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"People were waiting for us to fail" : Jonny Bairstow

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Jonny Bairstow has accused England’s critics of wanting the team to fail as they approach Sunday’s must-win World Cup match against India at Edgbaston, saying: “It’s a typical English thing to do, in every sport.”

The opener was responding to comments made by the former England captains Kevin Pietersen and Michael Vaughan after Tuesday’s 64-run defeat by Australia at Lord’s, which leaves the pre-tournament favourites needing to win their final two group matches, the second of which is against New Zealand, to guarantee qualification for the semi-finals. Anything less and Eoin Morgan’s team will need other results to go their way.

Pietersen had taken to Twitter to accuse Morgan of looking “scared” when facing Australia’s quick bowler Mitchell Starc while Vaughan told BBC radio on Wednesday: “This is looking like turmoil for England. I’ve been involved in a couple of atrocious World Cups. If they’re not careful, this could turn out to be top of the tree.”

Asked whether Pietersen’s tweet had annoyed him, Bairstow responded: “I’ve not even seen it, to be quite honest. I was on the radio this morning; I was surprised with a clip of Vaughan’s comments at 8.30am. Bloody hell. That’s pretty rich.

“People now are paid to have an opinion, so they’ve got to have an opinion. Because we’ve done so well, any opportunity for someone to see we’ve lost two games, they were always going to jump on it. People were waiting for us to fail. They are not willing us on to win, in many ways they are waiting for you to get that loss, so they can jump on your throat. It’s a typical English thing to do, in every sport.”

Bairstow revealed he had been sledged by a London taxi driver after the defeat by Australia. “I chuckled,” he admitted. “Of course people are going to say things. Of course they are. Everyone’s saying like [it’s] as if we’re eighth or ninth in the table. Bloody Nora: chill out guys. You’re panicking.”

Speaking after a visit to a Chance to Shine school as part of Yorkshire Tea National Cricket Week, Bairstow also took aim at the pitches which some groundsmen have produced at this World Cup.

There have been few of the flat, high-scoring, bat-friendly tracks England have enjoyed at home in recent years, with the home side failing to chase down modest targets on challenging surfaces against Sri Lanka and Australia.

“The pitches that we’ve been playing on the last two years are surely the pitches we [should] be playing on in a World Cup,” he said, “so I don’t know why they’ve changed.

“That wasn’t a typical Oval wicket we played South Africa on in the opening game. It wasn’t a typical Trent Bridge wicket we played Pakistan on. It wasn’t a typical Lord’s wicket that we played the other day. They’re not the typical wickets we’ve been playing on over two and a bit years. That’s just factual. But I’m not making excuses, we’ve not played well enough to beat sides when we should have done. We know that.”

Whatever conditions England face at Edgbaston on Sunday, they will not change the aggressive approach that took them to No 1 in the world – even though it has offered critics more ammunition in the past week.

“Our method doesn’t change,” said Bairstow. “Because of the way we go about it and the way we play, it doesn’t make a difference what’s been said here, what’s been said there. This group has been together for near-on three years now, if not longer. So just because we’ve lost two games in a crunch tournament and people start talking, it’s not going to change the way we go about it.”

Bairstow’s opening partner is one thing that could change on Sunday, however, should Jason Roy recover from a hamstring tear to take over from James Vince. The Yorkshireman said he and Roy have learned how their strengths complement each other’s.

“Because we’ve done it for a little while now there’s a relaxed confidence, if that makes sense,” Bairstow said. “I’ve batted with him and known him for quite a while so if he’s up or too much [up] then you can say: ‘Oi, come on’ or vice versa.

“It’s just having that understanding and you can only get that by spending time in the middle, so if he’s not fit then Vincey and I go out again and try to put on as many as we can.”

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2...l-world-cup-johnny-bairstow-pietersen-vaughan
 
Hilarious to see arrogant face Bairstow making excuses of not getting 'typical' pitches for their losses. Not only flat track bullies but sore too. :afridi
 
He seriously expects ICC to create pitches according to the pitches they have been playing on?
 
Well if eng get pitch similar to nz vs sa or pak vs nz then they are in trouble.

Kohli will want to win every game..
 
