Pakistan's population explosion. Is it the biggest threat to the country's survival?

[Musakhel]

That's why government should have socialist policies favouring birthrates even when men/women work (that's nowadays the main reason they don't have children.) Al Qadhafi for instance used to give subsidies with every birth, pay for maternity care, buy a new house/apartment for newly married couple, etc etc it's caliph 'Umar Ibn Al Khattab (ra) who came up with what we'd today call a welfare state.

That's what they are doing in japan and russia.

 

[enkidu_]

That's what they are doing in japan and russia.

I know for Putin's Russia (even though many critics say that basically he didn't upgrade the Russian fertility rate, but brought back those Russians still living in Central Asia), whereas for Japan ? I was under the impression that they basically abandoned all hopes and are now banking on robots.

In the Gulf too they didn't implement national-socialist policies as caliph 'Umar (ra).

 

[MABA]

Actually this type of thinking was prominent among the Pre Islamic Arabs they would kill their children out of fear of poverty, This is the level we have regressed too, Do you guys even Read the Quran? Allah instructs us not to kill children for fear of poverty And Our Prophet(PBUH) said that he does not fear poverty for His Ummah rather That love of this World would result in our failure.

No one is saying that we should kill children, rather that there should be education in terms of family planning so people don't breed like rabbits and wait for god to provide for the whole bunch of them. I am sorry but its fairly obvious when you look at the conditions of most Muslim countries that god is not coming to help out any time soon. The faster people begin to depend on themselves and not rely on "god" the better off they will be.

 

[Slog]

Apparently the population is around 220mn as per unofficial census results

A good 20mn more than expected

So our population growth rate has been GREATER than what was assumed which was pretty high to begin with

 

[DW44]

So much for the nonsense about falling fertility rates. Population growth rates in Pakistan since 1998 have been higher than in the 50s, 70s and the period leading up to the 1998 census, a mind boggling feat especially compared to the massive drops in growth rates worldwide and in our neighbirhood. Molvis have the nation in a vise grip, they say jump and 220 million sheep ask how high.

 

[shah_1]

So much for the nonsense about falling fertility rates. Population growth rates in Pakistan since 1998 have been higher than in the 50s, 70s and the period leading up to the 1998 census, a mind boggling feat especially compared to the massive drops in growth rates worldwide and in our neighbirhood. Molvis have the nation in a vise grip, they say jump and 220 million sheep ask how high.

Another interesting stat according to this tweet

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Ashar Jawad‏
[MENTION=131917]Ashar[/MENTION]Jawad
Census 2017, unofficial result
Provincial population rise:
Punjab 52%
Sindh 68%
KP 75%
Balochistan 78%
Alarming rates, especially in KP/Bal.

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The growth rate is inversely proportional to literacy rate

 

[DW44]

Another interesting stat according to this tweet

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Ashar Jawad‏
[MENTION=131917]Ashar[/MENTION]Jawad
Census 2017, unofficial result
Provincial population rise:
Punjab 52%
Sindh 68%
KP 75%
Balochistan 78%
Alarming rates, especially in KP/Bal.

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The growth rate is inversely proportional to literacy rate

Female literacy rate is far more important to population growth than literacy rate in general. The order of that list - Punjab, Sindh, KPK, Balochistan - would remain exactly the same if it was a list of provinces by female literacy rate or a list of provinces in order of how much of a role women have in public life.

 

[mmkextreme_1]

When will the official census stats be released?

 

[aloo paratha]

It's always leftist ideologues wanting to impose their views on the poor, if some poor guy want's to have 5 kids than so be it, Last I checked pakistan was not some welfare state where the rich and middle class are taxed to pay for the poor.

Yeah, so their children live a low quality life, on the streets, without much food to eat, don't go to school. Sounds good. So be It right.

 

[Slog]

Another interesting stat according to this tweet

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Ashar Jawad‏
[MENTION=131917]Ashar[/MENTION]Jawad
Census 2017, unofficial result
Provincial population rise:
Punjab 52%
Sindh 68%
KP 75%
Balochistan 78%
Alarming rates, especially in KP/Bal.

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The growth rate is inversely proportional to literacy rate

Not sure whether this is the best measure

Sindh (mainly Karachi) for example has seen HUGE increase in population courtesy migration into the province from KPK and Punjab.

 

[shah_1]

Not sure whether this is the best measure

Sindh (mainly Karachi) for example has seen HUGE increase in population courtesy migration into the province from KPK and Punjab.

