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It seems Pakistan is now regretting its strategic alignment with China and trying to amend its ties with the USA/west. This deserves a thread on its own to discuss the reasons, possibilities and implications.


Stung by ‘issues’ with China-made tech, Pakistan military is back to wooing US for defence

New Delhi: While Pakistan Prime Minister Imran Khan has been escalating his anti-Western rhetoric and alleging a global conspiracy to topple him, the Pakistan military is looking at resetting its ties with Western powers, especially the US — as hinted by Army chief Qamar Javed Bajwa at a seminar this past weekend.

Sources in the Indian defence and security establishment said the Pakistan military is trying to get the country off the Grey List of the Financial Action Task Force (FATF) and is seeking defence cooperation with the West — which has increasingly been refusing to supply equipment and cancelling deals due to Pakistan’s support of terrorism.

According to the sources, this is because Pakistan’s military hasn’t had a good experience with some of the Chinese products they’ve procured.

Some of the Chinese equipment inducted in the past few years, including a main battle tank, artillery and air defence equipment, has been facing a lot of servicing and performance issues, the sources said.

While Pakistan has already signed a contract for a new set of submarines from China, the sources said that denials of defence technology to Pakistan by countries including Germany, besides the US and France, have impacted the country’s defence preparedness.

This included France’s refusal to upgrade its Agosta 90B class submarines with air-independent propulsion (AIP) for the Pakistan Navy, and also to upgrade the fleet of Mirage fighter jets with the Pakistan Air Force.

Germany, too, had refused to upgrade Pakistan’s submarines with AIP technology in 2020.

West must maintain ‘balance’ says Bajwa

Pakistan Army chief Qamar Javed Bajwa highlighted these issues during a talk over the weekend at a seminar.

Responding to a question from the audience about how he sees Pakistan’s security cooperation with China for the next 10 years, the Army chief said that Pakistan was not looking at “camp politics”.

While this was a closed-door event, videos of his speech have cropped up on social media.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Q: How do you see security cooperation with China progressing in the next decade?<br>COAS:<br>▫️We are not looking for camp politics.<br>▫️We had historically excellent relations with US. The good army we have today is largely built and trained by US. The best eqpt we have is US equipment <a href="https://t.co/DLNfVmog1c">pic.twitter.com/DLNfVmog1c</a></p>— Major Adil Raja (R) (@soldierspeaks) <a href="https://twitter.com/soldierspeaks/status/1510983903187972097?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 4, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Gen Bajwa noted that historically, Pakistan has had excellent relations with the US. “The good army we have today is largely built and trained by the US. The best equipment we have is US equipment,” he said.

He said that Pakistan’s military cooperation with China was growing as a result of the West’s denial of equipment.

Many deals that were concluded with the West have been cancelled due to Pakistan’s continued support for terrorism.

Gen Bajwa went on to give the example of the US refusing to give third-party certification for the engines on a Turkish helicopter gunship that the Pakistanis were buying.

He also spoke about the French and the Germans refusing to upgrade Pakistan’s submarines, saying that this forced the country to look towards China.

The French had also refused to upgrade the Pakistan Air Force’s Mirage fighter jets, which the Pakistanis believe was because of pressure from New Delhi, as India is a big defence market.

He added that the West has a responsibility to maintain a “balance”.

“If you are tilted towards one side outrightly, we will find sources from where we can get weapons to save ourselves. You need to carry out introspection, whether your policy is right or not. We have been your allies for a very long time, we were part of SEATO, CENTO and the Baghdad Pact,” he said, referring to defunct Cold War-era alliances.

“We supported you in Vietnam, we supported you in Afghanistan, we helped you dismantle the erstwhile Soviet Union, and the muck you created yesterday, we are trying to clean that. So we have paid a lot of costs. What are you doing about us? I must ask you the question. Are you maintaining a balanced approach or not,” he said.

He said that if the West feels that there is too much Chinese influence in Pakistan, the only way to counter that is by bringing in counter-investment.

Sources explained that Pakistan is slowly trying to get back into the good books of the West, especially the US establishment.

https://theprint.in/india/stung-by-...tary-is-back-to-wooing-us-for-defence/903465/
 
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It is clear that Pakistani military and political elites are aligned to the West and always have been - they were placed in strategic positions by the US in order to serve its interests in the region.

Pakistan brought catastrophe upon itself when it joined 'the war on terror' and allowed NATO conduit routes through its territory. Instead of the US/West being appreciative they designated the Pakistan State a 'sponsor of terrorism' whilst multiple terrorist atrocities occurred. It is pretty obvious that US/Western military presence in Afghanistan was designed, amongst other things, to destabilize the only nuclear-armed Muslim country, as well as their historic enemy, Iran - they succeeded on both counts. They also found a route to the borders of China where they could destabilize Muslim regions in order to weaken the country, slow its rise to economic and military might and ultimately destroy it. But, in this regard the US failed because China is stronger than it realized and because it miscalculated Taliban's ability to drive its forces out of Afghanistan.

The election of Imran Khan has been a source of great concern for the US and its vassals, it has always portrayed him in a negative, anti-Western light - his independence and desire to keep Pakistan free from Western wars and conflicts brings him into direct confrontation with the Military Industrial Complex, which effectively owns and governs the US - no POTUS is independent of it, nor can operate outside its global remit. And, the goal of the MIC is full spectrum dominance - which involves perpetual war. To obtain total global dominance Russia must be destabilized and balkanized, China must be destroyed and Iran regime changed. All of this requires the complicity and participation of Pakistan which is perfectly placed geographically and geopolitically to enable US hegemony to become complete.