Man up and win the games thats the way to shut them up.

Once you are down very difficult to lift yourself up. Just ask SA....

Absolutely. He speaks as if former cricketers and fans should not criticize his team irrespective of their performance. Some of the England cricketers are just an entitled bunch.
 
Look that's just the way it is in England. People are as quick to tear you down as they are talking you up.

The best way to respond is with results.
 
Man up Johnny, it would be better if your bat talks more rather than you. Average of 35 in the biggest tournament of your career till now is not exactly worth.
 
His comment epitomizes England cricket team. Richly talented but as brittle as snowflake. Slightest of pressure and they are crumbling already, wrong sense of entitlment of how ICC should've prepared the pitches for them.

Whatever happens on sunday, this team can never lift the cup until they improve their attitude. Learn something from the Aussies
 
:))) this is why it’s very difficult to sport England. Always moaning when things don’t go their way.
 
“The pitches that we’ve been playing on the last two years are surely the pitches we [should] be playing on in a World Cup,” he said, “so I don’t know why they’ve changed.

“That wasn’t a typical Oval wicket we played South Africa on in the opening game. It wasn’t a typical Trent Bridge wicket we played Pakistan on. It wasn’t a typical Lord’s wicket that we played the other day. They’re not the typical wickets we’ve been playing on over two and a bit years.

Hmm, is that really some international cricketer talking?

[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION], is this the team you support?

They think they deserve to only play on cemented runways. Anything else, they'd complain and blame the failure on?

Come on.

Batsmen always felt proud on being able to bat in a variety of conditions. This is a first.

Any batsman of any other team would feel embarrassed and ashamed if they admit that they only want to play on highways, and any other condition doesn't suit them.
 
Lol I don't even annoyed by these comments. They are losing fair and square. Let them cry. Bairstow isnt very well liked and it's easy to see why. I like him as a player but as a person he doesn't come across as someone easy to get along with.
 
Ugh, this is embarrassing. Bairstow needs to realise that if the likes of Morgan and Root are going to talk about England as the "no.1 side in the world" then you have to adapt to any pitch. He's basically admitting to being a flat track bully, it's unbelievable how entitled he sounds. Most other England fans are fuming and rightly so, these lots are brainless. They go for the big shots and when faced with difficult pitches, throw their wicket away. Then justify it to the fans like the fans are stupid by saying "attacking shots are our brand, we will continue to play this way". No Morgan, mistiming a slog to midwicket in a chase on a green top isn't "representing the attacking brand". Rant over.
 
He basically wants flat pitches.. he has come out and said it..

Pitches haven't even been bad. They've been sporting. Runs can and have been scored if you apply your skills.

Seems like Eng only wants highways where you're able to blindly swing the bat and the ball will go at least somewhere.
 
I'm not sure how this narrative of "waiting for us to fail" applies to Vaughan and Pietersen to be honest. These guys have been very vocal in their support for England, just scroll down KP's twitter and it's filled with confidence and support of this England team. After the Sri Lanka defeat, Vaughan tweeted that he still thought England would win the WC. Then, they lose a crucial game vs Aus with a very mediocre batting performance (barring Stokes) and Pietersen posts frankly quite a valid criticisim of Morgan's batting, and suddenly "they're not willing us on to win" and "people are waiting for us to fail". These comments by Bairstow really baffle me.
 
As much as i have liked this England team over the years and they have certainly been the best ODI side pre tournament, I have often mentioned their arrogant and at times childish behaviour. Bairstow dressing like Floyd Mayweather and acting like a brat, Morgan not giving credit where credits due, Stokes street thuggery...none of this has ever been addressed by management. This has ledt to a side which likes to bully but the moment it is pushed back, it knows nothing other than complain.

They need to grow up.
 
Losing three matches proves England are not the best team in the world as they seem to insist. No one is waiting on anything Johnny when you have already lost three times! No point in gettin' the 'ump! If you laugh the world laughs with you but if you cry the world laughs even more:vk2
 
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I know proper Yorkshiremen, and they are as tough as nail, but this guy is an insult to Yorkshire! I am waiting for Boycott's response to this feeble excuse of an opener.
 
