Pakistan's World Test Championship pathway is opening up!

[pratiktc]

So let me get this straight:
You think Pakistan can't/or are not sure that they can even compete against Bangladesh because we lost against Aus IN Aus (who are currently decimating NZ).

I can't seem to find the logic

Yes. There is no heart or fight being shown by Pakistan.
New Zealand have been drawn and quartered but still their 2 standing fast bowlers are fighting like tigers. Bowling long aggressive spells even with opposition 400 ahead.

Pakistan team in Tests doesn't seem to care for their own pride or fans' pride.

 

[Abdullah476]

Yes. There is no heart or fight being shown by Pakistan.
New Zealand have been drawn and quartered but still their 2 standing fast bowlers are fighting like tigers. Bowling long aggressive spells even with opposition 400 ahead.

Pakistan team in Tests doesn't seem to care for their own pride or fans' pride.

Pakistan came back three times from 90/5 and scored 230+ each time (even scoring 300+ once).

What else do you want them to do?

Pakistan's bowlers didn't show courage. Ok let's say they didn't. But did the NZ batsmen show courage?
They got all out for 166 despite Aus having on less bowler. Don't see any courage here.

The difference is that here the NZ's bowlers showed courage while in the last series Pakistan's batsmen showed courage.

 

[jnaveen1980]

I still think NZ will do better in the 2nd innings.

 

[Hyperion66]

A team that took a grand total of 14 wickets in a 2 test series at an average of 88 and ER of 4.05 is somehow more promising than these sides with "mediocre" players. Cool story bro.

Pak bowling right now is one of the worst amongst test playing nations, perhaps the worst in fact , words can't describe how crap it is.

 

[KingT]

Pak bowling right now is one of the worst amongst test playing nations, perhaps the worst in fact , words can't describe how crap it is.

The bowling attack which drew with eng in eng 1-1, beat Aus at home 1-0, and gave a tough competition to the Saffers in SA is the worst bowling attack? Just because Pakistan couldn't compete in Aus they're the worst bowling attack?)

Are you smoking something or are you just trying to troll?

As I've said numerous times before, drop the arrogance.
You've only won in Aus stop acting like you're the Aus of the 00s.
I'd love to see your reaction when you get thrashed in NZ

 

[BreadPakoda]

2019 bowling averages by teams

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Can you share the last 3 years numbers pls, or share the link for the query. Thanks.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Can you share the last 3 years numbers pls, or share the link for the query. Thanks.

For last 3 years.

 

[BreadPakoda]

For last 3 years.

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Thanks. [MENTION=151706]KingT[/MENTION] - Bottom dwellers in the table, just above Sri Lanka, Zimbabwe, and Bangladesh. And going by more recent form, Sri Lanka has left Pakistan behind.

 

[KingT]

Thanks. [MENTION=151706]KingT[/MENTION] - Bottom dwellers in the table, just above Sri Lanka, Zimbabwe, and Bangladesh. And going by more recent form, Sri Lanka has left Pakistan behind.

Lol what's the difference between 29 and 31? )
The bottom dwellers are the ones who are averaging 35+ in the last 3 years.

Just using the 2019 stats because they suit your narrative doesn't make sense.

 

[Hyperion66]

The bowling attack which drew with eng in eng 1-1, beat Aus at home 1-0, and gave a tough competition to the Saffers in SA is the worst bowling attack? Just because Pakistan couldn't compete in Aus they're the worst bowling attack?)

Are you smoking something or are you just trying to troll?

As I've said numerous times before, drop the arrogance.
You've only won in Aus stop acting like you're the Aus of the 00s.
I'd love to see your reaction when you get thrashed in NZ

I totally expected you to get triggered and type a childish reply. You need to take English lessons and improve your cognitive ability as I clearly mentioned 'Right Now' in my reply. with your fast bowling being spearheaded by two kids backed by an aged trundler and a spinner that gives out like thousands of runs per series, yes your test attack is one of the worst in the world currently. High time you accept it and move on, denial will only elongate the agony.

 

[BreadPakoda]

Lol what's the difference between 29 and 31? )
The bottom dwellers are the ones who are averaging 35+ in the last 3 years.

Just using the 2019 stats because they suit your narrative doesn't make sense.

