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People who wrote off Imam-ul-Haq before even giving him a chance, please show up for some humble pie

Are there any humble pies for people who were hyping a 36 averaging batsman after one knock?
 
Hamza_ said:
Nothing player.
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That's not true... he could turn out to be a good batsman, but for that to happen he needs to learn to rake up the runs in domestics first. If you average 36 in domestics you cannot average more than than in international. It has never happened before.
 
Relax guys!

Not everyone can be a Babar Azam and score back to back centuries.
 
Syed1 said:
That's not true... he could turn out to be a good batsman, but for that to happen he needs to learn to rake up the runs in domestics first. If you average 36 in domestics you cannot average more than than in international. It has never happened before.
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Azhar Ali and Kumar Sangakarra say hello
 
[MENTION=138254]Syed1[/MENTION] He is loose, pokes alot and does tuk tuk as indicated by List A SR.

Its unfortunate that deserving guys are not even given proper chance in domestics.

Sahibzada should have been selected.
 
Hamza_ said:
[MENTION=138254]Syed1[/MENTION] He is loose, pokes alot and does tuk tuk as indicated by List A SR.

Its unfortunate that deserving guys are not even given proper chance in domestics.

Sahibzada should have been selected.
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9 List A matches = Deserving?
 
He is of same age as Imam. Should have played same List A matches by now as Imam. Dont you think?
 
Syed1 said:
That's not true... he could turn out to be a good batsman, but for that to happen he needs to learn to rake up the runs in domestics first. If you average 36 in domestics you cannot average more than than in international. It has never happened before.
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off course you can- with young players it is about growth potential. Go and look at Joe Roots list a record before he started playing for End
 
There will be batsmen who do better at international level than FC but 90% or more won't it's a rare thing.
Also starting of young playing peak tears at International level helps but it's uncommon.
 
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MenInG said:
based on experience of your own illustrious career maybe? Guy scored an ODI hundred.
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We have seen many players who have made a instant impact and have gone downhill. Let's not forget how Umar Akmal or Sohaib Maqsood started their careers. But were are they now?

The point is, players have scored 100 on their debut before, within 10 games of their career, yet have not established themselves.

Imam had a very good debut, a dream. But, he simply does not have the technique to establish himself as a reliable cricketer at the moment. He is young and needs to work on a lot of things. I can already guarantee you that he is not one opener you can rely on when it comes to chasing a huge target in a big cup game against a top side.

We have seen far many cases of debutants making a good instant impact but going down hill; enough is enough. But again, I will hold my full judgment on Imam after a few series; but I've assessed him (based domestics too) and he is not the complete article yet. But let's not either go on about his 100 as a justification for his upcoming performances ie how you did.
 
Syed1 said:
Are there any humble pies for people who were hyping a 36 averaging batsman after one knock?
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No, because his previous innings put all doubts about his selection to rest. He most definitely deserved to be selected for this series.

His List 'A' average matters little when he averages 50+ in ODIs.
 
Bilal7 said:
No, because his previous innings put all doubts about his selection to rest. He most definitely deserved to be selected for this series.

His List 'A' average matters little when he averages 50+ in ODIs.
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Hahahahah 50+ average after 2 ODIs.


So on the back of that one century he can play for the next 15 matches just because he is your favourites nephew.
 
Syed1 said:
9 List A matches average of 42 = not deserving

23 List A matches average of 36 (excluded 2 ODIs) = deserving


nope no bias at all :13:
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U19s?

U23s?

He has an extensive history past List A cricket.
 
kingusama92 said:
U19s?

U23s?

He has an extensive history past List A cricket.
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That's lame argument because Sami Aslam is the second most prolific batsman in u19 history and Ahmed Shehzad is 7th on that list. :))

You don't take age group cricket that seriously, it is just to identify talent.
 
Imam is 15th on the all-time u19 run charts while Kohli is 23rd. Both played similar number of matches.


So as per some Imam >>> Kohli


:)))
 
Syed1 said:
That's lame argument because Sami Aslam is the second most prolific batsman in u19 history and Ahmed Shehzad is 7th on that list. :))

You don't take age group cricket that seriously, it is just to identify talent.
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Exactly.

