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Permission for Muslims to conduct Friday prayers has been revoked in India’s Gurugram city

So if he says that these guys are not locals and bjp members, it is the truth?

While all media reporting that muslims were using public place to offer namaz and that locals protested is false?

In that logic you should have no issues with DMK being a thug and taking over Hindu temples but not others because “locals” voted them in.

Just because locals seem to be ok doesn't make it right.

The hatred being peddled against Muslims in Northern India is absolutely nauseating to see.
 
In that logic you should have no issues with DMK being a thug and taking over Hindu temples but not others because “locals” voted them in.

Just because locals seem to be ok doesn't make it right.

The hatred being peddled against Muslims in Northern India is absolutely nauseating to see.

Is temple govt property? Is the money donated to the temple tax money or is it donated to the deity? Why is the govt taking over the money and property of the deity? As per law, the property of a temple is vested with the deity and is "debuttor" property. Its not govt property.

In case of Gurugram, muslims were taking over public property, thats the govt and tax payers property. If it was Waqf property no one would say anything.
 
Is temple govt property? Is the money donated to the temple tax money or is it donated to the deity? Why is the govt taking over the money and property of the deity? As per law, the property of a temple is vested with the deity and is "debuttor" property. Its not govt property.

In case of Gurugram, muslims were taking over public property, thats the govt and tax payers property. If it was Waqf property no one would say anything.

No ,point is locals have no issue with govn taking over temples, you and me do that’s it.

Tomorrow if majority Hindus agree its ok to block roads and have a religious gathering would you say the same?

What’s politics is politics, Haryana is playing politics , this is not such a big issue at all.

What public property are they taking over for prayer?

Im all for banning religious gatherings outside do it take a stand but no nonsense of singling out.
 
You do one full mala of gayatri every time?

Good too know that people are still upholding our religious traditions.

We use a different finger method to calculate it.

I do a shortened version of sandhi. lol.

My Dad is hardcore.

I am lucky in the sense I got to watch my Dad and grand-dad follow the traditions so eventually I started doing it too.

Kids who don't get to experience that will never follow it (understandably so).
 
No ,point is locals have no issue with govn taking over temples, you and me do that’s it.

Tomorrow if majority Hindus agree its ok to block roads and have a religious gathering would you say the same?

What’s politics is politics, Haryana is playing politics , this is not such a big issue at all.

What public property are they taking over for prayer?

Im all for banning religious gatherings outside do it take a stand but no nonsense of singling out.

1. Temples belong to Hindus, not locals only. Locals may be of any religion.

2. If any hindu agree to block roads every week of the year i will say thats absolutely wrong. If muslims were blocking roads for Id or muhurram or any such festivals that occur may be 10 -15 days a year thats different. This is every week. Secondly they are now demanding that govt give them land to build mosques.

3. They are taking over public land, parks etc for prayers. Its mentioned in all articles.
 
Every Friday, for three months now, a group of people belonging to fringe Hindu right-wing groups have unfailingly gathered to interrupt Muslims' prayers in public places in Gurgaon, an upscale suburb of the Indian capital, Delhi.

They have noisily demanded that open prayers should be stopped in these vacant spaces - car parks, government-owned plots of land near factories, markets, and residential neighbourhoods - where working class Muslims have offered prayers for years.

They have shouted slogans, parked vehicles to block entry, and heckled the worshippers, calling them jihadis and Pakistanis. The prayers are now held under police protection. "It's a scary situation. We never expected this to happen in Gurgaon," says Altaf Ahmad, co-founder of the Gurgaon Muslim Council, a local community group.

Located some 15 miles south of Delhi, parts of Gurgaon have grown from a cluster of sleepy villages to a thriving business suburb in less than three decades. Filled to the brim with gleaming glass-and-chrome office towers, luxury shops and swish high-rise apartments, this "millennium city" - as officials love to call it - of more than a million people is a haven for both white and blue collar migrants. By one estimate, up to 500,000 Muslims, mainly construction workers, handymen and menial labour, live here.

But Gurgaon today is the unlikely centre of a new religious fault-line over namaz or prayers.

"We are not against Muslims or namaz. But holding prayers in [the] open is 'land jihad'," says Kulbhushan Bhardwaj, one of the leaders of the protesting Hindu groups. Muslim leaders say this is the latest bogey about "Muslims planning to grab lands" where they pray.

In the past, Hindu nationalists have targeted Muslims by launching movements against "love jihad" - a right-wing conspiracy theory accusing Muslim men of converting Hindu women by marriage - alleged forced conversions and cow slaughter.