31.80 rounds off to 32 and not 31. And a 50-60 runs difference across 2 innings is huge in a test match. Also, 2019 stats are relevant - some context helps. Yasir and Abbas had some freak performances before 2019 and now they have been exposed. Yasir can't turn the ball and Abbas is a very ordinary trundler. Your next best bowler Shaheen averages 32+.

I understand that its a hard pill to swallow for you but your bowling is an embarrassment.

 

[KingT]

I totally expected you to get triggered and type a childish reply. You need to take English lessons and improve your cognitive ability as I clearly mentioned 'Right Now' in my reply. with your fast bowling being spearheaded by two kids backed by an aged trundler and a spinner that gives out like thousands of runs per series, yes your test attack is one of the worst in the world currently. High time you accept it and move on, denial will only elongate the agony.

This honeymoon phase that you and your team are in isn't going to last much longer.
Once one of your batsmen loses their form (preferably Kohli), I'd love to see how your team falters.

Also, I was referring to your comment that we "may even be the worst". So it's you who needs to take English comprehension lessons but I assume that they're scarcely available in ModiLand

 

[KingT]

31.80 rounds off to 32 and not 31. And a 50-60 runs difference across 2 innings is huge in a test match. Also, 2019 stats are relevant - some context helps. Yasir and Abbas had some freak performances before 2019 and now they have been exposed. Yasir can't turn the ball and Abbas is a very ordinary trundler. Your next best bowler Shaheen averages 32+.

I understand that its a hard pill to swallow for you but your bowling is an embarrassment.

Ok Mr. Pakoda
Maybe you should look at the matches played too. We just haven't played enough matches in the last 3 years and as we have new bowlers in our lineup they're finding it difficult as they're inexperienced. Compare it to a team like NZ despite them playing around the same number of matches as us it's not really affecting their performance that much because they have experienced bowlers such as Southee, Boult etc. We don't.

So your comment that our bowling is an "embarrassment" is ignorant and a very Indian troll-esque comment. They're just inexperienced (barring Yasir).

Also, if we are an embarrassment would you say the same thing for England's bowling performance pre-Archer?

 

[Hyperion66]

This honeymoon phase that you and your team are in isn't going to last much longer.
Once one of your batsmen loses their form (preferably Kohli), I'd love to see how your team falters.

Also, I was referring to your comment that we "may even be the worst". So it's you who needs to take English comprehension lessons but I assume that they're scarcely available in ModiLand

We are the most consistent team in the world by some margin and for years together now if we combine all the formats, not some borderline minnow level team that requires a 'Honeymoon phase' to fluke out some wins. Considering how hopeless your team is right now no wonder you wish to see us lose to feel the happiness that your own team isn't able to deliver.

This year you performed better than Bangladesh bowling-wise. Cheers man, at least not the worst, what a legendary achievement, totally caught me off guard, didn't see this coming.

 

[KingT]

We are the most consistent team in the world by some margin and for years together now if we combine all the formats, not some borderline minnow level team that requires a 'Honeymoon phase' to fluke out some wins. Considering how hopeless your team is right now no wonder you wish to see us lose to feel the happiness that your own team isn't able to deliver.

This year you performed better than Bangladesh bowling-wise. Cheers man, at least not the worst, what a legendary achievement, totally caught me off guard, didn't see this coming.

Last time I checked, you'd lost 2-1 in SA and 4-1 in England

Definitely the most consistent team... at home

 

[Hyperion66]

Last time I checked, you'd lost 2-1 in SA and 4-1 in England

Definitely the most consistent team... at home

Check out the stats and win/loss ratio of all teams for last 3,4,5, 10 years. being consistent doesn't mean unbeatable or invincible genius!!
[MENTION=140806]jnaveen1980[/MENTION] could you kindly post the table paji?

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Lol what's the difference between 29 and 31? )
The bottom dwellers are the ones who are averaging 35+ in the last 3 years.

Just using the 2019 stats because they suit your narrative doesn't make sense.

It's a big difference when you consider the number of matches that have been played over the time period.

 

[KingT]

It's a big difference when you consider the number of matches that have been played over the time period.

Then that makes it worse for the teams above us because despite us performing so poorly in recent years we're only a few points below them. This also tells us that they've consistently been bowling poorly. While we've bowled poorly yes but the sample size is a lot smaller

 

[BreadPakoda]

This honeymoon phase that you and your team are in isn't going to last much longer.
Once one of your batsmen loses their form (preferably Kohli), I'd love to see how your team falters.

