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A Pakistani doctor who the F.B.I. said was intent on joining the Islamic State, either on the battlefield in Syria or as a “lone wolf” in the United States, was arrested on Thursday before boarding a flight at Minneapolis-St. Paul Airport.

The doctor, Muhammad Masood, 28, had been en route to Los Angeles to try to travel to the Middle East by cargo ship, the authorities said. He had initially bought a plane ticket from Chicago to Jordan, but officials said the flight was canceled because of the coronavirus outbreak.

Mr. Masood, who most recently worked as a research coordinator at a medical clinic in Rochester, Minn., was charged with one count of attempting to provide material support to a designated foreign terrorist organization.

The charge carries a penalty of up to 20 years in prison.

Mr. Masood spent the past two years in the United States on a temporary visa, known as a H-1B, that is issued to skilled workers from abroad, a criminal affidavit said.

Law enforcement officials said they began their investigation of Mr. Masood in January, after he posted on an encrypted social media platform asking for help making “hijrah,” the Arabic word for migration. The Federal Bureau of Investigation said the word was widely used by those seeking to join ISIS.

Mr. Masood then used the same social media platform to correspond with two informants about his plans, according to the affidavit.

He told one, “I want to fight on the front line as well as help the wounded brothers,” Carson Green, an F.B.I. special agent, wrote in the affidavit.

Mr. Masood was kept in custody after a brief appearance in U.S. District Court in Minneapolis on Thursday.

Manny Atwal, an assistant federal public defender who accompanied Mr. Masood in court, said in an email on Thursday that he could not comment on the case.

In a message exchange, Mr. Masood told one of the informants that, as a doctor, “I want to help mujahedeen on the ground,” Mr. Green wrote in the affidavit. Mr. Masood also told the informant that he sometimes wanted to carry out a terrorist attack in the United States because not many fighters could “reach here to attack,” the affidavit said.

“Masood further explained that he will need weapons training when he joins ISIS, and he discussed the use of small drones that can be purchased online and turned into ‘istishhaddi’ (meaning martyr or suicide) drones for use in Syria or in America,” Mr. Green wrote.

Mr. Masood is due back in court on Tuesday.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/19/us/minnesota-doctor-isis.html
 
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This is the problem when people talk about picking religion over nationality etc or not fearing death.

I know pretty much everyone on here have said ISIS doesn’t represent Islam and is a blot but where does this kind of mentality come from

This guy was a doctor in the US which means he is not only a smart guy but looks like comes from a well off family but where does this kind of attitude come from.
 
Ok and you have added this article to highlight what exactly?

Some background would be good.
 
This is the problem when people talk about picking religion over nationality etc or not fearing death.

I know pretty much everyone on here have said ISIS doesn’t represent Islam and is a blot but where does this kind of mentality come from

This guy was a doctor in the US which means he is not only a smart guy but looks like comes from a well off family but where does this kind of attitude come from.

Just a bad apple. Nothing more.

Majority of Muslims (including myself) condemn ISIS without question.
 
Ok and you have added this article to highlight what exactly?

Some background would be good.

As I mentioned in the follow up post, this isn’t a point scoring or diss post. I am just wondering what drives a person who clearly is well educated, a doctor of all things and living and working in the USA which means he is financially stable to make such radical decisions.
 
As I mentioned in the follow up post, this isn’t a point scoring or diss post. I am just wondering what drives a person who clearly is well educated, a doctor of all things and living and working in the USA which means he is financially stable to make such radical decisions.

Why do some people believe in Flat Earth theory? Why do some women fall in love with criminals/prisoners?

As you can see, there are some people who get attracted to unusual things/groups. It doesn't always have to do with background.
 
Minneapolis is full of Somali immigrants. He could have been brainwashed by some of them. I watched a documentary a while ago where it seems there are no go zones there now.
 
Why do some people believe in Flat Earth theory? Why do some women fall in love with criminals/prisoners?

As you can see, there are some people who get attracted to unusual things/groups. It doesn't always have to do with background.

What did ISIS do that is unislamic?
 
What did ISIS do that is unislamic?

They declared a Khilafah without consulting any Muslim authority. You can't do that. It is like me claiming my room to be an Islamic state. It doesn't work that way.

Also, they were killing innocents (Muslims and non-Muslims). Their approach was wrong and counterproductive.

Don't be high.
 
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Minneapolis is full of Somali immigrants. He could have been brainwashed by some of them. I watched a documentary a while ago where it seems there are no go zones there now.