The protesters claim they are part of an umbrella group of some two dozen Hindu nationalist outfits - mainly vigilante gangs made up of young, unemployed men - called the Sanyukt Hindu Sangharsh Samiti. The Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP), which has governed India since 2014, has "traditionally protected" Hindu nationalist vigilantes, whose "moral and social policing" is intended to "impose cultural and social practices rather than laws", according to Christophe Jaffrelot, a political scientist.

But what began as a rag-tag army of protesters in Gurgaon has slowly coalesced into an organised movement, now drawing the support of some local residents. "We don't feel good when Muslims pray openly near my house. We feel fear. After prayers, they loiter around," said Sunil Yadav, a resident who joined a successful protest to stop prayers on a 36-acre plot near his home.


Why stopping India's vigilante killings will not be easy

Last week, the protests gained the imprimatur of legitimacy when the chief minister of BJP-led Haryana - where Gurgaon is located - denounced open prayers. Manohar Lal Khattar said namaz offered in [the] open would "not be tolerated". He said the practice was a "confrontation, we will not allow this confrontation to continue".

The early protests over open prayers began in 2018. After negotiations, Muslim citizen groups had then agreed to whittle down the number of sites from 108 to 37. This year, the protests restarted for reasons that are still unclear. After fresh - and contested - negotiations, the number of sites is now down to 20.

Muslims have been offering prayers in the open in Gurgaon for more than two decades. At the heart of the dispute is the shortage of spaces to accommodate worshippers.

"They [vigilantes] are using a civic problem to stoke religious tensions," says Hilal Ahmed, a scholar of political Islam. "They are telling Muslims to go to mosques and pray. The problem is that there aren't enough mosques."

There are some 13 mosques in Gurgaon, of which only one is located in the newer part of the city, where most migrants live and work. Jamaluddin, a local officer of a board which oversees Muslim properties, says most of their land is locked away in the far-flung outskirts with a negligible Muslim population - 19 mosques in such areas were closed "because of lack of worshippers", he said. And land in the heart of Gurgaon was unaffordable for the board.

Is India descending into mob rule?

Gurgaon's town planners have allocated space for more than 42 temples and 18 gurdwaras but just one plot for a mosque in the newly developed parts of the city, according to the Gurgaon Muslim Council. Five years ago, two Muslim trusts failed in their bid to acquire government plots being sold for religious purposes.

What is happening in Gurgaon today has echoes of a 2011 ban on offering prayers in the street in Paris after protests from the far right. The reason: Muslims were unable to find space in mosques. An agreement was subsequently reached with two local mosques to rent out disused barracks for prayers. Six years later there was a similar protest by politicians in a Paris suburb - worshippers said they had nowhere else to go since the town hall took over the room they used for prayers.

Hindu activists being detained during a protest against Namaz offered by Muslim devotees in an open ground, at Sector 12 market, on October 29, 2021 in Gurugram, India.

But religion always has and still does spill into public spaces in India - annual religious processions and gatherings often obstruct traffic and even force road closures. India's chaotic, pluralist brand of secularism has however come under threat in recent years.

Yet, in Gurgaon, all may not be lost. A Hindu businessman opened his shop to Muslims to offer Friday prayers. Last month, Sikh gurdwaras offered their space to Muslims for worship, but had to reverse the decision after protests from Hindu groups. Most Indians say it's important to respect all faiths to be "truly Indian", according to a major new Pew Research Center survey of religion across India.

At the moment, Muslims in Gurgaon are uncertain and anxious. Many risk losing pay for taking time off from work on Fridays and travelling long distances to find a prayer site. "We live in fear and face constant humiliation," Mr Ahmad says.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-59648098
 
Every Friday, for three months now, a group of people belonging to fringe Hindu right-wing groups have unfailingly gathered to interrupt Muslims' prayers in public places in Gurgaon, an upscale suburb of the Indian capital, Delhi.

They have noisily demanded that open prayers should be stopped in these vacant spaces - car parks, government-owned plots of land near factories, markets, and residential neighbourhoods - where working class Muslims have offered prayers for years.

They have shouted slogans, parked vehicles to block entry, and heckled the worshippers, calling them jihadis and Pakistanis. The prayers are now held under police protection. "It's a scary situation. We never expected this to happen in Gurgaon," says Altaf Ahmad, co-founder of the Gurgaon Muslim Council, a local community group.

