Pakistan's scheduled ODIs up to the 2019 World Cup

[tanveer din]

1- Pakistan in Australia Jan 2017 5 Odis
2- Pakistan in westindies April 2017 3 Odis
3- Champions trophy June 2017
4- Pakistan in Bangladesh July 2017 3 Odis
5- Pakistan vs srilanka in UAE October 2017 5 Odis
6- Pakistan in NZ January 2018 5 odis
7- Pakistan in Zimbabwe August 2018 3 Odis
8- Pakistan vs Australia in UAE 5 Odis
9- Pakistan vs NZ IN UAE November 5 Odis
10- Pakistan in RSA January 2019 5 Odis
11- Westindies Tri series March 2019
12-Pakistan in ENGLAND 5 odis May 2019
Is that enough for the prepation of our golden boys

 

[Hasan123]

There is more than enough games there to find the right combination.

 

[tanveer din]

There is more than enough games there to find the right combination.

Little bit short

 

[marlonbrowndo]

Looking forward to winning the one in August 2018

 

[Hasan123]

Little bit short

It's more than enough, we also have to play tests and t20s as well

 

[moghul]

Looking forward to winning the one in August 2018

Like your optimism, hope they will at least win one game in that series.

 

[Anis10]

We can also fit in a couple of series in there, we have good relations with South Africa so we can add a series or two

 

[MMHS]

Enough - but, I would suggest 3/4 more series during off period against ZIM, AFG, IRL, even BD, SRL, WI & NZ; provided that PCB selects enough back up players. But there shouldn't be any excuse regarding WC preparation.

 

[tanveer din]

We can also fit in a couple of series in there, we have good relations with South Africa so we can add a series or two

We are only free in November December 2017 and April, June, July 2018

 

[tanveer din]

Enough - but, I would suggest 3/4 more series during off period against ZIM, AFG, IRL, even BD, SRL, WI & NZ; provided that PCB selects enough back up players. But there shouldn't be any excuse regarding WC preparation.

We are only free in November December 2017 and April, June, July 2018

 

[Slog]

Honestly heads should be called if we don't make Atleast the semi finals of the 2019 WC

Apart from the home side which has the home advantage Pakistan has the BEST lead up to the 2019 WC

We played a 5 match series in August and September

Then we play in England in June 2017 CT

We make a tour of England in May and June 2018

Then RIGHT BEFORE the World Cup we play a 5 match series IN England

And in between we get enough matches to come to a lineup.

[MENTION=53290]Markhor[/MENTION] what are your thoughts on this

 

[tanveer din]

Honestly heads should be called if we don't make Atleast the semi finals of the 2019 WC

Apart from the home side which has the home advantage Pakistan has the BEST lead up to the 2019 WC

We played a 5 match series in August and September

Then we play in England in June 2017 CT

We make a tour of England in May and June 2018

Then RIGHT BEFORE the World Cup we play a 5 match series IN England

And in between we get enough matches to come to a lineup.

[MENTION=53290]Markhor[/MENTION] what are your thoughts on this

How in May 2017

 

[MMHS]

We are only free in November December 2017 and April, June, July 2018

Cricket is played all year now - PAK can play some matches this summer after CT with WI & there are other windows for 2 weeks.

 

[marlonbrowndo]

Honestly heads should be called if we don't make Atleast the semi finals of the 2019 WC

Apart from the home side which has the home advantage Pakistan has the BEST lead up to the 2019 WC

We played a 5 match series in August and September

Then we play in England in June 2017 CT

We make a tour of England in May and June 2018

Then RIGHT BEFORE the World Cup we play a 5 match series IN England

And in between we get enough matches to come to a lineup.

[MENTION=53290]Markhor[/MENTION] what are your thoughts on this

Are you serious? Bro preparation doesn't mean anything. If we don't completely change our mindset in ODI cricket then there's no way we are making it past group stages. I can see our ODI team improving but we need to get rid of the shafiqs and Azhars.

 

[Arham_PakFan]

It's a good schedule,more than enough for the WC,5 ODI's in England right before the tournament.

 

[MMHS]

One good thing I can see is that suddenly Cricket world has shifted it's focus from T20 to more ODI & Test. At least till 2019, PAK's ODI schedule is almost packed - if PCB focuses more on ODI than T20, than I am sure any other board will be more than willing. May be, T20 is gradually heading to what I like the way it should be played - Franchise based leagues. Besides, wide spread corruption in T20 might be another reason that major boards are trying to avoid it under National color.

