Mamoon
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I repeat - this is a complete farce. It is a complete disaster.
It is unacceptable.
It is unacceptable.
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Apologies for interrupting all the bhangra, fireworks and cartwheels, but I am not sure why people are congratulating PCB.
The scheduling is a complete farce. They are going to play two tests over 3 months which is ridiculous.
The April leg of the so-called tour is pointless.
It appears that they are going to “test” the security situation in the first Test in February and then make PCB sweat again over whether they will come back for the April Test or not.
It is a complete joke. PCB have been humiliated with this insulting arrangement.
BCB wanted to achieve what they wanted, i.e. to make PCB beg. As far as Mani and Wasim are concerned, well if you beg long and hard enough you will end up with a bone to chew on.
If they think they deserve pats on the back for agreeing to this joke of a schedule, they thought wrong.
The fact that people are jumping in glee also sums it up. We have become so desperate that we will allow others to spit in our face as long as we get to host matches.
I feel embarrassed today.
I repeat - this is a complete farce. It is a complete disaster.
It is unacceptable.
I repeat - this is a complete farce. It is a complete disaster.
It is unacceptable.
On 4th of January 2020 you said this:
"However, if you want the truth, I will give you the truth in explicit terms.
If I didn’t have the misfortune of being a Pakistani and if I were a cricket aficionado in some other country, Pakistan would have been the last team that I would have supported.
I despise everything about Pakistan cricket - I think the team is completely garbage, our cricket culture is rotten to the core, and I hate how deluded are fans are. Moreover, I have no love or respect for our cricket history.
If you expect positivity, passion and love for Pakistan cricket, you are looking at the wrong person."
Aur ab aapko embarassment mahsoos ho rahi hai? This is a day of jubilation for you, PCB has been humiliated with an insulting agreement in your own words. Why the embarrasment brother?
Don’t make this about me, stick to the topic. I don’t want to explain myself again. This arrangement should be humiliating for every Pakistani fan with self-respect.
I repeat - this is a complete farce. It is a complete disaster.
It is unacceptable.
I repeat - this is a complete farce. It is a complete disaster.
It is unacceptable.
BCB had no intention of playing Test cricket in Pakistan. That is how it was from the start and that is how it is now, so they clearly stuck to their guns.
This was their opportunity to pay back and they did it. PCB deserves this humiliation.
These “excuses” were/are only intended to make PCB look miserable. BCB dragged this issue even though they knew that ultimately they would not play Tests in Pakistan.
PCB cannot force teams to tour Pakistan and other teams are not obliged to play Tests in Pakistan because Sri Lanka did.
This is absurd. I cannot believe people are actually happy with this and I am being blasted for “trolling”.
This is absurd. I cannot believe people are actually happy with this and I am being blasted for “trolling”.
I repeat - this is a complete farce. It is a complete disaster.
It is unacceptable.
Bangladesh and its people occupy a different place in the mind-set of Pakistani people for many reasons, some related to this issue are as follows:
1) Bangladesh was previously East-Pakistan so many Pakistanees still view
Bangladesh (fondly) as little brother, this feeling and view is not reciprocated
2) Bangladesh is a Muslim country so in the Pakistani psyche, people are looking for assistance in their hour of need in name of common religion, and this brotherly feeling is also not reciprocated
3) Bangladesh and its cricket was helped by Pakistan and there is expectation that they will reciprocate in Pakistan’s hour of need
Bangladesh is doing nothing different to Sri Lanka and Pakistani people did not react in the same manner, it is clear that the feeling is more personal as compared to Sri Lanka. Sri Lanka has deep military ties with Pakistan and there is leverage which can be pulled with Sri Lanka but Pakistan has no such leverage with Bangladesh. The Government of Bangladesh is dead set against Pakistan and they will leave no stone unturned to humiliated Pakistan, it is for their domestic consumption. The electorate needs to be shown that Bangladesh is the “Boss” and mighty Pakistanees have to “beg” for favours.
