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PCB needs to take a stand and forfeit the India-Pakistan World Cup group stage game

Should the PCB forfeit the World Cup group game against India?

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It might sound ridiculous and even just a few months back - I was among the few who advocated for renewing cricketing ties with India (mainly for monetary gain) but honestly the situation is beyond hopeless now and only seems to get worse with each passing event. I think we need to realize that cricketing ties with India are is not possible for the next decade or so.

Given the political climate - PCB needs to act now and immediately inform the ICC, BCCi and the Indian Govt that it is forfeiting the India-Pak WC Group stage game. If PCB doesn't do it - I am pretty sure BCCI will do it anyway but if we act first it will be a major statement that we can also implement the necessary boycotts, restrictions, bans etc. given the current political climate. A show of strength if drastically needed!

If ICC fines us - so be it. We have always gotten the short end of the stick with the ICC every time and this time - it will be no different. Losing those 3 points doesn't bother me much either since we have a low change of winning the WC anyway. If we meet India in the WC SF or Final - the course of action can be decided then but I think an appropriate and measured response is to forfeit the group stage game. With a few months advance notice - hopefully the organization and logistics will not be impacted as much.

Now to be clear - I have the utmost respect for the Indian cricket team and admire some of their players as legends and global icons but the current situation is not conducive to cricketing ties. Once the situation hopefully normalizes - we can hold discussions with the BCCI on the next steps.

The PCB needs to act NOW and take a stand. We all need to be united as fans, players, media etc. and give our full support!

Thoughts?

Maybe a poll will be a good idea.
 
Bcci should widthdraw from ICC instead of paying fine and all. Enough is enough now.
 
From a business standpoint, doesn't make sense as Pakistan makes money from this. A lot.

And from a fan's standpoint, I want Pakistan to humiliate India once again.
 
The more the Pakistani players get exposure to high pressure Indo Pak games the better it will be for them especially when the relationship between the two countries is super tense
 
Rayyman said:
From a business standpoint, doesn't make sense as Pakistan makes money from this. A lot.

And from a fan's standpoint, I want Pakistan to humiliate India once again.
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Rofl Pakistan is like a prop in the circus. Indian broadcasters and brands make more money.

What Pakistan has been or is facing business and other secondary issues go out the window.

Pakistan needs to take a stand and just forfeit the match.

We don't have any ties anyways.

The more far away we are from India better for us.
 
Rayyman said:
From a business standpoint, doesn't make sense as Pakistan makes money from this. A lot.

And from a fan's standpoint, I want Pakistan to humiliate India once again.
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Had business sense and calmer heads prevailed - we would have been playing bilaterals every year and would never need to have this conversation.
 
Savak said:
The more the Pakistani players get exposure to high pressure Indo Pak games the better it will be for them especially when the relationship between the two countries is super tense
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Unfortunately - player development is pretty low on our priorities right now :)
 
Very premature, we had a literal full pronged border escalation and standoff and a resumption of tours within a couple of years with a military dictator and a BJP leader at the helm, will hold out on comments of cricket being unsustainable for a decade etc
 
HuzaifaE said:
Very premature, we had a literal full pronged border escalation and standoff and a resumption of tours within a couple of years with a military dictator and a BJP leader at the helm, will hold out on comments of cricket being unsustainable for a decade etc
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The standoff in 2001 was never this close to a WC tournament.

The public sentiment and mood is not conducive for cricketing ties right now and hence IMO cricket needs a break for the time being.
 
Best reply would be to meet them and beat them twice convincingly...

Let the former cricketers bash India as they are afraid of playing against pak that is why they stay at no.1 in all formats without playing against pak.
 
ask_analyse_act said:
Best reply would be to meet them and beat them twice convincingly...

Let the former cricketers bash India as they are afraid of playing against pak that is why they stay at no.1 in all formats without playing against pak.
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If we don't boycott now - it will make us look weak and ineffective. Playing and winning won't matter if the Indian sentiment remains sour towards Pakistan. Hence a simple but measured retaliatory response is needed.

Put the boycott in place until this political situation improves.
 
Absolutely not. We don't cut off our noses to spite our face. Pakistan is supposed to be better than that.
 
Let sport be sport - what will be the difference between us and them if we do the same?
 
hitthestump said:
Absolutely not. We don't cut off our noses to spite our face. Pakistan is supposed to be better than that.
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MenInG said:
Let sport be sport - what will be the difference between us and them if we do the same?
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The Afghan Cricket Board and the BCCI have on numerous times taken a political stance so why should not the PCB as well?

It is the BCCI who had started the restraint of bilateral cricketing ties so I see nothing wrong if we choose to extend that to the ICC tournaments.

