Pakistan's media outlets banned from covering Valentine’s Day - Sensible or Silly?

[MenInG]

Regulators in Pakistan have reminded the country’s media outlets that they are banned from covering Valentine’s Day.

In a notification to publishers and broadcasters, the Pakistan Electronic Media Regulatory Authority (PEMRA) writes that “respondents are directed to ensure that nothing about the celebration of Valentine Day and its promotion is spread on the Electronic and Print Media."

Pakistani newspaper Daily Pakistan reported that the letter follows a February 2017 ruling by an Islamabad judge, who forbade the date being celebrated in public.

The order also baned media from promoting or covering Valentine's Day events as well as the sale of associated merchandise—and called for PEMRA to monitor media platforms for violation of the ban.

The ban followed a petition by a private citizen, Abdul Waheed, who argued that promotions of Valentines’ Day were "against the teachings of Islam and should be banned immediately."

According to the Dawn newspaper, the petition argued that the festival promoted immorality, nudity and indecency under the cover of spreading love.

The ban followed Pakistan's President Mamnoon Hussain's 2016 declaration that Valentine's Day should be avoided, calling it a Western tradition that was not part of Pakistan's culture.

For some in the Islamic republic, Valentine’s Day is an immoral western import—with hardline Islamist group Jamat e Islami holding demonstrations against the celebration on February 14.

The celebration has grown popular in some areas in Pakistan, and businesses have used the celebration to promote products.

http://www.newsweek.com/pakistan-bans-media-coverage-valentines-day-800678

 

[KingKhanWC]

I'm not sure if it's anti-Islamic but I do know it's a load of nonsense. It's just another commerical money making event.

 

[Major]

I'm not sure if it's anti-Islamic but I do know it's a load of nonsense. It's just another commerical money making event.

so whats your problem?
Why not let those who enjoy the day celebrate it?

 

[KingKhanWC]

so whats your problem?
Why not let those who enjoy the day celebrate it?

Since when did I say it should be stopped? If you want to buy your gf/bf a flower on the 14th , it's your business not mine.

 

[Pakistanian]

Stupid

 

[Abdul]

It's utter crap.

 

[Reddy]

Things like these get worldwide coverage then Pakistanis open threads here asking why they are not looked at favourably in this world.

 

[Madplayer]

Things like these get worldwide coverage then Pakistanis open threads here asking why they are not looked at favourably in this world.

Although its not a state policy, but the same thing happens in India on ground.

 

[Reddy]

Although its not a state policy, but the same thing happens in India on ground.

State policy is what matters, I have never been stopped from celebrating valentines day in India, of-course India is a big country and some groups here and there may try to gain relevance but as long as state is not involved it is fine.

Heck, Even Shiv Sena went from protesting against Valentines to now doing nothing as younger lot came in Shiv sena administration and also they can't risk losing young voters.

 

[Madplayer]

State policy is what matters, I have never been stopped from celebrating valentines day in India, of-course India is a big country and some groups here and there may try to gain relevance but as long as state is not involved it is fine.

Heck, Even Shiv Sena went from protesting against Valentines to now doing nothing as younger lot came in Shiv sena administration and also they can't risk losing young voters.

You are under stating the problem in India. Especially smaller "cities" in proximity to rural parts of India. Lets see what happens this valentines.

 

[Reddy]

You are under stating the problem in India. Especially smaller "cities" in proximity to rural parts of India. Lets see what happens this valentines.

Yup, lets see what happens in India. Till that time lets focus on Pakistan as this thread is about Pakistan state sanctioned banning of valentines.

 

[Madplayer]

Yup, lets see what happens in India. Till that time lets focus on Pakistan as this thread is about Pakistan state sanctioned banning of valentines.

Yes its wrong to ban it.

 

[TM Riddle]

Man I utterly despise this Valentine's day crap. And to top that they have started this trend of Valentine's week where every day leading to 14th Feb is allotted to some stupid crap such as Teddies , roses and chocolate.
Worst time of the year if you are a guy with a dumb girlfriend :/

 

[TM Riddle]

What's the point of a chocolate day I ask you? Who the hell came up with this idea

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

What's the point of a chocolate day I ask you? Who the hell came up with this idea

Probably Cadburys or Nestle.