Located some 15 miles south of Delhi, parts of Gurgaon have grown from a cluster of sleepy villages to a thriving business suburb in less than three decades. Filled to the brim with gleaming glass-and-chrome office towers, luxury shops and swish high-rise apartments, this "millennium city" - as officials love to call it - of more than a million people is a haven for both white and blue collar migrants. By one estimate, up to 500,000 Muslims, mainly construction workers, handymen and menial labour, live here.

But Gurgaon today is the unlikely centre of a new religious fault-line over namaz or prayers.

"We are not against Muslims or namaz. But holding prayers in [the] open is 'land jihad'," says Kulbhushan Bhardwaj, one of the leaders of the protesting Hindu groups. Muslim leaders say this is the latest bogey about "Muslims planning to grab lands" where they pray.

In the past, Hindu nationalists have targeted Muslims by launching movements against "love jihad" - a right-wing conspiracy theory accusing Muslim men of converting Hindu women by marriage - alleged forced conversions and cow slaughter.

The protesters claim they are part of an umbrella group of some two dozen Hindu nationalist outfits - mainly vigilante gangs made up of young, unemployed men - called the Sanyukt Hindu Sangharsh Samiti. The Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP), which has governed India since 2014, has "traditionally protected" Hindu nationalist vigilantes, whose "moral and social policing" is intended to "impose cultural and social practices rather than laws", according to Christophe Jaffrelot, a political scientist.

But what began as a rag-tag army of protesters in Gurgaon has slowly coalesced into an organised movement, now drawing the support of some local residents. "We don't feel good when Muslims pray openly near my house. We feel fear. After prayers, they loiter around," said Sunil Yadav, a resident who joined a successful protest to stop prayers on a 36-acre plot near his home.


Why stopping India's vigilante killings will not be easy

Last week, the protests gained the imprimatur of legitimacy when the chief minister of BJP-led Haryana - where Gurgaon is located - denounced open prayers. Manohar Lal Khattar said namaz offered in [the] open would "not be tolerated". He said the practice was a "confrontation, we will not allow this confrontation to continue".

The early protests over open prayers began in 2018. After negotiations, Muslim citizen groups had then agreed to whittle down the number of sites from 108 to 37. This year, the protests restarted for reasons that are still unclear. After fresh - and contested - negotiations, the number of sites is now down to 20.

Muslims have been offering prayers in the open in Gurgaon for more than two decades. At the heart of the dispute is the shortage of spaces to accommodate worshippers.

"They [vigilantes] are using a civic problem to stoke religious tensions," says Hilal Ahmed, a scholar of political Islam. "They are telling Muslims to go to mosques and pray. The problem is that there aren't enough mosques."

There are some 13 mosques in Gurgaon, of which only one is located in the newer part of the city, where most migrants live and work. Jamaluddin, a local officer of a board which oversees Muslim properties, says most of their land is locked away in the far-flung outskirts with a negligible Muslim population - 19 mosques in such areas were closed "because of lack of worshippers", he said. And land in the heart of Gurgaon was unaffordable for the board.

Is India descending into mob rule?

Gurgaon's town planners have allocated space for more than 42 temples and 18 gurdwaras but just one plot for a mosque in the newly developed parts of the city, according to the Gurgaon Muslim Council. Five years ago, two Muslim trusts failed in their bid to acquire government plots being sold for religious purposes.

What is happening in Gurgaon today has echoes of a 2011 ban on offering prayers in the street in Paris after protests from the far right. The reason: Muslims were unable to find space in mosques. An agreement was subsequently reached with two local mosques to rent out disused barracks for prayers. Six years later there was a similar protest by politicians in a Paris suburb - worshippers said they had nowhere else to go since the town hall took over the room they used for prayers.

Hindu activists being detained during a protest against Namaz offered by Muslim devotees in an open ground, at Sector 12 market, on October 29, 2021 in Gurugram, India.

But religion always has and still does spill into public spaces in India - annual religious processions and gatherings often obstruct traffic and even force road closures. India's chaotic, pluralist brand of secularism has however come under threat in recent years.

Yet, in Gurgaon, all may not be lost. A Hindu businessman opened his shop to Muslims to offer Friday prayers. Last month, Sikh gurdwaras offered their space to Muslims for worship, but had to reverse the decision after protests from Hindu groups. Most Indians say it's important to respect all faiths to be "truly Indian", according to a major new Pew Research Center survey of religion across India.