This article also proves that England are FTBs.

The series between Pakistan before the WC was false hope it seems!
 
Poor attitude. If you want to win the WC, you have to be the best in a range of different conditions and pitches. The great teams adapt to challenges, but this England team instead of relishing the challenge are complaining.
 
Easily the most detestable cricketer around these days. There's a lot of competition but Bairstow works really hard to come out on top of the most annoyingly loathsome stakes. Such an entitled, spoiled egoist. No wonder England buckle under pressure when they have been cultivating characters such as him over the past 4 years.
 
lol these guys are such snowflakes. English cricketers are not even scrutinized as such. Its not like they play football for England. I wonder how would these guys cope up with criticism if they were Ind/Pak cricketer. If i recall correctly, Marcus Trescothik retired because of stress issues. Graeme Swann, Trott retired in- between Ashes. English cricketers are mentally not trained to deal with stress.
P.S. I am not trying to demean them, i myself run away from demanding stressful jobs. Its allright, everything is not for everyone.
 
Oh no.. Is it the pitches again, Bairstow? So sorry bro, this is totally unfair!! Every pitch should be flat and 370 plus should be the average score, only then cricket will survive! You and Morgan are totally misunderstood.
 
lol I literally had to google this guy to see what he looks like and what position he plays, must be a benchwarmer :))
 
Fact is English bowling suck big time. Hence they need absolute roads to score. Too bad you need something more then pitch conditions to win in ICC tournaments, that X factor is missing.
 
This is the ultimate childish attitude from a team that wants to win the world cup for the time. Australia has reached final in even more alien conditions and won once. Won in 1987. Reached final in 1996. Won in 2007. At no point they were whining about pitches. Because they had all the bases covered.
 
I gotta say, I've enjoyed the pitches in this WC. Some high scoring matches but nothing too crazy and I think that's great.

There's a good even contest between bat/ball and there's enough on most pitches for pacers and spinners.

I'm glad it's not completely flat pitches where even the likes of Pakistan can score 370, to be honest.

The reason I think England have done poorly is because they haven't respected their opponent in Pakistan and Sri Lanka in thinking they were easy wins. And it seems like this team kinda falls apart if Root has a poor game.
 
This article also proves that England are FTBs.

The series between Pakistan before the WC was false hope it seems!

That morale-boosting series for England where they played on roads is one of the major reason why they look clueless in the world cup.
 
Poms are likely to get a patta this sunday against India, for their must win encounter.

Bairstow to score a double century, and shut everyone up. :jimmy
 
Poms are likely to get a patta this sunday against India, for their must win encounter.

Bairstow to score a double century, and shut everyone up. :jimmy

Edgbaston has some characteristics. I know it is a fresh pitch. But it will still be dry and it might help spinners as it wear on. If India bats first and they put up a 300 score it will be harder to chase. England's best hope is knocking Kohli and Rohit out early and run through the middle order. "Running through a side" something that England hasn't done in recent times.
 
He basically wants flat pitches.. he has come out and said it..

Whether such a sentiment would be in spirit of game or not is another debate, but Eng has lost games on all sorts of batting surfaces in this World Cup. Pak beat them on a flat track, Aus also on quite a decent batting surface, and the loss against SL wasn't on a batting minefield either. I can understand his comment if Eng had played on the type of surface that Pak-Nzl game was on, but that's not the case at all.
 
Lol so they have started the pitch excuse.Bairstow wants same pitches they have playing for last 2 years.Maybe they thought WC will just fall in their lap.This is where I love Aussies.They will never make such pathetic excuses.
 
Lol they're feeling the pressure. They invested so much in their white ball cricket that if they get knocked out on Sunday it's going to hurt these players. Might end up losing the ashes as well after this.
 
Edgbaston has some characteristics. I know it is a fresh pitch. But it will still be dry and it might help spinners as it wear on. If India bats first and they put up a 300 score it will be harder to chase. England's best hope is knocking Kohli and Rohit out early and run through the middle order. "Running through a side" something that England hasn't done in recent times.