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

Absolutely silly.

And I never cared about Valentine's.

If people wanna have fun, let 'em.

Pak Gov must set its priorities straight.

 

[Reddy]

Man I utterly despise this Valentine's day crap. And to top that they have started this trend of Valentine's week where every day leading to 14th Feb is allotted to some stupid crap such as Teddies , roses and chocolate.
Worst time of the year if you are a guy with a dumb girlfriend :/

Flipkart and Amazon have already started promoting Valentines day sales, even whole Valentine week sales.

 

[Angrez Pakistani]

What more can you expect from a bunch of patriarchal, manipulative, hypocritical, nonsensical, sadists? Thanks to the media, we now know that people in Pakistan would rather celebrate the death anniversary of murderers than the Valentine’s Day.

 

[kaayal]

Ofcourse men will be angry when it comes to spending money and gets nothing in return.

 

[TM Riddle]

Ofcourse men will be angry when it comes to spending money and gets nothing in return.

What's the point of spending bucketload of money on stupid Teddies and dumb sh#t like that when you can actually go on a nice outing or do something worthwhile with that ?
And if that wasn't enough , you have to listen blabbering about her friend's fiancee who cares about her so much always paying attention to her little needs. Maybe the guy is an unemployed junkie with loads of free time. How is it my fault?
Stupid festival . Completely agreed with Pakistani Govt's decision. Go Shiv Sena/ Bajrang Dal.

 

[JaDed]

You are under stating the problem in India. Especially smaller "cities" in proximity to rural parts of India. Lets see what happens this valentines.

Yes ,but till the Constitution is upheld it's still safer, an example would be Bangalore during BJP era when SRI RAM SENA was actually getting violent in Mangalore and threatened to come to Bangalore,then everyone revolted and there was lot of hue and cry that CM had to interfere and say police would be available everywhere and fringe groups can't do anything,now that happened because there is no law against it.

 

[kaayal]

[MENTION=130700]TM Riddle[/MENTION] Oh come on,Teddies might not be stupid for her so buy it. It's not like she is asking for a tiffany ring. And outing before marriage is a big no no..

And brace yourself for comparisons. You will hear that lifelong till your death. Keep silent. Nothing can be done here.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

What more can you expect from a bunch of patriarchal, manipulative, hypocritical, nonsensical, sadists? Thanks to the media, we now know that people in Pakistan would rather celebrate the death anniversary of murderers than the Valentine’s Day.

So are you blaming the govt of Pakistan or the people? Because if what you say is true, there would be no need for a ban.

 

[DW44]

At this point, why not. Censorship is what we do best afterall.

 

[Madplayer]

Yes ,but till the Constitution is upheld it's still safer, an example would be Bangalore during BJP era when SRI RAM SENA was actually getting violent in Mangalore and threatened to come to Bangalore,then everyone revolted and there was lot of hue and cry that CM had to interfere and say police would be available everywhere and fringe groups can't do anything,now that happened because there is no law against it.

Ofcourse that is true but i am sure you would agree that such strict actions where police is made available everywhere arent really a norm. The fact that hue and cry had to be raised by people to make it happen tells us a lot about the reality.

Having said that, there is no denying that India's stated policy on the issue makes it comparatively easier to handle such elements.

 

[Arham_PakFan]

Even though I dislike Valentines day,I think it’s a silly decision to ban/censor it.As long as moral and ethical standards are not violated,there is nothing wrong with it.

 

[aloo paratha]

I hate when governments try to force people to be righteous. People won't stop doing stuff just because you ban something.

 

[Bewal Express]

The whole Valentines day is a commercial scam but the ban is ludicrous. Do people not have better things to do.

 

[Reddy]

The whole Valentines day is a commercial scam but the ban is ludicrous. Do people not have better things to do.

The E-commerce websites in India have shifted from Valentines day sales/celebration to whole Valentine week, just check out this ridiculous page: https://www.amazon.in/b/ref=GW_Vdat...e7e-775218d325c3&pf_rd_r=6HBB112N5W3TZ02V5RDJ

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

The whole Valentines day is a commercial scam but the ban is ludicrous. Do people not have better things to do.

