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Should Pakistan Declare Azad Kashmir and Gilgit Baltistan as the 5th Province of Pakistan and accept LOC as the International Border?
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[MENTION=131506]blackanhyellow[/MENTION] just gave the reason as to why it’s difficult..
Can you quote it
Btw i am alot confused about it
here are my few questions
1) J&K has been under Indias control since Independence so does it really change much calling it a union?
2) How does scrapping this Article affect Pakistan?
Can you quote it
Btw i am alot confused about it
here are my few questions
1) J&K has been under Indias control since Independence so does it really change much calling it a union?
2) How does scrapping this Article affect Pakistan?
Also, by taking these actions India has shown that they are not willing to work within the framework of the shimla agreement, which means that agreement isnt worth the ink its signed with anymore.
The Simla Agreement said both countries will "settle their differences by peaceful means through bilateral negotiations". Pakistan has been trying to drag other countries into Kashmir for a long time now, including IK's most recent appeal to Trump.
The Simla Agreement said both countries will "settle their differences by peaceful means through bilateral negotiations". Pakistan has been trying to drag other countries into Kashmir for a long time now, including IK's most recent appeal to Trump.
Because India was not engaging bilaterally. Stop trying to make people fool!
Ik didn't ask trump to intervene. He asked trump to mediate. Mediation requires both india and pakistan to have to agree to mediation. Pakistan didn't force india to say yes to mediation, however tried to push for mediation. Shimla agreement said for kashmir issue to be solved bilaterally or by any method mutually agreed upon. Advocating for mediation as a possible method was not in contradiction to shimla agreement.
Internationalizing human rights abuses in Kashmir or bringing kashmir issue to the world's attention was not against the shimla agreement.
Shimla agreement made no such mention that pakistan can not talk about kashmir on the international stage.
However both countries have violated the shimla agreement prior to this in other events and actions.
This time india ripped up the agreement.
Asking another country to mediate is not consistent with "settle their differences by peaceful means through bilateral negotiations".
Nowhere in the Simla Agreement did it say that 370 cannot be scrapped.
lol. Have you even read it?
Countless agreements within the agreement have been broken many many times. It's void, means nothing more than Modi marriage certifcate.
Read the thread before you jump in. I was replying to a post that said "Also, by taking these actions India has shown that they are not willing to work within the framework of the shimla agreement, which means that agreement isnt worth the ink its signed with anymore."
.... they are cowards who can only oppress people with no army and even then they need 700,000 troops with a old cricketer too.
lol. Have you even read it?
Countless agreements within the agreement have been broken many many times. It's void, means nothing more than Modi marriage certifcate.
I remember once upon a time this rhony troll denied being an India fan and told me he's a neutral. I'm glad those colours are long gone now.
You're on my ignore list so don't bother replying.
I pointed out to him that what other Muslims in India thought was not necessarily a reflection of Kashmiri Muslims as the Kashmiris are in a majority in their state and he started blathering on about Muslim ummah being disproved. I think that shows you his mindset.
Lol. I said something about Ummah and you blabbed something different without a proper context as a response to mine. I heard Pakpak has almost everybody on his ignore list and reads his own posts for time pass. So take it easy
Here’s what Michael Kugelman had to say about Pakistan’s options in his latest article:
”Then there is Pakistan. Islamabad’s immediate priority will be to step up its longstanding campaign to get the Kashmir issue on the global agenda and to get the world to condemn India’s policies. Up to now, Pakistan has largely failed to sell its case to the world. Pakistan’s image problems have left India winning the PR war. Indeed, many protesters who might rally for Tibet or Palestine don’t go out of their way to mobilize for Kashmir.
But as India’s move spurs press coverage worldwide, Islamabad has its greatest opportunity in years to internationalize the dispute. This isn’t to suggest that the world is about to gravitate to Pakistan’s side—far from it. But Islamabad can at least expect some supportive statements from Pakistan-friendly countries—Malaysia and Turkey have already expressed their backing for Pakistan following India’s move—and from entities such as the Organization of Islamic Cooperation.
A more immediate risk for New Delhi is that Pakistan will retaliate by resorting to its tried-and-true tactic of sending militant proxies into Kashmir to target Indian security forces. In recent years, much of the unrest in the region has been perpetrated by local Kashmiris radicalized by local conditions, with less direct involvement from Pakistan than in earlier years. But India’s repeal of Article 370 gives Islamabad fresh incentive to deploy its prized asymmetric assets.”
https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/08/05/indias-sudden-kashmir-move-could-backfire-badly/
That bolded part above is at the crux of all problems for Pakistan with respect to Kashmir. The world is fed up and fatigued with Pakistan sponsored cross border terror and support for 'non state terror infrastructure'. That is the very reason that Modi and Shah quietly revoked 370 and not a squeak from anywhere in the world.
Palestinians for whom Pakistan has been the most vocal supporter, those Palestinians are quiet.
China, Pakistan's best friend, is least bothered.
Muslim Ummah that Pakistan keeps touting, those Arab/Muslim nations are not running to Pakistan's defense.
Trump who had spoken of mediating between Pakistan and India, is quiet now. The statement from state department is speaking of the need for Pakistan and India to show restraint (essentially helping India, by asking Pakistan to just take it and keep quiet).
Today, Pakistan finds itself all alone.
Strangely even Pakistan PM and FM are very muted. Pak Army Chief is also quiet.