I am Sorry to spell this out for naïve people of Pakistan maybe because many people of Pakistan have never encountered people of Bangladesh and Sri Lanka and are unable to analyse the reaction of both countries towards Pakistan. The only way to get Bangladesh to visit Pakistan is via subterfuge and/or legal coercion. The subterfuge would be to let the T20 series (and then PSL) go through and that pretty much demolishes the argument the argument that Pakistan in unsafe. Once both of these events have been held successfully, Pakistan is in a very strong diplomatic and legal position, Bangladesh will have to visit or forfeit their points.
But this strategy requires understanding the psyche of your opponent, patience, perseverance and determination and PCB lacks it. In my opinion, Pakistan foreign office and diplomatic expertise should be roped in for assistance.
My message is not politically or religiously motivated but it’s a calm, rational assessment of the situation and I hope that it will not be deleted. When it comes to Bangladesh, nothing can be viewed through the prism of sports or Cricket because it isn’t!
Apologies for interrupting all the bhangra, fireworks and cartwheels, but I am not sure why people are congratulating PCB.
The scheduling is a complete farce. They are going to play two tests over 3 months which is ridiculous.
The April leg of the so-called tour is pointless.
It appears that they are going to “test” the security situation in the first Test in February and then make PCB sweat again over whether they will come back for the April Test or not.
It is a complete joke. PCB have been humiliated with this insulting arrangement.
BCB wanted to achieve what they wanted, i.e. to make PCB beg. As far as Mani and Wasim are concerned, well if you beg long and hard enough you will end up with a bone to chew on.
If they think they deserve pats on the back for agreeing to this joke of a schedule, they thought wrong.
The fact that people are jumping in glee also sums it up. We have become so desperate that we will allow others to spit in our face as long as we get to host matches.
I feel embarrassed today.
With a single ODI to be played then it means PCB will have yo name its new ODI captain.
My brother, please keep your negative opinions to yourself. It's a happy people moment for cricket fans and if it wasn't for the hard work from Wasim Khan and Ehsan Mani, we wouldn't even had a tour. There professional people that know how to talk to other cricket boards in a professional way.It has reached a point where PCB would literally do anything to get teams to play in Pakistan.
Where is the dignity and self-respect?
It has reached a point where PCB would literally do anything to get teams to play in Pakistan.
Where is the dignity and self-respect?
Indeed...
This is absurd. I cannot believe people are actually happy with this and I am being blasted for “trolling”.
A big congratulations to Ehsan mani and Wasim khan. All Wasim khan haters can see why he is the greatest/professional person PCB has ever gotten.��������
This is where Wasim Khan is strongest - negotiations and deal making. No questions this is a great deal and excellent job by him, Mani and the rest of the team.
When it comes to on-field cricketing decisions, Wasim Khan has very limited background about Pakistan cricket - and his choices have been reflective of that, really poor!
It was a fluke I tell ya andCongratulations to PCB and BCB
Hanji phir [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]
On 4th of January 2020 you said this:
"However, if you want the truth, I will give you the truth in explicit terms.
If I didn’t have the misfortune of being a Pakistani and if I were a cricket aficionado in some other country, Pakistan would have been the last team that I would have supported.
I despise everything about Pakistan cricket - I think the team is completely garbage, our cricket culture is rotten to the core, and I hate how deluded are fans are. Moreover, I have no love or respect for our cricket history.
If you expect positivity, passion and love for Pakistan cricket, you are looking at the wrong person."
Aur ab aapko embarassment mahsoos ho rahi hai? This is a day of jubilation for you, PCB has been humiliated with an insulting agreement in your own words. Why the embarrasment brother?
I wouldn't say that he is poor in making decisions about on field cricket. He made one decision that was controversial which was a team decision during the cricket committee which was about Misbah ul haq becoming head coach. It wasn't a really bad decision. There is not another pakistani person that is capable of coaching a team. They couldn't go abroad to have a coach because of the language barrier. Also people dont know but if you read or listen to his autobiography he has coaching experience in UK. Pakistan just needs to be patient.
Apologies for interrupting all the bhangra, fireworks and cartwheels, but I am not sure why people are congratulating PCB.
The scheduling is a complete farce. They are going to play two tests over 3 months which is ridiculous.
The April leg of the so-called tour is pointless.
It appears that they are going to “test” the security situation in the first Test in February and then make PCB sweat again over whether they will come back for the April Test or not.
