PCB's treatment of Mohammad Hasnain

[Saj]

Some curious goings-on regarding Mohammad Hasnain.

Hyped as the next big thing after impressing at the PSL, he now finds himself completely out of the picture.

April - Named in provisional World Cup squad
May - Named in final World Cup squad
June/July - Doesn't play a single match at the World Cup
August - Ignored for list of centraly contracted players
August - Ignored for 20 player training camp

Strange stuff from those in the corridors of power at PCB.

 

[Markhor]

Should not have been picked in the first place. One PSL campaign and people were going gaga.

Let's talk once the kid plays some 4 day cricket.

 

[shah_1]

I have said it before

This PCB won’t change until same dinosaurs occupying the office for decade are still in charge. One Wasim Khan is not enough.


Imran Khan’s vision is being laid out by these same dinosaurs. At the end Imran Khan will be abused and bashed if this system doesn’t work. Hopefully that doesn’t happen for Pakistan cricket sake.

 

[Shams123]

To be fair Hasnain hasnt done anything up till now to deserve any special treatment from the pcb. Let him first play and perform consistently in domestic matches and Psl and then we can judge how pcb treats him. No doubt he is a special talent and one to look out for the future.

 

[barah_admi]

I am still slightly confused as to what the camp is for. Is it developmental? If so why are the likes of azhar Ali there ? If it is in prep for future squads, why are players that have just played fc cricket included ?

What is the point of it all?

As for hasnain he has a lot of time and bowled well in England. He just needs to be given time to play fc cricket.

 

[saeed5646]

Won't lie i was huge fan of him before his international debut but after seeing his progress till now he is far from ready .he should play full domestic season to improve his fitness and bowling action which was falling apart in one of games against England

 

[Manunited18]

Hasnain is a raw diamond who needs to be polished, the potential is there in the coming few years

 

[Arham_PakFan]

Should not have been picked in the first place. One PSL campaign and people were going gaga.

Let's talk once the kid plays some 4 day cricket.

Agreed. Picking him instead of Shinwari was a stupid,kneejerk decision.

 

[Greenstorm]

We desperately need an express pacer for test cricket. Now that Wahab has retired, Hasnain can be selected for tests against Australia later this year provided that he performs well in initial domestic season.

 

[Hasan123]

Still needs time to develop.

 

[Major]

Not PCB but Inzamam.

He was very unfair to SHinwari

 

[Saj]

Hasnain is a raw diamond who needs to be polished, the potential is there in the coming few years

But if he was that, then why take him to the World Cup and just occupy a place in the squad.

 

[Sherlock]

But if he was that, then why take him to the World Cup and just occupy a place in the squad.

Maybe you can ask Inzi that, as many on here thought it was a stupid decision to have Hasnain go to the WC in the first place.

 

[Saj]

Maybe you can ask Inzi that, as many on here thought it was a stupid decision to have Hasnain go to the WC in the first place.

Certainly will.

I wonder who picked him for the World Cup squad. Perhaps Arthur pushed for him to teach Junaid a lesson?

 

[Mueez]

Certainly will.

I wonder who picked him for the World Cup squad. Perhaps Arthur pushed for him to teach Junaid a lesson?

Then Mickey should’ve selected Shinwari instead of Hasnain.

We could’ve used him instead of Hasan Ali or when Shaheen couldn’t bowl the right line and length.

 

[Muhammad Saad]

To be fair he is not that special, sure he got a bit of pace for now and I am sure he will be a consistent 150k bowlers in few years times but that's it, a pace alone won't get you any where unless he learns it how to move the ball and bowl consistent yorkers.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Shouldn't have been in the squad in the first place. Needs to play a few seasons of domestic cricket before being considered for the national team.

He is not as naturally gifted/talented as Shaheen.

 

[CricketDon]

I have said it before

This PCB won’t change until same dinosaurs occupying the office for decade are still in charge. One Wasim Khan is not enough.


