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So while the main pacers with Shaheen and Naseem are straight forward selections, it would be interesting to discuss how the rest of the bench strength is and who stands where in terms of the ODI pecking order.

Haris Rauf is the expected 3rd seamer

For me the rest of the order is as follows based upon how the team and selectors might be looking at it as well;

Mohammad Wasim Jr (Despite inconsistencies in accuracy, 24 wickets in ODI @ 24 and 35 in T20Is @19 should stand for something)

Ihsanullah (Offers something different and extra to others with his extra bounce along with pace but, fitness issues are there at the moment)

Mohammad Hasnain (Many would argue that he has been given inconsistent opportunities in the national team but, at the same time he didnt really capitalize on them on quite a few occasions. Still he is there in the mix and we can hope he can get through to the next stage)

Shahnawaz Dahani (Again just like others he has pace, has got that natural hyper extension to go with it that gives him that extra bounce but struggles with consistency and transitioning to that next level for now)

Arshad Iqbal (Bowled extremely well in that emerging Asia Cup final, has been bowling really well in the last year or so and has increased his pace as well through some work with the coaches, has height and hits the deck hard rushing the batsmen)

Zaman Khan (Definitely right up there in T20Is as 3rd, 4th option but not really sure where to put him in the pecking order for white ball cricket as a whole. Without a doubt in T20s he has made a name for himself and have impressed many with his handling of pressure situation, eagerness to learn/improve, his death bowling skills but when it comes to List A cricket he has just played 7 matches so that can warrant an ODI selection on its own alone but at the same time he has showed potential with white ball)

How do you guys think the pecking order should be?
 
I would include Aamir Jamal…after Wasim Junior, probably ahead of Ihsanullah because Amir Jamal has pace, is mentally strong and has the right attitude/hard working … We already saw how he defenfed runs against Moin ali in his debut match… Ihsanullah‘s fitness might be an issue ..also i dont think Ihsanullah is ready yet for worldcup challenge.. Team management included him in the squad in tests, so they must rate him…
 
Caution my list is for ODIs only.

My ranking would go like this -

Shaheen (locked)

Naseem (locked)

#1) Haris Rauf - Clear 3rd seamer. His pace will throw some batsmen off if they face him after facing a few overs from Naseem and Shaheen who mostly bowl high 130s and low 140s. Almost 50% of his wicket have come against the middle order so he's the perfect bowler to complement the 2 Shahs.

#2) Mohammad Wasim Jr - Wasim has been a very consistent wicket-taker in ODIs for Pakistan recently and he has arguably been better than Haris. Wasim has a nice distribution of wickets taken by batting order showing that he's a proper wicket-taker.

Top Order (1-3)
13 (33.3%)​
Middle Order(4-7)
19 (48.7%)​
Tail (8-11)
7 (17.9%)​

#3) Mohammad Hasnain - Hasnain has experience in international cricket and he's been decent in List A cricket recently. Seems like a primarily new ball bowler but I'm sure he can adjust to bowling in the middle overs.

#4) Zaman Khan - Since Naseem and Shaheen will probably share the new ball Zaman can come in and use the old ball. I like his reverse swing and Yorkers. Still needs to be tested which is why he's #4 for me.

#5) Arshad Iqbal - I like him but he's a new ball bowler, Naseem and Shaheen are already sharing the new ball so I'd prefer a better old ball bowler than Arshad to be selected as 3rd or 4th seamer. Another problem with him is that he has no experience in international ODI cricket.

#6) Ihsanullah - Ihsanullah needed to be tested more. I'd back him ahead of even Haris if he got some ODI matches under his belt. As things stand right now he's not even an option for the world cup due to a lack of experience.


#No Chance) Shahnawaz Dahani - Zero chance. Playing him against any half-decent team will do serious damage to Pakistan. He has completely lost it as of late.
 
Farah Sohail said:
I would include Aamir Jamal…after Wasim Junior, probably ahead of Ihsanullah because Amir Jamal has pace, is mentally strong and has the right attitude/hard working … We already saw how he defenfed runs against Moin ali in his debut match… Ihsanullah‘s fitness might be an issue ..also i dont think Ihsanullah is ready yet for worldcup challenge.. Team management included him in the squad in tests, so they must rate him…
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Team Management included Amir Jamal* in squad in tests, so they must rate him
 
Hextro said:
Caution my list is for ODIs only.

