Shadab is one of his best strikers??He sent his best ball strikers in. At least he knows his limitations or maybe Kirsten does. This was a no-win situation for him. He wouldn’t be able to hit boundaries when needed to save his life.
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Shadab is one of his best strikers??He sent his best ball strikers in. At least he knows his limitations or maybe Kirsten does. This was a no-win situation for him. He wouldn’t be able to hit boundaries when needed to save his life.
I think he didn't want to bat in the super over.Azam Khan should have come 1 down in the super over.
It’s you who thinks Babar and Rizwan are the best batsmen in Pakistan. Where were they hiding when Pakistan needed them to step up?Shadab is one of his best strikers??
It’s you who thinks Babar and Rizwan are the best batsmen in Pakistan. Where were they hiding when Pakistan needed them to step up?
He 100% deserves to be bashed for the loss.I can't believe people are bashing Amir for this loss. It was the best decision to bowl him, and you take what comes with your best decisions. It's only because of Amir that Pak even came close to victory, before Rauf blew it in the last over. Amir's last 3 overs were absolutely brilliant and his last 2 were crucial to bringing Pakistan back into the game. Great cutters and yorkers.
Yes, the super over was horrible. He didn't execute his plans well. But there are bigger problems to address. Azam Khan and Shadab should not even be near the side. The fielding needs to improve. The PP needs to be utilized better. All these things need to be worked on. Hats off to Amir today. Even his pace was up. That was the quickest I've seen him bowl in many years
He 100% deserves to be bashed for the loss.
The guy flopped and choked against some amateurs to the extent he forgot how to land the ball in the right areas. His pace being up is no consolation for chucking everything outside off.
My man? He was one of the reasons why you actually made it to a super over in the first place. pakistan should have lost that game before it.We're was your man Amir when they needed him to step up ?
I would have preferred to loose in the actual match than in the super over.My man? He was one of the reasons why you actually made it to a super over in the first place. pakistan should have lost that game before it.
There are other culprits too, infact all of the team except Shadab Khan and Naseem Shah were very poor.I don't think you can solely blame Amir I can proberly think of 5/6 players who are equally to be blamed.
Shadab is one of his best strikers??
Shadab still bowled crap but he batted well.There are other culprits too, infact all of the team except Shadab Khan and Naseem Shah were very poor.
However, we need to look at the super over in isolation as a stand alone event. At this point the events of the match don't matter. It's a fresh start and he failed to deliver. Amir really lost the plot here and led us to a historic defeat.
If you watched this year's PSL Shaheen was promoting himself to no 4 in the batting order when he was captain. The whole team is a toxic mix of delusion and stupidity, these are exactly the sort of decisions they produce on a regular basis.
You said it yourself. They're amateurs, and they were allowed to keep us to 159 and even tie the score chasing. You look at the regulation game before anything. The super over doesn't happen without the regulation game. And the fact of the matter is, Amir was brilliant, and we wouldn't even be talking about the super over bc had it not been for Amir, USA wouldn't have required all 20 overs to chase down the score.He 100% deserves to be bashed for the loss.
The guy flopped and choked against some amateurs to the extent he forgot how to land the ball in the right areas. His pace being up is no consolation for chucking everything outside off.
Yes Amir led us to it. Not your openers who failed, lower order that failed, fielders who misfielded on a regular basis, Shadab who bowled trash, Ifti who bowled trash, Rauf that couldn't defend 14 against "amateurs", Shaheen who could not buy a wicket, among othersThere are other culprits too, infact all of the team except Shadab Khan and Naseem Shah were very poor.
However, we need to look at the super over in isolation as a stand alone event. At this point the events of the match don't matter. It's a fresh start and he failed to deliver. Amir really lost the plot here and led us to a historic defeat.
If your silver lining is that Amir's bowling took us to the super over, then thats fine.You said it yourself. They're amateurs, and they were allowed to keep us to 159 and even tie the score chasing. You look at the regulation game before anything. The super over doesn't happen without the regulation game. And the fact of the matter is, Amir was brilliant, and we wouldn't even be talking about the super over bc had it not been for Amir, USA wouldn't have required all 20 overs to chase down the score.
You seem to think that criticism of Amir automatically absolves others of their blame. Nobody is suggesting thatYes Amir led us to it. Not your openers who failed, lower order that failed, fielders who misfielded on a regular basis, Shadab who bowled trash, Ifti who bowled trash, Rauf that couldn't defend 14 against "amateurs", Shaheen who could not buy a wicket, among others
No that's not my only silver lining. Amir pretty much brought us over the line. It was Rauf's last over and Babar's captaincy that didn't put a fielder in long on when 5 runs were required that took us to the super over.If your silver lining is that Amir's bowling took us to the super over, then thats fine.
but we can't just disregard the super over. The super-over is part of the match. It's arguably the most important part of the match and he well and trully bottled it.