Imran Khan’s vision is being laid out by these same dinosaurs. At the end Imran Khan will be abused and bashed if this system doesn’t work. Hopefully that doesn’t happen for Pakistan cricket sake.

Imran Khan deserves all the blame. I remember he used to give all the big talk about what he’d do if he’s in charge blah blah blah.

Nothing’s changed.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Then Mickey should’ve selected Shinwari instead of Hasnain.

We could’ve used him instead of Hasan Ali or when Shaheen couldn’t bowl the right line and length.

Shaheen had one bad game. Once he found his length he was unstoppable and arguably Pakistan's best bowler in the later stages. Shinwari is useless and shouldn't be anywhere near the national team

 

[Cricketrenew]

Hasnain either needs to be faster and more accurate with his bouncer or needs to find swing at the moment he looked like a decent pick but not up to par for international cricket.

 

[Pete Rose]

Pakistan's comparing in the world cup was in trouble early on, so there was no room for taking risks in selections (except the miserable malik and hafeez, of course), so he never got a look in.
Ppl who were comparing his selection to Akhtar should remember that Akhtar was already having an impact in the odis he had already played. I think the PCB's job now is just to ensure that he is not too dejected or bitter, since he didn't choose to fast track himself.

 

[ads101]

Because Shinwari's ahead of him in the picking order. I really don't know why he was picked over Shinwari for World cup and England squad. He was given 5 ODIs to show something, but was clearly too raw for the world cup.

He can still be a great talent for the future, but PCB now gives out so few contracts, that no emerging talents are given contracts. It's all basically to players who are in the playing XI, not squad players.

Highlights really the issue with the new contracts. I really don't support reducing the number of players on contract like this, you're giving no incentive to the emerging Pakistani players or the guys who top domestic yet aren't part of international team yet.

If anything it's the guys who are in the squads who don't play need the contracts. Guys who are regularly playing get plenty of money via match fees.

 

[shah_1]

How many domestic bowlers can bowl around 150 kph?

This was not the offical squad, it would have been good if he had some experince before playing domestic cricket. NCA is meant for development so people are naive or fools for saying he needs more time to develop

If Rahat Ali and Asif Ali could be selected, surely there is a place for Hasnain

 

[Chief Destroyer]

Mickey gone, young players gone.

 

[Mueez]

Shaheen had one bad game. Once he found his length he was unstoppable and arguably Pakistan's best bowler in the later stages. Shinwari is useless and shouldn't be anywhere near the national team

Shinwari was our best bowler before the WC.

However the signs aren’t looking promising for in the future...

Young players are slowly going out of radar.

 

[The Viper]

Why take him to the WC if he is not even going to get a game? We can question his selection but why was he not even given the BD game?

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Shinwari was our best bowler before the WC.

However the signs aren’t looking promising for in the future...

Young players are slowly going out of radar.

Taking lots of wickets against low-quality oppositions doesn't exactly make him our best bowler. He had one very good spell against South Africa and nothing else of note.

People always make seeping generalized statements like the one you just made but young talent will keep coming as it has in the past. If you can't see the likes of Shaheen, Shadab, Babar as an affirmation of this then I don't know what to say. Hasnain aswell has the potential to become one of the scariest bowlers in the world with a bit of polishing and grooming

 

[ManFan]

Hasnain just needs a pit of polishing and he can be world-class in two years time.

People need to show some patience and realize he only turned 19 years old two months before the World Cup.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Why take him to the WC if he is not even going to get a game? We can question his selection but why was he not even given the BD game?

Because it's the World Cup and not a practice game or a meaningless bilateral. You play your best bowlers and your best eleven.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Shinwari was our best bowler before the WC.

However the signs aren’t looking promising for in the future...

Young players are slowly going out of radar.

At best Shinwari is a poor man's Umar Gul. At worst, he's an 85 mph trundler with zero line and length who got taken for 29 runs in that final over by David Miller

 

[moghul]

Some curious goings-on regarding Mohammad Hasnain.

Hyped as the next big thing after impressing at the PSL, he now finds himself completely out of the picture.