Also, I was referring to your comment that we "may even be the worst". So it's you who needs to take English comprehension lessons but I assume that they're scarcely available in ModiLand

You'd love to see our team falter?

Triggered much. Save your bottom dweller team first.

 

[KingT]

You'd love to see our team falter?

Triggered much. Save your bottom dweller team first.

Concentrate on the reply I gave you rather than the reply I gave to your Indian friend

 

[BreadPakoda]

Check out the stats and win/loss ratio of all teams for last 3,4,5, 10 years. being consistent doesn't mean unbeatable or invincible genius!!
[MENTION=140806]jnaveen1980[/MENTION] could you kindly post the table paji?

No data is going to help him. In fact no one can help him if he can't see what is there for everyone to see.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Then that makes it worse for the teams above us because despite us performing so poorly in recent years we're only a few points below them. This also tells us that they've consistently been bowling poorly. While we've bowled poorly yes but the sample size is a lot smaller

The difference in averages is not usually bigger than this over any era. So it does not say anything about other teams' bowling performances . Pakistan had an extremely good bowling year in 2018 but it was rubbish the year before and after that.

 

[Hyperion66]

No data is going to help him. In fact no one can help him if he can't see what is there for everyone to see.

Lol True.

Even when I am at my worst mood-wise, I still don't wish bad for Pak or any other team for that matter. His last comment was truly deplorable even by his standard.

 

[Abdullah476]

Lol True.

Even when I am at my worst mood-wise, I still don't wish bad for Pak or any other team for that matter. His last comment was truly deplorable even by his standard.

Please ignore such comments. We all wish India does well because they're our neighbours but people like KingT mix politics with sports and there's no denying some Indians do that too.

No one truly wishes bad on your team and I hope that you don't wish bad on us either. Some people just get carried out away when they're in an argument it's not to be taken seriously.

Respect and Peace

 

[Hyperion66]

Please ignore such comments. We all wish India does well because they're our neighbours but people like KingT mix politics with sports and there's no denying some Indians do that too.

No one truly wishes bad on your team and I hope that you don't wish bad on us either. Some people just get carried out away when they're in an argument it's not to be taken seriously.

Respect and Peace

Respect and peace to you too man. You are a wonderful addition to this board.

 

[tyron_woodley]

The bowling attack which drew with eng in eng 1-1, beat Aus at home 1-0, and gave a tough competition to the Saffers in SA is the worst bowling attack? Just because Pakistan couldn't compete in Aus they're the worst bowling attack?)

Are you smoking something or are you just trying to troll?

As I've said numerous times before, drop the arrogance.
You've only won in Aus stop acting like you're the Aus of the 00s.
I'd love to see your reaction when you get thrashed in NZ

worldnnumber 1. already held that title for longer than Graeme Smith's saffers.
best bowling attack in the world.
top 2 batting order

There is every reason to be arrogant. One of the greatest teams of all time. easily top 4/5.
GOAT home bashing team of all time probably as well.

 

[tyron_woodley]

Last time I checked, you'd lost 2-1 in SA and 4-1 in England

Definitely the most consistent team... at home

so what?
great teams have lost series before. You learn from failures.
Graeme Smith's team lost at home to Australia twice and to England. They won away.

India did it the other way around. crushing teams at home and losing closely contested series' away whilst still managing to win a few away series' in the process barring the England series.

 

[The cricket enthusiast]

least i hope from misbah as a coach is to somehow break into top 4 in test

 

[Hyperion66]

least i hope from misbah as a coach is to somehow break into top 4 in test

Top 5 is more realistic IMHO, Don't think Pak can get past Ind, Aus, NZ and Eng in near future. SA is possible. Even overtaking SL and Windies won't be easy.

 

[saeed5646]

The last 24 hours have actually really seen Pakistan's situation improve markedly.

Remember:

1. The Top Two teams contest the Final at Lords.
2. India is halfway there already.
3. South Africa is halfway out already.

Pakistan's qualifying draw is as follows:

Australia AWAY
Sri Lanka HOME
Bangladesh HOME
New Zealand AWAY
England AWAY
South Africa HOME

So what has changed?

1. Sri Lanka look like playing in Pakistan. But more importantly, with an understrength team which will arrive unprepared at the eleventh hour.

2. Bangladesh will be without their only world class cricketer as he has been banned for not reporting a corrupt approach.

This is a real opportunity for Pakistan. New Zealand only has 1 world class batsmen and 1 world class bowler. England is exactly the same, and Pakistan drew their last 2 Test series there.