They probably don't. The ban came about due to one individual raising a petition, and the govt clearly didn't have more important matters to focus on so why not draft up a ban on Valentine's Day to look busy?

 

[Gilly]

But when we are being force-fed western cultural norms apparently we have to accept it all. I'm not advocating banning, but it's clear that Muslims are the most unfairly treated people in the world.

Force-fed, valentines day is optional you can choose to ignore it like most people do in the West.

Valentines day is for a minority that are young and out to impress, most people probably 85% of people in the west choose not to celebrate valentines day.

What type of things are force -fed to muslims?.

 

[Rayyman]

Logic-wise it is sensible.

Business-wise it is silly.

Social-wise it is silly.

 

[TikkiTaka]

Force-fed, valentines day is optional you can choose to ignore it like most people do in the West.

Valentines day is for a minority that are young and out to impress, most people probably 85% of people in the west choose not to celebrate valentines day.

What type of things are force -fed to muslims?.

Burqa and Niqab bans in many countries. Not allowing breaks for prayer at work. Constant negative portrayal of Islam and putting the blame for any militant attacks on Islamic Terrorism. The list goes on.

 

[Angrez Pakistani]

I’m not singling out anyone here. What I’m saying though is that Pakistani society as a whole is in a rott and that people in general would rather oppose a loving tradition than opposing senseless murders of innocent citizens, accept for the KHOONI LIBERALS.

 

[Gilly]

Burqa and Niqab bans in many countries. Not allowing breaks for prayer at work. Constant negative portrayal of Islam and putting the blame for any militant attacks on Islamic Terrorism. The list goes on.

So if a westerner goes to an Islamic country they are free to follow their own customs and beliefs but when a muslim goes to a western country they are force fed western ways.

you are taking the victim approach.

 

[Traveller55]

Burqa and Niqab bans in many countries.

Good. Covering your entire face is a security risk. Last I checked, you can't walk around in most of those countries with a full ski-mask either.

Not allowing breaks for prayer at work.

Good. Its called equality and secularism. Last I checked, they don't allow breaks for Jewish prayers, Christian prayers or Hindu prayers either. So why do you think its discrimination, when special treatment is not meted out to you ?!

Constant negative portrayal of Islam and putting the blame for any militant attacks on Islamic Terrorism. The list goes on.

Ok. Well we have Islamist groups blowing stuff up in Phillipines, Thailand, India, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Syria, Iraq, Egypt, Libya, Tunisia and a few times per year in western nations.

When was the last time a 'poor oppressed Latino' went killing people in name of God ? Or went ' E nomini patros, e fili e spiritu-sanctus *STAB STAB STAB*' ???

When was the last time a Hindu did that in USA or UK or Finland or Germany ???

You do your religion no favors by in denial of its ills. The world has woken up to Islamic extremism. Whatever you want to blame the cause on ( evil 'westerners meddling in Islamic heartland/ignorant savages twisting your faith/poor oppressed people who have no alternative, etc'), the problem exists.

As they say, first step to recovery is acceptance. And you are yet to accept, which means you are yet to help your faith bretheren reform the extremists in between them.

 

[Hitman]

Just order some stuff for my girl after reading this thread. I almost forgot the date, thanks to this thread for reminding me.

 

[MenInG]

Like Fathers/Mothers day, I refuse to confine my respect for my lifepartner to one day, Valentines Day, which is dictated by Hallmark.

 

[UN talkz]

Like Fathers/Mothers day, I refuse to confine my respect for my lifepartner to one day, Valentines Day, which is dictated by Hallmark.

Potw

 

[Suleiman]

Extremistan back at it again. First giving out fines to male and female students for talking to each at universities now this.

 

[pakistani pride]

Pathetic.
Country has lots of other important issues but lets ban this day... LOL.

 

[Snak3eye5]

Like Fathers/Mothers day, I refuse to confine my respect for my lifepartner to one day, Valentines Day, which is dictated by Hallmark.

It’s not just for you’re partner. I usually get flowers for my mom too and a gift. I agree it shouldn’t be about one day but it’s the thought that matters.

 

[ExpressPacer]

Why are people so against Valentine's Day anyway? Religious ot otherwise? I think it's a beautiful way to express your love towards your partner.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

What more can you expect from a bunch of patriarchal, manipulative, hypocritical, nonsensical, sadists? Thanks to the media, we now know that people in Pakistan would rather celebrate the death anniversary of murderers than the Valentine’s Day.