And that is bcoz their bowling department is pretty average compared to the other teams in the tournament . Looks like England concentrated in building a team of batsmen who look good on a flat wicket trying to reach the yet-elusive 500, that they forgot they had to put in some great bowlers too in the mix. Apart from Archer in bits & pieces nobody has managed to put much pressure on any half-decent teams.
 
Lol they're feeling the pressure. They invested so much in their white ball cricket that if they get knocked out on Sunday it's going to hurt these players. Might end up losing the ashes as well after this.

Even if they lose to India, they can still beat NZ and come to 10 points. Then they have to hope Pakistan drops atleast one of their last two matches.
 
Even if they lose to India, they can still beat NZ and come to 10 points. Then they have to hope Pakistan drops atleast one of their last two matches.

Yeah I know that and I would have backed BD to beat Pakistan but with Haris and Shaheen back in form , this team now looks solid. I think Pakistan can easily beat Afghans and BD as well unless they screw it up big time. If England lose on Sunday, I think Pakistan will certainly make it . T
 
Edgbaston has some characteristics. I know it is a fresh pitch. But it will still be dry and it might help spinners as it wear on. If India bats first and they put up a 300 score it will be harder to chase. England's best hope is knocking Kohli and Rohit out early and run through the middle order. "Running through a side" something that England hasn't done in recent times.
If Rohit gets going on Sunday, expect 300+ score, if India bats first.
 
I believe this mentality is what triggers the breakdown of many English players. The feel of entitled, the feel they are invincible. But once the downward spiral starts (which WILL happen to anyone and everyone at different point of life), they find it hard to grasp the reality and the breakdown starts. Every criticism from the fans, media, peers will be seen as insult to the injury. Mental depression won't be uncommon in such a scenario.

Compare this to desi players. They are abused right and left. No wonder desi players are tougher in terms of mental aspect because the constant abused that they go through in the system.
 
Even if they lose to India, they can still beat NZ and come to 10 points. Then they have to hope Pakistan drops atleast one of their last two matches.

Kind of cricket Pak played these last few days I don't think they are losing to Afg or BD.
 
Hmm, is that really some international cricketer talking?

[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION], is this the team you support?

They think they deserve to only play on cemented runways. Anything else, they'd complain and blame the failure on?

Come on.

Batsmen always felt proud on being able to bat in a variety of conditions. This is a first.

Any batsman of any other team would feel embarrassed and ashamed if they admit that they only want to play on highways, and any other condition doesn't suit them.

Bairstow is a whiny character. He is not well-liked even in the English dressing room especially for his refusal to give up the gloves for the betterment of their Test team. However, he is not way off the mark when it comes to his assessment of the pitches. The last two World Cups were won by the home teams who got to play on their regular, home wickets.

India were the favourites for the 2011 World Cup because they were the best team on subcontinent wickets. They got the type of pitches that they wanted and went all the way. Even Pakistan and Sri Lanka made big impacts in the tournament because of the favourable pitches. Had India faced Australia (the #1 ranked team at that point) in the QF in Ahmedabad on a fast, bouncy wicket instead of a typical Ahmedabad wicket, Australia may have won.

Similarly, in 2015, both Australia and New Zealand reached the final without losing a game because they had played all their matches on typical Australian and New Zealand wickets, and both teams lost when they played in each other's grounds respectively.

Had India faced Australia in the SF on a slow pitch where Johnson wouldn't have been able to bounce Kohli out, the result might have been different. If the final was in Auckland instead of Melbourne, New Zealand would have put up a much bigger fight than they did at the MCG.

There is no doubt that England should have played better cricket. There was no excuse for the defeat to Pakistan because it was a 350 wicket and they were playing their full-strength team, but the losses to Sri Lanka on a very sluggish wicket and the 280-300 pitch at Lord's, coupled with injury to their main opener has threatened to derail their campaign. England's home advantage has been negated in this World Cup which wasn't the case for India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Australia and New Zealand in the previous two editions.
 
Bairstow is a whiny character. He is not well-liked even in the English dressing room especially for his refusal to give up the gloves for the betterment of their Test team. However, he is not way off the mark when it comes to his assessment of the pitches. The last two World Cups were won by the home teams who got to play on their regular, home wickets.

