Pakistan's fascination with "Fake All-Rounders" has to stop in Tests

[shah_1]

Salman Ali agha because he can bowl a bit
Mohmmad Nawaz because he can bat a bit
Faheem Ashraf because he can bowl and bat a bit


Terrible mindset by this team, pick 6 batsman, 1 WK and 4 bowlers, just like we did under Misbah ul Haq

 

[Savak]

You can't give total selection powers to an individual who has very poor understanding of the game and zero game awareness

 

[Amjid Javed]

Pakistans fascination with "Fake All rounders" has to stop in Tests

So once again Pakistan squad / Team have gone the route of "Fake All rounders" in order to so called provide balance to the team. Its about time that Cheif selector Mo Wasim got the sack as his so called Eye for Talent is non existent.

So first of all we have Salman Agha the poor man's Hafeez / Shoaib Malik, supposedly the guy is going to provide an additional spin option yet his bowling is that of part timer. His Batting? Exactly the same looks mediocre as well. Looks clueless against Pace and has now shown in SL and this Eng series he's simply not good enough as a batsmen, the fact Pakistan are batting him below flop Rizwan says it all.

Then we have PP flavour of the Month Nawaz, so because of a few good T20 performances he's now a test "All-rounder". People raving he's averaged 50 domestically with bat in last few years. He's nothing more then a glorified tail ender with bat at number 7, Most of our Tail enders look better with bat in hand.Yeah he can bowl, but an "All rounder" is laughable to say the least.

Mo wasim is the man responsible for picking these garbage players series after series, bits and pieces players in Test cricket. Another embrassement that's effect Pakistan performances when you have passengers in the side. Having these "Fake All rounders" ain't strengthening the batting it's lengthening the tail. These selections need to stop and Mo wasim needs to be sacked.

 

[Mamoon]

Pakistan has zero talent. The quicker the fans realize it the less painful it will be. Top quality players simply don’t exist in Pakistan.

Least talented cricket nation for a reason. No talent just lots of hype & big mouths.

 

[Farabi]

So once again Pakistan squad / Team have gone the route of "Fake All rounders" in order to so called provide balance to the team. Its about time that Cheif selector Mo Wasim got the sack as his so called Eye for Talent is non existent.

So first of all we have Salman Agha the poor man's Hafeez / Shoaib Malik, supposedly the guy is going to provide an additional spin option yet his bowling is that of part timer. His Batting? Exactly the same looks mediocre as well. Looks clueless against Pace and has now shown in SL and this Eng series he's simply not good enough as a batsmen, the fact Pakistan are batting him below flop Rizwan says it all.

Then we have PP flavour of the Month Nawaz, so because of a few good T20 performances he's now a test "All-rounder". People raving he's averaged 50 domestically with bat in last few years. He's nothing more then a glorified tail ender with bat at number 7, Most of our Tail enders look better with bat in hand.Yeah he can bowl, but an "All rounder" is laughable to say the least.

Mo wasim is the man responsible for picking these garbage players series after series, bits and pieces players in Test cricket. Another embrassement that's effect Pakistan performances when you have passengers in the side. Having these "Fake All rounders" ain't strengthening the batting it's lengthening the tail. These selections need to stop and Mo wasim needs to be sacked.

I agree with what you’re saying. But I don’t think it’s squarely on Mohammad Wasim.
Babar could have selected Shan and Azhar Ali in the playing 11. Selectors job is to provide resources. It’s the captain’s job to decide the playing 11.

 

[Amjid Javed]

I agree with what you’re saying. But I don’t think it’s squarely on Mohammad Wasim.
Babar could have selected Shan and Azhar Ali in the playing 11. Selectors job is to provide resources. It’s the captain’s job to decide the playing 11.

He could have picked Azhar and Shan yeah 2 failures, the whole squad is shambles, the lack of options is solely on Mo wasim. Agha will probably be replaced by Azhar next Test. That's level of mediocrity in this squad.

 

[Savak]

Pakistans fascination with Babar Azam is what needs to stop. The guy has achieved zilch as captain and player and gets talked about as being on the same level as Kohli.

 

[Cric1234]

Azhar and Shan the legendary 40 strike rate batsmen how many more such legendary batsmen are going to picked in the future.

