Pakistan's bowling plan in T20Is

[Asch Ali]

We have about 6+ bowlers who have to share 20 overs. How much should each of them have, and how exactly should the attack be orchestrated?

This is my bowling plan..
Overs:
1st= Nawaz
2nd= Amir
3rd= Nawaz
4th= Amir
5th= Fakhar
6th= Shoaib
7th= Shadab
8th= Faheem
9th= Shadab
10th= Faheem
11th= Hasan
12th= Faheem
13th= Hasan
14th= Talat
15th= Shadab
16th= Hasan
18th= Amir
19th= Nawaz
20th= Amir

Amir: 4 Overs
Nawaz: 4 Overs
Hasan: 3 Overs
Shadab: 3 Overs
Faheem: 3 Overs
Talat: 1 Over
Shoaib: 1 Over
Fakhar: 1 Over

 

[Savak]

Planning in T-20's is useless. Anyone can go for plenty, has to depend on the day

 

[Rayyman]

1. Amir
2. Imad
3. Amir
4. Imad
5. Hasan
6. Rumman
7. Hasan
8. Rumman
9. Shadab
10. Rumman
11. Shadab
12. Faheem
13. Shadab
14. Faheem
15. Shadab
16. Rumman
17. Amir
18. Hasan
19. Amir
20. Hasan

4- Amir
2- Imad
4- Hasan
4- Rumman
4- Shadab
2- Faheem

 

[Asch Ali]

Planning in T-20's is useless. Anyone can go for plenty, has to depend on the day

Wrong you got to have certain bowlers doing power play, Middle, and death overs.

 

[backfootpunch]

We have about 6+ bowlers who have to share 20 overs. How much should each of them have, and how exactly should the attack be orchestrated?

This is my bowling plan..
Overs:
1st= Nawaz
2nd= Amir
3rd= Nawaz
4th= Amir
5th= Fakhar
6th= Shoaib
7th= Shadab
8th= Faheem
9th= Shadab
10th= Faheem
11th= Hasan
12th= Faheem
13th= Hasan
14th= Talat
15th= Shadab
16th= Hasan
18th= Amir
19th= Nawaz
20th= Amir

Amir: 4 Overs
Nawaz: 4 Overs
Hasan: 3 Overs
Shadab: 3 Overs
Faheem: 3 Overs
Talat: 1 Over
Shoaib: 1 Over
Fakhar: 1 Over

Wow only 3 overs for arguably the best bowler in the side?

 

[fsharif96]

1. Amir
2. Imad
3. Amir
4. Imad
5. Hasan
6. Rumman
7. Hasan
8. Rumman
9. Shadab
10. Rumman
11. Shadab
12. Faheem
13. Shadab
14. Faheem
15. Shadab
16. Rumman
17. Amir
18. Hasan
19. Amir
20. Hasan

4- Amir
2- Imad
4- Hasan
4- Rumman
4- Shadab
2- Faheem

If you have all 6 of them (Amir, Hasan, Rumman, Shadab, Imad, Faheem) play, that's going to be one super long tail. Like what's it going to be? Imad coming in at 6?

 

[Rayyman]

If you have all 6 of them (Amir, Hasan, Rumman, Shadab, Imad, Faheem) play, that's going to be one super long tail. Like what's it going to be? Imad coming in at 6?

Faheem at #6. What's wrong with that?

6. Faheem
7. Imad
8. Shadab
9. Hasan
10. Amir
11. Rumman

Rumman is the only tailender.

 

[ads101]

Amir should bowl 2 overs with new ball, 2 overs at the death. Hasan 2 overs at death, 2 overs in the middle. Can be changed by match situation, but would always save one over at least for each part.

I'd only bowl spinners middle overs usually. Unless it's a pitch supporting spin that we can adapt.

Biggest issue is sharing the new ball with Amir. Hasan I think is better latter on, and if he bowls with the new balls, lack of threat in middle overs. Maybe Faheem can open with the new ball (2 overs new ball, 2 overs middle overs? There's definitely a lack of a new ball 3rd pacer option really.