India were the favourites for the 2011 World Cup because they were the best team on subcontinent wickets. They got the type of pitches that they wanted and went all the way. Even Pakistan and Sri Lanka made big impacts in the tournament because of the favourable pitches. Had India faced Australia (the #1 ranked team at that point) in the QF in Ahmedabad on a fast, bouncy wicket instead of a typical Ahmedabad wicket, Australia may have won.

Similarly, in 2015, both Australia and New Zealand reached the final without losing a game because they had played all their matches on typical Australian and New Zealand wickets, and both teams lost when they played in each other's grounds respectively.

Had India faced Australia in the SF on a slow pitch where Johnson wouldn't have been able to bounce Kohli out, the result might have been different. If the final was in Auckland instead of Melbourne, New Zealand would have put up a much bigger fight than they did at the MCG.

There is no doubt that England should have played better cricket. There was no excuse for the defeat to Pakistan because it was a 350 wicket and they were playing their full-strength team, but the losses to Sri Lanka on a very sluggish wicket and the 280-300 pitch at Lord's, coupled with injury to their main opener has threatened to derail their campaign. England's home advantage has been negated in this World Cup which wasn't the case for India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Australia and New Zealand in the previous two editions.

How will you explain Australia's performance so far then...Admit it Eng new ball bowlers have been poor.Last match they were showing difference between the two teams with Aussies not afraid to pitch it up.Last WC the home advantage was not that big for Aussies.India had been there for 4 months and got used to conditions.Also most pitches were flat.Its just that the team was so good.They took the match so close which they played against Nz away.Its just poor from England.I can understand losing to Australia or Pak but losing to SRL is inexcusable.Their shot selection has been poor and they been a bit like WI with less emphasis on Strike Rotation.I find all this nonsense when so called minnows are doing so well.
 
Bairstow is a whiny character. He is not well-liked even in the English dressing room especially for his refusal to give up the gloves for the betterment of their Test team. However, he is not way off the mark when it comes to his assessment of the pitches. The last two World Cups were won by the home teams who got to play on their regular, home wickets.

India were the favourites for the 2011 World Cup because they were the best team on subcontinent wickets. They got the type of pitches that they wanted and went all the way. Even Pakistan and Sri Lanka made big impacts in the tournament because of the favourable pitches. Had India faced Australia (the #1 ranked team at that point) in the QF in Ahmedabad on a fast, bouncy wicket instead of a typical Ahmedabad wicket, Australia may have won.

Similarly, in 2015, both Australia and New Zealand reached the final without losing a game because they had played all their matches on typical Australian and New Zealand wickets, and both teams lost when they played in each other's grounds respectively.

Had India faced Australia in the SF on a slow pitch where Johnson wouldn't have been able to bounce Kohli out, the result might have been different. If the final was in Auckland instead of Melbourne, New Zealand would have put up a much bigger fight than they did at the MCG.

There is no doubt that England should have played better cricket. There was no excuse for the defeat to Pakistan because it was a 350 wicket and they were playing their full-strength team, but the losses to Sri Lanka on a very sluggish wicket and the 280-300 pitch at Lord's, coupled with injury to their main opener has threatened to derail their campaign. England's home advantage has been negated in this World Cup which wasn't the case for India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Australia and New Zealand in the previous two editions.

Are you serious? Sluggish or not, they should have beaten Sri Lanka as they were chasing only 232.
 
“The pitches that we’ve been playing on the last two years are surely the pitches we [should] be playing on in a World Cup,” he said, “so I don’t know why they’ve changed.

“That wasn’t a typical Oval wicket we played South Africa on in the opening game. It wasn’t a typical Trent Bridge wicket we played Pakistan on. It wasn’t a typical Lord’s wicket that we played the other day. They’re not the typical wickets we’ve been playing on over two and a bit years. That’s just factual. But I’m not making excuses, we’ve not played well enough to beat sides when we should have done. We know that.”

Haha sounds like excuses to me Jonny. What a baby. If you're the number 1 ranked side in the world, you should be able to compete in all conditions, not just flat 350+ pitches.
 