The selections are confused sporadic based on a few decent matches in domestic cricket not all domestic players are international players and there aren’t 5 Sobers and Imran waiting to be found mediocre all rounders are not needed.

 

[Farabi]

He could have picked Azhar and Shan yeah 2 failures, the whole squad is shambles, the lack of options is solely on Mo wasim. Agha will probably be replaced by Azhar next Test. That's level of mediocrity in this squad.

Shan Masood has been in good form off late. Azhar Ali has been patchy.
But Babar prefers allrounders anyway.
Pakistan doesn’t have a ton of WC batting talent. If you think Hurraira or Kamran Ghulam are going to just show up and start dominating, then you’re plain naive. Test cricket isn’t that easy.
I agree specialists are needed.

 

[Suleiman]

Bar for being an all rounder is alarmingly low in Pakistan, despite producing an ATG allrounder and a couple of other world class allrounders (who weren’t consistent enough sadly)

But now all you have to do is fluke 1 big score in domestics and so you’re now an allrounder! Meanwhile, Australia, England, India and SA may have a bowler who even has a FC hundred but he’s still considered a bowler.

 

[James]

Too many bits and pieces cricketers have been selected in this Pakistan XI. The tail was long enough in Rawalpindi but it has now become borderline ridiculous here.

A team can carry bitty players in LOIs, and they are sometimes even quite useful, but in Tests you need a lineup of mostly specialists.

It was far too easy for England to bowl this side out once Babar’s wicket was taken.

The last 7 wickets following Babar’s dismissal fell for a grand total of 40 runs.

 

[Barragan]

Shan Masood has been in good form off late. Azhar Ali has been patchy.
But Babar prefers allrounders anyway.
Pakistan doesn’t have a ton of WC batting talent. If you think Hurraira or Kamran Ghulam are going to just show up and start dominating, then you’re plain naive. Test cricket isn’t that easy.
I agree specialists are needed.

Considering Saud Shakeel is doing well and guys like Salahuddin, Huairara and Ghulam are from the same performing domestic scene.

They will also do well.

 

[Marooned]

Agha, Z Mahmood and Imam simply don't belong in test cricket.

Agha was selected to keep Azhar's seat warm, Z Mahmood was the trademark illogical pakistan selection like Tabish Khan and Imam solely plays because of his friendship with Babar.

 

[amvbfm]

Bar for being an all rounder is alarmingly low in Pakistan, despite producing an ATG allrounder and a couple of other world class allrounders (who weren’t consistent enough sadly)

But now all you have to do is fluke 1 big score in domestics and so you’re now an allrounder! Meanwhile, Australia, England, India and SA may have a bowler who even has a FC hundred but he’s still considered a bowler.

Mubasir, the one player who has performed consistently with both bat and ball the last two seasons was not even considered. Surely he couldn’t have done worse than Zahid and definitely added more to the batting than the softie Nawaz.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Shan Masood has been in good form off late. Azhar Ali has been patchy.
But Babar prefers allrounders anyway.
Pakistan doesn’t have a ton of WC batting talent. If you think Hurraira or Kamran Ghulam are going to just show up and start dominating, then you’re plain naive. Test cricket isn’t that easy.
I agree specialists are needed.

I don't expect new batsmen to come in and hit the road running straight away, but we had the chance of blooding these new batsmen in Asia condition vs Aus, SL, Eng and NZ and giving them 9 or 10 tests to establish themselves, instead we have persisted with recycling same garbage players or picking mediocre all rounders.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Too many bits and pieces cricketers have been selected in this Pakistan XI. The tail was long enough in Rawalpindi but it has now become borderline ridiculous here.

A team can carry bitty players in LOIs, and they are sometimes even quite useful, but in Tests you need a lineup of mostly specialists.

It was far too easy for England to bowl this side out once Babar’s wicket was taken.

The last 7 wickets following Babar’s dismissal fell for a grand total of 40 runs.

Same line up was picked in SL, A top 5 with 2 walking wickets in imam and Agha, a non batting keeper and a tail starting at 5 with bits and pieces players. Same repeated mistakes.

 

[Ami]

Overreaction as usual.