Karachi population 9.7 million and now 17 million, bhai that's only 43% increase so again prove the point . Illteracy is all time high in Rural Sindh

 

[saeedhk]

Pakistan population crosses 210 million; an increase of nearly 80 million in the last two decades.Lahore's population reaches 12 million while Karachi's population stands at 17 million.

This is the largest threat facing Pakistan but the least talked and discussed about.

 

[saeedhk]

ASK people around you to identify the three greatest threats facing Pakistan. Ordinary people, chatterbox anchors, mullahs, generals and politicians will name everything from corruption, bad governance and religious terrorism, to Indian and American conspiracies, and general moral decay.

But few, if any, waste sleep worrying about the country’s exploding population. Some educated people do have misgivings, but they show concern only when prodded - Pervez Hoodboy

 

[troodon]

Population explosion is the biggest threat that both India and Pakistan are facing. Yet nobody talks about it.

 

[Slog]

Population explosion is the biggest threat that both India and Pakistan are facing. Yet nobody talks about it.

India's growth rate has comparatively been under control

 

[troodon]

India's growth rate has comparatively been under control

Its been under control. But the momentum is going to take us well past 150 crores. There is no stopping that.

Now Indians are going to have 2 kids per family. Which means the population will stabilize at around 160 crores which is too many people and those excess people will never have good quality life.

Unless all couples start having 1 kid per family, the population will not fall. India some how has to get back to about 70-80 crore people.

 

[Slog]

Unless all couples start having 1 kid per family, the population will not fall. India some how has to get back to about 70-80 crore people.

Lol there are only 2 ways that is happening:

1) Major disease outbreak + natural disasters
2) Some regions gaining independence from India

Neither is sth Indians would want

 

[Markhor]

The population crisis facing Pakistan is a ticking time bomb. Issues like resource scarcity, unemployment, homelessness and poverty will be made ten times worse through such unsustainable growth.

Sadly any real attempts to control population growth will be met with cries of "This is a conspiracy to reduce the size of the Ummah. Allah de gaa na !"

Even the mullahs of Iran realised the need for a comprehensive programme of birth control in the late 1980s/1990s realising that huge spurts in population growth without a commensurate increase in resources such as schools, housing, hospitals, clean water etc was a recipe for national suicide.

Contraceptives were mass manufactured and distributed free at government health clinics, including thousands set up in rural areas whilst birth control classes were made mandatory before marriage.

Since the 1980s, Iran experienced the largest and fastest drop in fertility ever recorded - from about seven births per woman to fewer than two today. So a template is right on Pakistan's doorstep !

 

[Markhor]

Female literacy rate is far more important to population growth than literacy rate in general. The order of that list - Punjab, Sindh, KPK, Balochistan - would remain exactly the same if it was a list of provinces by female literacy rate or a list of provinces in order of how much of a role women have in public life.

Female empowerment through increased literacy and access to greater career opportunities is one way to reduce birh rates to sustainable levels.

Yet Pakistani women who constitute half of Pakistan's population, perform nearly two-thirds of the work hours, receive one-tenth of the total income and own less than one-hundredth of Pakistan’s property.

Even in Iran, not exactly a haven of secularism, women have far more educational and employment opportunities - so much so that positive discrimination for men at universities is being considered. The mullahs of Pakistan have on the other hand reduced women to below vermin in the food chain.

 

[troodon]

Lol there are only 2 ways that is happening:

1) Major disease outbreak + natural disasters
2) Some regions gaining independence from India

Neither is sth Indians would want

1 kid per family means population will fall at least in the next 100 years. Otherwise, there is no hope (unless science can help us manage such huge population).

 

[DW44]

Female empowerment through increased literacy and access to greater career opportunities is one way to reduce birh rates to sustainable levels.

Yet Pakistani women who constitute half of Pakistan's population, perform nearly two-thirds of the work hours, receive one-tenth of the total income and own less than one-hundredth of Pakistan’s property.

Even in Iran, not exactly a haven of secularism, women have far more educational and employment opportunities - so much so that positive discrimination for men at universities is being considered. The mullahs of Pakistan have on the other hand reduced women to below vermin in the food chain.

The culture here is rotten. Iran has a hardline Islamist government but the average Iranian is not a religious nutjob like the average Pakistani. People often blame the low literacy rates on government incompetence and/or corruption but that only explains why the overall literacy rate is low. The fact that the female literacy rate in Pakistan is so much lower than the male literacy rate suggests that factors outside of government incompetence are at play and even the most casual observer can figure out in relatively short order that the true underlying reason is the low position of women on the food chain and open hostility to female education across large parts of Pakistan.