April - Named in provisional World Cup squad
May - Named in final World Cup squad
June/July - Doesn't play a single match at the World Cup
August - Ignored for list of centraly contracted players
August - Ignored for 20 player training camp

Strange stuff from those in the corridors of power at PCB.

I wanted to write something about this when I did not see his name in 20 players called for training camp, but I just did not believe myself, thought it was just be a type and will be corrected soon, so would wait.

Its unbelievable to find his name among the camp attending players.

 

[moghul]

I think, Misbah replaced Husnain with another even younger fast bowling sensation, Rahat Ali. Rahat must be the future of Pakistan's fast bowling , not Husnain, as per Misbah.

 

[Mueez]

Taking lots of wickets against low-quality oppositions doesn't exactly make him our best bowler. He had one very good spell against South Africa and nothing else of note.

People always make seeping generalized statements like the one you just made but young talent will keep coming as it has in the past. If you can't see the likes of Shaheen, Shadab, Babar as an affirmation of this then I don't know what to say. Hasnain aswell has the potential to become one of the scariest bowlers in the world with a bit of polishing and grooming

Yes there is no doubt Hasnain can be one heck of a bowler but he has to get selected and that is what is worrying me for in the future.

Atleast during Mickey’s regime we introduced a young core who can play for Pakistan for atleast 10 years.

And if these youngsters won’t get selected we would go back to TTFs...

At best Shinwari is a poor man's Umar Gul. At worst, he's an 85 mph trundler with zero line and length who got taken for 29 runs in that final over by David Miller

Shinwari lacks control sometimes but I get it.

 

[The Viper]

Because it's the World Cup and not a practice game or a meaningless bilateral. You play your best bowlers and your best eleven.

We have to think about the players perspective here. He carried drinks all tournament and it would have not made much difference to play him against BD in a dead rubber.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Yes there is no doubt Hasnain can be one heck of a bowler but he has to get selected and that is what is worrying me for in the future.

Atleast during Mickey’s regime we introduced a young core who can play for Pakistan for atleast 10 years.

And if these youngsters won’t get selected we would go back to TTFs...





Shinwari lacks control sometimes but I get it.

Have faith in the system. I have a feeling things will be different this time. Hasnain has made an impression. A bowler like him will not be easy to forget or side-line

As for TTFs, the selectors (whoever they might be) have to decide once and for all that the door must be shut for good on these Akmals, Shehzads, Rahat Alis

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

We have to think about the players perspective here. He carried drinks all tournament and it would have not made much difference to play him against BD in a dead rubber.

Team always comes before the player. Even if its a dead-rubber against Bangladesh. Hasnain will have a number of games to prove himself. The World Cup is no place for auditions.

It's this kind of mindset that has set us apart from teams like Australia, New Zealand who don't even think twice before dropping their gun bowlers like Starc, Hazelwood and are focused completely on conditions, reading the pitch, playing the best eleven. And here we are arguing why an untested 19 year old (who btw bowled poorly against England and Australia) didn't get a game. He should count himself lucky to have been part of the squad.

 

[The Viper]

Team always comes before the player. Even if its a dead-rubber against Bangladesh. Hasnain will have a number of games to prove himself. The World Cup is no place for auditions.

It's this kind of mindset that has set us apart from teams like Australia, New Zealand who don't even think twice before dropping their gun bowlers like Starc, Hazelwood and are focused completely on conditions, reading the pitch, playing the best eleven. And here we are arguing why an untested 19 year old (who btw bowled poorly against England and Australia) didn't get a game. He should count himself lucky to have been part of the squad.

He shouldn't have been picked, but that was beyond his control.

Hasan Ali played horribly but still played 4 games. You can say he was inexperienced or raw, but not getting one game is baffling.

They played 4 pacers vs Aus but still preferred Hasan Ali. So even there are reasons for his selection.

We can agree to disagree about playing the best squad in the dead rubber.

I just don't think playing Hasnain really puts the result in doubt at all.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

He shouldn't have been picked, but that was beyond his control.