 

[fsharif96]

Faheem at #6. What's wrong with that?

6. Faheem
7. Imad
8. Shadab
9. Hasan
10. Amir
11. Rumman

Rumman is the only tailender.

Personally, would be squirming in my seat if I saw us with that lineup. Imo, all of them are unreliable with the bat barring maybe Shadab.

 

[Rayyman]

Personally, would be squirming in my seat if I saw us with that lineup. Imo, all of them are unreliable with the bat barring maybe Shadab.

This is T20. You don't need Azhar Ali clones in this format. They're likely only coming in with 10 overs max left. That's equivalent to coming in at 40 overs in ODI. Ideally, Shadab, Imad and Faheem could come in before then so it's actually more than enough batting.

 

[ads101]

Personally, would be squirming in my seat if I saw us with that lineup. Imo, all of them are unreliable with the bat barring maybe Shadab.

It's way to weak. In T20s only one of those isn't a pure tailender, Faheem. And even then he's inferior to a proper bat. Just because a lot of them are talented with the bat, doesn't make them batsmen. There's a reason why all these guys have poor records with the bat.

 

[ads101]

This is T20. You don't need Azhar Ali clones in this format. They're likely only coming in with 10 overs max left. That's equivalent to coming in at 40 overs in ODI. Ideally, Shadab, Imad and Faheem could come in before then so it's actually more than enough batting.

It's a lot harder to score runs with the pressure of wickets.

And while we do bash our batsmen a lot, most of them will be able to come onto the crease and score faster than those guys. Except maybe Fahim. In ODIs it's a little different, it's often slogging which is down to a bit of luck, or bowlers are giving them easier balls to hit to try and bowl out the tail.

Shadab isn't really a consistent big hitter either, can preserve his wicket well and does hit the odd amazing six. He can forge out a decent innings in ODI, but when he goes aggressive in T20s, doesn't stay in for very long.

 

[Rayyman]

It's way to weak. In T20s only one of those isn't a pure tailender, Faheem. And even then he's inferior to a proper bat. Just because a lot of them are talented with the bat, doesn't make them batsmen. There's a reason why all these guys have poor records with the bat.

So you are saying Imad, Shadab and Hasan are pure tailenders?!?

 

[Rayyman]

It's a lot harder to score runs with the pressure of wickets.

And while we do bash our batsmen a lot, most of them will be able to come onto the crease and score faster than those guys. Except maybe Fahim. In ODIs it's a little different, it's often slogging which is down to a bit of luck, or bowlers are giving them easier balls to hit to try and bowl out the tail.

Shadab isn't really a consistent big hitter either, can preserve his wicket well and does hit the odd amazing six. He can forge out a decent innings in ODI, but when he goes aggressive in T20s, doesn't stay in for very long.

Yea but did you see his batting in 2nd T20 vs SL where he won the game?

T20 is all luck man. Even Zulfiqar Babar has won us a game with his batting. These guys are miles better than him.

6. Faheem
7. Imad
8. Hasan
9. Shadab

If Shadab isn't a big hitter, then what's wrong with him at #9. Or do you want him at 11?!?.

 

[fsharif96]

So you are saying Imad, Shadab and Hasan are pure tailenders?!?

I'd kind of agree. Hasan and Amir are definitely tailenders, albeit who can swing the bat. Imad, Faheem and Shadab are all bowling all rounders with a lot of room for improvement with the bat. Case in point:

Batting averages (domestic averages if they've played less than 25 intl games*):
Faheem 17*
Imad 12
Shadab 10*
Hasan 12*
Amir 7
Rumman 9

 

[MMHS]

Interesting thread, though in T20, one can hardly plan like this.

I always believe T20 is a bowling game - the side having best 5 X 4 combination, has the better chance. This is one main reason AFGs are actually better T20 side than us, otherwise on a batting shoot, we are quite good.

