PCB responds to BCCI/ACC's Jay Shah's remarks on a neutral venue for the Asia Cup in 2023

[cricketjoshila]

I wonder where the tongues and all that bravado was before the 2010s. Where we fought three wars, i did not see those statements then. Its all a matter of newly acquired clout otherwise we know how much confidence and courage the lot that you idealise has!

And im not name calling, i am just calling it how it is. Indian government and its lackeys have always exhibited the behavior of a dehati aurat.

India didn't tour pakistan for years in 90s. Indian cricket only grew richer and better.

What happened in those wars? I remember that a new country was created and some 90k surrendered somewhere.

We can see who is cursing out of sheer frustration because thats all they can do.

 

[Slim]

There are always pakistanis on PP who have indian friends who think like pakistanis want them to and pakistanis always find Indians who want nothing to do with India.

Good.

Just so you know, i have not found a single person who thinks otherwise. Its not like i was trying to find them with a lamp in my hand. Theres so many of you, hell, i bet i can find one at the corner of my street.

 

[Mamoon]

Dont confuse player rankings with national rankings by ICC. It may give you sleepless nights if India is below Pak but most arent worried.

You do realise when India plays Pak in ICC events or Asia cup, PCB make a lot of money? Why no boycott those events?

Boards make little money from tournaments unless they have hosting rights. This is why India will not have bilateral cricket with Pakistan or play in a tournament hosted in Pakistan.

Furthermore, skipping matches against Pakistan in tournaments doesn’t serve India’s interests either because it impacts their progression and success in the tournament.

If India forfeits the match it will be conceding the points to Pakistan and 99% of the time, these are easy points for India. So forfeiting matches against Pakistan in tournaments directly hurts India.

Now you can say that this means India will come to Pakistan in 2025 for the CT. Well they won’t if the political situation remains the same, because skipping one CT is better than helping Pakistan making millions from having India play in Pakistan, and plus if India refuses to tour it would definitely diminish the possibility of Pakistan hosting that tournament in Pakistan.

 

[cricketjoshila]

What an utterly ridiculous post. Is ICC supposed to govern international cricket or babysit BCCI? Why should Pakistan not get ICC tournies because of BCCI’s pettiness?

Pakistan should host ICC tournaments and India should be free to decide whether it participates in it or not. ICC should reduce some money from india's share for non participation.

 

[Mamoon]

What an utterly ridiculous post. Is ICC supposed to govern international cricket or babysit BCCI? Why should Pakistan not get ICC tournies because of BCCI’s pettiness?

Please be practical. ICC is surviving because of Indian cricket. They bring more revenue than all other cricket nations put together.

There is no way ICC can afford to have a tournament without India or to rub BCCI the wrong way.

BCCI can kill ICC if it comes to that. They can “buy” the loyalties of all other cricket boards and create a different cricket body and ICC will be sitting alone with PCB.

Pakistanis who blame ICC for bending backwards to accommodate BCCI need to think rationally and practically. ICC does not have a choice.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Not everything that a country does has to be spelled out. It is implied and understood when you look at the actions and behavior patterns.

As I said, you are free to think otherwise. My aim is not to convince you to agree with me but to help you and other confused and disappointed Pakistani fans who will keep moaning without trying to understand the motive.

So this is just your theory? No different to your theory Indians should bomb Pakistani schoolchildren so they dont grow up to be terrorists. Your theories are very pro-Indian, infact more than any RSS fanatic, which is concerning.

 

[Slim]

Pakistan should host ICC tournaments and India should be free to decide whether it participates in it or not. ICC should reduce some money from india's share for non participation.

Fair enough! I am okay with this. India shouldn't get any share though, they are not participating. However, whatever ICC does with India is their prerogative and in return Pakistan should be allowed to do the same for any ICC tournament happening in India.

 

[Slim]

Please be practical. ICC is surviving because of Indian cricket. They bring more revenue than all other cricket nations put together.

There is no way ICC can afford to have a tournament without India or to rub BCCI the wrong way.

BCCI can kill ICC if it comes to that. They can “buy” the loyalties of all other cricket boards and create a different cricket body and ICC will be sitting alone with PCB.

Pakistanis who blame ICC for bending backwards to accommodate BCCI need to think rationally and practically. ICC does not have a choice.

You over-rate the reach of Indian cricket way too much! Theres a limit and even BCCI knows that. Do you really think if they could do that, they wouldnt have done that already?

 

[KingKhanWC]

Boards make little money from tournaments unless they have hosting rights. This is why India will not have bilateral cricket with Pakistan or play in a tournament hosted in Pakistan.

Furthermore, skipping matches against Pakistan in tournaments doesn’t serve India’s interests either because it impacts their progression and success in the tournament.

If India forfeits the match it will be conceding the points to Pakistan and 99% of the time, these are easy points for India. So forfeiting matches against Pakistan in tournaments directly hurts India.

Now you can say that this means India will come to Pakistan in 2025 for the CT. Well they won’t if the political situation remains the same, because skipping one CT is better than helping Pakistan making millions from having India play in Pakistan, and plus if India refuses to tour it would definitely diminish the possibility of Pakistan hosting that tournament in Pakistan.

An India-Pakistan match in the ICC world cup match generates a lot of money in Pakistan because everyone watches it.

If you follow a principle you should follow it all the time. Playing Asia cup, hugging each other only embarrasses India. On one hand they call Pakistan an enemy, on the other their most famous opener is hugging and signing cap of Pak captain.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Fair enough! I am okay with this. India shouldn't get any share though, they are not participating. However, whatever ICC does with India is their prerogative and in return Pakistan should be allowed to do the same for any ICC tournament happening in India.

There are 8 tournaments in the next ICC FTP. India will not be participating in one CT, and proportionate money should be deducted from India's share. But that proportion should be based on the revenue earned from that tournament.

Similarly Pakistan may skip 3 tournaments and same scheme should be applied on them.

 

[Mamoon]

You over-rate the reach of Indian cricket way too much! Theres a limit and even BCCI knows that. Do you really think if they could do that, they wouldnt have done that already?

