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Wasim_Waqar

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The next World Cup will be in May/June in England. We need solid middle order batsmen and seam bowling all-rounders who hit the ball hard.

Fahim and Amir Yamin have the tools to do damage for Pakistan. We need these boys to be given a good run now to ensure they have 40-50 odis before the next World Cup.

Both could be good finishers too.

Thoughts?
 
Agree. I didn't realise the worday cup is gonna be earlier in the season.
That means 1 of hafeez shadab imad out and seam allrouder in.
40 available overs of pace is enough so we just need the one to complement amir hasan jk

Also Azhar needs to be in the squad if WC is in early season
 
There's no real "bowling" allrounder at the moment.

Fahim, Yamin, they aren't very good with the ball.

Fahim is very good with the bat and can hit ,while Yamin cannot hit and tends to play other conventional shots. But bowling wise, they're bound to get carted around.
 
There are more then 4 to 5 players who can polished into pace/seam bowling all rounders. The big thing is if the selection committee give chances to players so they can be readied for the challenge.
 
For 2018 world cup, the following positions need to evaluated :

Azhar - replace with a more dynamic opener. I hope they don't take the easy option and stick with Azhar.

Hafeez - replace with a pace bowling allrounder as mentioned above (Faheem? Yameen?)

Malik - replace with a hard hitting middle order bat (Haris if fit, hoping a new batsman emerges).

Imad Wasim - really need a different option. Imad is 'ok'. We need a higher class player. If Hafeez is replaced with an all rounder, why not replace Imad with a specialist spinner such as Asghar? Or Usama Mir even?

Junaid - in 2 years from now, I am hoping a top new bowler has emerged to complement Hassan and Amir.
 
The core of the team in 2018 :

Fakhar
Babar
Sarfraz
Shadab
Amir
Hassan

Need 5 new players to make them into contenders for 2018.

Opener (Sharjeel, Farhan?)
Middle order bat (Haris, Saud Shakeel, new discovery)
Hard hitting pacebowling allrounder (Talat, Yameem, Faheem, new discovery)
Spinner (Asghar, Usama Mir)
New pace bowler (search the gallees)

I hope they give opportunities to lots of players to fill these 5 spots.
 
For 2018 world cup, the following positions need to evaluated :

Azhar - replace with a more dynamic opener. I hope they don't take the easy option and stick with Azhar.

Hafeez - replace with a pace bowling allrounder as mentioned above (Faheem? Yameen?)

Malik - replace with a hard hitting middle order bat (Haris if fit, hoping a new batsman emerges).

Imad Wasim - really need a different option. Imad is 'ok'. We need a higher class player. If Hafeez is replaced with an all rounder, why not replace Imad with a specialist spinner such as Asghar? Or Usama Mir even?

Junaid - in 2 years from now, I am hoping a top new bowler has emerged to complement Hassan and Amir.

Good points and agree with all except re:Azhar, he has proved me wrong and I think we should stick with him.
 
There's no real "bowling" allrounder at the moment.

Fahim, Yamin, they aren't very good with the ball.

Fahim is very good with the bat and can hit ,while Yamin cannot hit and tends to play other conventional shots. But bowling wise, they're bound to get carted around.

Fahim bowling is a touch erratic, but he's really raw. Good pace and with fine tuning he could be a great 4th seamer. I really want him to be given a long run
 
Agree. I didn't realise the worday cup is gonna be earlier in the season.
That means 1 of hafeez shadab imad out and seam allrouder in.
40 available overs of pace is enough so we just need the one to complement amir hasan jk

Also Azhar needs to be in the squad if WC is in early season

Agreed. Imad and Hafeez out. Shadab a must have. He will get better and better; in 2 years I expect him to be a key player in odis and maybe even tests
 
Almost all of us have consensus that Shadab and Hasan Ali are permanent members of our new ODI look. we all know they can slog/hit too. Why not spend more time with them to polish their batting skills? Even Aamir on his day can be a good swinger of the bat (remember his quick fifty when we lost to England embarrassingly)

perhaps we need one more all rounder with better batting skills. i feel like Fahim can be a better suit if he can work more on his bowling skills.
 
Where is this guy Hasan Mohsin nowadays? He looks very good from the videos I have seen of him.
 
I wish we could inherit Ben Stokesley or Hardik Pandya......

This is to say Pak doesn't have any talent left and you know what Pak just won CT17 when Mr. Stokes and Pandu also played for their respective teams and still their teams ended up being crushed by Pak. Huh....
Somebody just took the name of that unpolished gem Hasan Mohsin, may not Pak think about such guys? I think he was fantastic with both bat and ball in U19 WC.
 
If aint broke dont fix it. Dont need major changes now that we have a settled core
 
Agreed. Imad and Hafeez out. Shadab a must have. He will get better and better; in 2 years I expect him to be a key player in odis and maybe even tests

Imad type bowler is important to dry up runs especially agains western sides. Shadab will always be more expensive then imad.
Maybe imad should be given more responsibility with the bad n take hafeez spot
 
Talat is a real contender. Amad Butt is another possibility, although he seems to have had a drop in form. Here's hoping the NCA Camp does him the world of good.
 
