Pakistani diplomatic staff and their families being harassed in India

[Bewal Express]

Bad news for you then, Our so called mass murderer is #1 choice for upcoming election. 90% of Indian favour him as our next PM. I can’t vote in Indian elections anymore, but if i could I sure would vote for Modi as our PM.
I honestly, dont get why an avg Pakistanis are so mad about who we select as our PM. I mean i dont really care who is Pm in your country, not my concern. But you guys seemed to be so butt hurt. Even the Canadian Pakistanis i met here are little mad about Modi becoming PM, some assumed congress would come to power and would eased up visas regulations (LoL).

Great, you go guys. Its great to see our neighbours proudly electing "mass murderers". I will look forward to your posts on terrorism in the future.

 

[CanadianG00se]

Great, you go guys. Its great to see our neighbours proudly electing "mass murderers". I will look forward to your posts on terrorism in the future.

Not sure how are you even connecting Modi with Terrorism. Is he sanctioned as Terrorist by any nation? UN? US?

 

[Bewal Express]

Not sure how are you even connecting Modi with Terrorism. Is he sanctioned as Terrorist by any nation? UN? US?

Wasnt he banned by those countries after he led the massacre in Gujrat, or does that not count?

 

[CanadianG00se]

Wasnt he banned by those countries after he led the massacre in Gujrat, or does that not count?

He was been alleged as case was pending against him, which is why many countries banned him. But Supreme court of India found him not guilty and was rightfully allowed to become PM of India. Now, tell me which country has banned him? Talk about present

 

[Bewal Express]

Btw the definition of terrorism from the Oxford dictionary is
"The unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims". What did you say about Modi and terrorism.

 

[Bewal Express]

He was been alleged as case was pending against him, which is why many countries banned him. But Supreme court of India found him not guilty and was rightfully allowed to become PM of India. Now, tell me which country has banned him? Talk about present

Lets not pretend here, we are all adults here. The ban was lifted because of real politik and if he didnt win the election he would still be banned.

 

[CanadianG00se]

Btw the definition of terrorism from the Oxford dictionary is
"The unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims". What did you say about Modi and terrorism.

Im not asking for definition, Im asking which court or nation has proved his involvement? Has been listed as criminals by any nation? You’re yet to provide me name of one country that has listed him as Terrorist (Present time). Not even Pakistan has done it, I wonder why

 

[CanadianG00se]

Lets not pretend here, we are all adults here. The ban was lifted because of real politik and if he didnt win the election he would still be banned.

You’re free to assume whatever you want to. There is no cure for delusion. Like i said in my previous comment, why does an avg Pakistan feel so discomfort with us Indians electing Modi as our PM.

 

[CanadianG00se]

Diplomatic standoff: Envoy wont return to India till ties improve

In a development reminiscent of the 2002 standoff, Pakistan has decided not to send its high commissioner back to New Delhi until the overall situation improves and Indian secret agencies stop harassing its diplomatic staff and their families.

“Our high commissioner will not return to India anytime soon,” said a senior foreign office official just hours after Sohail Mahmood returned from New Delhi on Friday.

Initially, it was thought that he would return to New Delhi after consultations with relevant authorities on the continued harassment and bullying of Pakistani diplomatic staff and their families, including children by Indian secret agencies.

The Indian external affairs ministry even played down Pakistan’s move as a routine affair.

Islamabad recalls envoy to Delhi over harassment row

However, the official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, told The Express Tribune that the high commissioner would stay back for an indefinite period or until Indian secret agencies stop intimidating the staff and families of their diplomatic mission in New Delhi.

In other words, Pakistan recalled its envoy to New Delhi as a protest till the situation improves.

Last time, it was in 2002 when the two countries recalled their respective high commissioners in the aftermath of an attack on the Indian parliament in December 2001.

It was India, which first withdrew its envoy as a token of protest over Pakistan’s failure to stop alleged cross-border terrorism. New Delhi then expelled Pakistani High Commissioner Ashraf Jahangir Qazi.

However, this time Pakistan took the unprecedented decision to recall its envoy. It is not clear how India will react to Pakistan’s decision.

The official justified the move, insisting that under current circumstances it was not possible for the high commissioner to operate out of New Delhi.

“Children have never been harassed even when two countries have had the worst of relationship,” the official pointed out.

He said the children of Pakistan’s deputy high commissioner were stopped by the agents of an India secret service for 40 minutes on a Delhi’s road. “This is totally unacceptable,” the official said.

When asked whether Pakistan was contemplating withdrawing the families of diplomatic staff, the official said it might have to if the current slide in relationship was not arrested.

