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Morgan is an excellent captain but if you think England is great because of him, you don’t understand cricket.

Then you have not been following England cricket, let alone understand cricket. Vaughan, Hussain, and Atherton - to name a few - all credit Morgan for the transformation of the England ODI team. But you go right ahead and claim the aforementioned England CAPTAINS are wrong.


No captain can turn an average side into world beaters. There was a reason why England moved on from as many as 9 players after the last World Cup.

England transformed because they picked the right players, not because Morgan is captain.

That reason was Morgan. Picking the right players is a statement based on hindsight. Remember, a great leader, takes talents, and nurtures/develops said talent. Not only this a leader set an example. The result, the current England team.
 
Then you have not been following England cricket, let alone understand cricket. Vaughan, Hussain, and Atherton - to name a few - all credit Morgan for the transformation of the England ODI team. But you go right ahead and claim the aforementioned England CAPTAINS are wrong.

That reason was Morgan. Picking the right players is a statement based on hindsight. Remember, a great leader, takes talents, and nurtures/develops said talent. Not only this a leader set an example. The result, the current England team.

Morgan isn't the selector, nor did he find these players on trees. England were able to quickly transform their archaic ODI team after the 2015 World Cup because they already the players in the system. The likes of Roy, Bairstow, Hales (let's not understate his contribution in light of the recent events), Buttler, Stokes etc. were part of the system. If England did not have such players at their disposal, they wouldn't be in this position today. Yes having the intent and the mindset is very important, but they are useless if you don't have the right players.

It is very normal for Morgan to get credit from ex-English players and other quarters. When a team plays well, you praise the captain; when a team fails, you criticise the captain. It is standard procedure everywhere. However, every captain needs quality players to win. You make Root or Buttler the captain of this ODI team and nothing will change. Similarly, if England would have stuck with their 2015 World Cup squad, the captaincy of Morgan would not have taken that team anywhere, simply because they weren't good enough.

I will again give example of Ponting and Fleming. Fleming is widely regarded as an outstanding captain and better than Ponting, but it was Ponting who won two World Cups as captain because of players like McGrath, Gilchrist, Hayden, Lee and of course Ponting himself. Give Fleming these players and he would have won the World Cup too, so where does the impact of leadership come into play here?
 
Thoughts are with all of you in these tough times.

Learn to respect teams that work hard over the years and strive to achieve something, instead of waddling into the World Cup as a 6th ranked team hoping for miracles.

I don't need to be lectured by the likes of you. But since your an england supporter perhaps this is the wrong forum for you..
 
Morgan isn't the selector, nor did he find these players on trees. England were able to quickly transform their archaic ODI team after the 2015 World Cup because they already the players in the system. The likes of Roy, Bairstow, Hales (let's not understate his contribution in light of the recent events), Buttler, Stokes etc. were part of the system. If England did not have such players at their disposal, they wouldn't be in this position today. Yes having the intent and the mindset is very important, but they are useless if you don't have the right players.

It is very normal for Morgan to get credit from ex-English players and other quarters. When a team plays well, you praise the captain; when a team fails, you criticise the captain. It is standard procedure everywhere. However, every captain needs quality players to win. You make Root or Buttler the captain of this ODI team and nothing will change. Similarly, if England would have stuck with their 2015 World Cup squad, the captaincy of Morgan would not have taken that team anywhere, simply because they weren't good enough.

I will again give example of Ponting and Fleming. Fleming is widely regarded as an outstanding captain and better than Ponting, but it was Ponting who won two World Cups as captain because of players like McGrath, Gilchrist, Hayden, Lee and of course Ponting himself. Give Fleming these players and he would have won the World Cup too, so where does the impact of leadership come into play here?

They took a massive punt on Roy who has developed once he has entered the setup. rob key thought he was a basher and not a proper player at one point. He still doesnt look confortable against a ball that does something...Buttler was another one who improved immensely once he got into the team. prior to that he was also a punt. Stokes is a world class player and bairstow was hit and miss too..