I simply disagree with them being equally culpable in the bigger picture. But agree to disagree, if that's your opinionYou seem to think that criticism of Amir automatically absolves others of their blame. Nobody is suggesting that
I put Amir, Haris Rauf and Babar as equally culpable. The only players who did somewhat ok are Naseem and Shadab with the bat.
That's fine but Azam khan should have come in at 3 even if he has been poor his role is that of power hitting (apprently)
Unlike this popular opinion, I don't think they NEED to come out to bat just bc they're the openers. We know and they know that there are better hitters in the team. They don't go open the batting because they think they're the greatest hitters on the team. Same with most teams like SA, India, etc., we know batters like De Kock, Reeza, Kohli, aren't going to go out to bat the super over.This superover brutally exposed the team and its mindset.
If Babar and Rizwan are openers, why didn't they come out to bat?
After conceding so many runs in the super over, Babar Azam should have faced the music and come out to bat. Even if 19 to win was a tall order, go down fighting and leading your team. A very cowardly move imho for him to sit this one out.
Basically Amir brought us back in the match and then he lost it in the Super over. No one else really to blame except maybe having Fakhar face the first ball but 19 was a very tall ask anyway, so don't think that would have made much of a difference with him hitting to the longer boundary on the leg side.
Chacha is a middle aged man pretending to be a batsman. He has no agility, skills or mental toughness to succeed at this level. He needs booted forever.He is not, because he is not a finisher plain and simple nor a striker and both Muhammad haris and tayyab can strike better then he can if they play at no 6 or 7.
Chacha is a middle order batter pretending to be a finisher because he's a very very poor mo batter and he can hide behind the excuse that you're hiding behind which is we don't have anyone else, he's best suited.
Even imad wasim is better them chacha at 6, imad sucks at hitting a 6 but he has no issue going at 200 sr at no 6
He threw the match away giving 3 wides in a super over . Bottled it to be kind
He 100% deserves to be bashed for the loss.
The guy flopped and choked against some amateurs to the extent he forgot how to land the ball in the right areas. His pace being up is no consolation for chucking everything outside off.
By that logic Iftikhar shouldn't have come in the super over as he hasn't been that great.To be honest I don't care if he's scared to return home he's in the xi as a hitter.That all looks fine in theory, but who the hell would put Azam Khan in a crucial over after the disastrous performances he's produced today and in recent games? In the old days he'd have been scared to return home and face the wrath of the public, these days no one cares enough about cricket or much else in Pakistan.
You are not thinking rationally. Most T20I openers in the world will not be the two batsmen to walk out for their team in the Super Over.Obviously.
As I said, blaming Amir and then perhaps Imad in next match will take the heat off Babar and his supporters.
The coward should at least have had the courage to man up and face the Super Over once it was established Pakistan were chasing 18 to get close to a tie.
What is the WORLD CLASS BATSMEN that REGULARLY OPENS FOR PAKISTAN DOING HIDING BEHIND MIDDLE ORDER BATSMEN?
But hey, let's bash Amir and walk away with a smirk.
You are not thinking rationally. Most T20I openers in the world will not be the two batsmen to walk out for their team in the Super Over.
Just because you open in T20Is doesn’t mean that you are also necessarily the most aggressive of destructive batsman in the team.
For example, India opened with Rohit and Kohli in this World Cup but if they have a Super Over, they will send Pant or Pandya or SKY ahead of Kohli.
So if that happens, will you shout at Kohli in Caps Lock, claiming that why the world class batsman is hiding behind middle-order batsmen?
In fact, England is probably the only team in this tournament whose two openers will also be the two players to bat in a Super Over.
In such a scenario, it’s likely you’ll need a couple of sixes . The biggest , strongest hitters have to be sent out inc your form batter to face . Pakistan don’t have many , the team is not built on modern t-20 levels or understanding. It’s a boys club to enjoy the lifestyle, It’s not a professional sporting outfit but a political organisation where control is more important than competing .
One could write a book on this match today , everything was done worse than schoolboy level , almost as if they wanted to lose . No implication, it was just that poor
Ifthikhar is pathetic! Goes towards off to play wide ball and looks at the umpire for wide call! He has no knowledge in cricketNot to mention sending Ifti out. Fakhar should have gone on strike with Usman Khan at the other end
You are not answering my question.Kohli and Rohit are not openers pretending to be anchors.