They have no reason to do that because ICC understands the clout BCCI has and the influence it can exert.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Pakistan should host ICC tournaments and India should be free to decide whether it participates in it or not. ICC should reduce some money from india's share for non participation.

Sure, lets do a Bollywood dance in a Saffron Sari but...

Answer the question of the thread.

Why aren't Indian government not willing to send the team to Pakistan?

 

[Slim]

There are 8 tournaments in the next ICC FTP. India will not be participating in one CT, and proportionate money should be deducted from India's share. But that proportion should be based on the revenue earned from that tournament.

Similarly Pakistan may skip 3 tournaments and same scheme should be applied on them.

On the same page as you on this!

 

[cricketjoshila]

You over-rate the reach of Indian cricket way too much! Theres a limit and even BCCI knows that. Do you really think if they could do that, they wouldnt have done that already?

Actually as pre Rameez Raza, 90 per cent of the ICC revenues come from India, so actually they do have a lot of leverage.

 

[Slim]

They have no reason to do that because ICC understands the clout BCCI has and the influence it can exert.

Reality is they can’t. The more you fragment cricket, the quicker it will die. Its already not a well known sport.

 

[Slim]

Actually as pre Rameez Raza, 90 per cent of the ICC revenues come from India, so actually they do have a lot of leverage.

Why doesnt BCCI ban Pakistan from playing international cricket then. Whats stopping ya?

 

[Mamoon]

An India-Pakistan match in the ICC world cup match generates a lot of money in Pakistan because everyone watches it.

If you follow a principle you should follow it all the time. Playing Asia cup, hugging each other only embarrasses India. On one hand they call Pakistan an enemy, on the other their most famous opener is hugging and signing cap of Pak captain.

The government of India does not regulate how the Indian players behave and act with Pakistani players in their personal capacity. You are confusing India with your beloved China where the citizens can’t drink a glass of water without the government’s permission.

But they have the authority to dictate where and when the Indian team can play because BCCI has to obey the government like any other cricket board.

India is following a principal, i.e. contribute no money to Pakistan and preserve self-interest as much as you can. If Pakistan has a problem with this then they should think of doing something practical instead of complain and hope things will change.

 

[Mamoon]

Reality is they can’t. The more you fragment cricket, the quicker it will die. Its already not a well known sport.

India is self-sufficient. IPL is more successful than international cricket.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Why doesnt BCCI ban Pakistan from playing international cricket then. Whats stopping ya?

Why lose all the fun?

 

[KingKhanWC]

The government of India does not regulate how the Indian players behave and act with Pakistani players in their personal capacity. You are confusing India with your beloved China where the citizens can’t drink a glass of water without the government’s permission.

But they have the authority to dictate where and when the Indian team can play because BCCI has to obey the government like any other cricket board.

India is following a principal, i.e. contribute no money to Pakistan and preserve self-interest as much as you can. If Pakistan has a problem with this then they should think of doing something practical instead of complain and hope things will change.

You need to keep up with RSS news. Many Indian cricketers have been criticised for their warm links to Pakistanis. Email them to find out why.

They are confused then as ICC matches between the two generate a lot of money for PCB. Email them again.

 

[Slim]

India is self-sufficient. IPL is more successful than international cricket.

IPL without international players is Mushtaq Ali whatever the tournament name. Without international cricket, there are no international players.

Also, without international cricket, where would the indian fans get the white validation they crave in cricket by trying to win in Australia or satisfy their jingo cravings after beating Pakistan.

Without international cricket, BCCI is dead in water. This topic has been discussed earlier too and i would recommend you to stop going polar opposite for the sake it.

 

[Slim]

Why lose all the fun?

Whats the fun in letting Pakistanis earn money? Isnt money what you folk all care about eh?

 

[Mamoon]

You need to keep up with RSS news. Many Indian cricketers have been criticised for their warm links to Pakistanis. Email them to find out why.

They are confused then as ICC matches between the two generate a lot of money for PCB. Email them again.

The critics have criticized in their personal capacity. It is their opinion. No Indian cricketer has lost contracts and sponsorship for being friendly with Pakistani players and no Indian players are on death row.

 

[KingKhanWC]

The critics have criticized in their personal capacity. It is their opinion. No Indian cricketer has lost contracts and sponsorship for being friendly with Pakistani players and no Indian players are on death row.

I never mentioned contracts.

Even a Sikh was attacked for dropping a catch against Pakistan, called a Khalistani terrorist by your brethren.

Yet a lot of respect to the likes of Kohli , Gavasker and others for understanding their nation is run by extremist Hindus so they ingore and continue their warmth towards Pak cricketers. In fact MORE Indian cricketers care for Pakistan THAN YOU DO.

 

[Mamoon]

IPL without international players is Mushtaq Ali whatever the tournament name. Without international cricket, there are no international players.

Also, without international cricket, where would the indian fans get the white validation they crave in cricket by trying to win in Australia or satisfy their jingo cravings after beating Pakistan.

Without international cricket, BCCI is dead in water. This topic has been discussed earlier too and i would recommend you to stop going polar opposite for the sake it.

IPL and even PSL does not need big international stars anymore because they are established now with proper fan following.

Few years back someone might have supported LQ because de Villiers played for them but today LQ has a proper fan base who will support the team no matter who plays.

You need foreign players to set up a league to attract initial eyeballs and create buzz, but long-term survival and growth depends on building a fan base.

Even if international cricket dies, IPL will continue to thrive and they can simply scout the best local talents in Australia, England, New Zealand, South Africa etc.

 

[Mamoon]

I never mentioned contracts.

Even a Sikh was attacked for dropping a catch against Pakistan, called a Khalistani terrorist by your brethren.

Yet a lot of respect to the likes of Kohli , Gavasker and others for understanding their nation is run by extremist Hindus so they ingore and continue their warmth towards Pak cricketers. In fact MORE Indian cricketers care for Pakistan THAN YOU DO.

No one cares. Kohli is a PR genius, he knows he is loved in Pakistan and is keeping up an image. If Kohli and Gavaskar think like that they can stop making money in India and move abroad.