Which murderers get a day in Pakistan celebrated in their name by patriarchal, manipulative, hypocritical, nonsensical, sadists Angrez Pakistani?

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Good. Covering your entire face is a security risk. Last I checked, you can't walk around in most of those countries with a full ski-mask either.



Good. Its called equality and secularism. Last I checked, they don't allow breaks for Jewish prayers, Christian prayers or Hindu prayers either. So why do you think its discrimination, when special treatment is not meted out to you ?!



Ok. Well we have Islamist groups blowing stuff up in Phillipines, Thailand, India, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Syria, Iraq, Egypt, Libya, Tunisia and a few times per year in western nations.

When was the last time a 'poor oppressed Latino' went killing people in name of God ? Or went ' E nomini patros, e fili e spiritu-sanctus *STAB STAB STAB*' ???

When was the last time a Hindu did that in USA or UK or Finland or Germany ???

You do your religion no favors by in denial of its ills. The world has woken up to Islamic extremism. Whatever you want to blame the cause on ( evil 'westerners meddling in Islamic heartland/ignorant savages twisting your faith/poor oppressed people who have no alternative, etc'), the problem exists.

As they say, first step to recovery is acceptance. And you are yet to accept, which means you are yet to help your faith bretheren reform the extremists in between them.

Excellent post.

If you live in Rome.....

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Extremistan back at it again. First giving out fines to male and female students for talking to each at universities now this.

We have some colleges here in TN which are similarly strict.

It's hilarious. More like jail. Poor kids.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Excellent post.

If you live in Rome.....

Does that mean you support the ban on Valentine's day?

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Does that mean you support the ban on Valentine's day?

Different issues.

Do I support the ban? No.

Does Pakistan have the rights to ban and outsiders have to follow the law? Yes.

 

[marlonbrowndo]

Ofcourse men will be angry when it comes to spending money and gets nothing in return.

Oh we get plenty in return

 

[Saeed]

Government should focus on things that matter but its not end of the world. Businesses can promote their products on two Eids and other holidays.

 

[kingusama92]

Like Fathers/Mothers day, I refuse to confine my respect for my lifepartner to one day, Valentines Day, which is dictated by Hallmark.

I'm using this one for all upcoming birthdays too.

 

[Alam_dar]

It has little to do with the Government of Pakistan.

But it has more to do with the Mullah power in Pakistan, and State of Pakistan is HOSTAGE in their hands now, and thus it has to obey them.

These fanatic Mullahs have infiltrated in the prestigious Universities and all other organizations of Pakistan.

Worst, these fanatic Mullahs are present in the high courts of Pakistan as judges and they are actually ordering the State of Pakistan how to run Pakistan, what to allow and what to ban.


Mullah criticize that millions of Rs are spent on flowers and presents on Valentines day.

But this Mullah forget that 100 times more money is spent in festival like Baqr-Eid where millions of animals are slaughtered wastefully.

Flowers don't cost much, while presents are symbols of love. But Baqr-Eid is costing 100 times more for having love of Sheep.

 

[AssassinatedDevil]

I But this Mullah forget that 100 times more money is spent in festival like Baqr-Eid where millions of animals are slaughtered wastefully.

Unsure what you mean here. Are you saying that eid-al-adha is waste of money since millions of animals sacrificed?

 

[Saeed]

It has little to do with the Government of Pakistan.

But it has more to do with the Mullah power in Pakistan, and State of Pakistan is HOSTAGE in their hands now, and thus it has to obey them.

These fanatic Mullahs have infiltrated in the prestigious Universities and all other organizations of Pakistan.

Worst, these fanatic Mullahs are present in the high courts of Pakistan as judges and they are actually ordering the State of Pakistan how to run Pakistan, what to allow and what to ban.


Mullah criticize that millions of Rs are spent on flowers and presents on Valentines day.

But this Mullah forget that 100 times more money is spent in festival like Baqr-Eid where millions of animals are slaughtered wastefully.

Flowers don't cost much, while presents are symbols of love. But Baqr-Eid is costing 100 times more for having love of Sheep.