To be quite frank, if Pakistan can concentrate on how to win a greentop pink ball shootout at Adelaide, they can go a long way towards reaching the World Test Championship Final.

And don't forget, in 2018 when Pakistan drew a Test series in England 1-1, India lost their own Test series there 4-1.

SL Done
bd almost done .Don,t see them winning karachi test pakistan are very strong their

Next will be england which will be very tough due to brittle batting lineup and over the hill yasir

 

[Usman Chadda]

SL Done
bd almost done .Don,t see them winning karachi test pakistan are very strong their

Next will be england which will be very tough due to brittle batting lineup and over the hill yasir

Abbas will be key to the England tour.

Shaheen and Naseem will be used as enforcers, and I doubt Yasir will play. Faheem will probably play as the fourth seamer.

 

[Mamoon]

After we are done touring England and New Zealand this year, the door will be shut tight, locked and the key will be thrown away.

 

[Hasan123]

We need to win the England series to have a chance. We also need Australia to start losing.

 

[Xoib]

2021-2023 Is our best chance as we travel to wi,sl and BD and play aus,eng nzl at home

 

[Junaids]

After we are done touring England and New Zealand this year, the door will be shut tight, locked and the key will be thrown away.

Pakistan is very much alive, actually.

Currently the table is:

India 360 points
Australia 296 points
England 146 points
Pakistan 140 points.

If Pakistan wins the next Test against Bangladesh they go up to 200 points.

If they win 2-1 in England - after drawing the last two series there - they go up to 280 points.

If they beat South Africa at home they can reach 400 points.

They could then go to New Zealand this time next year in a situation in which a 2-0 win would give them 520 points and get them into the Final.

Australia is in a delicate position: they could easily finish:

Losing 3-1 at home to India (30 points)
Drawing 1-1 in Bangladesh (60 points)
Drawing 2-2 in South Africa (60 points)

That would leave Australia on 446 points and Pakistan on 400 points going into their series in New Zealand: Pakistan would reach the Final ahead of Australia is they won at least 1 Test.

 

[Forward Defensive Push]

Pakistan is very much alive, actually.

Currently the table is:

India 360 points
Australia 296 points
England 146 points
Pakistan 140 points.

If Pakistan wins the next Test against Bangladesh they go up to 200 points.

If they win 2-1 in England - after drawing the last two series there - they go up to 280 points.

If they beat South Africa at home they can reach 400 points.

They could then go to New Zealand this time next year in a situation in which a 2-0 win would give them 520 points and get them into the Final.

Australia is in a delicate position: they could easily finish:

Losing 3-1 at home to India (30 points)
Drawing 1-1 in Bangladesh (60 points)
Drawing 2-2 in South Africa (60 points)

That would leave Australia on 446 points and Pakistan on 400 points going into their series in New Zealand: Pakistan would reach the Final ahead of Australia is they won at least 1 Test.

So if everything really goes perfectly we,ll Pakistan will reach the final. I think we're better off keeping hopes in check and lan for the next cycle.

 

[Ab Fan]

Pakistan is very much alive, actually.

Currently the table is:

India 360 points
Australia 296 points
England 146 points
Pakistan 140 points.

If Pakistan wins the next Test against Bangladesh they go up to 200 points.

If they win 2-1 in England - after drawing the last two series there - they go up to 280 points.

If they beat South Africa at home they can reach 400 points.

They could then go to New Zealand this time next year in a situation in which a 2-0 win would give them 520 points and get them into the Final.

Australia is in a delicate position: they could easily finish:

Losing 3-1 at home to India (30 points)
Drawing 1-1 in Bangladesh (60 points)
Drawing 2-2 in South Africa (60 points)

That would leave Australia on 446 points and Pakistan on 400 points going into their series in New Zealand: Pakistan would reach the Final ahead of Australia is they won at least 1 Test.

Neither would Australia lose 1-3 to India at home nor Pakistan gonna win anything in New Zealand.

The current version of Australia can also beat Bangladesh in Bangladesh. Either way, Pakistan will anyways be humiliated if they face India in the finals.

 

[Mamoon]

Pakistan is very much alive, actually.

Currently the table is:

India 360 points
Australia 296 points
England 146 points
Pakistan 140 points.

If Pakistan wins the next Test against Bangladesh they go up to 200 points.