His talent has been identified.

The same cannot be said for Sahibzada Farhan.
 
kingusama92 said:
Exactly.

His talent has been identified.

The same cannot be said for Sahibzada Farhan.
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I'm not even advocating for Farhan's selection because he is a limited batsman with bad footwork, just pointing out bias, inconsistency and outright nepotism - but it's all ok since the chief selector is our favourite. Yay.
 
Farhan is not a limited batsman. He is someone who can hook and cut, An ideal opening batsman.

Attacking against both pace and spin. Should have been in the team instead of this guy.
 
Syed1 said:
I'm not even advocating for Farhan's selection because he is a limited batsman with bad footwork, just pointing out bias, inconsistency and outright nepotism - but it's all ok since the chief selector is our favourite. Yay.
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Which opener did you prefer?
 
Hamza_ said:
Farhan is not a limited batsman. He is someone who can hook and cut, An ideal opening batsman.

Attacking against both pace and spin. Should have been in the team instead of this guy.
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Pakistan Cup pitches were hardly a good indicator of quality batsmanship.

Sami Aslam: 66.60 AVG (114 SR)
Sahibzada Farhan: 66.20 AVG (103 SR)
 
I'd normally let him peform for a few series before making a thread like this

Still

An excellent game
Making a 100 in his first game

See how he performs in the final game
 
Some fans really disappoint me. [MENTION=142670]mak36[/MENTION] just look how impatient people are. Babar Azam has set the wrong trend, now people will never be satisfied unless he scores a century every innings and the same seems to be the case for Imam now. Can't believe how selfish some people can be.
 
It was not a matter of Imam getting a call .... but getting a call "ahead" of Sami Aslam and Sahibzada Farhan.

People say that he did well in the QA trophy. But what this has to do with the LO matches?

Therefore, Inziman had no right to select his nephew in this format ahead of Sami Aslam and Sahibzada Farhan.

In fact, both Sami Aslam and Farhan are asking this question and supporters of Inziman could not reply them except for lame excuse of QA trophy, which even didn't matter for LO series.
 
ExpressPacer said:
Some fans really disappoint me. [MENTION=142670]mak36[/MENTION] just look how impatient people are. Babar Azam has set the wrong trend, now people will never be satisfied unless he scores a century every innings and the same seems to be the case for Imam now. Can't believe how selfish some people can be.
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How do you know that Sami Aslam and Farhan is going to "Disappoint" you in the ODIs that they have not been selected, despite having much better record for the LO format?

Why do you people then come up with this excuse that Imam will not "disappoint" and thus his selection was "fair" and on "merit"?

Do you people know what actually "Merit" means?

Merit does not mean "Not disappointing in future blah blah blah", but merit means who deserves the most, he should get the chance.
 
ExpressPacer said:
Some fans really disappoint me. [MENTION=142670]mak36[/MENTION] just look how impatient people are. Babar Azam has set the wrong trend, now people will never be satisfied unless he scores a century every innings and the same seems to be the case for Imam now. Can't believe how selfish some people can be.
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They aren't impatient, rather it's their confirmation bias kicking in.

Don't forget most of these fans didn't do their research and were equating Imam's selection with Shan Masood's and saying it was a classic case of nepotism. Now he has scored a century on debut, they are looking for him to fail so they can avoid embarrassment. It says a lot that such fans are more interested in saving their own face rather than admitting they were wrong and enjoying the success of the team.

The reality is Imam is an excellent young prospect, especially for the longer format. Anyone who had actually watched him play before would know this to be the case. Plus he looks like he adjusting his game to the modern game by bulking up and getting fit. Easy to forget he is only 21 and is hard working so any batting issues he has can still be ironed out. His dismissal today was to a good delivery. There is no harm in that, it happens to the best of batsmen. The real test is how he will respond in the future.

Personally I think his real success will come in the longer format but that's not to say he can't adjust to the shorter format. Only time will tell whether he can make the necessary adjustments, but if he can bring his S/R to around 85 that would be ideal.
 
Syed1 said:
Hahahahah 50+ average after 2 ODIs.