Also, Cricket by nature is a game of contest between bat & ball rather than watching slog feast; therefore I was almost certain that after initial few years, T20 will loose it's appeal - it's like watching batsmen practicing power hitting at nets, with very little depth in the entertainment. For example, yesterday, mathematically BD could have won the T20 with 36 in last over, so the match was active till last over - while after day 2, almost everyone was certain that MCG Test was going to end in draw .......

 

[LegendAli]

I'm in tears, no Pakistan vs India Bilateral series in the next two years.

Couldn't ask for anything more!

 

[hadi123]

I think Champions trophy is what we should be looking forward to right now not World Cup. We can definitely qualify from our group it's between us and SA really. but i am not optimistic

 

[Tridibans_16]

1- Pakistan in Australia Jan 2017 5 Odis
2- Pakistan in westindies April 2017 3 Odis
3- Champions trophy June 2017
4- Pakistan in Bangladesh July 2017 3 Odis
5- Pakistan vs srilanka in UAE October 2017 5 Odis
6- Pakistan in NZ January 2018 5 odis
7- Pakistan in Zimbabwe August 2018 3 Odis
8- Pakistan vs Australia in UAE 5 Odis
9- Pakistan vs NZ IN UAE November 5 Odis
10- Pakistan in RSA January 2019 5 Odis
11- Westindies Tri series March 2019
12-Pakistan in ENGLAND 5 odis May 2019
Is that enough for the prepation of our golden boys

Which is the 3rd team in that WI Tri-series in 2019? I can't find that series anywhere online

 

[Abdullah719]

I'm in tears, no Pakistan vs India Bilateral series in the next two years.

Couldn't ask for anything more!

It's actually there in the FTP but I assume OP omitted it as it probably won't go ahead.

 

[Slog]

How in May 2017

We play a test series

So players will have four years of being used to playing on English pitches

 

[Slog]

Are you serious? Bro preparation doesn't mean anything. If we don't completely change our mindset in ODI cricket then there's no way we are making it past group stages. I can see our ODI team improving but we need to get rid of the shafiqs and Azhars.

Well obviously preparation has to go in and proper mindset

I'm saying that players won't have any excusing relating to not adjusting to conditions like they had in 2015

 

[tanveer din]

We play a test series

So players will have four years of being used to playing on English pitches

We are also schedule to tour england and RSA respectively for 4 and 3 tests again in 2020

 

[tanveer din]

It's actually there in the FTP but I assume OP omitted it as it probably won't go ahead.

We are also schedule to tour england and RSA respectively for 4 and 3 tests again in 2020 - See more at: http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...2019-World-Cup&p=9044686&posted=1#post9044686

 

[HitWicket]

We are also schedule to tour england and RSA respectively for 4 and 3 tests again in 2020

Got a source for that? Pakistan are down for a 2 test tour of England in 2018 so it would be extremely wierd to have another series scheduled so shortly after the most recent 2.

 

[ExplicitAI]

That's a lot of games against the top sides, excellent opportunity for us to groom our players for the next WC.

 

[Markhor]

Honestly heads should be called if we don't make Atleast the semi finals of the 2019 WC

Apart from the home side which has the home advantage Pakistan has the BEST lead up to the 2019 WC

We played a 5 match series in August and September

Then we play in England in June 2017 CT

We make a tour of England in May and June 2018

Then RIGHT BEFORE the World Cup we play a 5 match series IN England

And in between we get enough matches to come to a lineup.

[MENTION=53290]Markhor[/MENTION] what are your thoughts on this

Its good that we'll be having plenty of exposure to English conditions but ODI pitches are uniformly flat so acclimatisation isn't as important as it would be for a Test series where pitches tend to be more challenging.

What's more important is building a team with the necessary skills for ODI cricket as no amount of preparation can make up for the fact we are miles behind the top teams in ODIs.

On a selfish note though, this is great for UK fans.

 

[Asif321]

after wc we would be saying there was no vision we didnt build team for WC

 

[Couch Cricketer]

1- Pakistan in Australia Jan 2017 5 Odis
2- Pakistan in westindies April 2017 3 Odis
3- Champions trophy June 2017
4- Pakistan in Bangladesh July 2017 3 Odis
5- Pakistan vs srilanka in UAE October 2017 5 Odis
6- Pakistan in NZ January 2018 5 odis
7- Pakistan in Zimbabwe August 2018 3 Odis
8- Pakistan vs Australia in UAE 5 Odis
9- Pakistan vs NZ IN UAE November 5 Odis
10- Pakistan in RSA January 2019 5 Odis
11- Westindies Tri series March 2019
12-Pakistan in ENGLAND 5 odis May 2019
Is that enough for the prepation of our golden boys

Asia cup in india 2018 as well

 

[Justcrazy]

Pakistan need to use these games to come up with better combinations.