How many minority players are playing for India today and how many are playing for Pakistan? Pakistan should first select a Hindu or a Christian player and then worry about him getting attacked.

India is not perfect when it comes to treatment of minorities but it is still miles better than Pakistan.

 

[KingKhanWC]

No one cares. Kohli is a PR genius, he knows he is loved in Pakistan and is keeping up an image. If Kohli and Gavaskar think like that they can stop making money in India and move abroad.

How many minority players are playing for India today and how many are playing for Pakistan? Pakistan should first select a Hindu or a Christian player and then worry about him getting attacked.

India is not perfect when it comes to treatment of minorities but it is still miles better than Pakistan.

No Indian will encourage Pakistan to bomb its children either, forget minorities.

If you want to stay deluded, as you have no credibility as a poster, go for it. India doesn't play in Pak for because of money is hilarious when the Indian government has officially stated its due to Pak proxy attacks on their lentil eating occupiers in Kashmir.

 

[Kriketer]

India is self-sufficient. IPL is more successful than international cricket.

More successful than international cricket? Yet it requires international players to be successful. This is where the whole joke lies, no matter how much you and your beloved countrymen pretend but IPL cannot survive without international players. It is nothing without international players.

 

[Hitman]

Why doesnt BCCI ban Pakistan from playing international cricket then. Whats stopping ya?

No cricket board can ban another nation from playing cricket.

 

[Hitman]

No cricket board can ban another nation from playing cricket.

And no sane fan with a proper working brain would want a Test playing nation with rich cricketing history to be banned from playing international cricket. The game is still suffering from the decline of the mighty West Indies of the past.

 

[Kriketer]

Please be practical. ICC is surviving because of Indian cricket. They bring more revenue than all other cricket nations put together.

There is no way ICC can afford to have a tournament without India or to rub BCCI the wrong way.

BCCI can kill ICC if it comes to that. They can “buy” the loyalties of all other cricket boards and create a different cricket body and ICC will be sitting alone with PCB.

Pakistanis who blame ICC for bending backwards to accommodate BCCI need to think rationally and practically. ICC does not have a choice.

They got the money so you just bend over backwards for them to listen and follow them? Waah are we talking about international sports here or a dictatorship? You whine a lot about dictatorship in Pakistan and yet you seem so thrilled to support this setup of dictatorship? Bending over backward for your beloved sanghis has become your hobby but don't expect Pakistan to do the same.

Pakistan is one of the top cricketing nations and despite all the efforts from your beloved nation, it is still thriving and producing world class players. A nation of trundlers is what you call a champion team, who consistently choke in international tournaments. Once your beloved nation will dominate cricket for a decade like Australia or West Indies, then you can go ahead and make such laughable claims, until then get used to their chokes in international tournaments and their 130 kph national treasures of speedsters after speedsters.

As for the topic, BCCI makes money only due to international teams and international players, so they have to follow guidelines. Not sure how many times people have to repeat that here for numbnuts to understand. It's not other country's fault that India got 1/6th of the world cramped in their country as followers so obviously money ll be there. They can't cherry pick what they will and won't play, that's dictatorship and regardless how much money they have one with bare minimum shame will call it ridiculous. In sporting terms India is just another cricketing nation, nothing more, and cricket at the end of the day is a sport.

 

[Wasim Ghulam]

Yes he said that because he wanted to bring attention to the fact that how important it is to build self sufficient cricket economy, not to concede BCCI hegemony over pcb.. but do you know that PSL is projected to bring lot of revenue for pcb , and even if icc share were to be taken away .. pcb can survive now.. so this argument that BCCI runs world cricket will not stand for very long.

 

[sweep_shot]

If you aint winning any icc trophies for next ten years then many teams wont even be motivated enough to visit and play in pakistan.

If pakistan wins t20 world cup
They win asia cup next year then odi world cup and also icc test championship, i can rest assure you
Indian team itself will play you.

Because you need to beat the best to be best.

India also haven't won an ICC trophy in 9 years. But, teams still visit India.

 

[Wasim Ghulam]

Everyone cares about rankings. If reflects quality and consistency. This is why Pakistani fans celebrate Babar and Rizwan’s rankings in T20Is and celebrated when Misbah’s Pakistan became the number one ranked Test side in 2016 for 3 seconds.

If you think Pakistan is a better team than India right now it is your delusion and a laughable one. You can also think that Pakistan has dominating India in every war and is a country of angels that has never wronged anyone. There is no limit to fantasies and delusional thinking.

Once again, this is not about India’s money. That is not even the point. The point is that India does not want Pakistan making money directly from India’s actions. It is very simple.

This is why they will not resume bilateral ties with Pakistan or play in Pakistan.

Im just trying to understand your logic.. help me here.. it becomes little hard.. you say BCCI and Indian government does nt want Pakistan and pcb to make money or get benefit from cricket in any form be it hosting a tournament, playing a bilateral... and at same time you believe 90% of icc revenue comes from Indian Market.. still Pakistan gets a hefty share from that just being full time member of icc. So Pakistan is still making money from Indian pockets.. what purpose its serving Indian board or government by refusing to tour then? You have to admit that its bigotry and hypocrisy of highest level.. if BcCI has such absolute power over ICC that it can kill ICC why dnt BCCI force ICC to drop the model of revenue sharing and ask them to distribute as per contribution of each market? Your logic is self defeating here.. Pakistan is still pocketing Indian Generated ( supposedly) money from icc revenue sharing model.
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[Vikram1989]

Bro, 95 percent of the center revenue pool from psl goes to the franchises.This year each franchise earned 38 crores in pak rupees.its the highest profit till now.i don't think pcb can sustain alone with psl.That percentage number 95 is too much to make any
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[Dr_Bassim]

I have come to realize that this forum is full of warriors.

Reality doesn't change.

Pakistan wants to have influence?

Shut up and do something about it, instead of blaming India for being a dictator.

This "Mazloom" mentality is sickening.

 

[Corridor of Uncertainty]

Everyone cares about rankings. If reflects quality and consistency. This is why Pakistani fans celebrate Babar and Rizwan’s rankings in T20Is and celebrated when Misbah’s Pakistan became the number one ranked Test side in 2016 for 3 seconds.