That bolded part above is at the crux of all problems for Pakistan with respect to Kashmir. The world is fed up and fatigued with Pakistan sponsored cross border terror and support for 'non state terror infrastructure'. That is the very reason that Modi and Shah quietly revoked 370 and not a squeak from anywhere in the world.
Palestinians for whom Pakistan has been the most vocal supporter, those Palestinians are quiet.
China, Pakistan's best friend, is least bothered.
Muslim Ummah that Pakistan keeps touting, those Arab/Muslim nations are not running to Pakistan's defense.
Trump who had spoken of mediating between Pakistan and India, is quiet now. The statement from state department is speaking of the need for Pakistan and India to show restraint (essentially helping India, by asking Pakistan to just take it and keep quiet).
Today, Pakistan finds itself all alone.
Strangely even Pakistan PM and FM are very muted. Pak Army Chief is also quiet.
Zaid Hamid is already promising to enter Kashmir)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">They can mock but cannot ignore our prowess and imoact alhamdolillah....this shows their fear of our Azaan...<br><br>Soon InshAllah, we will be inside Kashmir...that's a promise... <a href="https://t.co/3NZBeEfjTf">pic.twitter.com/3NZBeEfjTf</a></p>— Zaid Hamid (@ZaidZamanHamid) <a href="https://twitter.com/ZaidZamanHamid/status/1158422327660560385?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 5, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
I get it, you are here to spam the forum with your hindutva stuff, which is fine, but you need to leave some of your preconceptions behind. Not all Muslims are identikit ummah candidates any more than all hindus will be Amit Shah acolytes. When you start parping about Muslim Ummah when no one has mentioned it, you betray your own prejudices. Now carry on reading your script in the various threads you are engaged.
Zaid Hamid is already promising to enter Kashmir)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">They can mock but cannot ignore our prowess and imoact alhamdolillah....this shows their fear of our Azaan...<br><br>Soon InshAllah, we will be inside Kashmir...that's a promise... <a href="https://t.co/3NZBeEfjTf">pic.twitter.com/3NZBeEfjTf</a></p>— Zaid Hamid (@ZaidZamanHamid) <a href="https://twitter.com/ZaidZamanHamid/status/1158422327660560385?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 5, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Nobody takes him serious lol.
He is a dumbo.
Nobody takes him serious lol.
He is a dumbo.
He is a necessary dumbo to have though. You need people like him to counter vast number of namak haram traitors.
I get it, you are here to spam the forum with your hindutva stuff, which is fine, but you need to leave some of your preconceptions behind. Not all Muslims are identikit ummah candidates any more than all hindus will be Amit Shah acolytes. When you start parping about Muslim Ummah when no one has mentioned it, you betray your own prejudices. Now carry on reading your script in the various threads you are engaged.
I suggest you read the statements of your own politicians about the need for Muslim ummah to stand together
British politicians don't usually make any such statements.
Zaid Hamid is a great national asset of Pakistan, idolized by millions of Pakistanis.
I remember a video I watched in 2009 in which he had predicted that 'In 6 years Pakistan will be the strongest superpower on earth. The US and UN shall first ask Pakistan before they make decisions.
"USA ka President pehle Pakistan ko phone karke puchche ga, Hey Pakistan hum yeh karna chahte hain, kay aap hamein ijaazat doge? (USA's President will first seek Pakistan's permission before taking important decisions saying...'Hey Pakistan, we are planning on doing xyz, can we have your permission please?').
He also went on to predict that the UN's Secretary General will first seek Pakistan's blessings before the UN takes any decision. "Islamabad is where the world shall look toward for permission and guidance, in just 6 years from now"
It is now over 10 years from those prophetic words delivered by Pakistani icon Zaid Hamid, and where do we find Pakistan today? On the verge of bankruptcy. The Pakistan PM is out with a bowl taking turns requesting Saudi for a bailout, then UAE, then China, pretty much anyone who can put something into that bowl.
Comedy king if there ever was one.
I think the same about Indian trolls required on the forum, I understand why you feel that, outside the forum Indian trolls are more in number and someone needs to counter.
Zaid Hamid is a nobody and isn’t taken seriously.
How desperate are you to try to make it seem he is a national asset lol.
He’s like RSS clowns
Zaid Hamid was in the top 10 handles trending on twitter at one time yesterday (Number 6 if I remember correctly)!
Moral of the story: Don't under-estimate anyone, not even Zaid Hamid.
Zaid Hamid has some great abilities, in the way he corrals and marshals gullible Pakistanis, and how passionately he pushes the ISI agenda. However what he has in Josh, Jazba, and Junoon, he often utterly lacks in Zahanat/Intelligence.
Also anything, even a crow innocently flying outside his window, is often a divine message that Gazwa-e-Hind is upon us, and off he gallops into cyberspace rabble rousing his loyal Pakistani followers to make the charge to the gates of DEHLI (not Delhi)!
I see this guy have virtually no support on X.Supporting Kashmiris? How?
First, this guy needs to support his country. He and his financial minister are roaming around China, visiting and begging Chinese banks to re-profile and restructure loans on one side, while on the other side, they are bending to IMF conditions to get IMF peanuts. Lol.![]()
Shehbaz is just doing lip service to the Kashmiris. Has to keep his bosses in the Pak army happy by saying such things.Supporting Kashmiris? How?
First, this guy needs to support his country. He and his financial minister are roaming around China, visiting and begging Chinese banks to re-profile and restructure loans on one side, while on the other side, they are bending to IMF conditions to get IMF peanuts. Lol.![]()