Infact, if Kohli and Rohit came out to chase 18 against USA, they would deliver 10 times out of 10.
NO, BAD idea to give Amir the Super over!looooool such a horrible team
choking over with so many wides
then iftikhar opening
then shadab coming in
i dont think we have played enough super overs maybe thats why dumb decisions were made
You are not answering my question.
Should Kohli open or not open in this World Cup, knowing that if there is a Super Over, he will not be coming out to bat?
If you are criticizing Babar and Rizwan for not batting in the Super Over, are you implying that you shouldn’t be opening in this format if you are not gonna bat in the Super Over?
Does that mean that apart from perhaps England, every single team has got the wrong opening pair? Are you comfortable making this statement?
If you disagree with this premise, please list the openers in this World Cup who will also be batting in the Super Over.
Funny comment amir Is the one who got pakistan back in the game otherwise pakistan lost it way backHe 100% deserves to be bashed for the loss.
The guy flopped and choked against some amateurs to the extent he forgot how to land the ball in the right areas. His pace being up is no consolation for chucking everything outside off.
Ye but but but rizwan and babar are the best players in the team never know we could have won the super over with the best players in the pakistan teamYou are not answering my question.
Should Kohli open or not open in this World Cup, knowing that if there is a Super Over, he will not be coming out to bat?
If you are criticizing Babar and Rizwan for not batting in the Super Over, are you implying that you shouldn’t be opening in this format if you are not gonna bat in the Super Over?
Does that mean that apart from perhaps England, every single team has got the wrong opening pair? Are you comfortable making this statement?
If you disagree with this premise, please list the openers in this World Cup who will also be batting in the Super Over.
Funny comment amir Is the one who got pakistan back in the game otherwise pakistan lost it way back
Had harris not given a boundary or shaheen dropped a sitter in the last over we wouldn't have been playing the super over
I am exposing your agenda here.If your point is that Rizwan and Babar shouldn't be asked to bat in Super Over, because Kohli and Rohit aren't asked to bat in Super Over despite opening than you are either deliberately ignoring the problem or you are genuinely are clueless about cricket.
This is down to Babar he was the captain of the team on the ground and it was his shoutPAKISTAN THICK TANK:
This is not down to Babar Azam, its down to the entire "Thick" Tank!
- Mohammad Amir is "officially" and when he bowled the 19th over, he had no reason to keep anything in the tank and physically he gave it all. He was physically exhausted and mentally shattered in the Super Over
- Saurabh Naresh Netravalkar is a left-arm bowler who is getting some swing so Pakistan send in left handed Fakhar who spent the entire time on the other end
- Azam Khan cant bowl, can't keep so he is in the team "supposedly" for his hitting ability and he doesn't come out in the Super over and that tells volumes about Management confidence in Azam Khan
Lets say that Babar has no strategic planning or brains OR his mind was occupied, what was the Coach & others doing? Not defending Babar he is clearly out of his depth as a Captain but where is the input of the rest???This is down to Babar he was the captain of the team on the ground and it was his shout
He 100% deserves to be bashed for the loss.
The guy flopped and choked against some amateurs to the extent he forgot how to land the ball in the right areas. His pace being up is no consolation for chucking everything outside off.
I am exposing your agenda here.
You were criticizing Babar and Rizwan for opening when they are not going to bat in the Super Over but you are not comfortable extending this logic to the other openers in this World Cup who will also not bat in the Super Over, for example, Kohli.
You are clearly afraid of criticizing Kohli for opening in this World Cup when India has more dynamic and aggressive players batting below him. What are yiu afraid of him?
Clearly, you don’t have a problem with openers not batting in the Super Over. You were just using this example as a facade to drive your agenda against Babar and Rizwan and you are now subjecting to terms & conditions after getting called out for it.
Amir must share the blame. He is the most experienced and accomplished Pakistani bowler in ICC tournaments and he gets flummoxed by a left hander in the Super over resulting in 3 wides and of course 3 extra balls?
18 runs and only 11 coming off the bat.
6th June 2024 will be a day of infamy in Pakistan cricket.
this is what we been saying babar isn't capable of captaincy lets change him for someone who knows what he's doing and doesn't have to keep running to the coach and othersLets say that Babar has no strategic planning or brains OR his mind was occupied, what was the Coach & others doing? Not defending Babar he is clearly out of his depth as a Captain but where is the input of the rest???
Yes because of Amir.All because of Amir.