Hasan Ali played horribly but still played 4 games. You can say he was inexperienced or raw, but not getting one game is baffling.

They played 4 pacers vs Aus but still preferred Hasan Ali. So even there are reasons for his selection.

We can agree to disagree about playing the best squad in the dead rubber.

I just don't think playing Hasnain really puts the result in doubt at all.

Hasan Ali had the biggest hand in Pakistan winning its only ODI trophy in 25 years, he earned alot of faith from the team management who were hoping him to replicate something similar. It didn't happen. But if the World Cup was starting today or if we were playing Australia tomorrow, they would have still gone for Hasan Ali because on paper was the better pick.

 

[Saj]

I just hope he doesn't get lost in the jungle that is Pakistan domestic cricket - if that happens then anything is possible.

 

[o_ahsan99]

Certainly will.

I wonder who picked him for the World Cup squad. Perhaps Arthur pushed for him to teach Junaid a lesson?

Whats the story with Junaid? Why did he need to be taught a lesson?

 

[Bilal Ahmad15]

Yes, the way PCB has treated Hasnain is shocking. The thing is with Shaheen, they managed him very well by slowly getting him into the ODI and test team, however with Hasnain they do the complete opposite and select him for WC based on his PSL perfomances (which is unbelievable) and also because he bowled a few deliveries at 150 kh. And the worst thing is he didn;t play a single game in the World Cup!!!When he got selected for WC, people were saying he is an x-factor, but he had no good/ solid ODI preformances (after 5 or so games). And the thing is, he isn't even an express bowler (currently) he only bowls a few 150kph deliveries every now an then, and his average pace is probably below 145kph

 

[Saj]

Asked to interview him.

However he needs PCB permission, even though he's not a contracted player

 

[CleverSir]

Asked to interview him.

However he needs PCB permission, even though he's not a contracted player

He probably doesn't want to get on the PCB bad side right now. Especially with the Domestic contracts to be announced soon. Probably hoping for 1 of those 1/2nd XI contracts to come his way.

 

[KhanNn]

Might be due to the fact that players now need to play domestic cricket, perform then be picked for the national side?

 

[Prince of Pakistan]

It was Mickey getting it all wrong. He thought Shaheen and Hasnain's pace would blow away every opposition. He underestimated the factor experience in pressure games.

Also he didn't like the Junaid's so Hasnain got lucky even though he didn't play a game.

 

[Junaids]

It was Mickey getting it all wrong. He thought Shaheen and Hasnain's pace would blow away every opposition. He underestimated the factor experience in pressure games.

Also he didn't like the Junaid's so Hasnain got lucky even though he didn't play a game.

The thing is, Jofra Archer has only ever bowled in 27 more Red Ball matches than Hasnain, yet already his pace is the only thing that can tame Steve Smith.

Hasnain has the gift of pace allied with enough height to be effective.

Mickey Arthur was right to identify him as a huge talent, and to recognize that playing domestic cricket in Pakistan will damage him, not improve him.

He needs to be completely removed from domestic cricket and sent on every single national team tour, primarily as a net and side match bowler.

Pakistan has a Test in Brisbane in 12 weeks. Abbas is too slow to succeed there and Amir has retired.

Pakistan will need Hasnain and Shaheen Shah Afridi in that match, and everything should be happening now to ensure that Hasnain is playing club cricket in England and is ready for the Brisbane Test.

 

[Major]

He was inzamams pick i think.

He was there as wahab riazs replacement.

Its funny, they were not sure of wahab riaz yet they sent him anyways. Than they select hasnain as his back up.

Thing is, what they did with Usman shinwari was just pathetic.

 

[MenInG]

Misbah speaking on Hasnain today:

"Hasnain was a part of our plans and we spoke to him, he was coming on the 22nd but he pulled out because he has a contract at the CPL"

 

[Rellu_Katta]

Picked up in the 16 ... should be getting atleast 3/4 games .... him and shanwari should play most games