Morgan and the coaching staff developed a philosophy that they have stuck to no matter what. Knowing full well that the cup will be played here.

And this is england's last best chance because after this year the ODI game will begin to be marginalised in the uk..
 
They took a massive punt on Roy who has developed once he has entered the setup. rob key thought he was a basher and not a proper player at one point. He still doesnt look confortable against a ball that does something...Buttler was another one who improved immensely once he got into the team. prior to that he was also a punt. Stokes is a world class player and bairstow was hit and miss too..

Morgan and the coaching staff developed a philosophy that they have stuck to no matter what. Knowing full well that the cup will be played here.

And this is england's last best chance because after this year the ODI game will begin to be marginalised in the uk..

Of course they weren't developed because the likes of Roy, Buttler, Stokes, Bairstow etc. were 22-23 at that time. They were highly talented but young players. They are now experienced and in their late 20s so they have the maturity to adjust to different situations. England were definitely lucky to a great extent because they already had such players in their system that they could back.
 
Guy has done amazing since this whole controversy. Would have looked stupid had he failed but he can walk the walk! Class player.
 
Morgan isn't the selector, nor did he find these players on trees. England were able to quickly transform their archaic ODI team after the 2015 World Cup because they already the players in the system. The likes of Roy, Bairstow, Hales (let's not understate his contribution in light of the recent events), Buttler, Stokes etc. were part of the system. If England did not have such players at their disposal, they wouldn't be in this position today. Yes having the intent and the mindset is very important, but they are useless if you don't have the right players.

Basically you are saying England's development in the past 4 years was a fluke because the ECB were lucky to have players like Butler, Roy, Stokes et al. This doesn't surprise me coming from you.


It is very normal for Morgan to get credit from ex-English players and other quarters. When a team plays well, you praise the captain; when a team fails, you criticise the captain. It is standard procedure everywhere. However, every captain needs quality players to win. You make Root or Buttler the captain of this ODI team and nothing will change. Similarly, if England would have stuck with their 2015 World Cup squad, the captaincy of Morgan would not have taken that team anywhere, simply because they weren't good enough.

The bold emphasis just proves my point, in the end, it is down to leadership and how a leader can nurture and develop talent. Morgan changed the mindset of the ODI England team in the past 4 years. His approach, influence, and leadership through performance, has made sure of this.

I will again give example of Ponting and Fleming. Fleming is widely regarded as an outstanding captain and better than Ponting, but it was Ponting who won two World Cups as captain because of players like McGrath, Gilchrist, Hayden, Lee and of course Ponting himself. Give Fleming these players and he would have won the World Cup too, so where does the impact of leadership come into play here?

You can give the examples as many times as you want, but your examples are irrelevant. For one, Ponting inherited a mindset from the likes of Steve Waugh's team, who is attributed for changing the Aussie team mentality in the 90s.

Once again, no one is saying player talent does not matter, but leadership is the most important aspect of developing a team and your hindsight 20/20 vision of player talent will never change this fact.
 
Of course they weren't developed because the likes of Roy, Buttler, Stokes, Bairstow etc. were 22-23 at that time. They were highly talented but young players. They are now experienced and in their late 20s so they have the maturity to adjust to different situations. England were definitely lucky to a great extent because they already had such players in their system that they could back.

A major factor in developing talent is the ability to nurture talent which comes through leadership. You conveniently miss this point, but hey, today you follow England, tomorrow you will be following another Rank #1 team.
 
Eoin Morgan moulded winning England side out of own aggression

Make no mistake, this is Morgan’s team. He and Strauss agreed upon the changes in personnel, approach (with aggression and fearlessness as its heart) and coach (with Trevor Bayliss, the Australian with white-ball success behind him, later appointed), but Morgan has undoubtedly been the man at the helm to take this side to the point where a first global 50-over trophy is within touching distance.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/...-england-side-out-of-own-aggression-c0thdml30

From The Times, who know a lot more about cricket than some glory supporter fan who argues for the sake of it.
 
All talking done - now show the people what you can do and win the Final
 
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