In that respect, for PAK team, I would have gone for 5 specialist bowlers, because of the batting capacity of 4 bowlers - Shadab, Fahim, Amir & Hasan; Wahab as well (I'll pick him for next 1/2 years as a back-up of Hasan, both similar type). My 5 bowlers will be Amir, Hasan, Fahim, Shadab and 2nd Spinner. For me, 2nd spinner has to be a genuine spinner - I'll pick Gohar instead of Nawaz. Here is the combination -

1 - Amir
2 - Fahim
3 - Amir
4 - Fahim
5 - Amir
6 - Hasan
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7 - Shadab
8 - Hasan
9 - Shadab
10 - Gohar
11 - Shadab
12 - Gohar
13 - Shadab
14 - Gohar
15 - Fahim
16 - Gohar
17 - Fahim
18 - Hasan
19 - Amir
20 - Hasan

5 X 4 : Amir, Fahim, Hasan, Shadab, Gohar - if regular bowlers don't go for a bad day, there is no point trying part-timers in T20; one such odd over can go for 20.

Depending on wind & foot-mark, Shadab & Gohar might exchange position.

Ideally, I would have dropped Fahim and played Shinwari or Raees/Afridi as Amir's new ball partner.

 

[Rayyman]

I'd kind of agree. Hasan and Amir are definitely tailenders, albeit who can swing the bat. Imad, Faheem and Shadab are all bowling all rounders with a lot of room for improvement with the bat. Case in point:

Batting averages (domestic averages if they've played less than 25 intl games*):
Faheem 17*
Imad 12
Shadab 10*
Hasan 12*
Amir 7
Rumman 9

Don't worry about averages lol. Afridi averages 18, Thisara-21, ABD-26.

Case in point, Kohli has 2x average of ABD, but you can make a case for either being better.

BTW you put Imad's average, but his SR is 150+. One of the highest.

Imad and Shadab are batting all-rounders, while Faheem and Hasan are bowling all-rounders.

 

[Kashmirilion]

[MENTION=137148]Rayyman[/MENTION] pls bro get over your obsession with imad hopefully he's gone for good we don't need him in the side we have better replacements.

 

[Greenstorm]

Hassan should bowl with the new ball.

 

[Ali Imam]

Why are Malik and Fakhar getting overs when you're not even giving Fahim, Shadab and Hassan 4 overs each.

It's hard to be exact with a bowling plan especially in T20Is. But I'd go with

Amir- 2 in the power play, 2 in the death.) But you could even give 3 in powerplay if he's killing it in a tight spot.

Nawaz- 2-3 in power play. I dont like the idea of a bowler like him bowing late in the innings. Unless he bowls right in the middle.

Hassan- 2 as a first change, 2 in the death. (I dont mind him bowling in the power play either tbh)

Shadab- All 3/4 in the middle. Unless he gives too many runs, I'd bowl him 3/4 overs straight around the middle of the innings. All in one spell.

Fahim- (a VERY underrated bowler in my eyes.) 3/4 overs. If not Nawaz, I want him to open the bowling with Amir. And bowl a few overs here-and-there. He's the type of bowler who can bowl whenever in the innings. As long as he gets enough overs, I'm fine.



So now we have 3/4 for each main bowler. So I'd bet they all wouldn't bowl 4 overs. So give those extra few overs to Talat and Malik. NOT FAKHAR

And also, If Shinwari, Rahat or Shaheen get a chance, you could easily fit them in with the new ball (Not Shaheen)

 

[Rayyman]

[MENTION=137148]Rayyman[/MENTION] pls bro get over your obsession with imad hopefully he's gone for good we don't need him in the side we have better replacements.

Lol what you mean? He's the #3 ranked bowler in the world. And a sure starter in this format. Most PPers agree with him being in the team. Only guy I like better is Zafar, but he has a lot of work to do before he is considered for selection.