If they win 2-1 in England - after drawing the last two series there - they go up to 280 points.

If they beat South Africa at home they can reach 400 points.

They could then go to New Zealand this time next year in a situation in which a 2-0 win would give them 520 points and get them into the Final.

Australia is in a delicate position: they could easily finish:

Losing 3-1 at home to India (30 points)
Drawing 1-1 in Bangladesh (60 points)
Drawing 2-2 in South Africa (60 points)

That would leave Australia on 446 points and Pakistan on 400 points going into their series in New Zealand: Pakistan would reach the Final ahead of Australia is they won at least 1 Test.

Well this is not rocket science. You can say the same about any side, i.e. if they win every Test series they will make it to the final.

The problem is that Pakistan is mediocre and it will not win in England and New Zealand and thus, it will not qualify for the final.

The World Test Championship final is 100% set in stone - it will be India vs Australia or England.

 

[tyron_woodley]

Pakistan is very much alive, actually.

Currently the table is:

India 360 points
Australia 296 points
England 146 points
Pakistan 140 points.

If Pakistan wins the next Test against Bangladesh they go up to 200 points.

If they win 2-1 in England - after drawing the last two series there - they go up to 280 points.

If they beat South Africa at home they can reach 400 points.

They could then go to New Zealand this time next year in a situation in which a 2-0 win would give them 520 points and get them into the Final.

Australia is in a delicate position: they could easily finish:

Losing 3-1 at home to India (30 points)
Drawing 1-1 in Bangladesh (60 points)
Drawing 2-2 in South Africa (60 points)

That would leave Australia on 446 points and Pakistan on 400 points going into their series in New Zealand: Pakistan would reach the Final ahead of Australia is they won at least 1 Test.

Australia won't lose 3 - 1 at home to india unless bumrah is back in crazy form.

I predict a draw or closely fought win for either side. 2-1.

england could definitely lose 4 0 or 5 0 to india though.

 

[Danyaalr01]

We really needed that win against Sri Lanka at Rawalpindi, unfortunately that was washed out.

 

[Junaids]

Well this is not rocket science. You can say the same about any side, i.e. if they win every Test series they will make it to the final.

The problem is that Pakistan is mediocre and it will not win in England and New Zealand and thus, it will not qualify for the final.

The World Test Championship final is 100% set in stone - it will be India vs Australia or England.

Except......

New Zealand is in steep decline.

England is basically Ben Stokes and Joe Root, plus some ancient medium pacers and an injury prone express bowler.

Pakistan has by far the best young quicks in the world in Shaheen Shah Afridi and Naseem Shah. They are going to win Test matches so long as the batsmen score enough runs.

 

[Balthazar]

Pakistan is very much alive, actually.

Currently the table is:

India 360 points
Australia 296 points
England 146 points
Pakistan 140 points.

If Pakistan wins the next Test against Bangladesh they go up to 200 points.

If they win 2-1 in England - after drawing the last two series there - they go up to 280 points.

If they beat South Africa at home they can reach 400 points.

They could then go to New Zealand this time next year in a situation in which a 2-0 win would give them 520 points and get them into the Final.

Australia is in a delicate position: they could easily finish:

Losing 3-1 at home to India (30 points)
Drawing 1-1 in Bangladesh (60 points)
Drawing 2-2 in South Africa (60 points)

That would leave Australia on 446 points and Pakistan on 400 points going into their series in New Zealand: Pakistan would reach the Final ahead of Australia is they won at least 1 Test.

Don't see Australia losing to Bangladesh, SA and even India this time around. It will be India vs Australia at Lords for the first championship.

 

[Mamoon]

Except......

New Zealand is in steep decline.

England is basically Ben Stokes and Joe Root, plus some ancient medium pacers and an injury prone express bowler.

Pakistan has by far the best young quicks in the world in Shaheen Shah Afridi and Naseem Shah. They are going to win Test matches so long as the batsmen score enough runs.

We see similar justifications before every tour that explain why Pakistan will end up winning, but we always get battered everywhere.

We have seen explanations of why Pakistan should succeed in the 2016 tours of Australia and New Zealand, 2019 tour of South Africa, 2019 tour of Australia.

We all saw what happened in the end, and nothing will be different this time.

I can come up with hundreds of reasons why England and New Zealand should be thumping this terribly ordinary team black and blue.

While we did well in England in 2016 and 2018, things are different now. England have made some solid changes to their Test side which should be enough for them to beat us.