 

[asfandyar]

Agha Salman is not good enough for this level. Zahid Mahmood is not even good enough for the domestics. Don't know how Faheem Ashraf was selected out of the blue (maybe due to his photo with Nawaz). Hassan Ali, Abbas, Zafar Gohar and Kamran Ghulam deserved it more.

 

[shah_1]

Overreaction as usual.

It is a fact that bit and pieces cricketers can't win you test matches at all. The structure is not sustainable at all

 

[James]

Overreaction as usual.

On this occasion, I’d say not.

 

[indianpanacea]

Against newzealand squad should be
Shafique
Shaan
Usman salahuddin
Babar
Saud shakeel
Kamran ghulam
Sarfaraz
Abrar
Zafar gohar
M.abbas
Husnain
Reserves
Mubasir khan
Naseem Shah

 

[Saj]

White ball all-rounders might perform now and then, but they will struggle in Tests.

Test cricket is not the joke that it is being made out to be in Pakistan cricket.

 

[shah_1]

Mubasir Khan should have been picked if they wanted an AR. Faheem and Nawaz provide 0% bowling threat and are nothing with the bat.

 

[PakistanMeriJaan]

Pakistan has zero talent. The quicker the fans realize it the less painful it will be. Top quality players simply don’t exist in Pakistan.

Least talented cricket nation for a reason. No talent just lots of hype & big mouths.

I concur. A population of 220 million cricket fanatics and we can’t string together a world class test team. Truly is a disgrace.

I think the state of our first class cricket and the quality our pitches are the main culprits for such atrocious cricketing standards.

 

[Zaz]

Useless All 3 have been a waste of time and done nothing in this test so far with either bat and ball

Id rather specialists salahuddin the batter and sajid the offie played than these guys who offer no issues to england

 

[ethan hunt]

Babar has no plan. Wants spinning wickets but picks the worst spinner in the world aka Zahid mehmood.
Bits and pieces and Muhammad yousaf’s parchi like Agha salman.
Doesnt pick good players of spin. It is just a directionless circus atm.

 

[Savak]

Babar has no plan. Wants spinning wickets but picks the worst spinner in the world aka Zahid mehmood.
Bits and pieces and Muhammad yousaf’s parchi like Agha salman.
Doesnt pick good players of spin. It is just a directionless circus atm.

You can keep Babar as captain for the next ten years and it will be the same story. No one in Pakistan Cricket will draw the line that enough is enough.

 

[JibranAnsari]

Lol even bowlers picked are not better than fake all rounders. Mohammad ali and zahid mehmood are terrible picks.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Fake allrounders also cost us the T20 WC.

Nawaz played games where he hardly batted and wasn't called on to bowl in a T20.

And here we are giving him test caps.

 

[ethan hunt]

Its an associate level attack barring Abrar

Faheem
Ali
Zahid
Nawaz


I honestly think that would be the worst first class attack in the qea trophy if played together.

 

[Zaz]

I agree it is directionless at the moment They have no clue what their best x1 is And its a case of throwing any players in and see who performs

The selectors and captain seem to be on different pages in terms of selection of personel Avge bowlers picked, bits and pieces players too

They pick a player in one test only to drop him in next game Abrar isnt played in 1st test and now is the main bowler in the team whereas zahid is picked over him but doesnt even get to bowl in this test

There are better batters in fc than salman but he is picked cos he can bowl but doesnt even bowl in this test

They have no clue what they are doing Its a circus

 

[PakFan2010]

Nawaz is the biggest waste of space in cricket. A passenger in the team for months.

 

[Amjid Javed]

White ball all-rounders might perform now and then, but they will struggle in Tests.

Test cricket is not the joke that it is being made out to be in Pakistan cricket.

Absolutely fuming at the continual selection of garbage white ball cricketers which Is making our test team even weaker then then it already is.

 

[Amjid Javed]

I agree it is directionless at the moment They have no clue what their best x1 is And its a case of throwing any players in and see who performs

The selectors and captain seem to be on different pages in terms of selection of personel Avge bowlers picked, bits and pieces players too

They pick a player in one test only to drop him in next game Abrar isnt played in 1st test and now is the main bowler in the team whereas zahid is picked over him but doesnt even get to bowl in this test

There are better batters in fc than salman but he is picked cos he can bowl but doesnt even bowl in this test

They have no clue what they are doing Its a circus

100% spot on we are playing 3 spinners here including garbage pie thrower zahid and then we still pick Agha, for what? Is he one of the best 5 batsmen available? No he's not. We are at home and can easily draft others into the squad.