My ranking would go like this -

Shaheen (locked)

Naseem (locked)

#1) Haris Rauf - Clear 3rd seamer. His pace will throw some batsmen off if they face him after facing a few overs from Naseem and Shaheen who mostly bowl high 130s and low 140s. Almost 50% of his wicket have come against the middle order so he's the perfect bowler to complement the 2 Shahs.

#2) Mohammad Wasim Jr - Wasim has been a very consistent wicket-taker in ODIs for Pakistan recently and he has arguably been better than Haris. Wasim has a nice distribution of wickets taken by batting order showing that he's a proper wicket-taker.

Top Order (1-3)
13 (33.3%)​
Middle Order(4-7)
19 (48.7%)​
Tail (8-11)
7 (17.9%)​

#3) Mohammad Hasnain - Hasnain has experience in international cricket and he's been decent in List A cricket recently. Seems like a primarily new ball bowler but I'm sure he can adjust to bowling in the middle overs.

#4) Zaman Khan - Since Naseem and Shaheen will probably share the new ball Zaman can come in and use the old ball. I like his reverse swing and Yorkers. Still needs to be tested which is why he's #4 for me.

#5) Arshad Iqbal - I like him but he's a new ball bowler, Naseem and Shaheen are already sharing the new ball so I'd prefer a better old ball bowler than Arshad to be selected as 3rd or 4th seamer. Another problem with him is that he has no experience in international ODI cricket.

#6) Ihsanullah - Ihsanullah needed to be tested more. I'd back him ahead of even Haris if he got some ODI matches under his belt. As things stand right now he's not even an option for the world cup due to a lack of experience.


#No Chance) Shahnawaz Dahani - Zero chance. Playing him against any half-decent team will do serious damage to Pakistan. He has completely lost it as of late.
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Dahani looked to be developing into a good bowler, but looks like a imposter these days.
 
I'm not the biggest fan of Rauf as 3rd seamer in ODI's. Batsmen are able to sit back a bit more against him compared to t20's where Rauf successfully rushes them, but in 50 over cricket they can effectively wait for the bad ball which will definitely come. Rauf also lacks any decent seam movement or swing and he can't bat.

I'd have liked to see us groom someone else for the role but a calamitous failure by the management to give Pakistan enough ODI's across the past few years has seen us fail at that task.

Ultimately i think Rauf will play by default and he might do ok in India, but we missed a trick by not giving someone else more opportunities to take that spot away from him.
 
Shaheen (locked)
Naseem (locked)

1.Rauf bowls at high pace takes wickets in the middle overs also a brilliant fielder.

2.Mohammad Wasim Jnr has been outstanding in odis with his wicket taking abilities and is also a good fielder.

3.Zaman Khan can bowl with the new ball and with the older ball and has good control however he hasn't been tested yet.

4.Ihsanullah hasn't been tested but he has the attributes to succeed in international cricket.
 
Shaheen shah
Naseem shah
Haris rauf
Wasim jr
Zaman khan
Aamir jamal
Ihsanullah
Hassan ali
Arshad iqbal
Shahnawaz dahani
Faheem ashraf
 
Good thread. We have Shaheen and Naseem locked for opening burst across all formats now I believe.

For Tests (Asian Conditions) - If we need a third seamer he should be someone who can bat and can bowl with old ball i.e. reverse swing so the best bet would be Wasim Jr or Hasan Ali

For Tests (SENA) - We would ideally need 4 pace bowlers in these conditions. Ihsanullah should be one of the pacer given he brings pace and bounce which others don't bring to that extent. Hasnain does the same too but Ihsanullah has definitely more pace and more bounce than Hasnain. The 4th pacer should be again someone who can bat and ideally tidy up one end. For now it would be Faheem Ashraf but Aamir Jamal or Wasim Jr can be there as alternatives too.

For ODIs - Haris Rauf is already there as an established 3rd seamer in limited overs. However if the pitch has something to offer to quicks then we should play another seamer in the shape of Ihsanullah or Hasnain.

For T20 - Again Haris Rauf is already there but it would be harsh not to include Zaman Khan after the kind of performances he has been delivering.
 
It seems like we are very blessed with options in white ball. To be honest many of these pacers have a similar pedigree.

The key for me to identify the seamer for red ball.
 