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All I hear is whining and whingeing. They look mentally finished already. I mean seriously? All that puffed up ranking fervour is now history. You cant make flat pitches t home, puff up your rankings then fail on pitches that do a little bit..that is a fake team not a real team. The aussies and India are winning on these same pitches..why? Why arent England? because they have gambled and have now come short..that bowling performance against us and their batting against sri lanka was beyond pathetic.

I just feel they hype themselves up to the hilt then when they feel the pressure they crumble..they lack real mental strength. i just cant see them winning this cup. Kohli will eat this team alive. I just see more resiliance in other sides..
 
How will you explain Australia's performance so far then...Admit it Eng new ball bowlers have been poor.Last match they were showing difference between the two teams with Aussies not afraid to pitch it up.Last WC the home advantage was not that big for Aussies.India had been there for 4 months and got used to conditions.Also most pitches were flat.Its just that the team was so good.They took the match so close which they played against Nz away.Its just poor from England.I can understand losing to Australia or Pak but losing to SRL is inexcusable.Their shot selection has been poor and they been a bit like WI with less emphasis on Strike Rotation.I find all this nonsense when so called minnows are doing so well.

Australia have not uprooted any trees either. They were spanked by India, got away against West Indies thanks to a fluke innings by Coulter-Nile, and they gave Pakistan the match on a platter but we were too pathetic to capitalise. Yes they comprehensively beat England, but England were without Roy and as I have said, they haven't played as well as they should have. Australia have had a very good campaign so far, but they have had the rub of the green as well. They have had more luck in this tournament than any campaign since 1999.

There is no denying that England have been below par. Yes they don't have Roy and it is a big blow because he sets the tone for them, but the likes of Bairstow, Morgan and Buttler have not been at their best either. Only Root and Stokes have performed to their usual standards. Moeen has been absolutely awful so far.

Also, England have been quite unlucky too. Bairstow's LBW against Sri Lanka was a farcical decision and 9/10, umpires would not give that out. These small margins make a difference too, and when you play below par and are also unlucky, it is becomes very difficult for you and that is what has happened with England so far. England need to perform to their best abilities in the last two matches and also hope that they get a bit of luck as well, which has completely deserted them so far.

This England team, or the Australian team in 2015 or the Indian team in 2011 are not like the Australia of 2000s who can adjust to any conditions. 2011 India wouldn't have won the World Cup in Australia or England and the 2015 Australia wouldn't have won in the subcontinent.
 
Are you serious? Sluggish or not, they should have beaten Sri Lanka as they were chasing only 232.


Bairstow was wronged by the umpire and Root was caught because he somehow managed to lightly nick a regulation wide outside the leg stump. 99/100 times, any batsman let alone Root would not nick that one. It was the luckiest/unluckiest dismissal of the tournament. Ultimately, England lost by only 20 runs and these small margins make a huge difference in the end.

England have been poor so far but they have also been unlucky (in terms of injuries and events) and their home advantage has been negated. However, this isn't the time to whine because they need to regroup, play their best cricket and hope they get some luck as well which has completely deserted them so far. Every team needs some luck to win a tournament, even the ones who appear to be unbeatable.
 
Bairstow was wronged by the umpire and Root was caught because he somehow managed to lightly nick a regulation wide outside the leg stump. 99/100 times, any batsman let alone Root would not nick that one. It was the luckiest/unluckiest dismissal of the tournament. Ultimately, England lost by only 20 runs and these small margins make a huge difference in the end.

England have been poor so far but they have also been unlucky (in terms of injuries and events) and their home advantage has been negated. However, this isn't the time to whine because they need to regroup, play their best cricket and hope they get some luck as well which has completely deserted them so far. Every team needs some luck to win a tournament, even the ones who appear to be unbeatable.

Making excuses for big 3 teams. ICC spokesperson
 
Bairstow was wronged by the umpire and Root was caught because he somehow managed to lightly nick a regulation wide outside the leg stump. 99/100 times, any batsman let alone Root would not nick that one. It was the luckiest/unluckiest dismissal of the tournament. Ultimately, England lost by only 20 runs and these small margins make a huge difference in the end.