I can guarantee with 100% certainty that Pakistan will not win in England and New Zealand. We can bump this thread in due time.

Pakistan is a deeply mediocre team that does not deserve to be ranked anything above 5th or 6th. We have a 0% chance of making it to the WTC Final.

 

[taqi]

it would be best if we finish in top 4 playing final is not possible.

There should be semifinals or Playoffs in WTC t keep the competition live till end.

 

[Rana]

Pakistan is very much alive, actually.

Currently the table is:

India 360 points
Australia 296 points
England 146 points
Pakistan 140 points.

If Pakistan wins the next Test against Bangladesh they go up to 200 points.

If they win 2-1 in England - after drawing the last two series there - they go up to 280 points.

If they beat South Africa at home they can reach 400 points.

They could then go to New Zealand this time next year in a situation in which a 2-0 win would give them 520 points and get them into the Final.

Australia is in a delicate position: they could easily finish:

Losing 3-1 at home to India (30 points)
Drawing 1-1 in Bangladesh (60 points)
Drawing 2-2 in South Africa (60 points)

That would leave Australia on 446 points and Pakistan on 400 points going into their series in New Zealand: Pakistan would reach the Final ahead of Australia is they won at least 1 Test.

Playing for points and being in a good position to qualify for top 4 is much more exciting than playing routine Test matches away. So I expect Pakistan to stay focused on these tough away tours.

 

[Rana]

Except......

New Zealand is in steep decline.

England is basically Ben Stokes and Joe Root, plus some ancient medium pacers and an injury prone express bowler.

Pakistan has by far the best young quicks in the world in Shaheen Shah Afridi and Naseem Shah. They are going to win Test matches so long as the batsmen score enough runs.

Ollie Pope is very good. England are not as weak but Pakistan are not facing India or Australia here. It will be a good contest

 

[tyron_woodley]

pakistam to draw vs England away

should beat south africa at home 1 -0

n.z away will be a tossup. I am going to say a draw again.

Am I missing anyone else? top 3 is certainly possible.

 

[zulfiqar]

I think India and Australia are the best teams right now so that's probably going to be the outcome (would be a great match!).

We just need to focus on building our team from strength-to-strength and take it one test match at a time. That said, would love for someone to update the table at the end of the Bangladesh series. I'm excited about the England series because their team hasn't exactly been playing that well and we typically do well there.

 

[Junaids]

Keep your eyes on the real prize.

I have it from an ECB source that the Big Three has a secret plan to change the format beyond 2021 if Pakistan drops out of the Top Four.

At that stage they will go for two divisions, with the Big Three plus New Zealand and/or South Africa as Division 1 playing each other home and away in the 2021-23 World Test Championship.

Pakistan would be relegated to only ever playing against Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, West Indies and Zimbabwe.

Pakistan has a clear way to prevent this - they need to finish third, above England.

 

[Junaids]

Keep your eyes on the real prize.

I have it from an ECB source that the Big Three has a secret plan to change the format beyond 2021 if Pakistan drops out of the Top Four.

At that stage they will go for two divisions, with the Big Three plus New Zealand and/or South Africa as Division 1 playing each other home and away in the 2021-23 World Test Championship.

Pakistan would be relegated to only ever playing against Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, West Indies and Zimbabwe.

Pakistan has a clear way to prevent this - they need to finish third, above England.

Obviously this has been messed up by NZ and SA doing so badly!

 

[Abdullah]

Let's try to end 3rd.
That is very much a reasonable challenge for our team.
Would be a great performance.
Will it shut mamoon up. Probably not.
The rained of game vs SL has made qualifying tough, just like the world cup

 

[sweep_shot]

Realistically, Australia and India should meet in the final. However, both England and Pakistan have small chances.

Pakistan needs to win the series in England. If they can't win, they are likely going to be eliminated (even if they defeat NZ and South Africa).

 

[tyron_woodley]

Keep your eyes on the real prize.

I have it from an ECB source that the Big Three has a secret plan to change the format beyond 2021 if Pakistan drops out of the Top Four.

At that stage they will go for two divisions, with the Big Three plus New Zealand and/or South Africa as Division 1 playing each other home and away in the 2021-23 World Test Championship.

Pakistan would be relegated to only ever playing against Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, West Indies and Zimbabwe.