The Pakistani Establishment will fight tooth and nail to depose Imran Khan, if he falls so too does Pakistan as an independent, sovereign, Muslim State, it then becomes what it always was, a weak vassal and slave State of the US/West, a beggar pleading for Western acceptance, carrying out its orders and leaving millions of Pakistanis in the state Imran Khan vowed to change, impoverished and illiterate, with only ruling classes having access to health care, education and the wealth/resources of the country.

Everything now is in the hands of Pakistanis, they choose their destiny during the month of Ramadhan and either become servants and slaves of US-backed corrupt, avaricious politicians or they become true Muslim warriors supporting the best leader the Muslim world has seen in a generation. Allah SwT give them the wisdom to make the right choice.
 
This wont help

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The United States on Thursday busted an alleged cell of Pakistan's spy agency ISI trying to intrude into the American intelligence and security apparatus including its high profile Secret Service which is in charge of the security of the President.

Arian Taherzadeh, 40, and Haider Ali, 35, were arrested by the FBI in Southeast Washington on a criminal complaint charging them with the federal offence of False Impersonation of an Officer of the United States.

Four members of the Secret Service have been placed on administrative leave.

During their court appearance on Thursday, Assistant US Attorney Joshua Rothstein told Magistrate Judge G Michael Harvey in the US District Court for the District of Columbia that Haider Ali had told witnesses that he was affiliated with the Inter-Services Intelligence agency in Pakistan.

Ali also had multiple visas from Pakistan and Iran, federal law enforcement officials said.

"We have not verified the accuracy of his claims but Ali made claims to witnesses that he had ties to ISI which is the Pakistani intelligence service," Mr Rothstein told the judge.

Taherzadeh and Ali attempted to use their false and fraudulent affiliation with the Department of Homeland Security to ingratiate themselves with members of federal law enforcement and the defence community.

Specifically, Taherzadeh provided members of the United States Secret Service (USSS) and an employee of DHS with, among other things, rent-free apartments (with a total yearly rent of over USD40,000 per apartment), iPhones, surveillance systems, a drone, a flat-screen television, a case for storing an assault rifle, a generator, and law enforcement paraphernalia.

Taherzadeh also offered these individuals the use of what he represented to be "official government vehicles." In addition, he offered to purchase a USD 2,000 assault rifle for a United Secret Service Agent assigned to the First Lady's protective detail.

As a result of this conduct, four members of the Secret Service were placed on administrative leave pending further investigation, federal prosecutors said.

According to court papers, Taherzadeh and Ali had set up video surveillance in various parts of the apartment complex where they lived in Washington DC.

They represented to residents at the apartment complex that they can access, at any time, the cellular telephones of residents of the apartment complex.

These residents stated that they believe the two had had access to the personal information of all the residents at the apartment complex, court papers say.

Federal prosecutors alleged that Taherzadeh provided gifts or favours to residents, many of whom were members of law enforcement agencies, including the FBI, USSS or DHS, or employees of government agencies, including the Department of Defence and Navy.

For instance, he previously loaned out his "government vehicle" to the wife of one of them, and also provided her with a generator. To another Secret Service agent associated with the White House, he provided a year-long rent-free apartment of USD 48,200.

The two have been ordered to be detained till the next hearing on Friday.

According to The Washington Post, so far, the men are charged only with "false impersonation of a federal officer," though Mr Rothstein said on Thursday that the government would probably add a charge of "conspiracy."

NDTV
 
This wont help

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The United States on Thursday busted an alleged cell of Pakistan's spy agency ISI trying to intrude into the American intelligence and security apparatus including its high profile Secret Service which is in charge of the security of the President.

Arian Taherzadeh, 40, and Haider Ali, 35, were arrested by the FBI in Southeast Washington on a criminal complaint charging them with the federal offence of False Impersonation of an Officer of the United States.

Four members of the Secret Service have been placed on administrative leave.

During their court appearance on Thursday, Assistant US Attorney Joshua Rothstein told Magistrate Judge G Michael Harvey in the US District Court for the District of Columbia that Haider Ali had told witnesses that he was affiliated with the Inter-Services Intelligence agency in Pakistan.

Ali also had multiple visas from Pakistan and Iran, federal law enforcement officials said.

"We have not verified the accuracy of his claims but Ali made claims to witnesses that he had ties to ISI which is the Pakistani intelligence service," Mr Rothstein told the judge.

Taherzadeh and Ali attempted to use their false and fraudulent affiliation with the Department of Homeland Security to ingratiate themselves with members of federal law enforcement and the defence community.

Specifically, Taherzadeh provided members of the United States Secret Service (USSS) and an employee of DHS with, among other things, rent-free apartments (with a total yearly rent of over USD40,000 per apartment), iPhones, surveillance systems, a drone, a flat-screen television, a case for storing an assault rifle, a generator, and law enforcement paraphernalia.

Taherzadeh also offered these individuals the use of what he represented to be "official government vehicles." In addition, he offered to purchase a USD 2,000 assault rifle for a United Secret Service Agent assigned to the First Lady's protective detail.

As a result of this conduct, four members of the Secret Service were placed on administrative leave pending further investigation, federal prosecutors said.

According to court papers, Taherzadeh and Ali had set up video surveillance in various parts of the apartment complex where they lived in Washington DC.

They represented to residents at the apartment complex that they can access, at any time, the cellular telephones of residents of the apartment complex.

These residents stated that they believe the two had had access to the personal information of all the residents at the apartment complex, court papers say.