If you think Pakistan is a better team than India right now it is your delusion and a laughable one. You can also think that Pakistan has dominating India in every war and is a country of angels that has never wronged anyone. There is no limit to fantasies and delusional thinking.

Once again, this is not about India’s money. That is not even the point. The point is that India does not want Pakistan making money directly from India’s actions. It is very simple.

This is why they will not resume bilateral ties with Pakistan or play in Pakistan.

I disagree. Too simplistic.

I don't think it is India preventing Pakistan from making money by playing a series with them. Yes, Pakistan cricket will be better off with India series money but it is thriving without it as well.

This is purely political. A part of the larger strategy that India has outlined about isolating Pakistan. It wasn't working then and not working now.

Although I must say Pakistan itself is doing whatever it can to isolate itself globally and doesn't even need India's help.

 

[MenInG]

Speaking in a TV show:

Younis Khan:

“I think Jay Shah should not have said that but since the bullet has been fired I would ask the PCB to take a firm stance on this issue, just like we did in the past [after New Zealand called off Pakistan’s tour at the eleventh hour] and as you know those teams have begun to tour the country,"

“But if they [BCCI] decide to stick with their decision then it should not matter to us if the Indian team does not participate in Asia Cup and we should consider not travelling to India for the ODI World Cup the following year, nor we should agree to host Asia Cup at a neutral venue"


Kamran Akmal:

“I believe Jay Shah’s statement was unexpected, and since he attended the Pakistan-India game during this year’s Asia Cup, he should reserve politics for his opposition and avoid dragging it into sports"

“Asia Cup should only be hosted in Pakistan and if that does not happen then Pakistan should not play against India at any level, be it ICC events’ matches, Asia Cup matches, or even their match on October 23"

 

[Hitman]

One needs to be practical despite the disdain. Pak cricket has nothing to gain, but everything to lose by opting out of the ODI World Cup next year. I surely can understand the disappointment of Pak fans right now.

 

[zn426]

India have been a far better cricket team across formats for the past 15-20 years. Pakistan has picked up a couple of cheap wins with India in transition, it doesn’t have any long-term implications. You will continue to see India occupy top 3 rankings in Tests and ODIs with Pakistan languishing at 5th and 6th.

Moreover, it has nothing to do with performance and relative strength of the teams on the pitch. It is about India not letting Pakistan make money from India.

Bilateral cricket between the two countries will benefit Pakistan big time and India does not want that.

A couple of wins in transition? Pakistan won 3 of 5 matches in the Aane do series. They won the 2014 Asia cup match. They won the 2017 champion trophy final, the 2021 t20 wc match, and another match just a few weeks ago in the Asia cup. It's been 10-7 India in the last ten years. Certainly it's been in India's favor but it's not the one sided smashing you're claiming, especially when you consider the 2017 win was a final while the matches the last two wins put Pakistan in the driver's seat to the next round.

As far as the Asia cup goes, I think Jay shah is being quite foolish. Pakistan's trials and tribulations won't last forever. Most people do not know how much khan truly changed within Pakistan.

It was stated previously that no one could fathom an attack on the Pakistan cricket team because the ICC would try to prevent it. Is this a joke? Where were they when Sri Lanka was attacked then? If Pakistan wins matches against India it may well cause enormous protests and riots. Indian politicians have been fanning flames of hatred against Pakistan since modi took power. If you politicize everything-if you pursue total war-your forces will choose total destruction of the enemy-and that will be how the Pakistan cricket team will be seen no matter how many times virat kohli hugs babar Azam-as an enemy. This isn't 2011 or 2016 any longer. The ICC doesn't dare risk that because if the Pakistan cricket team is attacked, it will spell the end of cricket and the end of the ICC.

I believe the ACC and ICC awarded Pakistan the Asia cup and champions trophy to put some raita on the gunpowder biryani to cool some of the potential dangers of Pakistan playing in India. Jay shah is risking the future of cricket with his actions. He ought to hope Pakistan never plays in India again should India refuse to play this Asia cup, because he will have told all of India that Pakistan is unwelcome in any capacity.

 

[PakLFC]

This one has a long way to go. I feel a compromise will eventually be reached to please all parties.

 

[cricketjoshila]

IPL without international players is Mushtaq Ali whatever the tournament name. Without international cricket, there are no international players.

Also, without international cricket, where would the indian fans get the white validation they crave in cricket by trying to win in Australia or satisfy their jingo cravings after beating Pakistan.

Without international cricket, BCCI is dead in water. This topic has been discussed earlier too and i would recommend you to stop going polar opposite for the sake it.

But where is pakistan in all this? International cricket and cricketers doesn't mean pakistan.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Yes he said that because he wanted to bring attention to the fact that how important it is to build self sufficient cricket economy, not to concede BCCI hegemony over pcb.. but do you know that PSL is projected to bring lot of revenue for pcb , and even if icc share were to be taken away .. pcb can survive now.. so this argument that BCCI runs world cricket will not stand for very long.

PSL revenues are not huge. The biggest part is broadcast rights and that goes for 12mn a year.

On top of that Franchisees take away 90 per cent of the total revenue.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Lots lf pakistani posters moving from pakistan to entire international cricket.

Pakistan cricket is not equal to international cricket.

No other team or country is involved here, Except India and Pakistan. Talk about them.

Its amusing how pakistanis when devoid of any other argument, bring international cricket here, as if pakistan controls international cricket and teams and cricketers are lining up to do what PCB asks them to.

 

[Savak]

India refusing to play Pakistan in a bilateral series is one thing but the PCB boycotting ICC tournaments to protest BCCI actions will ruffle feathers in the ICC.

Pakistan is at number 4 on the ICC revenue table and has the fourth highest net worth among boards in the world after BCCI, ECB, ACB and this also after a good 14 years of not hosting India in Pakistan.

The ICC will be forced to intervene if the PCB takes an extreme position.

 

[Wasim Ghulam]

PSL revenues are not huge. The biggest part is broadcast rights and that goes for 12mn a year.