Minneapolis is also a liberal Democrat strong hold :)

Also this guy has been in Us for only 2 years based on the article and he is a doctor so not sure how he mixed up with the Somali immigrants who usually are blue collar workers like taxi drivers etc
 
Minneapolis is full of Somali immigrants. He could have been brainwashed by some of them. I watched a documentary a while ago where it seems there are no go zones there now.

I went to school in Minnesota. It has the largest population of Somali immigrants. Who are doing their best to survive, make a living and live in peace. I have had a lot of interaction with them. The mosque I used to go to was maintained by these average taxi drivers. Other than a few youths that got lured into joining Al-Shabab there is no militancy or "no go" areas in Minneapolis. Minnesotans are very welcoming people and Somalis can be seen everywhere (esp. in the lower echelons of society). Same here in Seattle.

Have you seen all those documentaries on white supremacist hate groups that FBI thinks are the biggest threat to the US society these days?
 
They declared a Khilafah without consulting any Muslim authority. You can't do that. It is like me claiming my room to be an Islamic state. It doesn't work that way.

Also, they were killing innocents (Muslims and non-Muslims). Their approach was wrong and counterproductive.

Don't be high.

Sure you disagree with their ideology may be for a different reason than mine but anyways What is i surprising is what is motivating people from UK, Pakistan or even from parts of India to join them.
 
Sure you disagree with their ideology may be for a different reason than mine but anyways What is i surprising is what is motivating people from UK, Pakistan or even from parts of India to join them.

Different people have different viewpoints. Some can get radicalized easily while some don't. It is same with any group of people (not just Muslims).

Why do some people support KKK or RSS? You can find extremists from all groups and all backgrounds. There are radical Buddhists in Myanmar who are attacking Rohingya. List goes on.

Point is, most Muslims aren't getting radicalized. You are focusing too much on the bad apples.
 
Different people have different viewpoints. Some can get radicalized easily while some don't. It is same with any group of people (not just Muslims).

Why do some people support KKK or RSS? You can find extremists from all groups and all backgrounds. There are radical Buddhists in Myanmar who are attacking Rohingya. List goes on.

Point is, most Muslims aren't getting radicalized. You are focusing too much on the bad apples.

If that guy Kasab got brainwashed or some guys in the UK who have basic amenities but no other basic prospects or education like that girl who became a ISIS bride etc it still makes sense.

What drives someone who is educated and clearly earning a decent living make such moves is what is crazy. This obviously isn’t the only example
 
If that guy Kasab got brainwashed or some guys in the UK who have basic amenities but no other basic prospects or education like that girl who became a ISIS bride etc it still makes sense.

What drives someone who is educated and clearly earning a decent living make such moves is what is crazy. This obviously isn’t the only example

So, what are you implying here? I am confused.

It is not the only example but it is also not the norm. Vast majority of the Muslims are against ISIS.
 
So, what are you implying here? I am confused.

It is not the only example but it is also not the norm. Vast majority of the Muslims are against ISIS.

I am talking about the fundamental thinking.

We had thread on this very forum when few people said they would pick religion over nationality. It was harmless because most of those guys are just your average joes who might be highly religious but in this case this guy actually did that in extreme theory.

This doesn’t look good for his home country. He is fighting against the very country where he is earning a living, he is giving up everything he has going for him for what?

Is there a more fundamental issue? That’s my question.

Not to offend anyone but I would like to hear where does one draw the line between religion and being a good citizen?

Would you say this guy is not religious whatever his misinterpretation would be?
 
Sure you disagree with their ideology may be for a different reason than mine but anyways What is i surprising is what is motivating people from UK, Pakistan or even from parts of India to join them.

You have to understand humans are individuals. You have to understand just because someone is of certain nationality, race or religion they will not do everything in a certain way.
Just because someone is from a well to do family and is very educated do not mean they will always make good decisions. No one but this doctor can answer your questions, no one can read his mind.
 
I am talking about the fundamental thinking.

We had thread on this very forum when few people said they would pick religion over nationality. It was harmless because most of those guys are just your average joes who might be highly religious but in this case this guy actually did that in extreme theory.

This doesn’t look good for his home country. He is fighting against the very country where he is earning a living, he is giving up everything he has going for him for what?

Is there a more fundamental issue? That’s my question.

Not to offend anyone but I would like to hear where does one draw the line between religion and being a good citizen?

Would you say this guy is not religious whatever his misinterpretation would be?

You are mixing up two things - radicalism and fundamentalism.

Fundamentalism is not the problem. Radicalism is. Let's just say radicalism is an extreme form of fundamentalism.

You are trying to be very black and white but it is not like that. You shouldn't generalize like that.
 