Federal prosecutors alleged that Taherzadeh provided gifts or favours to residents, many of whom were members of law enforcement agencies, including the FBI, USSS or DHS, or employees of government agencies, including the Department of Defence and Navy.

For instance, he previously loaned out his "government vehicle" to the wife of one of them, and also provided her with a generator. To another Secret Service agent associated with the White House, he provided a year-long rent-free apartment of USD 48,200.

The two have been ordered to be detained till the next hearing on Friday.

According to The Washington Post, so far, the men are charged only with "false impersonation of a federal officer," though Mr Rothstein said on Thursday that the government would probably add a charge of "conspiracy."

NDTV

It's not like CIA isn't active in Pakistan.
 
WASHINGTON: Pakistan Ambassador to the United States Masood Khan on Friday met with the United States military and officials from the Department of State.

The meeting took place at the National War College, during which the Pakistani ambassador gave a briefing on Pakistan-US relations, the ambassador said in a tweet.

The meeting discussed military relations between both the countries and the regional situation.

"Delighted to interact with a group of US Armed Forces and State Department officers from National War College," Ambassador Khan wrote on the microblogging website.

"Briefed them on Pak-US relations, especially military cooperation and regional situation," he added.

Masood was recently appointed ambassador after former ambassador to the US Dr Asad Majeed tendered his resignation in March 2022.

In 2019, Dr Asad Majeed Khan was appointed as Pakistan's ambassador to the United States after Ali Jahangir Siddiqui had stepped down from his post.

GEO
 
Pakistan’s institutions began their slow abandonment of democracy almost 70 years ago, when the country’s Supreme Court legitimized a coup by the executive and dismissal of the constituent assembly. The judges claimed that a “doctrine of necessity” trumped constitutional norms and democratic values; since then, Pakistan’s judges, presidents and army chiefs have all declared this the highest political virtue and used it to justify various undemocratic power grabs.

This week, Pakistan took a step away from that sad heritage. Facing an economic crisis, Prime Minister Imran Khan knew that he had lost his legislative majority and thus his mandate to rule. The Supreme Court was invited to support Khan’s increasingly desperate attempts to avoid facing a hostile National Assembly — and, to its credit, refused. Legislators met and, as expected, a unified opposition promptly threw Khan’s Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (Movement of Justice) party out of office. The National Assembly has now elected opposition leader Shehbaz Sharif, brother of former three-time premier Nawaz Sharif, as prime minister.

The opposition may find that victory is a poisoned chalice. Their alliance is unwieldy, cobbled together from two rival political parties that ruled Pakistan alternately before Khan took office in 2018 and a group of Islamists better at winning fights on the streets than seats in parliament. Managing such a clumsy coalition will demand time and attention. Meanwhile, the issues that caused Khan’s government to lose popularity, especially double-digit inflation and dwindling foreign exchange reserves, aren’t going anywhere. Elections are scheduled for next year, which leaves just enough time for the new government to thoroughly discredit itself.

Plus, in dismissing Khan, the opposition has handed him what he most loves: a sob story. Through a series of rallies and television speeches, Khan has developed the narrative he will take into the next elections — that he alone can protect Pakistan’s sovereignty, and that it was his attempts to end corruption and carve out an independent foreign policy that caused his downfall.

And Khan has found his villain: the United States. On Twitter, he described his ouster by elected legislators as “U.S.-backed regime change abetted by local [traitors] to bring into power a coterie of pliable crooks all out on bail.” In Pakistan, conspiracy theorizing is a beloved national sport, second only to cricket — and Khan is a master of both. He has spread a ludicrous story about a “letter” from an assistant U.S. Secretary of State that “threatened” Pakistan unless Khan was removed. The White House has said there is no truth to this allegation and it is hard to believe that U.S. President Joe Biden’s embattled administration has decided this is the time to conduct “regime change” in a country it would prefer to ignore.

Anti-Americanism is the drug of choice for populists across the world and Khan is no exception. The only element of truth to his story is that his rhetoric may have alienated his most crucial supporters: Pakistan’s military establishment. The generals very conspicuously stayed out of this political battle; previously, when Khan was leading street protests against his predecessors, they had equally conspicuously made clear he enjoyed their support.

Thus, in a strange reversal, the leaders of a party that rose to power thanks to its closeness to the army are now railing against a security establishment that failed to keep them in power. Meanwhile, the army has not prevented a new government taking office, although it is led by politicians who have spent decades clashing with the brass over civilian supremacy.

What matters is that this time, perhaps because the military stood aside, Pakistan’s institutions worked as they should. A government mismanaged the economy, lost its legislative majority — and was forced by the Supreme Court to face the National Assembly. Yes, the prime minister tried, much like former U.S. President Donald Trump, to keep himself in power in defiance of the constitution. But it didn’t work and there was a peaceful transition of power from one civilian administration to another. The “doctrine of necessity” didn’t figure at all.

In 1955, Pakistan’s Supreme Court opened the door to a series of generals who all imagined themselves as Mustafa Kemal Ataturks — fearless modernizers and defenders of national identity and sovereignty. This time, constitutional institutions had to deal with a civilian leader who imagined himself a statesman less in the mold of Turkey’s former leader than its current one, Recep Tayyip Erdogan — the only man able to force Islamist principles onto the state and society while bossing around the generals. Fortunately, Pakistan’s institutions didn’t give in.

Yet it’s no surprise that both countries are now economic basket cases. Just as Erdogan’s politics rely on constant confrontations with Europe to distract his citizens from economic disaster, Khan will milk his anti-American conspiracies for all they’re worth.