Tensions between the two countries have been already running high because of frequent clashes between the Pakistani and Indian troops along the Line of Control (LoC) and the Working Boundary.

But the latest diplomatic standoff will have far more implications if India also decides to recall its high commissioner from Islamabad.

Pakistani pilgrims denied Indian visas

Simmering tensions between the two nuclear-armed neighbors have now started having a snowball effect on other facets of ties – including people-to-people exchanges.

The immediate fallout of the worsening ties is the decision by the Indian government to bar Pakistani pilgrims from attending the annual Urs of revered Sufi saint Hazrat Khawaja Moinuddin Chisti in Ajmer Sharif.


As many as 500 Pakistanis, who were supposed to travel to India on March 18, were not granted visas by the Indian High Commission in Islamabad.

A Foreign Office official said the Indian High Commission didn’t even ask for the passports of the intending pilgrims, meaning they would not be traveling to Ajmer Sharif this year.

The annual Urs is scheduled to kick off on March 19 and continue till March 29.

The Ministry of Religious Affairs and Interfaith Harmony had received around 3,000 applications from across the country out of which 500 applicants were selected.

This is the second time this year that India denied visas to Pakistani pilgrims, something an official said was violation of a 1947 pact on the facilitation of religious tourism between the two countries.

In January, 192 Pakistani pilgrims could not attend the annual Urs of Khawaja Nizamuddin Aulia after India refused to grant them visas.

The move was apparently linked to the diplomatic spat ensued soon after Pakistan allowed Indian spy Kulbhushan Jadhav to meet his mother and wife on December 25 last year.

India accused Pakistan of harassing the Jadhav’s family, a charge Islamabad strongly denied.

https://tribune.com.pk/story/166237...ff-envoy-wont-return-india-till-ties-improve/


So, will India recall its diplomats as well? Or will Pakistan expels Indian diplomats? Interesting times ahead

 

[TQ89]

This is the video uploaded by a pakistani embassy employee in delhi diplomatic area.

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/kMjo3sg4TuM" frameborder="0" allow="autoplay; encrypted-media" allowfullscreen></iframe>

 

[Bewal Express]

You’re free to assume whatever you want to. There is no cure for delusion. Like i said in my previous comment, why does an avg Pakistan feel so discomfort with us Indians electing Modi as our PM.

Its the same reason why you are on PK website. If we cant comment on your fascist thugs that kill innocent people, why are you on here?

 

[DeadBall]

This is the video uploaded by a pakistani embassy employee in delhi diplomatic area.

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/kMjo3sg4TuM" frameborder="0" allow="autoplay; encrypted-media" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Not very subtle are they. Beats the whole point of espionage.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Lets not pretend here, we are all adults here. The ban was lifted because of real politik and if he didnt win the election he would still be banned.

His alleged ban was lifted long before he became PM.

What is your problem who Indians elect their PM? Its not your concern.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Diplomatic standoff: Envoy wont return to India till ties improve


https://tribune.com.pk/story/166237...ff-envoy-wont-return-india-till-ties-improve/


So, will India recall its diplomats as well? Or will Pakistan expels Indian diplomats? Interesting times ahead

Indian will likely recall its high commisioner as well. I hope they recall the entire staff and close down the high commision. Useless exercise.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Its the same reason why you are on PK website. If we cant comment on your fascist thugs that kill innocent people, why are you on here?

You realise that you calling anyone fascist or a thug or anything doesnt make him one? It only betrays your frustration.

If people like you hate Modi, he must be doing something good for India.

 

[TQ89]

Not very subtle are they. Beats the whole point of espionage.

Yeah pretty weird stuff

 

[DeadBall]

Yeah pretty weird stuff

Yeah, unless the whole point was to intimidate, which it probably was. Not very smart though in this day and age of mobile phones and cameras.

 

[Bewal Express]

You realise that you calling anyone fascist or a thug or anything doesnt make him one? It only betrays your frustration.

If people like you hate Modi, he must be doing something good for India.

This is a new one on me, if someone is liked by his people and does well than he cant be a fascist.Apparently Hitler did a lot of good for Germany, Mussolini made the trains run on time so by your logic they cant be fascists.

 

[Bewal Express]

Yeah pretty weird stuff

At least this is on camera, does anyone remember when our Ind contributer [MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION] was insistent that the Ind army raided AK. Any proofs, nearly a year later?

 

[cricketjoshila]

This is a new one on me, if someone is liked by his people and does well than he cant be a fascist.Apparently Hitler did a lot of good for Germany, Mussolini made the trains run on time so by your logic they cant be fascists.

Hitler and Mussolini are liked by their countrymen?lol.