This is a country where you have to jump through the most ridiculous hoops to legislate against domestic violence because the clergy can cite scripture to back their claims that beating women is justified and any further attempts to legislate against that result in a massive public outcry, even from women. Iran may have their mullahs, just like we do, but they have us beat comprehensively on the cultural attitudes towards women front which is saying something considering Iran is still an Islamic society where the treatment of women is far from ideal.

 

[saeedhk]

Contrary to popular opinion, Iran is not a backward, illiterate nation. It has its priorities right: education, science & technology and female empowerment through educational and employment opportunities. It is the only Muslim nation that actively and aggressively encourages family planning.

 

[yasir]

One main way to get out of poverty is women empowerment, since they are 50% of the society duhhh... Side benefit of that is they are not used as baby making machines for most part

Other problem is that in culture where women are not consider equal to men aka lot of religious and conservative cultures, people keep on producing babies until they get male offspring, how many times we have seen that in Pakistan??

Population planning is constant process, sometimes you have to increase we well, but not for Pakistan, we are one of the worse in population planning...I hate to say but 95% muslim population and their beloved religious culture does not help, well that religious culture is main reason we have no population control

 

[ahmedwaqas92]

How stupid has one got to be to not advocate population control? I mean seriously

 

[Sidilicious]

1 kid per family means population will fall at least in the next 100 years. Otherwise, there is no hope (unless science can help us manage such huge population).

Population fall, even though might seem a positive step, will significantly harm the Indian economy. For now the population needs to be stabilised for the next 50-60 years until we are not dependent on a growing population to keep our economy growing. After that we could bring in the 1 child policy for a while until the population is brought down to 1bn ish, but that could have a huge impact on the economy.

I read somewhere (cont remember the source) that in order to for the planet to sustain the ideal population is approx 3 bn. At 3bn, the planet's energy resources (out of which 80% would be expected to be renewable) would be at an equilibrium.

But unless a serious calamity happens like
1. Another world war
2. Huge disease outbreak globally (like the European plague)

we would never get back to the 3bn level. Our hope is that the human population stabilises at 9bn ish, so that we can at least sustain life but with depleting resources.

 

[Couch Cricketer]

With the automation apocalypse almost here in the next decade countries with below replacement levels of birthrate might actually be better off in the near future. Ai is improving exponentially true self driving cars might be still a decade or so away but closed systems like manufacturing and farming etc can be automated to a huge degree which will hit the 3rd world countries with high population growth rates with more people competing for even fewer jobs.

 

[daytrader]

Pakistan’s population to surge by 56pc to 366m- by 2050, says UN

Report on population: Pakistan’s population to surge by 56pc to 366m- by 2050, says UN
Pakistan is expected to see a 56 per cent increase in population to 366 million individuals by the year 2050


KARACHI: Pakistan is expected to see a 56 per cent increase in population to 366 million individuals by the year 2050. It was revealed in the recently released UN report: ‘World Population Prospects 2022’. The report also projected that the global population, which currently stands at 7.7 billion, will reach 8 billion by the end of 2022.

Despite the declining trend in the overall population growth by one percent, the population peak will hit in 2080, with the world population growing to 10.4 billion. Earlier, the peak was estimated to be hit after the year 2100.

The report also attributes Pakistan as one of the leading contributors to population growth. In 1990, the country, with 114 million people, stood at eighth position in the list of the world’s most populous countries. It has climbed up three spots to reach the fifthfertility issues in married couples and a change in lifestyle.

In May 2022, at the 8th Midsummer Endocrine Updates Conference of the Pakistan Endocrine Society (PES), titled ‘Endocrinology for the Future’, health experts shared that around four million married couples in Pakistan are infertile. There are certain lifestyle changes that are leading to low birth rates. According to a 2014 World Bank report, many Pakistani men showed interest in family planning due to the growing challenges of raising large families.

In his message on World Population Day, which fell on Monday July 11, President Arif Alvi shared: “Council of Common Interests has approved a set of eight recommendations and the National Action Plan (NAP) in consultation with the provincial and regional governments to address the matters related to population in the country inclusively.” The President was hopeful that Pakistan would take every step possible to fulfil its international commitments and implement the CCI’s recommendations and the National Action Plan on population while taking all stakeholders and implementing partners on board.

A 56 per cent increase in Pakistan's population means that it will need to generate more revenue for its healthcare and education budget and other public services. It is also one of the 10 destination countries for refugees and asylum seekers. The country has reported a net outflow of 16.5 million migrant labour between 2010 and 2021.

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