So on the back of that one century he can play for the next 15 matches just because he is your favourites nephew.
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Yet, you want Sahibzada to be included in the team on the basis of 7-9 List 'A' matches. :salute

No, I actually do not want Imam in the ODI team, personally, but his selection was a deserving one.
 
Alam_dar said:
It was not a matter of Imam getting a call .... but getting a call "ahead" of Sami Aslam and Sahibzada Farhan.

People say that he did well in the QA trophy. But what this has to do with the LO matches?

Therefore, Inziman had no right to select his nephew in this format ahead of Sami Aslam and Sahibzada Farhan.

In fact, both Sami Aslam and Farhan are asking this question and supporters of Inziman could not reply them except for lame excuse of QA trophy, which even didn't matter for LO series.
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Sami Aslam? Lol. Hasn't he already played ODIs before? What were his performances like? If he proves to Inzamam that he is now an improved player, there is no reason why he shouldn't be brought back. Inzi did select him over his nephew in the test squad but the jaahilat of some people still has them crying "nepotism".

Sahibzada will not be selected on the basis of 7-9 List 'A' matches. Let him play around 20 and then you'll see him getting a call-up to the national team.
 
Syed1 said:
I'm not even advocating for Farhan's selection because he is a limited batsman with bad footwork, just pointing out bias, inconsistency and outright nepotism - but it's all ok since the chief selector is our favourite. Yay.
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Nepotism, which is why Imam still hasn't been selected for tests and scored a century on debut when he was selected for ODIs.

Indeed.
 
Bilal7 said:
Sami Aslam? Lol. Hasn't he already played ODIs before? What were his performances like? If he proves to Inzamam that he is now an improved player, there is no reason why he shouldn't be brought back. Inzi did select him over his nephew in the test squad but the jaahilat of some people still has them crying "nepotism".

Sahibzada will not be selected on the basis of 7-9 List 'A' matches. Let him play around 20 and then you'll see him getting a call-up to the national team.
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Sami Aslam already proved it in the last domestic series where he scored heavily (above 60 average) with the strike rate of about 100+. What more do you demand?
And where was Imam in that series?
Just compare both of them (both average and the run rate) in that series and then answer.

Problem is this that you justify selection of Imam in only QA trophy, which is not LO format. But this same justification you don't accept in case of Sami Aslam in the required format. Are these not the double standards?

Please tell us what Imam did specifically in the shorter format that he should have been selected ahead of others? Absolute nothing.

Then you come up with the excuse of not selecting Imam in the Test series. Once again this could not be excuse of selecting him in the ODIs.

In test we have Shaan Masood which is also a result of nepotism.

Also Imam is very young for the Tests and he does not have much experience for this format (the same argument that you used against Sahibzada Farhan for not getting into the ODI team. Please note that experience in the longer format is much more necessary as compared to the shorter format). Is it not strange that here once again you get into the double standards?

Personally I will not have any problems if Imam would have been selected for the Tests despite his being young. But the standards in Pakistan are different. Therefore, Inzimam played "Mamu" role and brought him into the wrong format, by usurping the rights of others.

Therefore, no denying that Nepotism is involved.
 
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Also in tests, it was also considered to bring Azhar Ali as the opener and then add other experienced players in the middle order.
Therefore, Imam has very little chance in the Test team after playing handful of matches, despite having good last season. There are tens of youngsters who perform in the domestic seasons, but never get a call despite have much more experience in that particular format than Imam.
 
Excellent 50 in the national t20 Cup off 31 balls... but...but... nepotism. :))

Deserved selection in the PSL.
[MENTION=138254]Syed1[/MENTION] I hope nephew's innings met your expectations.
 
mak36 said:
Excellent 50 in the national t20 Cup off 31 balls... but...but... nepotism. :))

Deserved selection in the PSL.
[MENTION=138254]Syed1[/MENTION] I hope nephew's innings met your expectations.
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its still nepotism because..err..um..he likes biryani like his chachu thats why!! there I said it..nepotism..
 
mak36 said:
Excellent 50 in the national t20 Cup off 31 balls... but...but... nepotism. :))

Deserved selection in the PSL.
[MENTION=138254]Syed1[/MENTION] I hope nephew's innings met your expectations.
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I swear he didn't get picked by any PSL team?
 
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