It is a complete joke. PCB have been humiliated with this insulting arrangement.
BCB wanted to achieve what they wanted, i.e. to make PCB beg. As far as Mani and Wasim are concerned, well if you beg long and hard enough you will end up with a bone to chew on.
If they think they deserve pats on the back for agreeing to this joke of a schedule, they thought wrong.
The fact that people are jumping in glee also sums it up. We have become so desperate that we will allow others to spit in our face as long as we get to host matches.
I feel embarrassed today.
I agree that Misbah ul haq doesnt have any coaching experience. However Misbah was picked because due to his captaincy skills in test cricket and the way he can lead a team. The biggest reason was that he is a modern cricketer who knows what players are good in our domestic structure. Now first of all in New Zealand the head coach is a selector too who has a final say in the selection of squads. I disagree that he is a batting coach. He should only be a head coach and chief selector. It's good that he has these two roles because the coach is now going to be accountable for all decisions instead of before where there were fingers pointed between the selector,coach, and captain.Misbah was appointed as Head Coach, Chief Selector and Batting Coach. No one in world cricket has ever even done 2 of those positions simultaneously, let alone all 3. Misbah also didn't have any significant experience either as a Head Coach, or as Chief Selector. That by definition makes Misbah's appointment a terrible decision.
You assumption that there is no one else in Pakistan who can coach is also incorrect. Just off the top of my head, Mohammad Wasim has been coaching domestically and internationally for years now, and has lead his teams to multiple domestic championships.
So clearly Wasim Khan has made poor on-field cricketing decisions. His other work (BD tour, PSL in Pakistan) has been exceptional.
Wasim Khan has done wonders here Mamoon - I wrote in the earlier stages of this saga that in either side, this guy is only professional and let him handle it silently, he'll get something out of it. In last three months, what he has achieved with SLCB, BCB & CA is worth several times more than what he'll charge in 3 years as salary.
Forget about BCB, if it was usual PCB heads like Sethi, Ashraf, Butt or even SK (can't be respectful to him in this regard, though an outstanding diplomat & bureaucrat; he was actually indirect boss of one of Mom's cousin, 1966 batch EPCS officer, heard about him), even PCB would have goofed-up with SRL tour as well. Your Foreign Minister gives a good glimpse of the likes of usual PAK leadership & diplomacy - don't expect better from PCB heads either. In fact, it's probably better that this nice guy Mani was incognito here.
I think, BCB genuinely had to ask for this arrangements (split tours), because players and coaching staffs had demanded it - otherwise it won't be easy for BCB either to back-forth a lot of 30+ high profile people and arrange practice sessions in home. For PCB - whatever comes is a bonus as long as they can arrange Test matches at home. Also, SRL agreed to play Tests without any match practice - you can't ask that from other boards. In future, it might happen that Test touring teams in PAK will play some practice games in BD and fly back-forth to PAK eventually settling down for 7-10 weeks tours; which still is better than no tours.
We must appreciate WK here and Papon as well - guy got a good "nasihat" from his "Aapu". BUT, now it's the ball on Imran's court (has he still kept Interior Ministry under him? quite silly, if so - being PM managing the raw job of handling "pulish" is the last thing one should do) - he must make sure that his police & army will keep this series "issue free" (which includes stone throwing from Karachi crowd), until and unless there is a nuke attack on Pakistan.
Wasim Khan should be given a small national award (title) here to be honest (& a pay raise - otherwise, some other boards might poach him - PCB pays him lower than my VP here!!!!).
I repeat - this is a complete farce. It is a complete disaster.
It is unacceptable.
It is Shashank Shekhar who should be given credit. If it was Wasim Khan, situation wouldn't have reached at this stage.
Brilliantly played Mani and Wasim!
And of course thanks to Bangladesh as well.
What made the BCB and the government agree overnight? Clearly not sentimental words or did the PCB just throw a pile of $ under the table
Apologies for interrupting all the bhangra, fireworks and cartwheels, but I am not sure why people are congratulating PCB.
The scheduling is a complete farce. They are going to play two tests over 3 months which is ridiculous.
The April leg of the so-called tour is pointless.
