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We spoke about who our bowlers would be for the SA tour, who do you guys think should be in the top 7 batsmen?

1. Azhar Ali.
2. Fakhar Zaman.
3. Haris Sohail.
4. Babar Azam.
5. Saad Ali.
6. Sarfraz Ahmed/ Rizwan.
7. Shadab.

I put Rizwan in there since his FC average is better than Sarfraz's and also recently he scored a 50 against the England A side. With Rizwan coming in Azhar should gain the captaincy.
 
Not the time or series to bring in new players:

1) Imam
2) Fakhar
3) Azhar
4) Shafiq
5) Haris
6) Babar
7) Sarfaraz

If Fakhar fails in the first test, he's likely going to fail in the remaining matches too. In that case, I would move Azhar to open and bring in to bat at #5, below Shafiq and Haris.
 
I like that lineup and would make one difference, bring in one of Fawad or Salahuddin at no. 4 and everyone else moves down or play both Fawad and Salahuddin, whilst Saad Ali doesn't play until the next UAE series because it will be difficult for him to start in SA.


1. Azhar*
2. Zaman/Imam
3. Haris
4. Fawad/Salahuddin
5. Babar
6. Saad Ali/Salahuddin
7. Sarfraz Ahmed

Lastly, make Azhar captain and let Sarfraz concentrate on his batting alone.
 
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Azhar
Imam
Haris
Shafiq
Babar
Fakhar
Sarfaraz
Shadab
Hasan/Amir
Abbas
Amir/Shaheen
 
OK, this is a fantasy thread - here is my TEST team for SAF

First 7:

Azhar
Imam
Babar
Haris
Asad*
Umar Akmal (Yes, the water drinking guy)
Rizwan
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For J'burg & Centurion
Amir
Hasan
Afridi
Abbas

For Newlands, Yasir replaces one of the 1st 3 pacers.

Would have loved to see Amir or Abbas at Captain, but that's too much to ask.
 
OK, this is a fantasy thread - here is my TEST team for SAF

First 7:

Azhar
Imam
Babar
Haris
Asad*
Umar Akmal (Yes, the water drinking guy)
Rizwan
-----------------------------------------------

For J'burg & Centurion
Amir
Hasan
Afridi
Abbas

For Newlands, Yasir replaces one of the 1st 3 pacers.

Would have loved to see Amir or Abbas at Captain, but that's too much to ask.

Why Umar Akmal ?
 
Why Umar Akmal ?

May be I like his floating eyes.

On cricket reason is that, guy can play on back-foot. If SAF has any brain (I guess Styen, Rabada & Phillander has some), not a single ball is going to pitch on driving length, unless it's a green top. This current batting line-up will be bored to throw wicket after constantly defending on back foot - you need someone to counter punch - some cuts & pulls won't harm .... sweep is not working.

Have you checked recent FC scores - guy batted over 2 hours for his 34 to save a FC game for Habib Bank; isn't that enough for this batting line-up?
 
May be I like his floating eyes.

On cricket reason is that, guy can play on back-foot. If SAF has any brain (I guess Styen, Rabada & Phillander has some), not a single ball is going to pitch on driving length, unless it's a green top. This current batting line-up will be bored to throw wicket after constantly defending on back foot - you need someone to counter punch - some cuts & pulls won't harm .... sweep is not working.

Have you checked recent FC scores - guy batted over 2 hours for his 34 to save a FC game for Habib Bank; isn't that enough for this batting line-up?

Want to see more from him before selecting him. Don't mind him on T20s but in ODIs he has a lot to do. He will represent Pakistan again in the future. That I am certain of.
 
OK, this is a fantasy thread - here is my TEST team for SAF

First 7:

Azhar
Imam
Babar
Haris
Asad*
Umar Akmal (Yes, the water drinking guy)
Rizwan
-----------------------------------------------

For J'burg & Centurion
Amir
Hasan
Afridi
Abbas

For Newlands, Yasir replaces one of the 1st 3 pacers.

Would have loved to see Amir or Abbas at Captain, but that's too much to ask.

On bowling, you have to play Faheem. Faheem, Shadab and Amir will ensure they we can add 130-150ish by last 5, and rake score to 280/320...