Pakistan should not have to choose only between military and civilian dictatorship. Khan and his party can still redeem themselves. The new government is unlikely to be able to solve Pakistan’s problems overnight; Khan will be given all the examples of misrule and bungling he will need to create another successful election campaign. If he is truly committed to Pakistani sovereignty, he should focus on creating a narrative around governance that could win him next year’s elections.

Mihir Sharma is a Bloomberg Opinion columnist. He is a senior fellow at the Observer Research Foundation in New Delhi and head of its Economy and Growth Programme. He is the author of “Restart: The Last Chance for the Indian Economy,” and co-editor of “What the Economy Needs Now.”

More stories like this are available on bloomberg.com/opinion

©2022 Bloomberg L.P.
 
Yes the west wasn't selling but why then even waste money and buy the tin junk of China.

Instead that money could have been invested on indigenous systems setting up labs workshops factories In pakistan and sending pakistani engineering science students abroad to get degrees and comeback to help develop weapons.

Cooperation could have been made with Iran, turkey .


Iran is a good example of investing in local weapons they have the money buy won't buy Chinese junk ,they are even hesitant in procuring russian and would rather reverse engineer those weapons.
 
Pakistan’s institutions began their slow abandonment of democracy almost 70 years ago, when the country’s Supreme Court legitimized a coup by the executive and dismissal of the constituent assembly. The judges claimed that a “doctrine of necessity” trumped constitutional norms and democratic values; since then, Pakistan’s judges, presidents and army chiefs have all declared this the highest political virtue and used it to justify various undemocratic power grabs.

This week, Pakistan took a step away from that sad heritage. Facing an economic crisis, Prime Minister Imran Khan knew that he had lost his legislative majority and thus his mandate to rule. The Supreme Court was invited to support Khan’s increasingly desperate attempts to avoid facing a hostile National Assembly — and, to its credit, refused. Legislators met and, as expected, a unified opposition promptly threw Khan’s Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (Movement of Justice) party out of office. The National Assembly has now elected opposition leader Shehbaz Sharif, brother of former three-time premier Nawaz Sharif, as prime minister.

The opposition may find that victory is a poisoned chalice. Their alliance is unwieldy, cobbled together from two rival political parties that ruled Pakistan alternately before Khan took office in 2018 and a group of Islamists better at winning fights on the streets than seats in parliament. Managing such a clumsy coalition will demand time and attention. Meanwhile, the issues that caused Khan’s government to lose popularity, especially double-digit inflation and dwindling foreign exchange reserves, aren’t going anywhere. Elections are scheduled for next year, which leaves just enough time for the new government to thoroughly discredit itself.

Plus, in dismissing Khan, the opposition has handed him what he most loves: a sob story. Through a series of rallies and television speeches, Khan has developed the narrative he will take into the next elections — that he alone can protect Pakistan’s sovereignty, and that it was his attempts to end corruption and carve out an independent foreign policy that caused his downfall.

And Khan has found his villain: the United States. On Twitter, he described his ouster by elected legislators as “U.S.-backed regime change abetted by local [traitors] to bring into power a coterie of pliable crooks all out on bail.” In Pakistan, conspiracy theorizing is a beloved national sport, second only to cricket — and Khan is a master of both. He has spread a ludicrous story about a “letter” from an assistant U.S. Secretary of State that “threatened” Pakistan unless Khan was removed. The White House has said there is no truth to this allegation and it is hard to believe that U.S. President Joe Biden’s embattled administration has decided this is the time to conduct “regime change” in a country it would prefer to ignore.

Anti-Americanism is the drug of choice for populists across the world and Khan is no exception. The only element of truth to his story is that his rhetoric may have alienated his most crucial supporters: Pakistan’s military establishment. The generals very conspicuously stayed out of this political battle; previously, when Khan was leading street protests against his predecessors, they had equally conspicuously made clear he enjoyed their support.

Thus, in a strange reversal, the leaders of a party that rose to power thanks to its closeness to the army are now railing against a security establishment that failed to keep them in power. Meanwhile, the army has not prevented a new government taking office, although it is led by politicians who have spent decades clashing with the brass over civilian supremacy.

What matters is that this time, perhaps because the military stood aside, Pakistan’s institutions worked as they should. A government mismanaged the economy, lost its legislative majority — and was forced by the Supreme Court to face the National Assembly. Yes, the prime minister tried, much like former U.S. President Donald Trump, to keep himself in power in defiance of the constitution. But it didn’t work and there was a peaceful transition of power from one civilian administration to another. The “doctrine of necessity” didn’t figure at all.

In 1955, Pakistan’s Supreme Court opened the door to a series of generals who all imagined themselves as Mustafa Kemal Ataturks — fearless modernizers and defenders of national identity and sovereignty. This time, constitutional institutions had to deal with a civilian leader who imagined himself a statesman less in the mold of Turkey’s former leader than its current one, Recep Tayyip Erdogan — the only man able to force Islamist principles onto the state and society while bossing around the generals. Fortunately, Pakistan’s institutions didn’t give in.

Yet it’s no surprise that both countries are now economic basket cases. Just as Erdogan’s politics rely on constant confrontations with Europe to distract his citizens from economic disaster, Khan will milk his anti-American conspiracies for all they’re worth.

Pakistan should not have to choose only between military and civilian dictatorship. Khan and his party can still redeem themselves. The new government is unlikely to be able to solve Pakistan’s problems overnight; Khan will be given all the examples of misrule and bungling he will need to create another successful election campaign. If he is truly committed to Pakistani sovereignty, he should focus on creating a narrative around governance that could win him next year’s elections.