And we are to assume that had Amir not played the game, his replacement would have taken 5-15 in 4 overs and ran through the USA team.
Yes because of Amir.
You can assume all you want, other prefer to deal with reality.
Babar has every right. He is the captain, and there are no alternatives.Lol.
I actually want Amir and Imad to sit out next game and see what dross you fans come up with next.
Maybe the color of lipstick wasn't correct so Pakistan lost?
Its so easier to point fingers at someone you don't like rather than face the reality that the leader of the team is a coward who has no right to lead the team and play as an opener.
all because of amirYes because of Amir.
You can assume all you want, others prefer to deal with reality.
Babar has every right. He is the captain, and there are no alternatives.
Deal with it.
all because of amir
nice 100 run partnership by babar and rizwan at the opening slot
nice 50 run partnership by shadab and iftikhar
wow what a 5 wicket haul for shaheen and a nice hat trick by naseem shah
oh damn amir spoilt the party and we lost![]()
Please get out of here with this nonsense. We're not an amateur side anymore. Every single one of those cricketers is paid to be a full-time cricketer, if they want to have a second job on the side that's up to them but their salaries are more than sufficient to support being a full-time player.You said it yourself. They're amateurs, and they were allowed to keep us to 159 and even tie the score chasing. You look at the regulation game before anything. The super over doesn't happen without the regulation game. And the fact of the matter is, Amir was brilliant, and we wouldn't even be talking about the super over bc had it not been for Amir, USA wouldn't have required all 20 overs to chase down the score.
Leaders lead by example.
Not lack of, thereof.
41@130 is a pretty good example, one which your picks don't even come close to.
No alternatives. No argument. No point.
Do you have the guts to say the same about Misbah on 2007 final?My man? He was one of the reasons why you actually made it to a super over in the first place. pakistan should have lost that game before it.
Well today his average helped otherwise Pakistan were all out below 130.He can take that average to his grave for all I care.
Numbers that have not helped Pakistan win anything for the last 7 years.
Well today his average helped otherwise Pakistan were all out below 130
And there is no evidence to the contrary.Now look who is talking about reality and fiction.
There is no evidence that if he had got out on 7, the team would have been 130 all out.
we got in the super over because of harris last ball 4 and a dropped catch by shaheenNot sure what you are bleating on about but yes, because of Amir, he bottled it in the super over.
Reminder : 18 runs, 11 off the bat.
Yes, he has a strike rate of 140+, better than others.Shadab is one of his best strikers??
You are not answering my question.
Should Kohli open or not open in this World Cup, knowing that if there is a Super Over, he will not be coming out to bat?
If you are criticizing Babar and Rizwan for not batting in the Super Over, are you implying that you shouldn’t be opening in this format if you are not gonna bat in the Super Over?
Does that mean that apart from perhaps England, every single team has got the wrong opening pair? Are you comfortable making this statement?
If you disagree with this premise, please list the openers in this World Cup who will also be batting in the Super Over.
I don't think Babar should bat as an opener to start with. I know this thread is about super over, but Babar was too slow against USA. Almost half innings was done and he was still in single digits despite coming as an opener. I think he should care less about average and hit some shots. 25(16) will be far more helpful for team than 40(40) kind of knocks. First 6 overs are also the easiest time to bat and if you can't hit then no point in coming as an opener.India would base their decisions on strike rate and averages but chacha has an even lower sr in t20 then babar despite batting at no 7 where batting strike rates are usually very high
Babar and fakhar should have walked out plain and simple or at the very least babar at no 3.
Amir failed at the crunch moment. Those wides were inexcusable.I can't believe people are bashing Amir for this loss. It was the best decision to bowl him, and you take what comes with your best decisions. It's only because of Amir that Pak even came close to victory, before Rauf blew it in the last over. Amir's last 3 overs were absolutely brilliant and his last 2 were crucial to bringing Pakistan back into the game. Great cutters and yorkers.
Yes, the super over was horrible. He didn't execute his plans well. But there are bigger problems to address. Azam Khan and Shadab should not even be near the side. The fielding needs to improve. The PP needs to be utilized better. All these things need to be worked on. Hats off to Amir today. Even his pace was up. That was the quickest I've seen him bowl in many years
Funny comment amir Is the one who got pakistan back in the game otherwise pakistan lost it way back
Had harris not given a boundary or shaheen dropped a sitter in the last over we wouldn't have been playing the super over
100% true. Some of the excuses coming up here are laughable. Clear agenda based posting.Yes because of Amir.
You can assume all you want, others prefer to deal with reality.