England have been poor so far but they have also been unlucky (in terms of injuries and events) and their home advantage has been negated. However, this isn't the time to whine because they need to regroup, play their best cricket and hope they get some luck as well which has completely deserted them so far. Every team needs some luck to win a tournament, even the ones who appear to be unbeatable.

Stokes was lucky to be dropped else the margin would have been bigger. Works both ways, innit?
 
Stokes was lucky to be dropped else the margin would have been bigger. Works both ways, innit?

Which was negated by Hafeez having a sitter dropped after which he went on to play the innings of his life. The poor decisions against England so far need to be negated somehow in the remaining two matches.

I think England deserves some luck too. They revamped their entire ODI squad after the 2015 World Cup and have worked hard for this moment. To see it all fall apart in a heap because of various reasons is quite disappointing, but cricket can be a very cruel game.
 
Bairstow was wronged by the umpire and Root was caught because he somehow managed to lightly nick a regulation wide outside the leg stump. 99/100 times, any batsman let alone Root would not nick that one. It was the luckiest/unluckiest dismissal of the tournament. Ultimately, England lost by only 20 runs and these small margins make a huge difference in the end.

England have been poor so far but they have also been unlucky (in terms of injuries and events) and their home advantage has been negated. However, this isn't the time to whine because they need to regroup, play their best cricket and hope they get some luck as well which has completely deserted them so far. Every team needs some luck to win a tournament, even the ones who appear to be unbeatable.

Totally agree! but PPers will call it a fluke if England wins this tournament with some luck involved ;-)
 
The pitches are different but they were always going to be. They’re controlled by the ICC for a World Cup so requesting pitches that give some help to bowlers was always going to happen. England would have known that, so there’s no point in whinging about it. Fact is, they’ve batted badly, particularly against Sri Lanka which was a disgraceful performance. They need to show some spirit and perform on Sunday otherwise they’re out and so to is the nonsense behind rankings!
 
This England team, or the Australian team in 2015 or the Indian team in 2011 are not like the Australia of 2000s who can adjust to any conditions. 2011 India wouldn't have won the World Cup in Australia or England and the 2015 Australia wouldn't have won in the subcontinent.

No team is guaranteed a win anywhere but Australian team 2015 had quite a good record in Asia around that time and given their ability to perform in big matches they would have had a good to excellent chance in Asia looking at their record.
 
Australia have not uprooted any trees either. They were spanked by India, got away against West Indies thanks to a fluke innings by Coulter-Nile, and they gave Pakistan the match on a platter but we were too pathetic to capitalise. Yes they comprehensively beat England, but England were without Roy and as I have said, they haven't played as well as they should have. Australia have had a very good campaign so far, but they have had the rub of the green as well. They have had more luck in this tournament than any campaign since 1999.

There is no denying that England have been below par. Yes they don't have Roy and it is a big blow because he sets the tone for them, but the likes of Bairstow, Morgan and Buttler have not been at their best either. Only Root and Stokes have performed to their usual standards. Moeen has been absolutely awful so far.

Also, England have been quite unlucky too. Bairstow's LBW against Sri Lanka was a farcical decision and 9/10, umpires would not give that out. These small margins make a difference too, and when you play below par and are also unlucky, it is becomes very difficult for you and that is what has happened with England so far. England need to perform to their best abilities in the last two matches and also hope that they get a bit of luck as well, which has completely deserted them so far.

This England team, or the Australian team in 2015 or the Indian team in 2011 are not like the Australia of 2000s who can adjust to any conditions. 2011 India wouldn't have won the World Cup in Australia or England and the 2015 Australia wouldn't have won in the subcontinent.

Yes they havent set the world on fire but which team has.Even India struggled against Afghans.This is the WC.Teams are going to come hard at Eng than than the bilaterals.A glimpse of this was trying to open bowling with a leg spinner against Roy.In bilaterals teams may not do this but in WC every weakness is put out in the open.You need to adjust not whine.If they want each game to be high scoring its not going to happen.Against Pakistan they got intimidated by Pak fans and lost the plot.Tell me how a team is supposed to win WC with this attitude.As far as bad luck is concerned you will have ups and down through this tournament.This round robin format was supposed to aid them as they been one of the best teams.I remember you mentioning we fluked CT due to tight format but now you are making excuses for Eng when honestly there are none.Its all about tweaking and playing sensibly.
 
i am seriously surprised to see how england had gone in this WC... i never thought they would struggle ... but again their performance has been sub-standered.. i think they got over confident and that comes from likes of bairstow and morgan... dont think they have played with their commitment ... they took things too easy and they have paid dearly .. also fail to understand why woakes is prefered over plunket.. plunket has been one of the driving force for them in overs 10-40 .. he should def come in.. i
 
Frankly speaking I am surprised England's #1 fan has not blamed two English players of Pakistani descent for their failings.