As of right now - the Indian govt has taken various decisions to politically and economically harm Pakistan so a simple but measured retaliatory response with regards to cricket by us is fair game in my opinion.

To put is simply - it sends the message that we value our political stance more than the 3 mere WC points we may or may not earn by playing that fixture.
 
What an absurd thread.

Let sport be sport. Politicians come and go, tensions come and go, hate comes and goes. Love endures.

No one ever put a statue up for a critic.
 
msb314 said:
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What's next? Petitioning UN to take our country elsewhere as we don't generally get along with our neighbors well, apart from Arabian Sea and China?

We shouldn't mix politics with cricket. If their response is unwarranted and stupid, why do we have to be like them?
 
xricket said:
What's next? Petitioning UN to take our country elsewhere as we don't generally get along with our neighbors well, apart from Arabian Sea and China?

We shouldn't mix politics with cricket. If their response is unwarranted and stupid, why do we have to be like them?
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Whether you like it or not - we have come too far for politics to be NOT mixed with cricket.

India has consistently refused bilateral series with Pakistan due to the political climate whilst Afghanistan has cut cricketing ties with us on the basis of geopolitics.

I see nothing wrong with us taking a stance in the current political climate until relationships hopefully began to thaw.
 
Corridor of Uncertainty said:
What an absurd thread.

Let sport be sport. Politicians come and go, tensions come and go, hate comes and goes. Love endures.

No one ever put a statue up for a critic.
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If that was the case - we would not be having this conversation today.

I can guarantee that whoever succeeds Modi or IK - our cricketing ties will not resume anytime soon.
 
We played a World Cup game in England right after Kargil - why shouldn't this sequel 20 years on go ahead? #Mauka
 
So Cricbuzz just removed all PSL related news and scorecards yet some posters are questioning my recommendation of forfeiting this WC fixture :13:

The fact remains that politics and cricket is deeply entangled with each other in this day and age and PCB must also get involved in politics like our neighbours have done.
 
Varun said:
We played a World Cup game in England right after Kargil - why shouldn't this sequel 20 years on go ahead? #Mauka
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Yes but Pakistan toured India and played a bilateral series with them just a few months before Kargil - clearly that is not the case right now...
 
msb314 said:
If we don't boycott now - it will make us look weak and ineffective. Playing and winning won't matter if the Indian sentiment remains sour towards Pakistan. Hence a simple but measured retaliatory response is needed.

Put the boycott in place until this political situation improves.
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boycotting is not the solution... Let BCCI boycott the match or if played Pak render them a heavy defeat twice win the WC and troll them for losing... Give the mauka mauka back... without defeating them in the WC and boycotting now will let them make more funny mauka mauka ads
 
ask_analyse_act said:
boycotting is not the solution... Let BCCI boycott the match or if played Pak render them a heavy defeat twice win the WC and troll them for losing... Give the mauka mauka back... without defeating them in the WC and boycotting now will let them make more funny mauka mauka ads
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That is exactly my worry - BCCI may make a political statement to appease their fans and the public and the political pressure on Pakistan will continue to grow.

It is the PCB who needs to make a call on this first. Let the world know that our political stance is more valued than the WC points..
 
msb314 said:
So Cricbuzz just removed all PSL related news and scorecards yet some posters are questioning my recommendation of forfeiting this WC fixture :13:

The fact remains that politics and cricket is deeply entangled with each other in this day and age and PCB must also get involved in politics like our neighbours have done.
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really?Voww that's incredible. PTA should ban Cricbuzz. Can someone please email PTA to ban this site?
 
Worst idea of all time. No need to set a precedent and be the 'trouble maker'. Let indians be the problem child of world cricket.
 
PCB should absolutely forfeit this match. A third 8/9 wicket thrashing might be too much for Pakistan to take after what happened in the Asia Cup. Just give us the points and save yourselves the misery :D
 
Nikhil_cric said:
PCB should absolutely forfeit this match. A third 8/9 wicket thrashing might be too much for Pakistan to take after what happened in the Asia Cup. Just give us the points and save yourselves the misery :D
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Or it could very well be another world record making defeat for you. You might want to save yourself the embarrasment.
 
Agreed. As much as I like Pakistan vs India matches, this is absolutely necessary. Would be a brilliant move by PCB
 
No way. Why gift India 3 points? And you would look silly if you choose to play India in the SF or Final but refused it in the Group Stages.
 
Both should forfeit the game and declare it a draw.
 