Fakhir is also important player. Both Fakhir and Faheem have pretty good cut shot. I would still like them to restrain from pulling a whole lot, but you still need that shot as well. Those shots are handy on bouncy wickets of SA... you just cannot keep on defending at back foot and wait for pitched up ball...

Azhar has to open, that’s the only place where he is useful. He can use all his blocking skills to take shine off the new ball...

Abbas, Amir and Afridi are best pacers we have, supported by Faheem and Shadab.
 
So what I think the line-up would be is very similar to what the line-up is right now:

1. Mohammad Hafeez/Fakhar Zaman
2. Imam-ul-Haq
3. Azhar Ali
4. Haris Sohail
5. Asad Shafiq
6. Babar Azam
7. Sarfaraz Ahmed (C/WK)
8. Hasan Ali
9. Mohammad Amir/Shaheen Shah Afridi
10. Yasir Shah
11. Mohammad Abbas

Now what I would want to squad to be:

1. Fakhar Zaman
2. Imam-ul-Haq
3. Babar Azam
4. Haris Sohail
5. Saad Ali
6. Mohammad Rizwan (WK)
7. Amir Yamin/Hammad Azam
8. Hasan Ali
9. Zafar Gohar
10. Shaheen Shah Afridi
11. Mohammad Abbas
 
Fakhar Zaman
Azhar Ali
Babar Azam
Asad Shafiq
Fawad Alam
Sarfraz Ahmed
Umar Akmal
Hasan Ali
Yasir Shah
Mohammad Amir
Mohammad Abbas
 
On bowling, you have to play Faheem. Faheem, Shadab and Amir will ensure they we can add 130-150ish by last 5, and rake score to 280/320...

Fakhir is also important player. Both Fakhir and Faheem have pretty good cut shot. I would still like them to restrain from pulling a whole lot, but you still need that shot as well. Those shots are handy on bouncy wickets of SA... you just cannot keep on defending at back foot and wait for pitched up ball...

Azhar has to open, that’s the only place where he is useful. He can use all his blocking skills to take shine off the new ball...

Abbas, Amir and Afridi are best pacers we have, supported by Faheem and Shadab.

Can you tell me what's the difference between Fahim, Shadab with Bilal Asif for Test team? I can bet, if Bilal is played in T20, he'll chuck some six some day and pick regular wickets when the asking is 8+. Fahim averages 48 with ball against Kiwis in ODI and 40 in NZ - his stats are flattered by 9 wickets (50% of career) @7 against ZIM reserves. Take out ZIM & HK, his average goes to 42, which includes 3 games against SRL reserves last winter as well. And, Shadab's Test average is 48, excluding Ireland, that goes to 73.

You can't play such bowlers in Test cricket for their 10-12 extra contribution with bat. At Abu Dhabi, PAK lost 7/23 not because tail-enders can't bat, rather tail-enders (including the biggest one hiding as Captain) didn't apply themselves, when in both innings one set batsman was last man out. Replace Yasir & Hasan with those 2 all-rounders, PAK would have been chasing 275 at least, if not 375 - do you think their batting contribution is good enough to cover that?

No point playing posedu all-rounders, unless they make it for their bowling. In history of the game only 2 all-rounders succeeded for long with batting being their prime strength - one is Sir Gary, other is Jaques Kallis.

6 batsmen, and 6 proper batsmen, not all-rounder again, backed by a WK, who can keep and bat decent + 4 bowlers. I don't mind if those 4 are as good as McGrath with bat (& better if with ball as well). This all-rounder syndrome is the latest curse for PAK cricket - play specialists and ask them to be accountable for their key role; no hiding.

I give hypothetical scenario - may be, my attack should get SAF all-out for a total of 575 on decent batting condition, or even 450 in bowling condition, which 7 batsmen should be able to match, at least give a realistic try. For those 2 all-rounders replacing Yasir & say Hasan will allow at least 75 to 100 extra - do you think their batting is that good to make it a better exchange? PAK won 2 Tests against AUS & ENG in 2010 summer when those two were top 2 ranked team, without YK, MoYo; because Amir, Asif, Gul, Wahab & Ajmal did their job, and these were genuine tail-ender (still Amir contributed with bat both times).