Pace bowling all rounders have to be developed.

 

[Haroon786]

Well obviously preparation has to go in and proper mindset

I'm saying that players won't have any excusing relating to not adjusting to conditions like they had in 2015

If the players in place aren't good enough in the first place, then does it matter how much preparation they do ?

Anyway, I think the team still needs to be changed with a few fresh faces to ensure that there is no dead wood going up to the WC.

 

[Ellipsism]

If the players in place aren't good enough in the first place, then does it matter how much preparation they do ?

Anyway, I think the team still needs to be changed with a few fresh faces to ensure that there is no dead wood going up to the WC.

Please enlighten us all about these young fresh faces whom can take this ODI team to the next level.

 

[Haroon786]

Please enlighten us all about these young fresh faces whom can take this ODI team to the next level.

You didn't comprehend the post properly - the point is the team in its current composition won't be challenging the top teams in ODIs even if they get excellent preparation as they are simply not good enough.

I don't think the likes of Azhar, Shoaib and Wahab have a role to play in the 2019 WC.

 

[shaz619]

You didn't comprehend the post properly - the point is the team in its current composition won't be challenging the top teams in ODIs even if they get excellent preparation as they are simply not good enough.

I don't think the likes of Azhar, Shoaib and Wahab have a role to play in the 2019 WC.

Umar Akmal, Imran Nazir, Shahid Afridi etc were all supposed to be good enough, unfortunately talent is super overrated. You shake a tree and world beaters will not fall out, excellent preparation is supreme; I fear not the man who has practised 1000 kicks but the man who has mastered 1 kick 1000 times. Lack of ability is an excuse used for failure when preparation is belittled but if you fail to prepare you're preparing to fail. Preparation and hardwork are qualities which mustn't be underestimated, if they were then Ali would not have beaten George Foreman, Buster Douglas would not have beaten Tyson and Pakistan's limited XI would not have made it to the no.1 ranking in 2016. We've also seen batsman transform themselves over the years but preparation and hard work are required in equal measure as much as ability but at times the will got to be greater then the skill as well.

We had the greatest composition in 1999, but we failed. People pay too much attention to the Mamoon with this whole not good enough rhetoric. That being said, we should most definitely field our ideal team and in our recent ODI games we displayed an improvement especially in the bowling department and Sharjeel providing must needed impetus at the top. Wahab is safe but Azhar and Shoaib have a lot to play for so if they fail in AUS they won't have a role to play in 2019.

 

[Ellipsism]

You didn't comprehend the post properly - the point is the team in its current composition won't be challenging the top teams in ODIs even if they get excellent preparation as they are simply not good enough.

I don't think the likes of Azhar, Shoaib and Wahab have a role to play in the 2019 WC.

Yes, I understand the premise of your post and I happen to agree.

Though, you did happen to say that you would like the 'dead wood' in the current side to be replaced with a younger crop of players, which leads us to what I questioned. Who are these players that are able to replace the current mediocrity in the side?

 

[Haroon786]

Yes, I understand the premise of your post and I happen to agree.

Though, you did happen to say that you would like the 'dead wood' in the current side to be replaced with a younger crop of players, which leads us to what I questioned. Who are these players that are able to replace the current mediocrity in the side?

I think Haris Sohail is a batsman with great potential and now that he is back playing, it is only a matter of time he returns to the national team for a hopefully more permanent tenure. The leg-spinner Shadab Khan is another Cricketer who has the potential to become a good utility player for Pakistan in LOIs. Fakhar Zaman is a batter who has done well in LO Cricket, being able to maintain a healthy SR along with his high average - someone that can be possibly drafted in.

Also - just because the replacements are not obviously apparent, doesn't mean that mediocrity or the inability to match modern standards should be tolerated.

 

[Haroon786]

Umar Akmal, Imran Nazir, Shahid Afridi etc were all supposed to be good enough, unfortunately talent is super overrated. You shake a tree and world beaters will not fall out, excellent preparation is supreme; I fear not the man who has practised 1000 kicks but the man who has mastered 1 kick 1000 times. Lack of ability is an excuse used for failure when preparation is belittled but if you fail to prepare you're preparing to fail. Preparation and hardwork are qualities which mustn't be underestimated, if they were then Ali would not have beaten George Foreman, Buster Douglas would not have beaten Tyson and Pakistan's limited XI would not have made it to the no.1 ranking in 2016. We've also seen batsman transform themselves over the years but preparation and hard work are required in equal measure as much as ability but at times the will got to be greater then the skill as well.