It appears that they are going to “test” the security situation in the first Test in February and then make PCB sweat again over whether they will come back for the April Test or not.
It is a complete joke. PCB have been humiliated with this insulting arrangement.
BCB wanted to achieve what they wanted, i.e. to make PCB beg. As far as Mani and Wasim are concerned, well if you beg long and hard enough you will end up with a bone to chew on.
If they think they deserve pats on the back for agreeing to this joke of a schedule, they thought wrong.
The fact that people are jumping in glee also sums it up. We have become so desperate that we will allow others to spit in our face as long as we get to host matches.
I feel embarrassed today.
I just can't wait to see the battle on the field. It is going to be an awesome contest
Shashank manohar doesn’t work for BCCI. Just because he’s Indian doesn’t mean he doesn’t or can’t represent ICC.A very welcome response by Bangladesh Cricket in the end , thank you very much. Ehsan Mani thanked shashan Manohar as well so all theories of BCCI influencing BCB to not your Pakistan should be debunked as well.
Looking forward to a highly competitive tourD).
They played great cricket and won. Credit to them.
Our people bash Pakistani team more than any other. This is how it is.
Next time we are 21/3 after 11 overs; see PP's true feelings for Pakistani team![]()
The battle of the minnows!![]()
You are welcome.Thank you to Bangladesh for not going back in-between the T20 series. I am sure PCB would have agreed to that as well.
Commonsense prevailed.
Also I believe, BCB wanted to make a point and they made it - everyone happy now.
BCB boss refutes criticism over Pakistan tour
Many are of the opinion that BCB gave in to cricket diplomacy, rather than prioritizing its own interests, but BCB president Nazmul Hasan said he is finding it difficult as to why they are in the line of fire
Bangladesh Cricket Board has come under severe criticism after confirming the Tigers’ tour of Pakistan Tuesday.
Till Sunday, the BCB had reservations over touring Pakistan for a full bilateral series as per advice from the government, and was stubborn on its decision to travel for a short tour.
However, cricket’s governing body in the country has now decided to send the team for a full tour over three separate dates spanning over a duration of two and a half months.
To add to that, ever since the saga started with regards to Bangladesh touring Pakistan, the BCB was adamant to play the three-match T20I series first, and then the two-game Test series, provided they were happy with the security situation.
The BCB though had a 360 degree shift in decision following a meeting with Pakistan Cricket Board in the sidelines of the International Cricket Council governance meeting in Dubai, leaving the majority of the Bangladesh cricket fraternity bamboozled.
Many are of the opinion that BCB gave in to cricket diplomacy, rather than prioritizing its own interests, but BCB president Nazmul Hasan said he is finding it difficult as to why they are in the line of fire.
Upon his arrival from Dubai Wednesday morning, BCB boss Nazmul said, “I do not know why they are criticizing, and I am finding it strange because we always said we will play the T20Is first, and it remained the same.”
“They (PCB) first wanted us to play full series and then told us to play Test series first. Now why they are saying this [criticizing], I do not understand that. I am surprised. I think the series is happening the way we always wanted. The first time I faced the media regarding this issue, I said we want to play T20I series first and then the Test series,” BCB chief Nazmul explained.
The Tigers will now play two Tests, three T20Is and a solitary ODI in the series that will begin later this month and last till April.
Split into three parts, the Tigers will first play three T20Is between January 24-27 in Lahore before traveling back home.
Bangladesh will return to Pakistan to play the first Test in Rawalpindi, starting on February 7, before the Pakistan players take part in the Pakistan Super League Twenty20.
After coming back home for a second time, the Tigers will then return to Pakistan to play the lone ODI on April 3 and the second and final Test in Karachi, beginning on April 5.
BCB supremo Nazmul informed that the one-off ODI was added to the roster to help the home board cover the expenses of the tour that will feature three visits from the touring side.
“Pakistan is facing huge [financial] loss. We [Bangladesh team] need one practice match. They had proposed of playing a T20I, that way they get to earn better. Their cost has increased a lot given that we will be travelling three times now. We thought of playing an ODI as it will help the cricketers prepare better,” Nazmul explained.
https://www.dhakatribune.com/sport/2020/01/15/bcb-boss-refutes-criticism-over-pakistan-tour