Shadab & Fahim are the two most over hyped cricketer in PP - even Miraz took 8 wickets and scored 95 runs (NO both innings) against ZIM; at current state, these two shouldn't be even in Test squad. Your revolutionary CS has picked 5 pacers and 1.5 spinners for 2 Tests in UAE - so, everything is possible and somehow, someday a Bilal Asif can happen like Dubai ..... I'll accept being "put in place" that day; rest leave it for my way.
 
Azhar Ali for captain will be a huge disaster!!!-he cannot take any initiative, the way he batted for 10 overs was pathetic. Like a school kid accumulating one run per over, never tried to force the pace, can you believe a veteran of 50 test can't hit a boundary for 10 overs. Pak need to think out of the box to get the captain for test team. Sarfaraz is good for ODI and T20 only!!
 
May be I like his floating eyes.

On cricket reason is that, guy can play on back-foot. If SAF has any brain (I guess Styen, Rabada & Phillander has some), not a single ball is going to pitch on driving length, unless it's a green top. This current batting line-up will be bored to throw wicket after constantly defending on back foot - you need someone to counter punch - some cuts & pulls won't harm .... sweep is not working.

Have you checked recent FC scores - guy batted over 2 hours for his 34 to save a FC game for Habib Bank; isn't that enough for this batting line-up?

Agreed.

Umar Akmal needs to be in our Test side especially on overseas tours.
 
In an ideal world

Fakhar
Sami
Babar
Usman Salahuddin
Fawad Alam
Saad Ali
Muhammad Rizwan
 
The team should be like this

1. Imam / Fakhar
2. Azhar
3. Harris S
4. Asad S.
5. Babar A.
6. M. Rizwan (surely on form and ability to play pace as opposed to Sarfraz)
7. Faheem A.
8. M. Amir
9. Yasir S. / Shadab K ( Shadab in case of seaming track to strengthen the batting)
10. M. Abbas
11. Shaheen / Hassan

Need to go with 4 pace attack to have any chance in South Africa
 
Not being pessimistic at all, but whatever batting lineup should they put in against SA on those tracks, its likely to fail 8/10 times. I am already making my mind to see scores like 70, 80 all out for Pakistan. We may have a slim chance to win one test given our bowlers get them out cheaply & one batsman manages to get a big score, but a white wash is most likely on the cards for Pakistan.
 
In an ideal world

Fakhar
Sami
Babar
Usman Salahuddin
Fawad Alam
Saad Ali
Muhammad Rizwan

Saad I don't know, Sami, Usman & Fawad will be downgrade from Azhar, Haris & Asad by 2 or 3 level - between FZ & Imam, I am not sure whom should be picked for a Test series in SAF, my choice is Imam. Fawad could have made a Test career despite his Lacrosse stance, but that's at least 6 years ago, now he should rest in peace among domestics. You can't bring back time, neither should compensate someone at the cost of national interest.
 
1. Fakhar
2. Azhar
3. Harris
4. Asad
5. Babar
6. Sarfaraz
7. Shadab
8. Faheem
9. Amir/Hassan
10. Shaheen
11. Abbas
 
Imam Ul Haq
Fakhar Zaman
Azhar Ali
Haris Sohail
Asad Shafiq
Babar Azam
Sarfraz Ahmed
 
Fakhar
Azhar
Haris
Babar
Shafiq
Umar Akmal (if not fit then Saad Ali) - can score quickly and in good form
Sarfraz/Rizwan - would prefer the latter
Bilal Asif/Shadab
Hasan Ali/Amir
Shaheen
Abbas
 
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Fakhar
Azhar
Haris
Saad Ali
Babar
Shafiq
Rizwan
Yasir
Hassan Ali
Amir/Shaheen
Abbas

This would be my 11. If we feel the need for an extra spinner then we can play Bilal Asif in place of Amir or Hassan depending on who is in better form.
 
This team is better suited to conditions outside SC/UAE. I don’t believe we’ll win but we will pose a challenge and maybe even nick a test..
 
Can you tell me what's the difference between Fahim, Shadab with Bilal Asif for Test team? I can bet, if Bilal is played in T20, he'll chuck some six some day and pick regular wickets when the asking is 8+. Fahim averages 48 with ball against Kiwis in ODI and 40 in NZ - his stats are flattered by 9 wickets (50% of career) @7 against ZIM reserves. Take out ZIM & HK, his average goes to 42, which includes 3 games against SRL reserves last winter as well. And, Shadab's Test average is 48, excluding Ireland, that goes to 73.