Mullah are literally running the secular Regime of Syria too by providing manpower, you don’t seem to have problem with that?

 

[Alam_dar]

Mullah are literally running the secular Regime of Syria too by providing manpower, you don’t seem to have problem with that?

While I am against the Iranian Mullahs and not against the poor people of Syria who suffer at the hands of fanatic Mullahs of Jihadist Ikhwan and ISIS who are many times bigger evils than Iranian Mullahs.

And also while Israel is not a humanity loving force, but it is also a religious force and want to make greater Israel only due to it's religious madness.

 

[Alam_dar]

Unsure what you mean here. Are you saying that eid-al-adha is waste of money since millions of animals sacrificed?

I firmly believe in it that killing millions of animals in one day is the waste of resources. Result comes only in form of diseases due to over eating, and also prices of meat sky rockets for rest of whole year while not enough animals left for the rest of 11 months.

Therefore poor people, and even the middle class people are unable to buy meat during whole year due to the very high prices.

 

[chacha kashmiri]

Not the massive deals it made out to be

U either have young Asians castrated for rebelling against their parents and wanting to celebrate it
Or you have Asians castrated for being backward and not letting young people show love in a world where lust and lucifer are present

It’s probably as big day as the anniversary of the battle of mutah

Obviously under the leadership of Sultan Erdogan , European Muslims have to play a big part either in propogating it or combating those who use the day to bed innocent young victims


Personally I remember as a 17 year old it was the day I was going to book a hotel room, never transpired though. I think I got a box of chocolates instead

 

[DeadBall]

Personally I remember as a 17 year old it was the day I was going to book a hotel room, never transpired though. I think I got a box of chocolates instead

From whom? Aren't you the one supposed to be giving the chocolates?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Not the massive deals it made out to be

U either have young Asians castrated for rebelling against their parents and wanting to celebrate it
Or you have Asians castrated for being backward and not letting young people show love in a world where lust and lucifer are present

It’s probably as big day as the anniversary of the battle of mutah

Obviously under the leadership of Sultan Erdogan , European Muslims have to play a big part either in propogating it or combating those who use the day to bed innocent young victims


Personally I remember as a 17 year old it was the day I was going to book a hotel room, never transpired though. I think I got a box of chocolates instead

Hope it was a good box of chocolates.

 

[Alam_dar]

European Muslims are not going to make any change as there is wave among European Muslims where are turning against celebrating Valentines day and against wishing on birthday and Christmas.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

European Muslims are not going to make any change as there is wave among European Muslims where are turning against celebrating Valentines day and against wishing on birthday and Christmas.

The black flag of Islam will be raised in Paris atop the Eifel tower by by the European Muslims. Valentines Day will only be celebrated in Asia by the turn of 2023.

 

[TM Riddle]

Hope it was a good box of chocolates.

) What has gotten into Chacha these days?

 

[KingKhanWC]

Why are people so against Valentine's Day anyway? Religious ot otherwise? I think it's a beautiful way to express your love towards your partner.

What's so beautiful about expressing your love on a day which is commercially driven? Why not do this on any day you want?

 

[Deewana Mastana]

Valentine's is way more celebrated in Pakistan than it is in the West mostly.

 

[Gilly]

What's so beautiful about expressing your love on a day which is commercially driven? Why not do this on any day you want?

How commercially driven valentines day is up to the individual, we tend to live a faster pace and sometimes overlook the little things in life. You can celebrate valentines day just by having a quiet dinner with your wife and making the time time to appreciate your relationship at no cost or you can indulge in flowers, chocolates and dinning out, its all up to how far you want to go.

Its just a time to reflect on your relationship and maybe say some things that just go unsaid for too long, we get comfortable and its just a reset button so that you dont forget to let your loved one know you do love them.

 

[indipper]

I firmly believe in it that killing millions of animals in one day is the waste of resources. Result comes only in form of diseases due to over eating, and also prices of meat sky rockets for rest of whole year while not enough animals left for the rest of 11 months.

Therefore poor people, and even the middle class people are unable to buy meat during whole year due to the very high prices.

The sacrifice was originally meant to distribute the meat among poors. But we got into the habit of freezing the meat for our own consumption instead. May Allah guide us.