England are just not tournament material. England fluked it to the WorldT20 win thanks to KP, and collapsed in the CT13 final, destroyed by 4 6s in a World T20 final, 3 times runners up in World Cups.

The only bad luck England have are the glory supporters who support England just because of false rankings. When glory fans call Jofra world class after 3 games, you know where the problem lies.

False rankings, false flag, false hope.
 
Bairstow has often come across as chippy. It’s surprising as Yorkshireman are usually tough durable types like Hutton, Trueman, Boycott and indeed more recently Root.

A better response to criticism would be a century against India.
 
Bairstow has often come across as chippy. It’s surprising as Yorkshireman are usually tough durable types like Hutton, Trueman, Boycott and indeed more recently Root.

A better response to criticism would be a century against India.

Boycott tough and durable, the man is a coward.
 
Frankly speaking I am surprised England's #1 fan has not blamed two English players of Pakistani descent for their failings.

England are just not tournament material. England fluked it to the WorldT20 win thanks to KP, and collapsed in the CT13 final, destroyed by 4 6s in a World T20 final, 3 times runners up in World Cups.

The only bad luck England have are the glory supporters who support England just because of false rankings. When glory fans call Jofra world class after 3 games, you know where the problem lies.

False rankings, false flag, false hope.

Oh but Jofra has dominated all these mickey mouse leagues around the world :)))
 
Frankly speaking I am surprised England's #1 fan has not blamed two English players of Pakistani descent for their failings.

England are just not tournament material. England fluked it to the WorldT20 win thanks to KP, and collapsed in the CT13 final, destroyed by 4 6s in a World T20 final, 3 times runners up in World Cups.

The only bad luck England have are the glory supporters who support England just because of false rankings. When glory fans call Jofra world class after 3 games, you know where the problem lies.

False rankings, false flag, false hope.
Why are the rankings false ?
 
I believe this mentality is what triggers the breakdown of many English players. The feel of entitled, the feel they are invincible. But once the downward spiral starts (which WILL happen to anyone and everyone at different point of life), they find it hard to grasp the reality and the breakdown starts. Every criticism from the fans, media, peers will be seen as insult to the injury. Mental depression won't be uncommon in such a scenario.

Compare this to desi players. They are abused right and left. No wonder desi players are tougher in terms of mental aspect because the constant abused that they go through in the system.

More likely that

1. People in the West are more aware of mental illness and don’t have this desi concept of “mental strength / mental weakness”.

2. The British have the most individualistic culture on Earth, perhaps after the Americans, and don’t have strong extended family groups round them. So it is easier to fall prey to mental illness.
 
Boycott tough and durable, the man is a coward.


Don’t be daft, he got a hundred at age forty against Roberts-Holding-Garner-Croft in their back yard.

The archetypal Yorkshireman is a blunt obdurate type not given to complaint.
 
Oh but Jofra has dominated all these mickey mouse leagues around the world :)))

:))) Indeed! But but but, the IPL is better and bigger than the World Cup! :)))

The fact Jofra was included at the last minute just goes to show how average the England bowling lineup really was! 4 years in the making England end up with a lastminute.com entry.
 
Funny thing is they don't even have a South African to blame this time if they fail to reach semi final. :inti
 
:))) Indeed! But but but, the IPL is better and bigger than the World Cup! :)))

The fact Jofra was included at the last minute just goes to show how average the England bowling lineup really was! 4 years in the making England end up with a lastminute.com entry.

What are you saying? Jos Buttler learnt to play under pressure situations in IPL. I am sure he will score a century against India on sunday. :inti
 
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