You can't play such bowlers in Test cricket for their 10-12 extra contribution with bat. At Abu Dhabi, PAK lost 7/23 not because tail-enders can't bat, rather tail-enders (including the biggest one hiding as Captain) didn't apply themselves, when in both innings one set batsman was last man out. Replace Yasir & Hasan with those 2 all-rounders, PAK would have been chasing 275 at least, if not 375 - do you think their batting contribution is good enough to cover that?

No point playing posedu all-rounders, unless they make it for their bowling. In history of the game only 2 all-rounders succeeded for long with batting being their prime strength - one is Sir Gary, other is Jaques Kallis.

6 batsmen, and 6 proper batsmen, not all-rounder again, backed by a WK, who can keep and bat decent + 4 bowlers. I don't mind if those 4 are as good as McGrath with bat (& better if with ball as well). This all-rounder syndrome is the latest curse for PAK cricket - play specialists and ask them to be accountable for their key role; no hiding.

I give hypothetical scenario - may be, my attack should get SAF all-out for a total of 575 on decent batting condition, or even 450 in bowling condition, which 7 batsmen should be able to match, at least give a realistic try. For those 2 all-rounders replacing Yasir & say Hasan will allow at least 75 to 100 extra - do you think their batting is that good to make it a better exchange? PAK won 2 Tests against AUS & ENG in 2010 summer when those two were top 2 ranked team, without YK, MoYo; because Amir, Asif, Gul, Wahab & Ajmal did their job, and these were genuine tail-ender (still Amir contributed with bat both times).

Shadab & Fahim are the two most over hyped cricketer in PP - even Miraz took 8 wickets and scored 95 runs (NO both innings) against ZIM; at current state, these two shouldn't be even in Test squad. Your revolutionary CS has picked 5 pacers and 1.5 spinners for 2 Tests in UAE - so, everything is possible and somehow, someday a Bilal Asif can happen like Dubai ..... I'll accept being "put in place" that day; rest leave it for my way.


Shadab Vs Bilal:

That's an easy one, Shadab spins the ball more and both ways. Bilal has doggy action and was called once already, he cannot bowl doosra. Most of his wickets were in first innings against AUS, after that he is pretty flat, there is hardly any spin in his ball... I don't see anything special in him, he is no Abdul Rehman, he is also an allrounder not a specialist spinner.

His batting is more Tula than anything substantial, Shadab is far better test batsman than him. Shadab cannot hit big boundaries, but he has good defense and can play more than decent partnership, play a long innings. He is better batsman (both him and Faheem) in western conditions than our Captain...

Shadab Vs Yasir

Yasir is not that special as many thing he is. He still has not developed google, he is mostly effective in 3/4th innings when wicket breaks. I bet you Shadab can be as potent in those conditions, we have never played Shadab in those conditions. Yasir takes like 30 overs to make a break through at times even in those conditions. Last time we lost to WI and SL, because Yasir was not able to spin where as Bishwoo and SL spinners run through us. Its not all green and glory for Yasir in UAE either...

Yasir in West has mixed results with ball. Shadab would be more potent in first innings in SA, because he actually spins the ball and has pretty decent googlie... Plus batting of Shadab is way superior than Yasir.


Importance of Allrounders in West:

Long tail is important part of batting strategy in SA. Best time to bat in SA is from 35-80 overs(that too in first innings), with top order of Pakistan, we are going to be mostly 5 down by 40th over with 130/150 odd on board, if you only play with 6 batters, one more wicket are you are in tail. Where as with Shadab, Faheem and Amir, you have possibility of doubling that score 50% of the time. That can take the match forward. Under 200, you cannot win, even if you have 8 specialist bowlers most of the time.

Faheem and Hasan bowled pretty evenly in ENG, its not like there is day and night difference. He can be economical and can generate pace and bounce. He is more than decent with ball on those pitches. In second English test, he bowled better than our top tier bowlers.