Mihir Sharma is a Bloomberg Opinion columnist. He is a senior fellow at the Observer Research Foundation in New Delhi and head of its Economy and Growth Programme. He is the author of “Restart: The Last Chance for the Indian Economy,” and co-editor of “What the Economy Needs Now.”

More stories like this are available on bloomberg.com/opinion

©2022 Bloomberg L.P.



That article just makes it sound even more like the US is interfering in Pakistan politics, although I'm sure that wasn't the intent of the author.

What's his name? Let me just scroll up and check.

Oh. Mihir Sharma.
 
When you get state of the art millitary equipment (like the F16) from America you are basically stuck.

Stuck because you need the parts from the same country to keep the equipment going and in top prestine condition for years to come.

And stuck because when you compare the equipment you were getting in other countries (China) it doesn’t come close to the standard you were getting from America

The Pakistan millitary establishment can pretend to be as anti American as they want publicly but in reality they want a steady supply of those millitary goods because they have been drunk on it for decades.
 
It is pretty obvious that US/Western military presence in Afghanistan was designed, amongst other things, to destabilize the only nuclear-armed Muslim country, as well as their historic enemy, Iran - they succeeded on both counts.

1. Iran is not a 'historic enemy' of America, only since the 1979 revolution.

2. I would say that Pakistan was more impacted by the presence in Afghanistan than Iran. Iran seems to have run a tight ship at their borders compared to the porous AfPak one.

The Pakistan millitary establishment can pretend to be as anti American as they want publicly but in reality they want a steady supply of those millitary goods because they have been drunk on it for decades.

And it's not just military goods from America they are drunk on. I'm sure Chinese maal just doesn't taste as good.
 
US orders Pakistan to take irreversible action against terrorism, 1st order from US to beggar SS
 
Pentagon Press Secretary John Kirby has said that the United States enjoyed a “healthy military-to-military relationship” with the Pakistan Army and hoped that this engagement will also continue in the future.

The remarks by the Pentagon spokesperson came amid an anti-US campaign by the head of the former ruling party, the Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI), Imran Khan, after his ouster from the post of the prime minister of Pakistan.

Imran had alleged a foreign conspiracy behind his removal and the installation of the new government led by Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif. The opposition and the US had both denied these accusations.

Responding to a question about the political crisis in Pakistan and the future of the US-Pakistan ties during a press conference at the Pentagon, Kirby said he would not comment on Pakistan’s internal affairs.

“We recognize that Pakistan plays a key role in the region. We recognize that Pakistan and the Pakistani people are, themselves, victims of terrorist attacks inside their own country,” he said, adding that the US has “shared interests with Pakistan with respect to security and stability in that part of the world”.

“And we do have a healthy military-to-military relationship with Pakistani armed forces. And we have every expectation that that will be able to continue to be the case,” Kirby added.

In response to another question about the “possible involvement” of the Pakistan military due to the political turmoil, he said: “I don't foresee any U.S. military role here. And I'm certainly not going to, again, wade into internal domestic politics in Pakistan.”

PM reaffirms ties

In response to the statements by the US, Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif welcomed the US's “reaffirmation of long-standing ties with Pakistan”.

“We look forward to deepening this important relationship on the principles of equality, mutual interest and mutual benefit,” the PMO added.

https://tribune.com.pk/story/235236...uing-healthy-ties-with-pakistans-armed-forces
 
Pentagon Press Secretary John Kirby has said that the United States enjoyed a “healthy military-to-military relationship” with the Pakistan Army and hoped that this engagement will also continue in the future.

The remarks by the Pentagon spokesperson came amid an anti-US campaign by the head of the former ruling party, the Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI), Imran Khan, after his ouster from the post of the prime minister of Pakistan.

Imran had alleged a foreign conspiracy behind his removal and the installation of the new government led by Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif. The opposition and the US had both denied these accusations.

Responding to a question about the political crisis in Pakistan and the future of the US-Pakistan ties during a press conference at the Pentagon, Kirby said he would not comment on Pakistan’s internal affairs.

“We recognize that Pakistan plays a key role in the region. We recognize that Pakistan and the Pakistani people are, themselves, victims of terrorist attacks inside their own country,” he said, adding that the US has “shared interests with Pakistan with respect to security and stability in that part of the world”.

“And we do have a healthy military-to-military relationship with Pakistani armed forces. And we have every expectation that that will be able to continue to be the case,” Kirby added.

In response to another question about the “possible involvement” of the Pakistan military due to the political turmoil, he said: “I don't foresee any U.S. military role here. And I'm certainly not going to, again, wade into internal domestic politics in Pakistan.”

PM reaffirms ties

In response to the statements by the US, Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif welcomed the US's “reaffirmation of long-standing ties with Pakistan”.

“We look forward to deepening this important relationship on the principles of equality, mutual interest and mutual benefit,” the PMO added.

https://tribune.com.pk/story/235236...uing-healthy-ties-with-pakistans-armed-forces
 
US orders Pakistan to take irreversible action against terrorism, 1st order from US to beggar SS

Well he said it himself, "beggars can't be choosers". He should now choose to read through the fine print of his orders from the US and start choosing to follow orders.
 
It is clear that Pakistani military and political elites are aligned to the West and always have been - they were placed in strategic positions by the US in order to serve its interests in the region.