Picking a 5 batting line up with walking wickets in imam, azhar and Agha in the last 3 series is plain dumb. Rizwan ain't good enough to batting in top 5 either.

Selector picks a rubbish squad and captain then picks an unbalanced 11 with garbage he's been provide.

Mo wasim needs to go.

 

[adzzy786]

Mohammed Nawaz
Faheem Ashraf
Salman Agha

Should not be in the test team. Need to go. They offer nothing with bat or bowl. I’d rather have specialists in the team.

 

[Saj]

Mohammed Nawaz
Faheem Ashraf
Salman Agha

Should not be in the test team. Need to go. They offer nothing with bat or bowl. I’d rather have specialists in the team.

Mohammad Wasim also in the Test squad.

What on earth is he doing in the Test squad.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Mohammad Wasim also in the Test squad.

What on earth is he doing in the Test squad.

Chief selector said they had ear marked him for test cricket for a while because he can swing the new and old ball. Most of the squad picked in either has beens, T20 players or domestic players "Picked on stats"

Shambles of a mess which is all on chairmen of selectors.

 

[moghul]

Salman Ali agha because he can bowl a bit
Mohmmad Nawaz because he can bat a bit
Faheem Ashraf because he can bowl and bat a bit


Terrible mindset by this team, pick 6 batsman, 1 WK and 4 bowlers, just like we did under Misbah ul Haq

Nawaz was not good enough for Babar to bowl 4 overs in T20, selected to run through England team
Faheem doesn't bowl regularly for his club and opened the bowling for Pakistan team in a test.

How long we will tolerate this Misbah school of thought carried on by Babar and Saqlain ?

 

[PakPremi]

Nawaz was not good enough for Babar to bowl 4 overs in T20, selected to run through England team
Faheem doesn't bowl regularly for his club and opened the bowling for Pakistan team in a test.

How long we will tolerate this Misbah school of thought carried on by Babar and Saqlain ?

Misbah always played genuine players not fake all rounders, occassinally he chose so called mini all rounders in a team like Shadab and Faheem as a combination in a tests. Lets stop blaming everything on Misbah, just a bad squad chosen by Wasim made worse by injuries.

 

[Mamoon]

What is not fake about Pakistan?

Naseem & Rauf = fake fast bowling talents.

Babar = fake best batsman in the world

Rizwan = fake best WK batsman in the world

Masood = fake most improved player

Azhar = fake wall at number three

A long list of fake all-rounders including Shadab who doesn’t even have the courage to play Test cricket.

Saqlain = fake coach

 

[Captain]

What is not fake about Pakistan?

Naseem & Rauf = fake fast bowling talents.

Babar = fake best batsman in the world

Rizwan = fake best WK batsman in the world

Masood = fake most improved player

Azhar = fake wall at number three

A long list of fake all-rounders including Shadab who doesn’t even have the courage to play Test cricket.

Saqlain = fake coach

Add to the list

Waseem Jnr. = Fake T20 allrounder

 

[Mamoon]

Add to the list

Waseem Jnr. = Fake T20 allrounder

Every single all-rounder that Pakistan has is fake.

Proper all-rounders are players like Imran, Kapil, Kallis, Botham, Stokes etc. who are world class at their primary role & good at their secondary roles.

Pakistan’s current all-rounders would barely qualify as good at their primary roles, forget secondary roles.

They don’t add any balance to the side - they weaken the batting & bowling at the same time with their presence. It is much better to play a specialist batsman or bowler in place of a fake all-rounder.

 

[PakLFC]

We don't have any world class batters. For that reason it is understandable that we want to extend the tail with bits and pieces all rounders.

 

[Saj]

Chief selector said they had ear marked him for test cricket for a while because he can swing the new and old ball. Most of the squad picked in either has beens, T20 players or domestic players "Picked on stats"

Shambles of a mess which is all on chairmen of selectors.

Guy has played just 7 FC matches.