In last 13 losses, batting is the main reason, we cannot go light. We cannot win without decent runs on board. We are struggling to make scores in UAE, SA will be a whole different challenge. You got to make use of overs 40-80...


BTW: India lost 3 out of 4 test because of long tail of ENG, they got rid of top order, it was Buttler and Sam that bailed ENG out, without even one of them ENG would have lost 1/2 more tests, that would have been the difference.

Even Indian batting order did not work by relying on top only, they needed tail to fire, which did not happened. We cannot go Tail light in SA. Only reason we won two test in early summer of ENG, was because of allrounders adding 80/100 partnership that extend the lead...
 
Hafeez
Imam
Azhar
Haris
Asad
Babar
Sarfraz
Faheem
Amir
Hassan
Abbas

Hafeez the liability will be sitting duck against philander, rabbada and steyn.
 
01. Azhar Ali
02. Abid Ali or Fakhar Zaman
03. Haris Sohail
04. Asad Shafiq
05. Saad Ali
06. Babar Azam
07. Sarfaraz (Better to have Rizwan but it won't happen in near future)
08. Yasir Shah
09. Hasan Ali
10. Shaheen Afridi
11. Mohammad Abas.
 
3-0 is coming up.I don't have any hope from this pathetic batting lineup.
And that is when Pakistan performs best, when you expect them to get thrashed by the opposition.

I think Pakistan will win at least one of the three tests in SA.
 
From 2015 on Fakhar Zaman and Abid Ali have been the highest averaging opening bats in Pak FC cricket.

Abid Ali has done well for Pak A as well. Stats do not lie and tell us that Fakhar, Abid are the best options. How did we come up with Hafeez and Imam? Probably the worst opening pair ever. They will give SA a free hand.
 
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Take 10 batsmen to SA

Top 7:
Fakhar
Azhar *
Haris
Asad *
Babar
Saad Ali
Sarfraz (c, wk) *

Bench:
Abid Ali (seems to be in form, reserve opener)
Saud
Rizwan (backup keeper )

* Azhar, Asad and Sarfraz would be replaced by Abid, Saud and Rizwan in the playing 11, if they keep underperforming.
 
Azhar
Abid
Haris
Babar
Usman/Saad
Saud/Fakhar
Sarfraz

I will give Abid a go. He has done well on the fast and bouncy wicket of Diamond in last few years in domestic.
 
Can you tell me what's the difference between Fahim, Shadab with Bilal Asif for Test team? I can bet, if Bilal is played in T20, he'll chuck some six some day and pick regular wickets when the asking is 8+. Fahim averages 48 with ball against Kiwis in ODI and 40 in NZ - his stats are flattered by 9 wickets (50% of career) @7 against ZIM reserves. Take out ZIM & HK, his average goes to 42, which includes 3 games against SRL reserves last winter as well. And, Shadab's Test average is 48, excluding Ireland, that goes to 73.

You can't play such bowlers in Test cricket for their 10-12 extra contribution with bat. At Abu Dhabi, PAK lost 7/23 not because tail-enders can't bat, rather tail-enders (including the biggest one hiding as Captain) didn't apply themselves, when in both innings one set batsman was last man out. Replace Yasir & Hasan with those 2 all-rounders, PAK would have been chasing 275 at least, if not 375 - do you think their batting contribution is good enough to cover that?

No point playing posedu all-rounders, unless they make it for their bowling. In history of the game only 2 all-rounders succeeded for long with batting being their prime strength - one is Sir Gary, other is Jaques Kallis.

6 batsmen, and 6 proper batsmen, not all-rounder again, backed by a WK, who can keep and bat decent + 4 bowlers. I don't mind if those 4 are as good as McGrath with bat (& better if with ball as well). This all-rounder syndrome is the latest curse for PAK cricket - play specialists and ask them to be accountable for their key role; no hiding.

I give hypothetical scenario - may be, my attack should get SAF all-out for a total of 575 on decent batting condition, or even 450 in bowling condition, which 7 batsmen should be able to match, at least give a realistic try. For those 2 all-rounders replacing Yasir & say Hasan will allow at least 75 to 100 extra - do you think their batting is that good to make it a better exchange? PAK won 2 Tests against AUS & ENG in 2010 summer when those two were top 2 ranked team, without YK, MoYo; because Amir, Asif, Gul, Wahab & Ajmal did their job, and these were genuine tail-ender (still Amir contributed with bat both times).