Pakistan brought catastrophe upon itself when it joined 'the war on terror' and allowed NATO conduit routes through its territory. Instead of the US/West being appreciative they designated the Pakistan State a 'sponsor of terrorism' whilst multiple terrorist atrocities occurred. It is pretty obvious that US/Western military presence in Afghanistan was designed, amongst other things, to destabilize the only nuclear-armed Muslim country, as well as their historic enemy, Iran - they succeeded on both counts. They also found a route to the borders of China where they could destabilize Muslim regions in order to weaken the country, slow its rise to economic and military might and ultimately destroy it. But, in this regard the US failed because China is stronger than it realized and because it miscalculated Taliban's ability to drive its forces out of Afghanistan.

The election of Imran Khan has been a source of great concern for the US and its vassals, it has always portrayed him in a negative, anti-Western light - his independence and desire to keep Pakistan free from Western wars and conflicts brings him into direct confrontation with the Military Industrial Complex, which effectively owns and governs the US - no POTUS is independent of it, nor can operate outside its global remit. And, the goal of the MIC is full spectrum dominance - which involves perpetual war. To obtain total global dominance Russia must be destabilized and balkanized, China must be destroyed and Iran regime changed. All of this requires the complicity and participation of Pakistan which is perfectly placed geographically and geopolitically to enable US hegemony to become complete.

The Pakistani Establishment will fight tooth and nail to depose Imran Khan, if he falls so too does Pakistan as an independent, sovereign, Muslim State, it then becomes what it always was, a weak vassal and slave State of the US/West, a beggar pleading for Western acceptance, carrying out its orders and leaving millions of Pakistanis in the state Imran Khan vowed to change, impoverished and illiterate, with only ruling classes having access to health care, education and the wealth/resources of the country.

Everything now is in the hands of Pakistanis, they choose their destiny during the month of Ramadhan and either become servants and slaves of US-backed corrupt, avaricious politicians or they become true Muslim warriors supporting the best leader the Muslim world has seen in a generation. Allah SwT give them the wisdom to make the right choice.

So Pakistani Military generals are just US puppets then. Ordinary Pakistanis now cannot even trust their military.
 
US just showed Pakistan their worth by issuing a joint statement with India against Pakistan.

And these corrupt politicians and generals will still go begging to the US for crumbs.
 
1. Iran is not a 'historic enemy' of America, only since the 1979 revolution.

2. I would say that Pakistan was more impacted by the presence in Afghanistan than Iran. Iran seems to have run a tight ship at their borders compared to the porous AfPak one.



And it's not just military goods from America they are drunk on. I'm sure Chinese maal just doesn't taste as good.



'Mohammad Mossadegh was a beloved figure in Iran. During his tenure, he introduced a range of social and economic policies, the most significant being the nationalization of the Iranian oil industry. Great Britain had controlled Iran's oil for decades through the Anglo-Iranian Oil Co. After months of talks the prime minister broke off negotiations and denied the British any further involvement in Iran's oil industry. Britain then appealed to the United States for help, which eventually led the CIA to orchestrate the overthrow of Mossadegh and restore power to Mohammad Reza Pahlavi, the last Shah of Iran.



https://www.npr.org/2019/01/31/690363402/how-the-cia-overthrew-irans-democracy-in-four-days


(I never make a statement or comment without first doing study and research of the subject- I suggest you do likewise).
 
So Pakistani Military generals are just US puppets then. Ordinary Pakistanis now cannot even trust their military.

Is this a rhetorical question or statement?

If it is a question directed at me: any individual that trusts any State institution or organization anywhere on the planet is a) brainwashed and/or b) braindead.

Pakistani military - and political - hierarchy aligned itself with the US and provided NATO with conduits through which arms and supplies could be received and delivered, they joined the 'war on terror' which resulted in millions of Muslims dead, maimed, displaced, Arab/Muslim nations destroyed.

Pakistani armed forces are nationalistic in nature and by design, as are all armies in the so-called 'Muslim world,' they do not engage in wars to defend the interests of Muslims - if they did the destruction of Muslim nations, oppression and persecution, killing of Muslims on an industrial scale would not take place. They do not act on behalf of Islam nor fight in the Name of Allah SwT.

You trust the 'Pakistani Military generals' if you want. I don't.
 

'Mohammad Mossadegh was a beloved figure in Iran. During his tenure, he introduced a range of social and economic policies, the most significant being the nationalization of the Iranian oil industry. Great Britain had controlled Iran's oil for decades through the Anglo-Iranian Oil Co. After months of talks the prime minister broke off negotiations and denied the British any further involvement in Iran's oil industry. Britain then appealed to the United States for help, which eventually led the CIA to orchestrate the overthrow of Mossadegh and restore power to Mohammad Reza Pahlavi, the last Shah of Iran.



https://www.npr.org/2019/01/31/690363402/how-the-cia-overthrew-irans-democracy-in-four-days


(I never make a statement or comment without first doing study and research of the subject- I suggest you do likewise).

Then your study and research is clearly below average.

Historic enemy is what you would call the Chinese and the Japanese. Or Arabs and the Jews. I doubt America could even point Iran in the map until the 20th century, a large part of which they were chums with Pahlavi and his father. The Mossadegh coup was barely a blip during this period.
 
Is all this technology really going to help in an actual war where victory is ultimately determined by cause and will?

Look at Russia, they have all the tanks, machinery in the world and are being humiliated badly in Ukraine where they have lost a billion dollar warship, loads of tanks, 7 Russian generals and 15,000 plus Russian troops
 
Is all this technology really going to help in an actual war where victory is ultimately determined by cause and will?

Look at Russia, they have all the tanks, machinery in the world and are being humiliated badly in Ukraine where they have lost a billion dollar warship, loads of tanks, 7 Russian generals and 15,000 plus Russian troops
I have explained in great detail in the relevant thread how the war is actually going and views like this are so far from the truth. Please stop being a MSM repeat and try to do some independent reading. When you do this you will see that Russia despite avoiding civilian casualties and some incompetence on their part are winning this war and easily.