On top of that Franchisees take away 90 per cent of the total revenue.

PCB is going to get between 100-120 million $ for 2016-25 cycle from PSL franchise fee. That will increase 25% for next cycle as agreed by franchises. If we compare it with icc share thats roughly the same for 2017-23 cycle. Pcb is projected to get 100-120 Million$. Major of chunk of that is participation fee. Bilateral cricket has resumed in Pakistan. So you can bet Pakistan can survive without having to play india and can even skip Indian hosted tournaments. Most icc can do is deduct share from those tournaments

 

[cricketjoshila]

India refusing to play Pakistan in a bilateral series is one thing but the PCB boycotting ICC tournaments to protest BCCI actions will ruffle feathers in the ICC.

Pakistan is at number 4 on the ICC revenue table and has the fourth highest net worth among boards in the world after BCCI, ECB, ACB and this also after a good 14 years of not hosting India in Pakistan.

The ICC will be forced to intervene if the PCB takes an extreme position.

Let's see what happens if PCB boycotts the WC.

 

[pratiktc]

https://youtu.be/cU-O4ai3vyA

"Of course, ACC is a collective. However, few people are aware that India does not receive a single rupee from ACC. Everyone takes money from the (ACC) coffer, but India ends up distributing it. India has been playing the role of a big brother in ACC. If it has been said that the team might not travel to Pakistan, I can tell you in writing that India won’t. Asia Cup will also be held at a neutral venue. And Pakistan will also definitely come to play World Cup in India.

If India doesn’t participate, the Asia Cup may not even take place. In comparison to the world cup, Asia Cup is a minor competition. By skipping the World Cup, Pakistan will lose out on a significant portion of the revenue that ICC shares with the participating nations." - Aakash Chopra

 

[Savak]

Let's see what happens if PCB boycotts the WC.

The ICC will intervene to sort things out bw India and Pakistan when the boycott card is used and when Ramiz and the Pakistani Cricketing community start turning the heat up publically with daily verbal violtrols. The issue will eventually become diplomatic where the prime ministers will need to intervene.

 

[Savak]

https://youtu.be/cU-O4ai3vyA

"Of course, ACC is a collective. However, few people are aware that India does not receive a single rupee from ACC. Everyone takes money from the (ACC) coffer, but India ends up distributing it. India has been playing the role of a big brother in ACC. If it has been said that the team might not travel to Pakistan, I can tell you in writing that India won’t. Asia Cup will also be held at a neutral venue. And Pakistan will also definitely come to play World Cup in India.

If India doesn’t participate, the Asia Cup may not even take place. In comparison to the world cup, Asia Cup is a minor competition. By skipping the World Cup, Pakistan will lose out on a significant portion of the revenue that ICC shares with the participating nations." - Aakash Chopra

This arrogant India BCCI IPL boasting chearleader is assuming that the ICC will let a world cup go ahead without the Pakistani team in it and will just sit silently with the PCB turns the heat up.

In 2010 when the ICC took away Pakistans hosting rights for the 2011 ODI WC, the PCB sued the ICC and the ICC was then forced to compromise by agreeing to give PCB the hosting right fees and a decent share of the revenues from the tournament.

 

[Slim]

But where is pakistan in all this? International cricket and cricketers doesn't mean pakistan.

Lots lf pakistani posters moving from pakistan to entire international cricket.

Pakistan cricket is not equal to international cricket.

No other team or country is involved here, Except India and Pakistan. Talk about them.

Its amusing how pakistanis when devoid of any other argument, bring international cricket here, as if pakistan controls international cricket and teams and cricketers are lining up to do what PCB asks them to.

This was in response to Mamoon suggesting that India can force ICC to move CT out of Pakistan in 2025. Regarding which I see zero possibility of that happening. He was of the opinion that BCCI and somehow IPL (lol) is bigger than international cricket. A terrible argument, due to which he had to be reminded of reality.

 

[Hitman]

This arrogant India BCCI IPL boasting chearleader is assuming that the ICC will let a world cup go ahead without the Pakistani team in it and will just sit silently with the PCB turns the heat up.

In 2010 when the ICC took away Pakistans hosting rights for the 2011 ODI WC, the PCB sued the ICC and the ICC was then forced to compromise by agreeing to give PCB the hosting right fees and a decent share of the revenues from the tournament.

Didn't the PCB try to move the 2011 World Cup away from India?

 

[Wasim Ghulam]

Every India vs Pakistan group stage match is worth 120-150 cr INR for Indian broadcasters. When they Bid for ICC broadcast rights , they do it considering these indo Pak games as well. Thats why we see India Pak game in literally every icc event since 2007 t20 world cup , 50 over matches since 2009 CT. So for every rights cycle , Icc offers about 7-8 indo Pak games to broadcasters .. dnt think ICC and broadcasters who bid in Billions of $ for rights would like these matches to go away and people who think Pakistan has no bargaining chip in ICC are living in fool's paradise

 

[cricketjoshila]

The ICC will intervene to sort things out bw India and Pakistan when the boycott card is used and when Ramiz and the Pakistani Cricketing community start turning the heat up publically with daily verbal violtrols. The issue will eventually become diplomatic where the prime ministers will need to intervene.

Modi would sign his political death warrant if he compromises due to some threats from pakistan.

What will happen if India says they will boycott any ICC tournaments if WC 23 isn't held in India? Who do you think ICC members will side with?

You really think anyone in Indian cricket is scared of pakistani cricket community's verbal vitroil?

India and bcci has made sure that Indian cricket isnt affected by anything that PCB ir Pakistan cricket can do. No relations whatsoever.

 

[cricketjoshila]

This arrogant India BCCI IPL boasting chearleader is assuming that the ICC will let a world cup go ahead without the Pakistani team in it and will just sit silently with the PCB turns the heat up.

In 2010 when the ICC took away Pakistans hosting rights for the 2011 ODI WC, the PCB sued the ICC and the ICC was then forced to compromise by agreeing to give PCB the hosting right fees and a decent share of the revenues from the tournament.

What heat will PCB turn on?