Shadab & Fahim are the two most over hyped cricketer in PP - even Miraz took 8 wickets and scored 95 runs (NO both innings) against ZIM; at current state, these two shouldn't be even in Test squad. Your revolutionary CS has picked 5 pacers and 1.5 spinners for 2 Tests in UAE - so, everything is possible and somehow, someday a Bilal Asif can happen like Dubai ..... I'll accept being "put in place" that day; rest leave it for my way.

Shadab was impressive in last Eng test series with bowl and bat both. He has improved his bowling in the recent NZ ODI series as well where he was pick of the bowlers along with Shaheen.

Faheem scored some cruicial runs in Eng down the order and got the wicket of Bairstow with a really good delivery when he was all set and that was the crucial time.

Yes both need to keep on improving, no denying that but if two bowlers are at same level and one can bat better its an obvious decision to make.
 
Azhar
Abid
Haris
Babar
Usman/Saad
Saud/Fakhar
Sarfraz

I will give Abid a go. He has done well on the fast and bouncy wicket of Diamond in last few years in domestic.

Abid is the best opener in Pak FC alongside Fakhar since 2015.

On merit + Domestic stats this is what it should be for South Africa:

Abid Ali
Azhar Ali
Haris Sohail
Babar Azam
Saad Ali
Fakhar Zaman
Sarfraz Ahmed
Shadab Khan

I would have had Saud but might be tough to debut in SA. Also Fawad Alam in Asian conditions instead of Azhar (with Fakhar opening in Asia).
 
Whatever the lineup, it will most likely be annihilated by SA fast bowlers. They will be licking their lips.
 
Whatever the lineup, it will most likely be annihilated by SA fast bowlers. They will be licking their lips.

True. But you don't even stand a chance with batsmen like Hafeez, Imam, Asad and maybe even Azhar (still useful as an opener).

If you have the right tools you still could make things interesting. Very important to have proper proven FC cricketers in the team. Haris and before that YK, Misbah showed you that.
 
Replace Imam with Shan.
Replace Hafeez with Fakhar.
Replace Asad with Saad.

1. Shan
2. Fakhar
3. Azhar
4. Haris
5. Babar
6. Saad
 
Azhar ali
Fakhar
Haris
Shafiq
Babar
(Vacant Spot)
Sarfraz
Yasir
Hassan
Shaheen/Fahim/Hamza/Amir
Abbas
 
1. Fakhar
2. Azhar
3. Harris
4. Shafiq
5. Babar
6. Shadab
7. Sarfaraz
8. Faheem
9. Hassan/Amir
10. Shaheen
11. Abbas
 
Whatever the lineup if its a 3 match series we are losing 3-0 with at least an innings defeat
 
True. But you don't even stand a chance with batsmen like Hafeez, Imam, Asad and maybe even Azhar (still useful as an opener).

If you have the right tools you still could make things interesting. Very important to have proper proven FC cricketers in the team. Haris and before that YK, Misbah showed you that.

VERY important that our bowlers perform well. Could well be a low scoring series.
 
I can't think of a quality XI for Pakistan against SA in SA: -

Bowlers should be Abbas, Shaheen, Hasan and Amir. If there is a SC style wicket, then get Yasir in place of Amir or whoever is not bowling well.

Batsmen, let me think: -

Hafeez and Fakhar will be early breakfast for Philander, Rabada and Steyn.

Go with Azhar and Imam at top. Won't help much but if they can tire up the fast bowlers, that is the best Pakistan can do.

Babar and Haris at 3 & 4.

Shafiq is mediocre but he will be a no. 5.

Can try Fakhar/Hafeez/Saud Shakeel at 6.

Sarfaraz, another mediocrity at 7.

And then the bowlers to finish off. Faheem is a terrible pick. Better to keep the guy away otherwise it will turn out an embarrasment.
 
Middle order isn’t that bad (it’ll be even better if Sarfraz can contribute), but opening looks in shambles. If this is not solved, against kookaburra, PAK middle order will be exposed to Styen/Phi’s opening spell. I can bear Imam for one more series as he is young, but PAK should look for Azhar opening again.
 
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