Sport should be sport like a poster said and remember like Afridi said we have bigger hearts ;) we always want to play them and we want better relations with them hopefully things can get better in. The future
 
[MENTION=9]Saj[/MENTION] has given a suggestion which is worthy of being followed. But I highy doubt it will be done. It will be BCCI that will come forward and inform ICC that they dont want to play Pak in WC. PCB as usual will be either reactive or be happy that they got 3 points.

"Cricket shouldn't be mixed with politics." This sentence seems more of an abuse now. Get this in your heads now who recite it every now and then. Its not the politics rather its the mood of a nation, the sentiments, emotions, feelings of the people, the situation of a country at a particular time through which it is going, that decides it. Its simply idiotic to blame politicians for everything as they are soft targets.
 
Jingaaru said:
[MENTION=9]Saj[/MENTION] has given a suggestion which is worthy of being followed. But I highy doubt it will be done. It will be BCCI that will come forward and inform ICC that they dont want to play Pak in WC. PCB as usual will be either reactive or be happy that they got 3 points.

"Cricket shouldn't be mixed with politics." This sentence seems more of an abuse now. Get this in your heads now who recite it every now and then. Its not the politics rather its the mood of a nation, the sentiments, emotions, feelings of the people, the situation of a country at a particular time through which it is going, that decides it. Its simply idiotic to blame politicians for everything as they are soft targets.
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Then boycott all sports.
 
If the BCCI, Indian Media or GOI want to act like kids and forfeit the match - they can go ahead and do so.

I see absolutely nothing to gain for Pakistan by forfeiting the match.

I agree that trying to pursue the resumption of bilateral cricketing ties between Pakistan and India isn't something that the PCB should be actively looking to do right now. However, there's no point shooting ourselves in the foot over this immature and childish saga of grown men throwing their toys out the pram.
 
Just let Modi win the election and everything will be normal by June. Just like always.

It's a pity that our Indian brothers gets fooled every other 4 years.

India will play Pak for sure.
 
Who are you kidding?
People will forget all this by June anyways. Especially, if Modi conducts another "fake" surgical strike.
 
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Absurd proposition

If we were among the favourites to win the WC and they were minnows then it's another story - hence why in 2003 WC England and NZ could afford to boycott the Zimbabwe and Kenya games respectively during the group stages.
 
Why would we? Let them do it or As always keep Sports away from Politics I bet IndiaVPak match would be so much fun:virat
 
Don't understand what political statement OP is talking about. Forfeiting the game has no up-side, in fact it'll just anger the Pakistani public and lower morale.

Let India forfeit, Pakistani's don't forfeit anything, we fight till the end
 
Slim said:
Worst idea of all time. No need to set a precedent and be the 'trouble maker'. Let indians be the problem child of world cricket.
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We are not the “trouble makers” in any shape or form - we are merely retaliating in the form of a sports boycott.
 
I hope so. We can't play against them when it beefits them and their broadcasters make money and not when our board stands to make it by hosting them.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
PCB should absolutely forfeit this match. A third 8/9 wicket thrashing might be too much for Pakistan to take after what happened in the Asia Cup. Just give us the points and save yourselves the misery :D
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You can take the points but this will be the final nail in the coffin (at least for the foreseeable future) for the India vs Pak cash cow
 
shariqnoor said:
No way. Why gift India 3 points? And you would look silly if you choose to play India in the SF or Final but refused it in the Group Stages.
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If we meet in the SF or Final - a decision can be made them but I’m pretty sure neither country would want to boycott then after being so close to WC glory.

In the group stages - both countries can still circumvent each other in order to reach the top 4 - esp since neither are minnows.
 
Saj said:
Both should forfeit the game and declare it a draw.
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That is only applicable if both countries are willing to discuss and come to terms with each other for such a decision - but that is definitely not the case here.
 
nextover666666 said:
Sport should be sport like a poster said and remember like Afridi said we have bigger hearts ;) we always want to play them and we want better relations with them hopefully things can get better in. The future
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It’s nice to have your head in the clouds but when one party is clearly unwilling to engage in talks even for cricketing ties - then it will remain just pipe dream.
 
Jingaaru said:
[MENTION=9]Saj[/MENTION] has given a suggestion which is worthy of being followed. But I highy doubt it will be done. It will be BCCI that will come forward and inform ICC that they dont want to play Pak in WC. PCB as usual will be either reactive or be happy that they got 3 points.

"Cricket shouldn't be mixed with politics." This sentence seems more of an abuse now. Get this in your heads now who recite it every now and then. Its not the politics rather its the mood of a nation, the sentiments, emotions, feelings of the people, the situation of a country at a particular time through which it is going, that decides it. Its simply idiotic to blame politicians for everything as they are soft targets.
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Then why does the “mood of a nation” and “emotions” not apply for the BCCI when it came to ICC tournaments? Surely national interests are more important than “gifting 3 points”?