We had the greatest composition in 1999, but we failed. People pay too much attention to the Mamoon with this whole not good enough rhetoric. That being said, we should most definitely field our ideal team and in our recent ODI games we displayed an improvement especially in the bowling department and Sharjeel providing must needed impetus at the top. Wahab is safe but Azhar and Shoaib have a lot to play for so if they fail in AUS they won't have a role to play in 2019.

I agree with you, preparation is paramount. However, what I am specifically mentioning is ability - unless the system is radicalised, Pakistan won't be churning out good batsmen that the likes of SA, Aus and India have in recent years and unless you have ATG bowlers in your team, batting is what wins ODIs and the reason for Pakistan's perennial malperformance is not having the batsmen who can score 5-6 runs an over without taking major risks to reach such targets.

I don't believe in extremities and it applies in this equation too, simply either of talent or hard work will always be behind talent and hard work both. The likes of SA and India also have their issues in terms of ensuring that they maximise the elite of the available population for their best possible team composition, but their systems enable to ensure that the players that are selected are developed further and that their techniques are refined and exposed to good Cricketing conditions unlike the domestic system followed by Pakistan. Players in Pakistan are always picked for their 'talent' and how they look good, but the discipline of hard work is not instilled in them and instead of progressing from junior Cricket, they are left largely to their own devices and do not progress, rather stagnate from that position. The other countries also have talent and probably better talent than Pakistan (sacrilege for some, reality for some too) but further to that they also develop that talent with hard work and that's what leads to producing Cricketers like Rabada, Quinton de Kock, Kohli and Hazlewood.

Sure, going to the UK early and practising in those conditions (though the ODI pitches are flat and the summer is usually warm enough to not aid bowling) will help somewhat, if the players haven't further developed their ODI skills why should we expect them to perform differently than what they have done in the recent past vs the top teams ?

 

[Abdullah]

1- Pakistan in Australia Jan 2017 5 Odis
2- Pakistan in westindies April 2017 3 Odis
3- Champions trophy June 2017
4- Pakistan in Bangladesh July 2017 3 Odis
5- Pakistan vs srilanka in UAE October 2017 5 Odis
6- Pakistan in NZ January 2018 5 odis
7- Pakistan in Zimbabwe August 2018 3 Odis
8- Pakistan vs Australia in UAE 5 Odis
9- Pakistan vs NZ IN UAE November 5 Odis
10- Pakistan in RSA January 2019 5 Odis
11- Westindies Tri series March 2019
12-Pakistan in ENGLAND 5 odis May 2019
Is that enough for the prepation of our golden boys

2019 is a long way away.
i just hope sharjeel babar akmal and haris are established in the first 11 by 2018

 

[shaz619]

I agree with you, preparation is paramount. However, what I am specifically mentioning is ability - unless the system is radicalised, Pakistan won't be churning out good batsmen that the likes of SA, Aus and India have in recent years and unless you have ATG bowlers in your team, batting is what wins ODIs and the reason for Pakistan's perennial malperformance is not having the batsmen who can score 5-6 runs an over without taking major risks to reach such targets.

I don't believe in extremities and it applies in this equation too, simply either of talent or hard work will always be behind talent and hard work both. The likes of SA and India also have their issues in terms of ensuring that they maximise the elite of the available population for their best possible team composition, but their systems enable to ensure that the players that are selected are developed further and that their techniques are refined and exposed to good Cricketing conditions unlike the domestic system followed by Pakistan. Players in Pakistan are always picked for their 'talent' and how they look good, but the discipline of hard work is not instilled in them and instead of progressing from junior Cricket, they are left largely to their own devices and do not progress, rather stagnate from that position. The other countries also have talent and probably better talent than Pakistan (sacrilege for some, reality for some too) but further to that they also develop that talent with hard work and that's what leads to producing Cricketers like Rabada, Quinton de Kock, Kohli and Hazlewood.

Sure, going to the UK early and practising in those conditions (though the ODI pitches are flat and the summer is usually warm enough to not aid bowling) will help somewhat, if the players haven't further developed their ODI skills why should we expect them to perform differently than what they have done in the recent past vs the top teams ?

I agree that our grass root system is god awful, we're light years behind everyone else in that sense; I've been exposed to the ECB development system and it's just incredible the depth at each level when it comes to the support which is provided. Talent will only get a cricketer so far but in addition to hard work they need world class support at an early stage without a doubt but many of our cricketers tend to get lost in the shuffle, plus the domestic structure is arguably the most unprofessional on the globe.

The key word in your post is "radicalised" because in the grand scheme that's what we need of our system so we can achieve a degree of consistency, but in the short term we need to make best use of the resources we have and prepare immensely well on a physical, mental, spiritual and tactical level in order to punch above our weight.