 

[Alam_dar]

The sacrifice was originally meant to distribute the meat among poors. But we got into the habit of freezing the meat for our own consumption instead. May Allah guide us.

Sacrifice was unfortunately always the waste of resources.

Thanks to fridges and Cargo Planes that meat is not being wasted so much as it happened in the past centuries.

Today Saudi Arabia is able to send millions of tons of meat of sacrifice through Cargo planes, which was not possible in the earlier centuries.

Still today fridges have smaller compartment for freezing the meats. So, all meat is eaten in first week or two.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Sacrifice was unfortunately always the waste of resources.

Thanks to fridges and Cargo Planes that meat is not being wasted so much as it happened in the past centuries.

Today Saudi Arabia is able to send millions of tons of meat of sacrifice through Cargo planes, which was not possible in the earlier centuries.

Still today fridges have smaller compartment for freezing the meats. So, all meat is eaten in first week or two.

This has to be the most romantic post in the thread so far, so fitting to commemorate this beautiful occasion.

 

[Alam_dar]

To be truthful, I feel there is absolutely NO concept of LOVE (between boy and girl) in Religion.

This angle of religion is difficult to digest as it is against the NATURE, which makes boys and girls of same age fell in love with each other.


(1) Girls were married (Nikah) even before they reach the age of puberty.
Aisha got married at age of 6 years (although marriage was consumed at age of 9).

It is difficult to accept the consummation of marriage at 9 years.

But most confusing part is Nikah at age of 6 years, which means girl is almost a baby and could not even give her consent. Her father marrying her at his own.

Love is the most beautiful part of the life.

But such 6 years old girl will never get a chance to grow older and to indulge in any love of her own choice.


(2) In fact you could not stop love.
I am afraid even if small children are married, but sooner or later, when they grow up, they are going to indulge in love with some one other, especially if the marriage partners are not in the same age group.

This is simple Nature. People get in love with those who are in their age group and have same mental age.


(3) And even if young girls are not married, still in real religious Society there is absolutely prohibition of any girl of 9+ years of age to meet any boy, or to talk with him, to understand him, to fell in love with him.
This "felling in love" part of human nature is heavily suppressed in such religious society.

Does religion really succeeds in suppressing the nature? I don't think so.

Love will revolt.

Love will always be a Rebel against religion, even if it is for a short period of time.

This love rebellion has nothing to do with Valentine's day, but it has to do with the Human NATURE.

 

[saeedhk]

Goes on to show the priorities of our government and people and the general direction this nation is heading.

 

[Gubol123]

To be truthful, I feel there is absolutely NO concept of LOVE (between boy and girl) in Religion.

This angle of religion is difficult to digest as it is against the NATURE, which makes boys and girls of same age fell in love with each other.


(1) Girls were married (Nikah) even before they reach the age of puberty.
Aisha got married at age of 6 years (although marriage was consumed at age of 9).

It is difficult to accept the consummation of marriage at 9 years.

But most confusing part is Nikah at age of 6 years, which means girl is almost a baby and could not even give her consent. Her father marrying her at his own.

Love is the most beautiful part of the life.

But such 6 years old girl will never get a chance to grow older and to indulge in any love of her own choice.


(2) In fact you could not stop love.
I am afraid even if small children are married, but sooner or later, when they grow up, they are going to indulge in love with some one other, especially if the marriage partners are not in the same age group.

This is simple Nature. People get in love with those who are in their age group and have same mental age.


(3) And even if young girls are not married, still in real religious Society there is absolutely prohibition of any girl of 9+ years of age to meet any boy, or to talk with him, to understand him, to fell in love with him.
This "felling in love" part of human nature is heavily suppressed in such religious society.

Does religion really succeeds in suppressing the nature? I don't think so.

Love will revolt.

Love will always be a Rebel against religion, even if it is for a short period of time.

This love rebellion has nothing to do with Valentine's day, but it has to do with the Human NATURE.

Not sure about Islam, but Hinduism has Love as major part of its mythology. Krishna/Radha, Krishna/Rukmi, Shiva/Parvathi, Shiva/Gange, Manmatha/Rathi, etc. Infact there is already a God/Angel of love in Hinduism called Manmatha.. So general statement is wrong though it might be true in Islam as i am not fully familiar with it