Technology is absolutely essential, it is the reason why 200k Russian soldiers are running circles around 600k Ukrainian soldiers.
 
If Pakistan does pivot back towards US, then it’s not good news for india. India was doing quite well in becoming the main political ally of the west in Asia
 
If Pakistan does pivot back towards US, then it’s not good news for india. India was doing quite well in becoming the main political ally of the west in Asia

This is a fabulous post and quite well describes historical success of British enterprise.
 
The United States looked forward to continuing working with the new government in Pakistan across regional and international issues, said the US Department of State Spokesperson Ned Price during a regular press briefing.

Price termed a 75-year-long relationship with Pakistan “a vital one” in response to a question regarding the ties between the US and the Pakistani government led by Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif.

He said, “We have already congratulated the new Pakistani prime minister, Shehbaz Sharif, on his election, and we look – we work – excuse me – we look forward to working closely with his government.”

“This is work that has the potential to promote peace and prosperity in Pakistan and throughout the region,” he added.

Last week, the White House had also felicitated Shehbaz on becoming the premier of Pakistan and expressed hope to boost bilateral ties. In response to the statements by the US, Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif welcomed the US's “reaffirmation of long-standing ties with Pakistan”.

'Key stakeholder'

The question Price was answering also referred to reported airstrikes by the Pakistani forces inside Afghanistan’s territory resulting in several deaths.

The US official refused to comment on that, telling the reporter to ask the Pakistani authorities in this regard. However, he termed Pakistan’s engagement important to achieve stability in Afghanistan.

Price said the US saw Pakistan as “an important stakeholder, an important partner, with whom we are engaging and have engaged as we work together to bring about an Afghanistan that is more stable, is more secure, is more prosperous".

He added that Washington favoured an Afghanistan "that respects the basic and fundamental rights of its people, all of its people, including its minorities, its women, its girls”.

Express Tribune
 
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Aid is coming - looks like USA views the new government favourably

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Pleased to note that more than $48 million of the newly announced U.S. humanitarian assistance is for Afghan refugees and host communities in Pakistan. We are deeply grateful to Pakistan's generosity hosting Afghan refugees, and proud to support. <a href="https://t.co/vRceaIeitP">https://t.co/vRceaIeitP</a></p>— U.S. Embassy Islamabad (@usembislamabad) <a href="https://twitter.com/usembislamabad/status/1516292071740616707?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 19, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
The US State Department on Tuesday reaffirmed that Washington will not let "propaganda, misinformation and disinformation – lies" get in the way of any bilateral relationship, including the one it has with Pakistan.

These remarks were made by USSD Spokesperson Ned Price during a weekly press briefing in response to a question regarding former prime minister Imran Khan's tirade against the US, blaming it for his ouster from the government last month.

Shortly before his impending ouster from the government, ex-premier and Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) chief Imran Khan had waved a secret letter at his public rally in Islamabad on March 27, claiming that there was an international conspiracy to topple his government.

He termed the no-confidence motion against him a “huge foreign conspiracy against Pakistan” and soon after revealed that the US had sent the ‘threatening letter’, despite earlier claims that he could not reveal the interfering country’s name as the results would be detrimental for Pakistan.

The US has repeatedly denied such claims and on April 23 welcomed the statement issued by the Pakistani National Security Committee (NSC) that rejected the claim of a 'foreign conspiracy' to topple former premier Imran Khan's government.

In response to another question about Foreign Minister Bilawal Bhutto Zardari’s meeting with US Secretary of State Antony J Blinken, Price said that both leaders had the opportunity to reflect on the 75th anniversary of US-Pakistani relations and talk about how the two countries can strengthen that cooperation going forward.

“It is a broad-based bilateral relationship. The secretary underscored the resolute US-Pakistan commitment to Afghan stability and to combating terrorism as well,” Price said.

“They also discussed ongoing engagement when it comes to our economic ties, trade and investment, climate, energy, health, and education,” he added.

The State Department spokesperson expressed hope that both leaders would have an opportunity to follow up on the discussions they had.

On a question regarding the possibility of Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) Chief Lieutenant-General Nadeem Anjum meeting with Secretary Blinken during his stay in Washington, Price said he was not aware of such a meeting.

Regarding expanding relations between two countries based on an education exchange programme, Price said that "US’s educational exchange programme, whether it’s with Pakistan, whether it’s with any other country, is core element of our people-to-people ties."

“We’ve been fortunate to have Pakistanis studying here in this country. We have American students who’ve had the opportunity to study in Pakistan. Those types of exchanges are always helpful, are always valuable as we seek to understand our partners and, as Americans, seek to better understand the world, and as we have other countries better understand America,” the spokesperson added.

Express Tribune
 
The new United States ambassador to Pakistan, Donald Blome, on Monday signalled Washing*ton’s intention to move on from the regime change controversy by engaging in a robust two-way communication with the country’s government, political parties and civil society.

Ambassador Blome, who arrived in Pakistan late last month, has taken over the charge of the US mission at a time of unique challenges and opportunities.

Though anti-American sentiments run deep in Pakistani society, the feelings got inflamed after former prime minister Imran Khan alleged that he was ousted through a US conspiracy for regime change and ran a mass campaign calling for ‘freedom’ from ‘slaves of foreign powers’. This heightened anti-American sentiment has, therefore, become the foremost challenge for Washington in executing its foreign policy goals in Pakistan.