Lets assume Pakistan doesn't turn up for the WC 23.

ICC will have 2 options

1. Shift WC out of India, thereby playing a WC without India. You think ICC will risk India's participation, for pakistan's sake?

2. Play the WC without pakistan and deduct their proprtional share from the ICC revenues.

Which one appears plausible?

 

[Hitman]

Sports Minister Anurag Thakur Avers 'India Will Host World Cup; BCCI Will Respond To Pak'

Sports minister Anurag Thakur has responded to Pakistan's threat of pulling out of the ICC ODI World up in India next year by stating that the BCCI will respond to it and the ODI World Cup 2023 will happen in India. Following the comments made by BCCI secretary Jay Shah over the shifting of the Asia Cup from Pakistan, the Pakistan Cricket Board responded with its own statement which said, 'The comments were made without any discussion or consultation with the Board of the Asian Cricket Council or the Pakistan Cricket Board (event host) and without any thoughts towards their long-term consequences and implications.'

Link: https://www.republicworld.com/sport...D49hormHTCsBoNVhwCuRzNrvtFZHGukBtxsnp7FHrFHm8

 

[cricketjoshila]

This was in response to Mamoon suggesting that India can force ICC to move CT out of Pakistan in 2025. Regarding which I see zero possibility of that happening. He was of the opinion that BCCI and somehow IPL (lol) is bigger than international cricket. A terrible argument, due to which he had to be reminded of reality.

There is a possibility of CT 2025 being shifted out of pakistan, if India doesn't play, because of revenue reasons.

Though i have already clarified what i think should be the solution. But at the end of the day other boards will have to decide how much revenue hit they are going to take.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Link: https://www.republicworld.com/sport...D49hormHTCsBoNVhwCuRzNrvtFZHGukBtxsnp7FHrFHm8

India will host the WC, with or without pakistan.

 

[Mamoon]

A couple of wins in transition? Pakistan won 3 of 5 matches in the Aane do series. They won the 2014 Asia cup match. They won the 2017 champion trophy final, the 2021 t20 wc match, and another match just a few weeks ago in the Asia cup. It's been 10-7 India in the last ten years. Certainly it's been in India's favor but it's not the one sided smashing you're claiming, especially when you consider the 2017 win was a final while the matches the last two wins put Pakistan in the driver's seat to the next round.

As far as the Asia cup goes, I think Jay shah is being quite foolish. Pakistan's trials and tribulations won't last forever. Most people do not know how much khan truly changed within Pakistan.

It was stated previously that no one could fathom an attack on the Pakistan cricket team because the ICC would try to prevent it. Is this a joke? Where were they when Sri Lanka was attacked then? If Pakistan wins matches against India it may well cause enormous protests and riots. Indian politicians have been fanning flames of hatred against Pakistan since modi took power. If you politicize everything-if you pursue total war-your forces will choose total destruction of the enemy-and that will be how the Pakistan cricket team will be seen no matter how many times virat kohli hugs babar Azam-as an enemy. This isn't 2011 or 2016 any longer. The ICC doesn't dare risk that because if the Pakistan cricket team is attacked, it will spell the end of cricket and the end of the ICC.

I believe the ACC and ICC awarded Pakistan the Asia cup and champions trophy to put some raita on the gunpowder biryani to cool some of the potential dangers of Pakistan playing in India. Jay shah is risking the future of cricket with his actions. He ought to hope Pakistan never plays in India again should India refuse to play this Asia cup, because he will have told all of India that Pakistan is unwelcome in any capacity.

Comparing W/L ratios across a decade doesn’t tell you much because of changes in personnel.

Pakistan caught India at the right time in the 2012-13 series. India was at the end of the cycle with players like Tendulkar, Sehwag, Gambhir, Yuvraj, Zaheer etc.

Tendulkar was dropped from the ODI team, Zaheer was injured and out of favor, Rohit was still batting in the middle-order and Dhawan was not in the side.

The bowling attack was depleted as well with Bhuvneshwar making his debut in that series and the likes of Shami were still waiting to get their chance.

It wasn’t a good period for India because not only did they lose the ODI series to Pakistan, they also lost a home Test series to England.

They made immediate changes to their ODI side after that series and brought fresh blood as won the CT few months later.

The same set of Pakistan and India players played five ODIs between 2017 and 2019 and the score line was 4-1 India which reflects the superiority of their team.

BCCI did a huge favor on PCB by not having any bilateral ties between 2014 and 2020 because it would have been a total massacre for Pakistan.

 

[Hitman]

India will host the WC, with or without pakistan.

No offence to Pak fans, but @ ) ) at anyone who thinks the next World Cup will be shifted away from India if Pakistan refuses to visit India.

 

[Mamoon]

No Indian will encourage Pakistan to bomb its children either, forget minorities.

If you want to stay deluded, as you have no credibility as a poster, go for it. India doesn't play in Pak for because of money is hilarious when the Indian government has officially stated its due to Pak proxy attacks on their lentil eating occupiers in Kashmir.

What the government says and does are two different things. Every government lies to the media, public.

Indian cricket team playing a series with Pakistan and playing in Pakistan will bring lots of revenue for Pakistan and the Indian government will not let Pakistan make money at their expense. It is simple.

Pakistan supporters can cry all they want, reality will not change. If you can do something about it please do otherwise I don’t see the point of complaining and not offering any practical solutions.

 

[Mamoon]

[MENTION=155412]Wasim Ghulam[/MENTION]

Pakistani fans who think India is isolating Pakistan don’t know what real isolation looks like.

India can do to Pakistan what the world did to South Africa from 79 to 90.

India has enough resources and players to arrange additional bilateral series to the point where there is hardly any room for Pakistan in the international cricket calendar.

Considering the pool of players in India, they can field three international teams at the same time.

But asking why India doesn’t do that to Pakistan would be asking why don’t some countries nuke each other.

There are certain limits that you will not cross. Destroying Pakistan cricket is not India’s wish nor does it benefit them in any way. They just don’t want Pakistan to make money from them directly due to the geopolitical situation.