At the moment, Muslims in Gurgaon are uncertain and anxious. Many risk losing pay for taking time off from work on Fridays and travelling long distances to find a prayer site. "We live in fear and face constant humiliation," Mr Ahmad says.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-59648098

Its shameful that BBC has resorted to lying to push their agenda.

According to census of India muslim population is barely 4.68 per cent of Gurugram's population. Total population of gurugram is 1.6 mn . So where did the author find 500k muslims in gurugram.

https://www.census2011.co.in/data/religion/district/225-gurgaon.html

Haryana has around 7 per cent muslims only and mainly Meos.


The author again lies that the gurudwara withdrew its permission due to hindu groups. They withdrew permission because the sikhs protested.

https://www.thehindu.com/news/citie...not-held-at-gurdwara/article37590555.ece/amp/


The article though clearly mentions that muslims were offering namaz in parking lots, open markets, residential neighborhoods or govt plots all of which are public places.

It also mentions that the Waqf board finds the land to be very costly in gurugram and couldn't buy two plots it was supposed to.
 
My disgust knows no bounds.

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Gurgaon: Muslims in Haryana's Gurgaon faced yet more protests from right-wing groups today while trying to offer namaz. Interruption of namaz in open spaces, particularly on government-owned land, has taken place every week for the past few months in the city, which is part of the national capital region.

This week - at the city's Udyog Vihar neighbourhood - there was a heated exchange of words after an angry mob seemed to harass Muslims gathered to pray, demanding they chant 'Bharat mata ki jai'.

Visuals showed the two groups (some of whom had no face masks) shouting at each other.

A man wearing a saffron-coloured shawl, another man in a maroon shirt and wool cap, and a third in a blue shirt can be heard demanding the Muslims shout 'Bharat mata ki jai'.

"We will force you... You will have to say it... you will have to say it... you will have to say it," the man in the maroon shirt screams. "Why can't you say it... Do you live in Pakistan?" another person is heard.

"We're trying to pray... why are you doing this?" the Muslims ask but their pleas are drowned out.

At this point the man in the saffron shawl points a finger at the Muslims and says: "If you want to stay in Bharat, you have to say it ('Bharat mata ki jai')."

Some of the Muslims gathered to pray then start a chant of their own: "Mahatma Gandhi ki... jai, Mahatma Gandhi ki... jai, Mahatma Gandhi ki... jai."

In another video the man in the maroon shirt, now at the centre of a sea of people jostling and pushing, can be seen shouting: "We will not allow namaz to be held here."

According to news agency PTI, police soon arrived at the scene and tried to hold talks. Neither the district administration nor the police have issued a statement as yet.

Earlier cow dung was spread on one of the sites meant for Muslims to offer namaz

PTI reported that namaz was offered in other places in Gurgaon, including in those selected by the administration after talks between the two religious communities following similar clashes in 2018.

Muslims, however, stayed away from Sector 37 - one of the designated sites - where a Hindu religious ceremony was being performed. The Sector 37 site, in the past, has also seen hostile stand-offs.

Controversy over the offer of namaz yesterday reached the Supreme Court, after an ex-Rajya Sabha MP sought action against state officials, including the DGP of Haryana Police, for failing to comply with directions regarding curbing of communal and violent sentiments that result in hate crimes.

As protests erupt each week, police presence has been required to maintain some law and order. But this has not, so far, deterred the right-wing groups from turning out in force each time.

Last month Haryana Chief Minister ML Khattar said Muslims would not be allowed to offer namaz in open spaces in the city; this was effectively a withdrawal of the 2018 deal.

He told reporters "we won't tolerate the custom of offering namaz in the open".

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/gur...namaz-told-2657225#pfrom=home-ndtv_topstories
 
My disgust knows no bounds.

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Gurgaon: Muslims in Haryana's Gurgaon faced yet more protests from right-wing groups today while trying to offer namaz. Interruption of namaz in open spaces, particularly on government-owned land, has taken place every week for the past few months in the city, which is part of the national capital region.

This week - at the city's Udyog Vihar neighbourhood - there was a heated exchange of words after an angry mob seemed to harass Muslims gathered to pray, demanding they chant 'Bharat mata ki jai'.

Visuals showed the two groups (some of whom had no face masks) shouting at each other.

A man wearing a saffron-coloured shawl, another man in a maroon shirt and wool cap, and a third in a blue shirt can be heard demanding the Muslims shout 'Bharat mata ki jai'.

"We will force you... You will have to say it... you will have to say it... you will have to say it," the man in the maroon shirt screams. "Why can't you say it... Do you live in Pakistan?" another person is heard.