But then, newer opportunities have also emerged. Ambassador Blome — the first full-time American envoy in Islamabad after a gap of almost four years — assumed the charge of his assignment when Afghanistan is apparently no more a dominant issue in the bilateral ties following last year’s withdrawal of US forces from there at the end of 20-year-long war — the longest in American history.

Counterterrorism cooperation to remain ‘defining feature’ of ties

Ambassador Blome, in an interview with Dawn, reiterated the rejection of Mr Khan’s `regime change’ allegation and said Washington was “very clear” about that.

“However, I think the best thing we can do going forward is to keep engaging across all levels of Pakistani society, as we have for the past 75 years!” he said, adding the engagement wouldn’t be limited just with the government, but will extend to political leaders, the business community, civil society, and the youth.

In this two-way communication, he said, he will “listen to and understand” what’s happening here and “convey that understanding” to Washington and at the same time share US “views and positions as clearly and as transparently as possible” with audiences here.

Beyond polarisation in the domestic politics on US ties, the new government in Islamabad has always been open to revitalising bilateral relations. The first opportunity that came in its way in the shape of Secretary of State Antony Blinken’s invitation for Foreign Minister Bilawal Bhutto-Zardari for attending a food security conference at the United Nations was clinched.

Mr Bhutto-Zardari and Mr Blinken also met on the sidelines of the conference in New York on May 18, which was the first highest level face-to-face contact between the two sides in months.

Ambassador Blome disclosed that “a number of follow-ups” were being planned on the basis of the agenda set by the two foreign ministers at their meeting.

“I will do some of that here, and I expect we will see a variety of US visitors to Pakistan in the coming months to build on it further,” he said.

In what appears to be a step towards the resumption of structured bilateral dialogue that has been suspended for long, the two sides are set to launch the US-Pakistan Health Dialogue in Washington for deepening their cooperation on health issues.

The ambassador recalled the “partnership” between the two countries against the global Covid-19 pandemic as a good example of cooperation on health.

US had donated more than 61 million Covid vaccine doses, $69m in financial support, and an additional $9m in in-kind assistance to support Pakistan’s fight against the pandemic.

“We can build on this work not just in assistance but through growing private sector partnerships in the health field,” the envoy added.

Much like the emphasis on investment and trade during the foreign ministers’ meeting, Ambassador Blome too said that he was “committed to promoting further development of our bilateral trade and investment”.

He further identified health, climate, and education as other areas where cooperation could be expanded.

But, at the same time, it was too obvious from the discussion with him that counterterrorism cooperation will remain a defining feature of this relationship for some time to come.

Ambassador Blome said US was seeking “a strong partnership with Pakistan on counterterrorism” and expects from Islamabad “sustained” and indiscriminate action against all militant and terrorist groups.

The ambassador was specifically asked to clarify if US pursuit for strengthening counterterrorism cooperation with Pakistan included negotiations over drone basing access closer to Afghanistan, but he avoided a direct reply.

“The United States is committed to preventing the reemergence of terrorist threats, in Afghanistan or anywhere else. Fighting terrorism is a global effort. We will continue to engage partners, allies, and key states around the world on how best to address terrorism,” he said while referring to President Joe Biden’s statement in which he had talked about developing capabilities and deploying assets in the region to prevent the re-emergence of terrorists from over the horizon.

On Afghanistan, the envoy said, US would work with Pakistan to “press the Taliban to prevent terrorist groups from using Afghanistan as a base for external operations and to meet the international community’s expectations — including pressing the Taliban to adhere to their counterterrorism commitments, form an inclusive government, and protect the rights of women and girls”.

Ambassador Blome welcomed Pakistan’s “ongoing efforts in countering the financing of terrorism and prioritising anti-money laundering measures”.

His remarks come ahead of Financial Action Task Force’s plenary meeting in Berlin from June 14. The global illicit financing watchdog will review the progress made by Pakistan, which has been on its ‘grey list’ since June 2018.

Published in Dawn, June 14th, 2022
 
We've been sold out by the bajwa clan and their economic and family interests in the USA .

Looks like the Saudis and usa effectively infiltrated our military from within.
 
Looks like the old superpower USA has smashed the upcoming one China on this occasion.
 
We've been sold out by the bajwa clan and their economic and family interests in the USA .

Looks like the Saudis and usa effectively infiltrated our military from within.

This is what happens when all major politician families, generals and powerful people have their finance interests outside of country.
 
PTI has reservations against new US envoy to Pakistan Donald Blome: Shireen Mazari

ISLAMABAD: PTI leader Shireen Mazari said on Tuesday that her party has reservations against the new American ambassador to Pakistan Donald Blome.

In a press conference flanked by PTI leader Asad Umar, Mazari alleged that the American envoy was holding meetings with Pakistani officials even though he is yet to present his credentials.

“American envoy met the foreign minister in the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. The Foreign Office did not issue any statement or pictures of the meeting,” alleged the PTI leader.

She added that the Blome was the US envoy to Iraq when the government was changed there and that was the time when the Middle Eastern country was attacked.

Mazari alleged that the incumbent envoy was running a "strategic cell in Afghanistan."

Taking a jibe at Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif, Mazari alleged that wherever the premier goes for “begging” he comes back empty-handed.

She added that PM Shehbaz came back empty-handed from Saudi Arabia and Turkey.

“No one in the world is ready to talk to this government. This government will do what America wants,” alleged Mazari.

On the other hand, Asad Umar repeated his party’s call for holding elections in the country, adding that the nation’s future should be decided by vote.

https://www.geo.tv/latest/422454-pt...ew-american-envoy-donald-blome-shireen-mazari
 
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