As I mentioned in the follow up post, this isn’t a point scoring or diss post. I am just wondering what drives a person who clearly is well educated, a doctor of all things and living and working in the USA which means he is financially stable to make such radical decisions.

Surely to answer this all you have to do is talk to members of your government and the RSS lynch mob?

Doctor prob had mental health issues or innocent being framed.
 
They declared a Khilafah without consulting any Muslim authority. You can't do that. It is like me claiming my room to be an Islamic state. It doesn't work that way.

Also, they were killing innocents (Muslims and non-Muslims). Their approach was wrong and counterproductive.

Don't be high.

Which Muslim authority does one consult to establish a khalifah?

Please give examples of how ISIS is unislamic.

I know of their use of child soldiers and burning victims as being against Islamic doctrine.

It’s best to be specific, so there isn’t a chance of ambiguity.
 
Ok and you have added this article to highlight what exactly?

Some background would be good.

Most likely the usual "Pakistan being epic center of terrorism" and whatnot, despite that ISIS is primarily based out of Iraq and Syria.
 
Forget about religion. He is a doctor and his job is to save lives, not to take. How can an educated man get brainwashed to this extent.
 
Get back to the Topic. Its about ONE doctor in USA.

If you have anything to say about that, post here. This is not a general discussion to put down Islam/Muslims which is what I feared the thread starter wanted to do.
 
People like him make life hard for good citizens like us. Idiots and they deserve to get pounded. If i get immigrated to Canada, my loyalties will be with Canada and not with a country i ran away from. Pakistanis are truly one of the worst nationalities going around. Troublesome people.

In other words your loyalty is only with the $$$.

As for this one individual in Minnesota, that’s not necessarily indicative of all Pakistanis. Generalisations are not of much use. Pakistanis are just normal human beings like all other nationalities (and the 5th largest country in world by population), so will obviously have all sort of individuals amongst them.
 
In other words your loyalty is only with the $$$.

As for this one individual in Minnesota, that’s not necessarily indicative of all Pakistanis. Generalisations are not of much use. Pakistanis are just normal human beings like all other nationalities (and the 5th largest country in world by population), so will obviously have all sort of individuals amongst them.

Think this message has been lost somewhere.
 
Get back to the Topic. Its about ONE doctor in USA.

If you have anything to say about that, post here. This is not a general discussion to put down Islam/Muslims which is what I feared the thread starter wanted to do.


Have you seen me criticize any religion on this forum? I only condemn such radical mindset.

You must be living in la la land if you think this is an isolated incident.

My question was what drives such people who seem to have a perfectly normal lives to such extreme activities. This doctor guy was just another example not the only example.
 
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In other words your loyalty is only with the $$$.

As for this one individual in Minnesota, that’s not necessarily indicative of all Pakistanis. Generalisations are not of much use. Pakistanis are just normal human beings like all other nationalities (and the 5th largest country in world by population), so will obviously have all sort of individuals amongst them.

would you rather have loyalty to $$$ than to join some battle in Syria which actually you have no connection with but think you do because of certain things?

This exactly was my point. You were the same guy who was giving sermons of religion over nationality, now what different did this doctor do? He picked his interpretation of religion (key word his interpretation) over his nation-Pakistan and his professional career- medical professional in the USA.

How come you are saying this is one incident?

If it makes you feel better there are some Indians from Kerala and Hyderabad who joined ISIS too. Wasn’t that UK girl forget her name who was denied entry back to UK of Bangladesh/Pakistani origin as well?

The point is this is clearly a case of a guy making a non-nationalistic decision so what are your views?
 
<b>would you rather have loyalty to $$$ than to join some battle in Syria which actually you have no connection with </b>but think you do because of certain things?

This exactly was my point. You were the same guy who was giving sermons of religion over nationality, now what different did this doctor do? He picked his interpretation of religion (key word his interpretation) over his nation-Pakistan and his professional career- medical professional in the USA.

How come you are saying this is one incident?

If it makes you feel better there are some Indians from Kerala and Hyderabad who joined ISIS too. Wasn’t that UK girl forget her name who was denied entry back to UK of Bangladesh/Pakistani origin as well?

The point is this is clearly a case of a guy making a non-nationalistic decision so what are your views?

Why it has to be one or the other?

It has been previously discussed on the forum that nationality is a man made construct, its one of many identities that an individual has. Everyone has their own value system to decide which identity and cause is more important for them at which point in time.

As long as that decision doesnt go against basic human values of not harming other innocent people, one has every right to dissent and disagree with the prevailing opinion (in whichever context its in). I am not a very religious person but I understand why its important for others.