I am proposing the PCB closes this chapter and suspend ALL cricketing ties for the foreseeable future.
 
TalhaSyed said:
If the BCCI, Indian Media or GOI want to act like kids and forfeit the match - they can go ahead and do so.

I see absolutely nothing to gain for Pakistan by forfeiting the match.

I agree that trying to pursue the resumption of bilateral cricketing ties between Pakistan and India isn't something that the PCB should be actively looking to do right now. However, there's no point shooting ourselves in the foot over this immature and childish saga of grown men throwing their toys out the pram.
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It is not “shooting ourselves in the foot” when the other party refuses to engage with you whatsoever. Diplomacy, courtesies, sporting ties etc. are only meaningful when there is even a slender chance that both parties will come to the table and agree upon a solution - but that is clearly not the case here and there is no way forward for the next several years IMO.

The biggest gain would be to shoe our public and the world that our values and political stance remains more important than cricket.
 
Hasan123 said:
We won't be playing India for a while. So there is nothing to forfeit .
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I would like the PCB to beat the BCCI to the punch and forfeit before they do - it will be a major political statement from us if they do.
 
why should pakistan forfeit?

let them forfeit, we're not going to be as petty as them.

plus 2 extra points will definitely help us go through to the knockouts
 
Lol so if India and Pakistan meet in the WC final. Will they boycott that as well?
 
Prince of Pakistan said:
Just let Modi win the election and everything will be normal by June. Just like always.

It's a pity that our Indian brothers gets fooled every other 4 years.

India will play Pak for sure.
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a_tahir said:
Who are you kidding?
People will forget all this by June anyways. Especially, if Modi conducts another "fake" surgical strike.
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That is nice in theory but we will be going through the same rinse and repeat cycle the next time there is a diplomatic incident. The BCCI clearly has no intention to resume bilateral ties so I reckon we would go the whole 9 yards and suspend ALL cricketing ties.
 
I’d rather India boycott Pakistan because then they can’t be called
Hypocrites which they currently are considering they like boycotting Pakistan in every other way.

Don’t give them any leverage. Call on them to be consistent with their policy.
 
Prince of Pakistan said:
Just let Modi win the election and everything will be normal by June. Just like always.

It's a pity that our Indian brothers gets fooled every other 4 years.

India will play Pak for sure.
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Flat_Track_Bully said:
Pakistan should cancel on the match at the last minute.
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If we cancel at the last minute - not only will there be more repercussions but it will make a us look foolish and indecisive for acting when the situation has calmed down in the middle of a WC.

Due to the heat of the political situation - the time to act is now!
 
Nikhil_cric said:
PCB should absolutely forfeit this match. A third 8/9 wicket thrashing might be too much for Pakistan to take after what happened in the Asia Cup. Just give us the points and save yourselves the misery :D
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CT or Asia cup? Which mattered more? Yes you know it!
 
topspin said:
Absurd proposition

If we were among the favourites to win the WC and they were minnows then it's another story - hence why in 2003 WC England and NZ could afford to boycott the Zimbabwe and Kenya games respectively during the group stages.
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Malik786 said:
Stupid thread.

Why should Pakistan cancel this match? They have done nothing wrong.
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Whilst it might seem “absurd” and “stupid” to you. But our political stance needs to be far more important than cricket right now.

That’s correct - We have done nothing wrong but since the BCCI has no interest in remedying cricketing ties with us and are putting us under international pressure - I see no reason why we should not end ALL cricketing ties with them.
 
coy0607 said:
Don't understand what political statement OP is talking about. Forfeiting the game has no up-side, in fact it'll just anger the Pakistani public and lower morale.

Let India forfeit, Pakistani's don't forfeit anything, we fight till the end
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I for one would definitely not be angered. We are being accused and Indianis leaving no stone unturned to sever relations with us so I see no reason for us to cut ALL cricketing ties with India for the time being.

It should in fact unite the public and the media in our stance against them.
 
Both countries people are emotional and are far from realities
That is why Modi’s nawazs zardaris looted you guys used people sentiments for their benefits
India is in mess itself so is pakistan and people make it worse with their hatred
Let cricket be cricket .
Modi playing perfect eye wash games right now to gain public support
But did one address the root cause of all this ?
 
Savak said:
Lol so if India and Pakistan meet in the WC final. Will they boycott that as well?
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That would be the ultimate move and the final nail in the coffin regarding sporting ties between the two countries - however realistically that will not happen.

However - forfeiting the group stage game where there is less at stake is fair game IMO.
 
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