Seems like Dahani may not be in that list for long, given his outburst
 
Lfc4life786 said:
Shaheen shah
Naseem shah
Haris rauf
Wasim jr
Zaman khan
Aamir jamal
Ihsanullah
Hassan ali
Arshad iqbal
Shahnawaz dahani
Faheem ashraf
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spot on with zaman khan for me. we don't know if he can bowl like that in ODIs but his accuracy and variation is something else. arshad iqbal is also great, bowls a heavy ball around 140-145 and makes the batsman jump, but he's a new ball bowler.
 
Zaman khan is not suitable to ODI cricket. Its an early call for him to get into the squad, they should have been picked Hasnain.
 
Suddenly Faheem Ashraf and Dhani are into the mix and ahead of more deserving fast bowlers in the team 🥴 like Wasim Jnr, Arshad Iqbal
 
I would add Ihsanullah and Hasan Ali instead of Zaman Khan and Dahani. I don't think Zaman Khan and Dahani are good enough to play ODI cricket at the moment.
 
hassan918 said:
I would add Ihsanullah and Hasan Ali instead of Zaman Khan and Dahani. I don't think Zaman Khan and Dahani are good enough to play ODI cricket at the moment.
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Ihsanullah, Hasan Ali and Hasnain were ahead in the pecking order but, unfortunately all three are injured. Ihsan with elbow injury (Might resume bowling in a week or so as per his last interview, it was possibly due to the way he used to load up in his action as some experts suggested), Hasan (With a left hand finger fracture that happened in LPL) and Hasnain (With his foot/heel injury which he has struggled with since early in his career, might have something to do with the way his delivery stride is putting in a lot of pressure in his landing foot).
 
1. Amir
2. Haris Rauf
3. Shaheen Shah Afridi
4. Naseem Shah
5. Dahani
 
I think we’ll have a really good idea of the pecking order after this match against Sri Lanka.

I have it as

1) Shaheen Shah - I’d like him to be used for the opening 5 overs and return for short bursts throughout the innings, especially if we get an opening.

2) Naseem Shah - Good all throughout the innings.

3) Haris Rauf - He’s been pretty consistently good recently. He’s an aggressive bowler and he brings a flare to the team. Also his style of bowling gives us another dimension compared to Shaheen and Naseem.

4) Mohammad Wasim Jr - Proven himself to be a really good option for taking wickets throughout the innings but particularly in the middle overs and keeping the economy low in the death overs. Really good yorker. I would like to see him improve his batting some more as he’d be able to hold a spot as a fast bowling all rounder for us. The other bowlers can also score some runs so we don’t need too much from him, just an average of 15-25 at a high strike rate.

The only other two bowlers who catch my eye right now are Ihsanullah and Zaman Khan. Ihsanullah seems like he could be a star but he’s still a little raw and seems to be dealing with injuries now. Zaman Khan is interesting because he could really keep the economy low in the death and clutch moments but we’ll have to see how he performs today in ODIs.
 
Naseem Shah is the best fast bowler in Pakistan.
Arshad iqbal is the best option for ODi’s as new ball back up.
Ihsanullah and Rauf as third pacers.
Shaheen is a lock but needs to get his pace back and be more intelligent with his length.
These are the only guys that should be in the reckoning. Zaman is too limited in that he is just a t20 bowler who offers very little except death bowling.
 
ethan hunt said:
Naseem Shah is the best fast bowler in Pakistan.
Arshad iqbal is the best option for ODi’s as new ball back up.
Ihsanullah and Rauf as third pacers.
Shaheen is a lock but needs to get his pace back and be more intelligent with his length.
These are the only guys that should be in the reckoning. Zaman is too limited in that he is just a t20 bowler who offers very little except death bowling.
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Totally agree with this. For ODIs (and even tests barring Rauf) that's our 5 bowlers in the squad: Shaheen, Naseem, Rauf, Ihsanullah, Arshad Iqbal. If we're playing 4 fast bowlers, it's the first 4 in my list and if you play 3, it's the first 3 with Ihsanullah as backup for Rauf and Arshad Iqbal as back-up for the other two. ODIs should be treated more like tests than T20s in terms of bowling. About time we added backup bowlers who carry some threat, not some short slingas and erratic trundlers.

As for fast bowling all rounder, the only promising option is Abbas Afridi. Some work needs to be done on his batting but he has the basics.
 
on this subject, whatever happened to usman shinwari? just seemed to be cast aside all of a sudden a while back
 
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