 

[Mamoon]

[MENTION=4924]Kriketer[/MENTION]

I see lots of rona dhona and incoherent rants as usual. Please come up with practical solutions because rants are not worth responding to.

“India should stop doing what it is doing” is not a solution. A solution would be playing cards that would make playing with Pakistan and in Pakistan a mutually beneficial situation for both countries.

Instead of burning like hot coal on Eid barbecue, Pakistani fans should focus on what can be done in practical terms and more importantly, PCB should come up with better plans instead of sending angry letters.

 

[Ab Fan]

A couple of wins in transition? Pakistan won 3 of 5 matches in the Aane do series. They won the 2014 Asia cup match. They won the 2017 champion trophy final, the 2021 t20 wc match, and another match just a few weeks ago in the Asia cup. It's been 10-7 India in the last ten years. Certainly it's been in India's favor but it's not the one sided smashing you're claiming, especially when you consider the 2017 win was a final while the matches the last two wins put Pakistan in the driver's seat to the next round.

As far as the Asia cup goes, I think Jay shah is being quite foolish. Pakistan's trials and tribulations won't last forever. Most people do not know how much khan truly changed within Pakistan.

It was stated previously that no one could fathom an attack on the Pakistan cricket team because the ICC would try to prevent it. Is this a joke? Where were they when Sri Lanka was attacked then? If Pakistan wins matches against India it may well cause enormous protests and riots. Indian politicians have been fanning flames of hatred against Pakistan since modi took power. If you politicize everything-if you pursue total war-your forces will choose total destruction of the enemy-and that will be how the Pakistan cricket team will be seen no matter how many times virat kohli hugs babar Azam-as an enemy. This isn't 2011 or 2016 any longer. The ICC doesn't dare risk that because if the Pakistan cricket team is attacked, it will spell the end of cricket and the end of the ICC.

I believe the ACC and ICC awarded Pakistan the Asia cup and champions trophy to put some raita on the gunpowder biryani to cool some of the potential dangers of Pakistan playing in India. Jay shah is risking the future of cricket with his actions. He ought to hope Pakistan never plays in India again should India refuse to play this Asia cup, because he will have told all of India that Pakistan is unwelcome in any capacity.

12-7 India in last 10 years.

https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/e...anval1=span;team=6;template=results;type=team

 

[cricketjoshila]

No offence to Pak fans, but @ ) ) at anyone who thinks the next World Cup will be shifted away from India if Pakistan refuses to visit India.

I am amazed at the threats,

Pakistan will turn the heat.

British Pakistani community will do this.

PCB and Rameez Raja will do that.

50 over format will be killed.

As if Bcci will sit and do nothing.

 

[Wasim Ghulam]

Comparing W/L ratios across a decade doesn’t tell you much because of changes in personnel.

Pakistan caught India at the right time in the 2012-13 series. India was at the end of the cycle with players like Tendulkar, Sehwag, Gambhir, Yuvraj, Zaheer etc.

Tendulkar was dropped from the ODI team, Zaheer was injured and out of favor, Rohit was still batting in the middle-order and Dhawan was not in the side.

The bowling attack was depleted as well with Bhuvneshwar making his debut in that series and the likes of Shami were still waiting to get their chance.

It wasn’t a good period for India because not only did they lose the ODI series to Pakistan, they also lost a home Test series to England.

They made immediate changes to their ODI side after that series and brought fresh blood as won the CT few months later.

The same set of Pakistan and India players played five ODIs between 2017 and 2019 and the score line was 4-1 India which reflects the superiority of their team.

BCCI did a huge favor on PCB by not having any bilateral ties between 2014 and 2020 because it would have been a total massacre for Pakistan.

Are you for real? In that particular series India had almost same players that won them CT 2013 India was lucky to get away with 3-0 defeat in ODIs.. Pakistan team botched an easy chase in Delhi. When India won 4-1 in period of 2017-2019 .. same can be said that India was more established and Pakistan were in transition phase. CT final win alone makes up for additional 2 meaningless wins for India. 2019 win did nt translate into cup for India. Asia cup wins came on back of poor team selection on part of Pakistan. Indians keep boosting about post 2003 era as dominant phase over Pakistan but thats not true. india was never able to dominate Pakistan post 2003 wc as Pakistan dominated India post 1986 Miandad's two sixes. That domination phase of Pakistan went on for about 15 years. Where we would win 70% of matches against India. If you dig up some stats , 2003-2015 head to head games are evenly won by both sides. May be one extra game by India in both tests and ODi. T20Is only series India played was drawn. Thats why Indians dnt talk about head to head to establish their superiority in cricket.. all they talk about is world cup games . Even winning 12-1 over 3 decades could nt reduce the gap in head to head , such was domination of Pakistan team over India in 90s. No point in Assuming Pakistan would have lost the series played over period 2013-2021 against india. Playing an odd game in world cup gives advantage to india because Pakistan is known to loose against sides which they have played less to no cricket.. but if regular cricket was played berween India Pakistan, im pretty sure Pakistan's head to head lead would have survived

 

[Energy]

The PCB does not need to get emotional at all. They need to continue inviting bilateral series and grow the PSL. At the same time continue to keep getting revenue from all ICC/ACC events in all its capacities.

Keep doing this consistently for the next 4-5 years and a big tournament will land your way. I said this before as well.

The chest thump from either side does not achieve anything.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

This is all too boring. India should have gone there for the Asia Cup and left right before the toss citing security concerns.

 

[Rana]

This is all too boring. India should have gone there for the Asia Cup and left right before the toss citing security concerns.

Lol

And then Pakistan would go in with their F16s and bring back more guests for a Tea party

 

[cricketjoshila]

PCB would take the mickey out if they say that let the Asia cup be in India, but hosting rights be with Pakistan. And PCB will hence take all the money from the ticket sales and in ground sponsorship.

 

[shaz619]

No offence to Pak fans, but @ ) ) at anyone who thinks the next World Cup will be shifted away from India if Pakistan refuses to visit India.