Therefore I disagree with an atheist saying that all others around him should follow any religion. Its like a reverse bullying to make everyone adhere to atheistic values.
 
People like him make life hard for good citizens like us. Idiots and they deserve to get pounded. If i get immigrated to Canada, my loyalties will be with Canada and not with a country i ran away from. Pakistanis are truly one of the worst nationalities going around. Troublesome people.

Pakistanis are quite like Brits, the Brits go to live in countries like Spain and try to turn it into Little England. But that's okay, as long as they aren't harming anyone, no one will mind. Sam goes for Pakistanis...except in your case. You are clearly a racist.
 
Why it has to be one or the other?

It has been previously discussed on the forum that nationality is a man made construct, its one of many identities that an individual has. Everyone has their own value system to decide which identity and cause is more important for them at which point in time.

As long as that decision doesnt go against basic human values of not harming other innocent people, one has every right to dissent and disagree with the prevailing opinion (in whichever context its in). I am not a very religious person but I understand why its important for others.

Therefore I disagree with an atheist saying that all others around him should follow any religion. Its like a reverse bullying to make everyone adhere to atheistic values.

Firstly I don’t know how you got the impression that I am an atheist. I am very spiritual and I believe in god and by that account you can call me religious.

Now your post is contradicting. You say nationhood is a man made construct but then what is religion?

Isn’t that man-made too?

Everyone one has their own value system is such a dumb argument. There is a basic idea of good and bad that we all subscribe too. As you know most Muslims don’t subscribe to the same ideals as say this Pakistani doctor but then there are a few who do, so why can’t you call spade a spade and acknowledge that there is a problem of being susceptible to terrorism instead of defending such behavior as identity crisis or his own value system. That’s what I am trying to convey.
 
Have you seen me criticize any religion on this forum? I only condemn such radical mindset.

You must be living in la la land if you think this is an isolated incident.

Don't see you criticising your Hindutva govt much, even though it was obviously vote in on a sea of religious nationalism. In fact you seem to love Modi, the man who was branded the Butcher of Gujarat.
 
Point is: be it nationality or religion, everyone has a choice to set his/her priorities as long as its within measures and not harmful. Neither me nor you can criticise others for what they see as their foremost identity.

Rest of your post: you are again trying to be clever and play your game. I will leave you to it.
 
Pakistanis are quite like Brits, the Brits go to live in countries like Spain and try to turn it into Little England. But that's okay, as long as they aren't harming anyone, no one will mind. Sam goes for Pakistanis...except in your case. You are clearly a racist.

Oh really, so does "little Pakistan" means grooming gangs, spreading terrorism, becoming the lowest strata of the respective economy, being aliens of the society aka ghettozing themselves?

You can call me racist if it makes you feel better but Pakistani westreners are probably the worst depiction of Pakistan.
 
Oh really, so does "little Pakistan" means grooming gangs, spreading terrorism, becoming the lowest strata of the respective economy, being aliens of the society aka ghettozing themselves?

You can call me racist if it makes you feel better but Pakistani westreners are probably the worst depiction of Pakistan.
Italians, irish,Latinos and more the exact thing has been happening to every immigrant group for hundreds of years nothing new tbh
 
Oh really, so does "little Pakistan" means grooming gangs, spreading terrorism, becoming the lowest strata of the respective economy, being aliens of the society aka ghettozing themselves?

You can call me racist if it makes you feel better but Pakistani westreners are probably the worst depiction of Pakistan.

It doesn't mean any of that in my community, but I can't speak for you and yours. To be fair you may well come from a background where all that has become familiar to you and I can only hope wherever you live, the locals will become aware of what is in their midst and perhaps mobilise some squads to cleanse the area.
 
It doesn't mean any of that in my community, but I can't speak for you and yours. To be fair you may well come from a background where all that has become familiar to you and I can only hope wherever you live, the locals will become aware of what is in their midst and perhaps mobilise some squads to cleanse the area.

Stop spewing rubbish. Didnt you post the thread on pakistanis running grooming gangs in the UK?
 
Stop spewing rubbish. Didnt you post the thread on pakistanis running grooming gangs in the UK?

Yes I did because I don't need to hide from the fact that Pakistanis do some pretty despicable stuff in Britain, but that doesn't mean I tar the whole community with the actions of a few scumbags. But as I said, I can only speak about my own community, you and yours may well be different so if locals want to cleanse the area they will have my support.
 
Yes I did because I don't need to hide from the fact that Pakistanis do some pretty despicable stuff in Britain, but that doesn't mean I tar the whole community with the actions of a few scumbags. But as I said, I can only speak about my own community, you and yours may well be different so if locals want to cleanse the area they will have my support.