Doesn't seem ready for 5 day matches.

Another Rauf style injury waiting to happen.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Guy has played just 7 FC matches.

Doesn't seem ready for 5 day matches.

Another Rauf style injury waiting to happen.

100% hes not ready for test cricket yet, the guy had zero control in T20s and in test cricket you need to bowl 15-20 overs a day as a seamer whilst either holding up an end or taking wickets, which douby hes capable of doing so at highest level.

Just like Rauf a disaster waiting to happen.

 

[ZafarKhan2022]

Mohammad Nawaz is the 2nd coming of Pir e Bhutan Sharif Sahibzada Mohammad Shahid Khan Afridi

 

[Saj]

The current Test team looks more like a T20 team than a Test team.

Ridiculous planning.

 

[Amjid Javed]

The current Test team looks more like a T20 team than a Test team.

Ridiculous planning.

Question is will Mo wasim finally come under scrutiny? Looking at the conditions we havent picked Pace bowlers suited to the so called final 11s what Babar wants.

Its almost as though Mo Wasim has his so called Ideas and Babar has to make the best of poor balanced squad, i get the feeling he doesnt want certain players in sqaud.

Ive never been this angry in a long time.

 

[Markhor]

The current Test team looks more like a T20 team than a Test team.

Ridiculous planning.

It's deliberate. The following is a word for word quote from Ramiz's interview with Sky.

"I told Babar that England are playing T20 cricket in Tests so you better pick T20 players."

 

[BakuGM]

It's deliberate. The following is a word for word quote from Ramiz's interview with Sky.

"I told Babar that England are playing T20 cricket in Tests so you better pick T20 players."

If indeed this is true then Ramiz got to go as well.

 

[Savak]

The current Test team looks more like a T20 team than a Test team.

Ridiculous planning.

Going by the teams run rate and intend, they haven't played like its a T20

 

[Saj]

It's deliberate. The following is a word for word quote from Ramiz's interview with Sky.

"I told Babar that England are playing T20 cricket in Tests so you better pick T20 players."

Comical planning.

How can such people run Pakistan cricket when their thinking is like this.

 

[GLORY OF '92]

I do think trying to bat like England today cost us today. The Misbah team would have grinded to 500 and it would have been game over. When you can't play a certain way don't force and collapse.

 

[Amjid Javed]

You have a look at Pakistans batting All rounder in past and there output in Asia

Afridi - 37 Ave from 21 Tests
S Malik - 41 Ave from 27 Tests
Hafeez - 46 Ave from 38 Tests
Razzaq - 32 Ave from 31 Tests

you go back to these players and in each case in Asian conditions there batting could be considered there strongest facet and enough to earn place in side, the current garbage we have aint good enough as a batsmen or a bowler to make it into side alone.

This is difference in current era of fake all rounder like Agha and Nawaz.

 

[shokz1408]

Comical planning.

How can such people run Pakistan cricket when their thinking is like this.

Haha it makes zero sense, especially considering we scored 202 in 62.5 overs RR 3.21. It’s probably the worst batting and bowling group I’ve seen playing tests v England.

 

[cricketjoshila]

This disease is prevalent on this side of the border too.

 

[Justcrazy]

If you do not have a genuine all rounder better to go with seven batsmen four bowlers . Hope that last four bowlers can bat a bit and score with a proper batsman on the team.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

This disease is prevalent on this side of the border too.

Ashwin, Jadeja and Thakur all walk into this Pakistani test side.

 

[moghul]

If you do not have a genuine all rounder better to go with seven batsmen four bowlers . Hope that last four bowlers can bat a bit and score with a proper batsman on the team.

Absolutely , test is the format for specialists , if no specialist all rounder available, which is hard to find , go with specialists, 6 batsmen, 4 bowlers and a keeper/batsman , or five batsmen and 5 bowlers.

 

[moghul]

Mohammad Nawaz is the 2nd coming of Pir e Bhutan Sharif Sahibzada Mohammad Shahid Khan Afridi

No one, even Babar, knows Nawaz's role in the team , not in T20 team , neither in test team,

 

[cricketjoshila]

Ashwin, Jadeja and Thakur all walk into this Pakistani test side.