That would never happen but Pak not playing it is a possibility and I just think that’s crap if it happened, it would be 8 years until they play in the biggest event in cricket. People acting like this is fine, are nuts, all cricket fans should want test playing nations to play in a major event

 

[shaz619]

The PCB does not need to get emotional at all. They need to continue inviting bilateral series and grow the PSL. At the same time continue to keep getting revenue from all ICC/ACC events in all its capacities.

Keep doing this consistently for the next 4-5 years and a big tournament will land your way. I said this before as well.

The chest thump from either side does not achieve anything.

The argument from the PCB would be that they’ve been doing that and have had success getting the big teams to tour again and in doing so want to host the Asia Cup. But with India, things get complicated politically.

 

[Energy]

The argument from the PCB would be that they’ve been doing that and have had success getting the big teams to tour again and in doing so want to host the Asia Cup. But with India, things get complicated politically.

That's fine if it gets political. No big deal. India coming to Pakistan or Pakistan going to India or they both playing anywhere else is still achieving the purpose i.e. cricket being played between the two and revenue stream to both boards. That is of importance to both BCCI and PCB eventually.

Will you say India visiting Pakistan for that boring test series on the road a decade ago was a stand-out event compared to say, the other neutral venue games they have played? Not really.

 

[Usman Chadda]

Pakistan fans are naive or they are acting that way. There is no chance an Indian cricket team will tour Pakistan in the near future.

It has nothing to do with India not wanting Pakistan to make money, it’s to do with the BJP’s ideology and what Pakistan represents to them and their people. Modi is never going to shoot himself in the foot by allowing the Indian national team to visit the ‘enemy’ shores.

I’m sure Rameez is smart enough to realize that and is just doing this for show. Throwing toys out of the pram won’t achieve much here.

 

[MenInG]

And India responds to Pakistan's response....

==

India today reacted sharply to Pakistan's threat to pull out of the ICC World Cup next year in a row over the Asia Cup. "You can't ignore India," Sports Minister Anurag Thakur said, asserting that "all top teams" will come to the country for the World Cup.

"The ODI World Cup will take place next year in India and all big teams around the globe will take part in it. Because you can't ignore India in any sport. India has contributed a lot to sports, especially cricket. What is cricket without India," the Sports Minister said.

The row started after Asian Cricket Council chief Jay Shah said on Tuesday that India will not travel to Pakistan for next year's Asia Cup and that the tournament could be shifted to a neutral venue.

Anurag Thakur said the home ministry would decide on the cricket team's travel to Pakistan for the Asia Cup. "Possibilities are always there. Who thought there will be COVID-19? Anything can happen but the chances (of Indian team travelling to Pakistan) are not much. It's a decision that will be taken by the home ministry. Overall, players' safety and security is an important matter," said the minister, according to PTI.

Jay Shah's statement has triggered strong reactions from the Pakistani cricket community. Pakistan has been hosting top international teams at home since last year. Teams like Australia and England have toured the country recently.The Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) said Jay Shah's comments were unilateral and could "split" the international cricket community. It also said moving the Asia Cup out of Pakistan "could impact future events in India" like the World Cup."

The overall impact of such statements have the potential to split the Asian and international cricketing communities and can impact Pakistan's visit to India for the ICC Cricket World Cup 2023 and future ICC Events in India in the 2024-2031 cycle," PCB said in its statement.

The clash comes days before India and Pakistan play in the opening match of the Twenty20 World Cup in Melbourne on Sunday.

Bilateral cricket remains suspended between India and Pakistan who play each other only in multi-team tournaments.

India had last toured Pakistan for a bilateral series in 2005-06 under the leadership of Rahul Dravid. The estranged neighbours have not played a bilateral cricket series since 2012-13 when Pakistan had toured India for three T20Is and as many ODIs.

Ties between India and Pakistan have been strained over Kashmir and cross-border terrorism from Pakistan. Bilateral relations between the two nosedived after terror attacks in Jammu and Kashmir that India says involved Pakistan-based terror outfit

NDTV

 

[DeadlyVenom]

PCB would take the mickey out if they say that let the Asia cup be in India, but hosting rights be with Pakistan. And PCB will hence take all the money from the ticket sales and in ground sponsorship.

Is there a ground in Srinagar?

Then it could work.

 

[Ryw]

If Pakistan after so many years couldnt manage to sort "Kashmir conflict" begging to int sena countries for help, howcome Ramiz will manage to put pressure on India on this.
Here is the reality Pak is in no position to dictate,better listen to Thakur and Shah and play cricket or face the concequences

 

[MenInG]

Union Minister of I&B and Youth Affairs and Sports, Anurag Thakur, on Thursday, said that the Home Ministery will take a call on India touring Pakistan for the Asia cup next year. His response comes a day after the Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB), requested the Asian Cricket Council to convene an emergency meeting in the wake of BCCI secretary Jay Shah’s statement that India won’t travel to Pakistan for next year’s Asia Cup.

The PCB had also mentioned that if India did not travel across the border for the tournament then such a move could jeopardise Pakistan’s participation in the ODI World Cup.

However, Thakur has said that all big teams, including Pakistan, will take part in the ODI World Cup, which is set to be held in India in 2023.

“All teams who qualify for (World Cup) are invited (to compete on the Indian soil). Many times Pakistan teams have come to India and played. I feel India is not in a position to be dictated (by someone) and there is no reason for anyone to do that. I expect all countries to come and compete,” Thakur told a select gathering of journalists when asked about the controversy that erupted after Shah’s statement.

"India has contributed a lot to sports, especially cricket. So, the World Cup will be organised next year, and it will grand and historic event. Home ministry will take a decision as there is security concerns in Pakistan. It’s not just cricket. India is not in a position to listen to anyone,” he added."

https://indianexpress.com/article/s...hits-back-at-pcb-over-asia-cup-issue-8220551/

 

[aqeelPK]

Asia cup will be shifted to neutral venue. Pakistan in return will get to play their WC23 matches at Lahore/Karachi. Mark my words. Not a bad deal imo.

 

[msb314]

Asia cup will be shifted to neutral venue. Pakistan in return will get to play their WC23 matches at Lahore/Karachi. Mark my words. Not a bad deal imo.

The 2023 WC is in India (not Pakistan)