Why do you get defensive? I had no idea until I found out on PP, that the guy accused of be heading Daniel Pearl was also a British-Pakistani. I was thinking he was killed by some of those tribal Taliban extremists. I do agree that stereotyping and generalizing is wrong but if you still don’t see a problem that is definitely a bigger problem.
 
Yes I did because I don't need to hide from the fact that Pakistanis do some pretty despicable stuff in Britain, but that doesn't mean I tar the whole community with the actions of a few. But as I said, I can only speak about my own community, you and yours may well be different so if locals want to cleanse the area they will have my support.

Its not just few, Cpt. Its a sizeable amount of Pakistanis refusing to uplift themselves in the west specifically in the UK and Europe (to a lesser degree). They are comfortable in living on government welfare support eating into taxpayer money contributing nothing to the British economy. They are comfortable in alienating themselves from the rest of country by their conservative behavior. Their ignorant selves are comfortable in running to Syria to wage Jihad and then expect to be taken back by the UK govt? They are comfortable in spreading terrorism. They are comfortable in not getting education but becoming drug dealers, child groomers. They are not loyal to the UK.

Its a systematic problem with Pakistanis in the west specifically in the UK and pooer european countries.
 
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Why do you get defensive? I had no idea until I found out on PP, that the guy accused of be heading Daniel Pearl was also a British-Pakistani. I was thinking he was killed by some of those tribal Taliban extremists. I do agree that stereotyping and generalizing is wrong but if you still don’t see a problem that is definitely a bigger problem.

Good point. Altho, i apologize to Rishwat, i didnt intend to generalize. Not all Westren Pakistanis are the same, but have we ever heard of Hindu Westrners committing terrorism? So, once certain people that are part of your community committ heinous acts - it tars the whole community. Thats why raising voice against it is important.
 
Its not just few, Cpt. Its a sizeable amount of Pakistanis refusing to uplift themselves in the west specifically in the UK and Europe (to a lesser degree). They are comfortable in living on government welfare support eating into taxpayer money contributing nothing to the British economy. They are comfortable in alienating themselves from the rest of country by their conservative behavior. Their ignorant selves are comfortable in running to Syria to wage Jihad and then expect to be taken back by the UK govt? They are comfortable in spreading terrorism. They are comfortable in not getting education but becoming drug dealers, child groomers. They are not loyal to the UK.

Its a systematic problem with Pakistanis in the west specifically in the UK and pooer european countries.

Some of what you say is true but you have deliberately ignored a few things acc to your agenda.
- Many of Pakistanis living in northern industrial town were blue collar workers, who were badly affected by the decline in UK’s industrial base. Socioeconomically they are not really that different from other groups of people that live in those parts of the country.
- Younger generations of Pakistanis in UK are gradually realising the value of Education and i know of many who aspire to do well. Many 2nd generation Pakistanis are well educated and working in white collar jobs.
- Sticking to your cultural and religious values doesn’t automatically make you anti-britain. That’s like taking the Hitler’s Nazi agenda. Contrary to what you believe Britain is a multicultural and multi religious society. Religious extremism also exists in all groups including Christianity, jewism and hinduism.
- There are communities of Hindus around the world in Surriname, Madagascar, Mauritius, Malaysia etc who are living there for over a century but still speak their native languages, follow their old religion and eat the same food as they did back in India. Does it mean they are not assimilating in the host scocieties?
- The organised crime like grooming gangs isn’t limited to one group of people either. Italians are famous for their mafias and cartells, Chinese in human trafficking (even running sweatshops in western countries).
- As for spreading terrorism, what exactly does it mean? Do you mean a few individuals who went to syria to fight? (So did many from all around the world), or you mean the usual indian allegation of Pakistan supporting Kashmir’s freedom movement? Or you mean domestic incidents like London tube bombing, which are rare and hopefully will cease to exist altogether.
 
Good point. Altho, i apologize to Rishwat, i didnt intend to generalize. Not all Westren Pakistanis are the same, but have we ever heard of Hindu Westrners committing terrorism? So, once certain people that are part of your community committ heinous acts - it tars the whole community. Thats why raising voice against it is important.

They are more focused on Telephone scans and H1b frauds. Anything that involves physical danger, they run miles away from. Here another related example:
https://www.dw.com/en/germany-indian-couple-convicted-of-spying-for-delhi/a-51638156
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-50117796

Its a changing world, soon their will be more awareness of the implications of these cowardly acts of crimes.
 
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