"We're trying to pray... why are you doing this?" the Muslims ask but their pleas are drowned out.

At this point the man in the saffron shawl points a finger at the Muslims and says: "If you want to stay in Bharat, you have to say it ('Bharat mata ki jai')."

Some of the Muslims gathered to pray then start a chant of their own: "Mahatma Gandhi ki... jai, Mahatma Gandhi ki... jai, Mahatma Gandhi ki... jai."

In another video the man in the maroon shirt, now at the centre of a sea of people jostling and pushing, can be seen shouting: "We will not allow namaz to be held here."

According to news agency PTI, police soon arrived at the scene and tried to hold talks. Neither the district administration nor the police have issued a statement as yet.

Earlier cow dung was spread on one of the sites meant for Muslims to offer namaz

PTI reported that namaz was offered in other places in Gurgaon, including in those selected by the administration after talks between the two religious communities following similar clashes in 2018.

Muslims, however, stayed away from Sector 37 - one of the designated sites - where a Hindu religious ceremony was being performed. The Sector 37 site, in the past, has also seen hostile stand-offs.

Controversy over the offer of namaz yesterday reached the Supreme Court, after an ex-Rajya Sabha MP sought action against state officials, including the DGP of Haryana Police, for failing to comply with directions regarding curbing of communal and violent sentiments that result in hate crimes.

As protests erupt each week, police presence has been required to maintain some law and order. But this has not, so far, deterred the right-wing groups from turning out in force each time.

Last month Haryana Chief Minister ML Khattar said Muslims would not be allowed to offer namaz in open spaces in the city; this was effectively a withdrawal of the 2018 deal.

He told reporters "we won't tolerate the custom of offering namaz in the open".

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/gur...namaz-told-2657225#pfrom=home-ndtv_topstories

How is NDTV claiming that the public site is meant for namaz? The supreme court in 2009 banned any permanent religious activity on public land.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/indian...ious-structures-on-public-land-rules-sc/lite/

The Haryana government too has sid that there won't be any namaz on public land

So who authorized NDTV or anyone to start offering namaz in public places today?
 
Dawn Editorial -- added for discussion purposes

THE unfortunate reality of India today is that Hindu extremists — egged on by their ideological fellow travellers in government — are constantly coming up with new ruses to make life for the country’s Muslim minority increasingly difficult. The latest controversy has emerged from the Delhi suburb of Gurgaon, where hardliners belonging to the Sangh Parivar have been protesting over Muslims offering Friday prayers outdoors.

For several months now, zealots have been showing up to prayers and heckling worshippers, accusing them of taking part in ‘land jihad’. The fact is that there are not enough mosques in the area, which has left local Muslims with no option but to hold prayers in vacant lots, particularly on Fridays when congregations are larger than usual.

However, behind the façade of adhering to civic codes lurks the monster of bigotry. The problem in BJP-ruled India is not where Muslims hold prayers. The ‘problem’ seems to be the community itself, as Hindu extremists want to wipe out all traces of Muslim culture and practices from the country. What is even more disturbing is that officialdom is standing by the fundamentalists; the chief minister of Haryana, where Gurgaon is located, has said namaz in open places “will not be tolerated”.

Of course, opposition to Muslim religious and cultural practices seems to be the natural choice for a ruling party whose ideological comrades proudly demolished the Babri Masjid. In fact, that dark day served as a harbinger for India’s Muslims regarding what was to come; the kar sevaks who helped destroy the Mughal-era mosque in Ayodhya have now captured power in New Delhi. Ever since Narendra Modi took power, life has become more and more difficult for India’s Muslims.

From facing accusations of ‘love jihad’ and violent vigilante attacks due to suspected cow slaughter to having to prove their antecedents in order to save their citizenship, Muslims in India face a systematic wave of discrimination and disenfranchisement. The brutal treatment of Kashmiris in the occupied region is another story altogether. Therefore, the confrontation over prayers in Gurgaon is an additional link in this disturbing chain. If the Indian state is serious about preserving its so-called secularism, it needs to ensure Muslims are allowed to practise their religion freely without any threat from violent elements. If not, the assumption that India’s secular order has been replaced by a Hindutva raj will only be proven true.

Published in Dawn, December 19th, 2021
 
The dawn editorial piece doesn't hold the same standard as dawn maintains. It feels as if it was some personal rant rather than article in a respected paper. In this same topic, many Pakistani ppers have written with more content while maintaining integrity in comparison to this piece.
 
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