 

[Bewal Express]

Hitler and Mussolini are liked by their countrymen?lol.

Yes, they were very popular during their own life time.

 

[CanadianG00se]

Indian will likely recall its high commisioner as well. I hope they recall the entire staff and close down the high commision. Useless exercise.

I sure hope they do as well. There is no point of continuing diplomatic missions when relationship is all time low. Im not even sure why we have diplomatic mission in Pakistan, getting visas is borderline impossible, might as well just officially declare it “that visa service is currently unavailable”. Im sure neither Indians nor Pakistanis are dying to visit each other’s nation.

 

[CanadianG00se]

Its the same reason why you are on PK website. If we cant comment on your fascist thugs that kill innocent people, why are you on here?

And what proof do you have that he killed innocent people? Plz dont give me ur rubbish Pakistani propoganda.

 

[Bewal Express]

And what proof do you have that he killed innocent people? Plz dont give me ur rubbish Pakistani propoganda.

Yes, lets rewrite history because you like him. Read the reports from the time and you will understand. The guy is fascist all day long. If they are on the internet and i have the time, i will dig them out. That was also reason why he was banned by both the USA and UK, unless you have some evidence that he was banned for some other reason.

 

[CanadianG00se]

Yes, lets rewrite history because you like him. Read the reports from the time and you will understand. The guy is fascist all day long. If they are on the internet and i have the time, i will dig them out. That was also reason why he was banned by both the USA and UK, unless you have some evidence that he was banned for some other reason.

I dont really care about him as an indvidual but i respect the position he holds. Lastly, like i told you, he was banned from entering some of the countries because there was case pending against him. As soon as the case was over, he was free of charges that were laid against him.

Anyhow, lets agree to disagree, you may call him murderer or terrorist, whatever makes you happy. I only care about him working for us as a leader.

 

[Bewal Express]

And what proof do you have that he killed innocent people? Plz dont give me ur rubbish Pakistani propoganda.

GUJRAT riots with a little bit of research.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_Gujarat_riots

 

[Bewal Express]

I dont really care about him as an indvidual but i respect the position he holds. Lastly, like i told you, he was banned from entering some of the countries because there was case pending against him. As soon as the case was over, he was free of charges that were laid against him.

Anyhow, lets agree to disagree, you may call him murderer or terrorist, whatever makes you happy. I only care about him working for us as a leader.

I disagree in the world of real politik, countries adapt policy to realities, and principle goes out of the window.

 

[CanadianG00se]

GUJRAT riots with a little bit of research.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_Gujarat_riots

My university never used to accept Wikipedia as a source and here you’re gonna use it to prove someone’s crime
I asked you multiple times, have any country CURRENTLY declared MODI not eligible to visit their country? Has any country CURRENTLY declared Modi as CRIMINAL OR TERRORIST.

 

[CanadianG00se]

I disagree in the world of real politik, countries adapt policy to realities, and principle goes out of the window.

Like I said, Whatever makes you happy.

He’s our leader and currently best out of the lot we got. If tomorrow someone better comes along, then sure Id support him/her. But for now, Modi is best option we have.

 

[Bewal Express]

Like I said, Whatever makes you happy.

He’s our leader and currently best out of the lot we got. If tomorrow someone better comes along, then sure Id support him/her. But for now, Modi is best option we have.

Maybe you should do some research on your leader by talking to families of the victims. I have and they blamed Modi and his fascists for their loss. Maybe you should do the same.

 

[Bewal Express]

My university never used to accept Wikipedia as a source and here you’re gonna use it to prove someone’s crime
I asked you multiple times, have any country CURRENTLY declared MODI not eligible to visit their country? Has any country CURRENTLY declared Modi as CRIMINAL OR TERRORIST.

No, i am giving you are perspective and the background. If you feel so strongly go and change what they have written.

 

[CanadianG00se]

No, i am giving you are perspective and the background. If you feel so strongly go and change what they have written.

I really do not take Wikipedia serious. Anyhow, lets end this never ending discussion on Modi.

This thread is about diplomatic mission

 

[Bewal Express]

I really do not take Wikipedia serious. Anyhow, lets end this never ending discussion on Modi.

This thread is about diplomatic mission

Fair enough, but i would urge to speak to families of the victims. It might be an eye opener.

 

[CanadianG00se]

Fair enough, but i would urge to speak to families of the victims. It might be an eye opener.

Ik Wym, my family relatives were indirectly impacted, my family roots from Gujarat and Muslim. I used to hate Modi to the core back in days, but over the period it changed my opinion, mostly due to the fact Congress have been screwing us for last 70 years. So, basically Modi is lesser of the evil compared to what Congress is.