The core of the team in 2018 :

Fakhar
Babar
Sarfraz
Shadab
Amir
Hassan

Need 5 new players to make them into contenders for 2018.

Opener (Sharjeel, Farhan?)
Middle order bat (Haris, Saud Shakeel, new discovery)
Hard hitting pacebowling allrounder (Talat, Yameem, Faheem, new discovery)
Spinner (Asghar, Usama Mir)
New pace bowler (search the gallees)

I hope they give opportunities to lots of players to fill these 5 spots.

If you want another spinner I think they will have to be capable with the bat.
 
Azhar, Babar, Malik, Sarfraz, Shadab, Amir and Hasan is a very good core.

I hope Fakhar and Junaid will carry on performing as they are and cement their places too.

Out of the ones that played in the final game, only Imad and Hafeez (at number 6) positions are open.

I would go with this squad for the 2019 WC

Azhar
Fakhar
Babar
Sarfraz
Malik
-------- OUR VERSION OF BUTTLER --------
-------- ALL ROUNDER --------
Shadab
Amir
Hasan
Junaid

Sharjeel
-------- MIDDLE ORDER BAT --------
Fahim/Yamin/Talat
Rumman
 
Azhar, Babar, Malik, Sarfraz, Shadab, Amir and Hasan is a very good core.

I hope Fakhar and Junaid will carry on performing as they are and cement their places too.

Out of the ones that played in the final game, only Imad and Hafeez (at number 6) positions are open.

I would go with this squad for the 2019 WC

Azhar
Fakhar
Babar
Sarfraz
Malik
-------- OUR VERSION OF BUTTLER --------
-------- ALL ROUNDER --------
Shadab
Amir
Hasan
Junaid

Sharjeel
-------- MIDDLE ORDER BAT --------
Fahim/Yamin/Talat
Rumman

Malik will also have to justify his selection- he has to perform over the next two years if he is to be part of the squad.
 
Whilst we all seem to agree there is a core group of players to take forward for WC19, looking at this thread it is clear everyone disagrees over who these "core" players are!
 
Cricket's most toughest job (or most precious assets) are the fast bowling all-rounders - fast bowlers that make the team with bowling merit & then capable of contributing with bat. Apart from being multi talented, one main reason being the work load that demands bowling fast for 35+ overs/FC match & then bat at 4-6 at FC level - on top of that more than that match time, hard work at gym & nets for developing/maintaining both skills.

Most great fast bowling all-rounders started as fast bowlers & then developed batting. Almost every great fast bowling all-rounder from Giffen in 1890s to Pollock in 1990s actually started career taking the new ball & then gradually moved up from No. 9/10 to even 4/5. Giffen, Monty Noble, Albury Faulkner, Jack Gregory, Ray Lindwall, Miller, Davidson, Peter Pollock, Procter, the fantastic 4 of 80s, Pollock, Wasim, Cairns, Flintoff, even in their last stages Marshall, MoJo & Vaas - all of them started as good to great bowlers and then gradually developed batting skills. Kallis also started career at 7 & 4th pacer of the team. One reason being bowling is more of natural skill while batting is methodical, process oriented & learned/developed trait with time & experience. For example, Stokes can become a 40+ average Test batsman, but he won't be able to bring his wicket/Test to 3.5-4 level, even if he starts to focus entirely on fast bowling at this age. By 25, every fast bowling all-rounder was established world class fast bowler.

In that regard, I think it's easier to develop Amir & Hasan as useful batsman at 8 & 9 with Shadab batting at 7 (even 7 & 8 with Shadab at 6 & Yasir at 10), rather than trying to make 3rd seemer out of Yamin or Fahim - they are just not good enough to replace 3rd seemed. This young Kid Nawaz can become an useful cricketer, if he focuses on his bowling, rather than batting.

LO is played on combination, hence PAK can accommodate both Fahim & Yamin - if they can factor that batting depth (which should put Amir & Hadan at 10/11) in batting strategy; but ala ENG, it's most likely will back fire in clutch matches. Recent times (after their rebirth) Poms got brutally exposed in both their big matches for that "all-rounder" syndrome. Batsmen choked in CT SM, but they simply didn't have the attack to make a match of that low score. For England, it might be out of their hand that both Adil & Moeen happens to be their best spinners, but PAK has better bowling options than playing MoHa, Malik, Imad, Fahim & Yamin in playing XI for their bits & pieces skills, rather than playing 50 overs of relentless attacking threat - icing on the cake is the batting ability of Shadab, Amir & Hasan.

I always put AUS as far better team than Poms (despite that loss in CT), because of the batting ability of their regular bowlers - in past Lee, Warne, MoJo .... now Starc, Faulkner, Pattinson. For the first time, I saw Aussies sacrificing their bowling for "all-rounders", and that didn't work for them - like playing that single digit averaged player batting at 4.

PAK also shouldn't go English way - team composition for PAK is more closer to Aussies than Poms, actually better because of the spin options available. Bowling is the core strength & team combination should be built on that - and then try to squeeze maximum batting efficiency out of bowlers, who can win matches only by their bowling. Bits & pieces cricketer won't suit PAK team.
 
Fahim can be developed into the best seam bowling all rounder for Pakistan, Amir also has potential with the bat to make him a useful bowling all rounder.
 
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