Pakistan has a clear way to prevent this - they need to finish third, above England.

that would be unfair. Pakistan cannot be eliminated like that. Pakistan has won more international titles than England and are a formidable side. They have always been a good side.

big 3 plus south africa or new zeland plus pakistan. I think the matches between pakistan/England/new zeland/south Africa will decide the number 4 team in the setup you mentioned.

I predict pakistan 3 and england 4. 5th should be n.z I suppose.

wouldn't be surprised if n.z finish 4th by beating pakistan and England either.

 

[Mamoon]

So what is the situation now? Have we made it to the top of the table?

 

[MMHS]

India yes, but possibly not Australia.

Australia’s three Home qualifying series are against India, New Zealand and Pakistan, which is not a great draw for them.

And they drew the away series in England, have to play South Africa away and will get given square turners in Bangladesh.

Frankly I don’t fancy Australia’s chances.

I think their record will be

India L
New Zealand D
Pakistan W
South Africa L
Bangladesh D
England D

So of 6 series, 1 won 3 drawn 2 lost.

Man, you have some foresight.....

 

[Hasan123]

Pakistan have no business in a test championship final. The 2 teams in the test championship final will be consistent,professional, and have quality players.

 

[shamaan]

Pakistan have no business in a test championship final. The 2 teams in the test championship final will be consistent,professional, and have quality players.

Austrlia and india

 

[BreadPakoda]

England is basically Ben Stokes and Joe Root, plus some ancient medium pacers and an injury prone express bowler.

Pakistan has by far the best young quicks in the world in Shaheen Shah Afridi and Naseem Shah. They are going to win Test matches so long as the batsmen score enough runs.

Ben Stokes out of the side due to family reasons. Joe Root in horrible form. I’d say this is the best chance for Pakistan. Backing the two best young quicks in the world not letting England cross 200 in any innings.

 

[sweep_shot]

Austrlia and india

NZ have an outside chance because their remaining assignments are easy (Bangladesh, Pakistan, and West Indies).

 

[Ab Fan]

It's most likely England are winning this. So, they will be at 319 now and 2nd point. Eng vs Ind and Aus vs Ind later this year and next year gonna be a blockbuster for sure.

NZ have a good chance as well. When are their next series coming up?

 

[JaDed]

Have no hopes from us after the NZ debacle

 

[Varun]

England is basically Ben Stokes and Joe Root, plus some ancient medium pacers and an injury prone express bowler.

Pakistan has by far the best young quicks in the world in Shaheen Shah Afridi and Naseem Shah. They are going to win Test matches so long as the batsmen score enough runs.

I think you deserve to get honorary Pakistani citizenship unlike Darren Sammy.

 

[Tridibans_16]

Except......

New Zealand is in steep decline.

England is basically Ben Stokes and Joe Root, plus some ancient medium pacers and an injury prone express bowler.

Pakistan has by far the best young quicks in the world in Shaheen Shah Afridi and Naseem Shah. They are going to win Test matches so long as the batsmen score enough runs.

You are the best poster on PP. So thoughtful and insightful. Also, all your predictions almost always turn up 100% true.

 

[Tridibans_16]

I think you deserve to get honorary Pakistani citizenship unlike Darren Sammy.

Lol

 

[Mamoon]

So how is the pathway looking like?

 

[Ab Fan]

pakistam to draw vs England away

should beat south africa at home 1 -0

n.z away will be a tossup. I am going to say a draw again.

Am I missing anyone else? top 3 is certainly possible.

Lol )

 

[MMHS]

Except......

New Zealand is in steep decline.

England is basically Ben Stokes and Joe Root, plus some ancient medium pacers and an injury prone express bowler.

Pakistan has by far the best young quicks in the world in Shaheen Shah Afridi and Naseem Shah. They are going to win Test matches so long as the batsmen score enough runs.

If this is New Zeeland in stiff decline, I wonder what they could have done to PAK had the been in their pomp ......

The bold line was a trolling effort - to give a joy ride for the navies; you are given full marks for it.

 

[Junaids]

If this is New Zeeland in stiff decline, I wonder what they could have done to PAK had the been in their pomp ......

The bold line was a trolling effort - to give a joy ride for the navies; you are given full marks for it.

You know as well as I do that Inzamam bequeathed Misbah a team in which EIGHT of the starting eleven in his final Test were aged 20-29.

Now Misbah has discarded akmost all the players at their peak, and NOT A SINGLE SPECIALIST BATSMAN is aged under 30.