Ashwin Jadeja yes

But thakur? And that Axar?

 

[Nikhil_cric]

I don't understand this modern obsession with allrounders . What allrounders did the GOAT Australian side or Windies of the 80's have?

Find guys with exemplary primary skills and then if one I them has serviceable secondary skills, it's a bonus.

 

[Saj]

What next Test cricketers for the T20 format?

 

[Kianig89]

Bis test of these rellu katas 180 odd surely Agha Nawaz and Faheem can score these

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Ashwin Jadeja yes

But thakur? And that Axar?

Thakur over Faheem.

Axar over Nawaz.

Most Pakistanis would bite your hands off for this.

There is zero comparison with the Indian test squad and Pakistans. The situation is the worst I've ever seen.

 

[James]

Time for the lower order all-rounders to take Pakistan over the line ?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Thakur over Faheem.

Axar over Nawaz.

Most Pakistanis would bite your hands off for this.

There is zero comparison with the Indian test squad and Pakistans. The situation is the worst I've ever seen.

I will give Chahar as free combo gift with these two. Someone take them off our hands.

 

[RyanRyan10]

Will the OP apologize if they manage to chase this total down?

 

[shah_1]

Another fake AR gets out

Pathetic selection

 

[Saj]

Can someone explain what Faheem Ashraf did in the Multan Test and on what basis he was picked for the match?

 

[Savak]

I am double minded on this one. Our tail is absolutely horrible and has failed to wag a lot of times which is why it is understandable why our team management is desperate to bolster the lower order. The way Zahid folded against Mark Wood twice in a row in this match was disgraceful, you cannot have two walking tailenders against the opposition who are red hot.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Can someone explain what Faheem Ashraf did in the Multan Test and on what basis he was picked for the match?

He did nothing, Nawaz and Agha werent much better either with their minimal contributions, again it all goes back to the pathetic sqaud that Mo wasim picked.

 

[Bewal Express]

I am double minded on this one. Our tail is absolutely horrible and has failed to wag a lot of times which is why it is understandable why our team management is desperate to bolster the lower order. The way Zahid folded against Mark Wood twice in a row in this match was disgraceful, you cannot have two walking tailenders against the opposition who are red hot.

When your tail can't hold a bat then it shows a systemic weakness. You don't expect Viv Richards to be batting at 9, 10 and 11but you expect batsman to able to block. We have tail enders that can't block or hit.

 

[shamaan]

Can someone explain what Faheem Ashraf did in the Multan Test and on what basis he was picked for the match?

Fahim should only be picked as a third seamer and someone who can bat at 7.

 

[BreadPakoda]

Can someone explain what Faheem Ashraf did in the Multan Test and on what basis he was picked for the match?

Opened the bowling and didn’t allow England to get off to a flier. Basically thwarted the Bazball. From his interviews, Babar seems satisfied with Rana’s performance.

 

[Ami]

Faheem needs to bowl faster and he can...he needs to be picked to take wkts not contain.

Nawaz will always be 2nd spinner in sub continent and he is fine for that role. He doesnt need to play in SENA matches.

Thirdly, by picking Faheem, you are going into a test match to win it because of the extra bowling option.

 

[Saj]

Opened the bowling and didn’t allow England to get off to a flier. Basically thwarted the Bazball. From his interviews, Babar seems satisfied with Rana’s performance.

Scored 32 runs in 2 innings

Took 0 wickets

If people are happy with this negative and defensive mindset then there is no hope for us.

 

[muqarrab]

Can someone explain what Faheem Ashraf did in the Multan Test and on what basis he was picked for the match?

Who would you have played?

He was doing fine before he was dropped, your main seamer didn't do much.

 

[moghul]

Who would you have played?

He was doing fine before he was dropped, your main seamer didn't do much.

What " fine" exactly this useless cricketer has been doing for last 6 years, an occasional 30-35 runs at lower order and hardly any meaningful bowling . Why some genuine pacemen, someone like Dahani was not selected ? or anyone but this trundler .

 

[moghul]

Scored 32 runs in 2 innings

Took 0 wickets

If people are happy with this negative and defensive mindset then there is no hope for us.

Faheem Botham Ashraf has been doing this for last 6 years but keep getting selected .