visited Israel.

Foreign Office spokesperson Shafqat Ali Khan responded to the reports, stating that the government is reviewing the matter.

He reaffirmed that Pakistani passports explicitly state that they are “not valid for travel to Israel” and that such a visit is not legally permissible under existing laws.

Khan emphasised that Pakistan’s stance on Israel remains unchanged and that the country does not recognise Israel.

He reiterated Pakistan’s unwavering support for the Palestinian people, reaffirming commitment to a two-state solution and continued diplomatic efforts in favor of Palestinian rights.


 
No chance, no party in Pakistan would be dumb enough to recognise Israel as a state.

Not that the people’s vote matter since the elections are now pretty much meaningless, but any leader that does recognise Israel will have signed their own death wish.
Heard various phrases like “ No one in Pakistan would” , insane how since 2022, those words don’t matter Zilch.
 
Heard various phrases like “ No one in Pakistan would” , insane how since 2022, those words don’t matter Zilch.

The one thing the left and the right in Pakistan come together on is that they both agree on the stance the government takes regarding Israel.

You’ll get one or two that won’t mind Pakistan resuming ties with Israel, but I reckon 90% of the population is anti Israel. No party would risk it all just for Israel.
 
No chance, no party in Pakistan would be dumb enough to recognise Israel as a state.

Not that the people’s vote matter since the elections are now pretty much meaningless, but any leader that does recognise Israel will have signed their own death wish.
they wont do it openly in one go, first they'll just increase business ties, which were growing pre war, just done through proxy via turkey, then reduce objections on political issues. much like saudi has, it wont be immediate, it might take saudi a decade after this war, but my point is unless the current dynamics between pak and saudi change dramatically, wherever saudi goes pak will follow.
 
The one thing the left and the right in Pakistan come together on is that they both agree on the stance the government takes regarding Israel.

You’ll get one or two that won’t mind Pakistan resuming ties with Israel, but I reckon 90% of the population is anti Israel. No party would risk it all just for Israel.
It will only depend upon what Saudi and UAE convey to their followers.
 
What was the surname of IK's first wife?
Its a question all the Palestinians are asking when they are being murdered in cold blood by Isreal. For your information Jemima Goldsmith but Why is that important to an unelected govt recognising Israel?
Sometimes your reveal your true self with what you post. Another zionist reveals himself
 
If true, this will make Pakistan's claim for Kashmir look extremely weak. Pakistan and Israel having good relations means they have abandoned the Palestinian cause, which in turn makes the Kashmir narrative of theirs a total lost cause officially.

@sweep_shot bro this is bad by the ummah but good for India.
 
Its a question all the Palestinians are asking when they are being murdered in cold blood by Isreal. For your information Jemima Goldsmith but Why is that important to an unelected govt recognising Israel?
Sometimes your reveal your true self with what you post. Another zionist reveals himself

Who did IK support during the London Mayor election when it was contested between Sadiq Khan and Zac Goldsmith?
 
Who did IK support during the London Mayor election when it was contested between Sadiq Khan and Zac Goldsmith?
Zach Goldsmith. But who refused to recognise Israel despite pressure from Saudi and America. Who fought for the Palestinians and made it clear PK stands for a just solution. IK would not be prison if he backed Israel. The international establishment would with him not spending billions to keep him in prison against all natural justice norms.
 
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The Pakistani jouranalist who visited Israel is a feminist/secular lady. Her name is Sabin Agha.

In other words, her background doesn't resonate with common Pakistanis. So, this visit isn't anything significant.
 
Zach Goldsmith.

Yes, spot on, he supported a hardcore Zionist and that too when he was up against a Muslim in a political dual.

But who refused to recognise Israel despite pressure from Saudi and America. Who fought for the Palestinians and made it clear PK stands for a just solution.

Actions speak louder than words. A good case in point is Erdogan when it comes to Israel. He's plays the anti-Israel narrative when he needs to perform for the gallery.

IK would not be prison if he backed Israel.

If one was Zionist, I guess we would need to take a look at who's making donations to PTI, headed by an individual, who went out of his way to support a hardcore Zionist.
 
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You can read more about Jemima's views on Palestine here


It takes a brave person to go against their family and take a stance like she has and it's a shame to see her discredited because of her last name.

In fact many of the prominent anti Zionist voices are Jewish. Finkelstein for example.
 
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There is a wonderful speech by an political analyst Sami Hamdi about Imrans actions in the OIC. Sami states that the UAE and Saudis were getting frustrated by Imran because he stood up and constantly mentioned Palestine while they were busy normalizing.


Is it reallt fair to mention this man amongst Zionist because of his wife's last name and because he supported someone in a local election.
 
You can read more about Jemima's views on Palestine here


It takes a brave person to go against their family and take a stance like she has and it's a shame to see her discredited because of her last name.

In fact many of the prominent anti Zionist voices are Jewish. Finkelstein for example.

I will explain the relevance. The question was asked as a precursor to the main discussion; IK and his support for the ex-brother-in-law, Zac Goldsmith

Also, the Goldsmiths at the time prior to IK's marriage were known to be Zionist.

I'm a big supporter of Finkelstein and I'm well aware that most Zionist voices are actually white skinned non-Jews.
 
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Yes, spot on, he supported a hardcore Zionist and that too when he was up against a Muslim in a political dual.



Actions speak louder than words. A good case in point is Erdogan when it comes to Israel. He's plays the anti-Israel narrative when he needs to perform for the gallery.



I'm actually glad you're saying this because this is about blow up in your face.

So me exposing IK's support of a hardcore Zionist makes me a Zionist. Great logic there 👏

If one was Zionist, I guess we would need to take a look at who's making donations to PTI, headed by an individual, who went out of his way to support a hardcore Zionist.



Before you begin worrying about what others are spending, you might want to cancel your direct debit first. 🤡
IK lived his words, today he is paying the price. He was told by Bajwa to accept Israel because the Saudis and Americans demanded it but he refused. The Americans and Saudi both asked for his removal and Bajwa obliged.
On the other hand, you are defending a criminal act by a regime that has no mandate, you are playing a card that only a hardened zionist plays by not talking about what's going on today and what's worse is that what you claim never happened in theory or reality.
Let's not a conspiracy theory that you guys come up with, let's talk what happened. Look at this image from a meeting between Munir and Blinken ( the most pro Zionist secretary of state seen upto that point). This happened after your friends had bombed the hell out of the Palestinians.
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In their desperation to stay in power this criminal regime is asking for help from their God and yours- the zionists. So explain why are they there while the World hates them. I bet you will tell us that IK told them from his prison cell. Please explain why nk anti demo's have been allowed against Israel and people have been attacked. Did IK order this attack. 🤣🥰🥰

 
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IMRAN KHAN HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS THREAD.... EXPLAIN THAT SECRET VISIT AND TALK ABOUT THAT ONLY....

NO IRRELEVANT STUFF NOW
 
If Pakistan can get a deal where Israel pays off our debt in return for our recognition, i have no issue.

Only issue would be that the sitting pm of Pakistan would get hated and also might get killed aswell. But its still worth it.
Relation sudhre ni ki bheekh magna Star kar Diya :kp
 
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