This is not an international team. It is one incompetent buffoon's fantasy of turning the national team into a Nursing Home for Ailing Seniors.

 

[Shazzam]

When Misbah took office we never had a pathway

 

[MMHS]

You know as well as I do that Inzamam bequeathed Misbah a team in which EIGHT of the starting eleven in his final Test were aged 20-29.

Now Misbah has discarded akmost all the players at their peak, and NOT A SINGLE SPECIALIST BATSMAN is aged under 30.

This is not an international team. It is one incompetent buffoon's fantasy of turning the national team into a Nursing Home for Ailing Seniors.

Please - don't waste my time with your usual goal post shifting.... you know what I am telling here, please don't force me to copy each of your "thoughts" in this thread and paste here. I'll do that, trust me.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

NZ really are in steep decline. Allowing hacks like faheem to score runs lol. That said , with the 2 best young quicks and Shaheen and Naseem, Pakostsn have no excuses to not win this test.

 

[Hasan123]

Lol the tittle cracks me up.


How the heck are New Zealand in steep decline? I swear whilst I have been on PP every test playing nation at least 1 poster has said that team is in decline or finished.

 

[YousafTheBeast]

Lol the tittle cracks me up.


How the heck are New Zealand in steep decline? I swear whilst I have been on PP every test playing nation at least 1 poster has said that team is in decline or finished.

It’s easy to look macho on your on turf. If NZ toured Pak, we’d whitewash them in tests too.

 

[YousafTheBeast]

NZ really are in steep decline. Allowing hacks like faheem to score runs lol. That said , with the 2 best young quicks and Shaheen and Naseem, Pakostsn have no excuses to not win this test.

Two young inexperienced quicks who have yet to peak, in contrast to NZ who have bhuday babhe in their bowling attack. In 5-6 years we’ll see what the hype was all about in regards to Naseem and Husnain.

 

[Hasan123]

It’s easy to look macho on your on turf. If NZ toured Pak, we’d whitewash them in tests too.

New Zealand beat us in UAE.

 

[YousafTheBeast]

New Zealand beat us in UAE.

UAE isn’t the same as Pak. I’d say the New Zealand squad has more experience of playing in the UAE than our players so where’s the home advantage?

New Zealand would be made to look like a Pakistan team that’s touring Aus.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

Lol )

To be honest he wasn’t super bad about the draw in England. We almost won the series but ended up losing the series in about half an hour. Draw prediction averages out.

Saffers at home, still hasn’t happened.

NZ... lol )

 

[Mesozoic]

UAE isn’t the same as Pak. I’d say the New Zealand squad has more experience of playing in the UAE than our players so where’s the home advantage?

New Zealand would be made to look like a Pakistan team that’s touring Aus.

What's the MO of Pakistani wickets?

How are they different to the UAE ones if at all they are? Do they have more pace, bounce and movement? If they do, then New Zealand has a much better bowling attack that can take advantage. Their batters too are more accustomed to play in those type of conditions.

And if you're implying that there are absolute flatbed batting paradises , then there's no "home advantage" there too as New Zealand has comfortably the better batting lineup.

And at last if you're implying that they assist spinners a lot more, then we saw how Pak capitulated to Ajaz Patel and Somerville last time around in the UAE so not much hope there as well. And arguably, NZ have better players of spin (Williamson, Taylor, Watling etc) than Pakistan.

Point is....NZ are a much better test team than Pakistan and have all bases covered. So it wouldn't matter where they're playing. Home advantage works when the opposition has glaring weakness in one area (Ban Vs Eng/Aus , SL Vs Aus/RSA) or if the two teams concerned are almost evenly matched (Ind Vs Aus, Eng Vs Ind, Pak Vs SL etc).....

So no. Pakistan wouldn't make New Zealand look anything like Pak in Australia.

 

[Hasan123]

UAE isn’t the same as Pak. I’d say the New Zealand squad has more experience of playing in the UAE than our players so where’s the home advantage?

New Zealand would be made to look like a Pakistan team that’s touring Aus.

It would be a close series. No way would Pakistan beat NZ like Australia do .

 

[Rajdeep]

India lost SEVEN Test matches last year.

Sure, they beat Australia when Australia’s two best batsmen were suspended.

But they are a team with nine journeymen, Kohli and Bumrah. It’s just a fact.

India just beat full strength Australia in Australia without Kohli and 10 journeyman. Hope you enjoyed it.