Pick 2 from this list of pace-bowlers for the World Cup

[Saj]

Azhar Mahmood has stated that there are still 2 bowling spots for the World Cup which are undecided.

The options according to Azhar are Shinwari, Amir, Junaid, Abbas or Hasnain.

Which 2 would you take to the World Cup from this list?

 

[Chokli]

Amir
Junaid

 

[Pak Warrior]

Messed up on the vote, hit other without reading Saj post. Would pick Amir and Junaid from this group

 

[Chokli]

Junaid, Shinwari and Amir should be going and not Faheem.

How Faheem secured his spot is beyond me

 

[Saj]

And it seems that Shaheen, Hassan Ali and Faheem are definite picks for the World Cup.

 

[CricFan2012]

Junaid, Shinwari and Amir should be going and not Faheem.

How Faheem secured his spot is beyond me

We don't have any other options.

Faheem is actually economical and will pick a wicket or two, while the players on this list apart from Amir who is economical, will get tonked.

 

[aloo paratha]

Amir and Junaid.

 

[Chokli]

We don't have any other options.

Faheem is actually economical and will pick a wicket or two, while the players on this list apart from Amir who is economical, will get tonked.

Faheem is economical in the UAE not overseas.

 

[Arsalan Pro]

Even without the telling of Azhar Mahmood, everyone knew the 3 regularly playing pacers who are in Pakistan currently are locked for the WC and we can only take 5, so only 2 slots were available.

Regarding these options, it is pretty much impossible now for Abbas and Hasnain to get selected for the WC after their respective performances.

It's a shootout between Amir, Junaid and Shinwari for 2 spots and these 3 will play next 2 matches together, so we can judge them by that.

Currently, I would take Amir and Junaid as there is no reliability which Shinwari will turn out to bowl, either he will bowl impressively or lose us a crucial match single handedly, which we can't afford during a World Cup.

 

[MMHS]

I voted for Amir & Abbas.

I do believe Abbas can be effective in UK (in fact had he played today, on that track could have got AUS 3-4 down in 15 overs), while Amir is the most complete pacer in the squad. I don't see the reason to pick both Amir & JK since Shaheen is also a Left-armer.

 

[Arsalan Pro]

I voted for Amir & Abbas.

I do believe Abbas can be effective in UK (in fact had he played today, on that track could have got AUS 3-4 down in 15 overs), while Amir is the most complete pacer in the squad. I don't see the reason to pick both Amir & JK since Shaheen is also a Left-armer.

Then what is the reason regarding the bowling arm why Abbas should be selected, when we already have Hasan and Faheem.

 

[MMHS]

Then what is the reason regarding the bowling arm why Abbas should be selected, when we already have Hasan and Faheem.

Left-arm pacers are for a surprise element, one left-armer in the attack brings diversity,may be you can accommodate 2, but more than that it becomes stereotype. Most of the batsmen are right handers and stock ball from left-armers leaves the batsman which is easier to negotiate if it's over done. On top of that, PAK has Imad & Shadab whose stock ball leaves the right handers.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I voted for Amir & Abbas.

I do believe Abbas can be effective in UK (in fact had he played today, on that track could have got AUS 3-4 down in 15 overs), while Amir is the most complete pacer in the squad. I don't see the reason to pick both Amir & JK since Shaheen is also a Left-armer.

Disagree somewhat on Abbas. He is a new ball bowler, the wickets in England don't offer a lot of help for seam on ODI tracks, especially if we have a hot summer like last couple of years.

 

[Chokli]

Left-arm pacers are for a surprise element, one left-armer in the attack brings diversity,may be you can accommodate 2, but more than that it becomes stereotype. Most of the batsmen are right handers and stock ball from left-armers leaves the batsman which is easier to negotiate if it's over done. On top of that, PAK has Imad & Shadab whose stock ball leaves the right handers.

of course, of course the player that doesn't play would have been able to get wickets.

the player not in the XI is always the most dangerous

 

[ExpressPacer]

Would like to see Shinwari and Hasnain there. Amir has absolutely lost it and if Hasnain is to perform exceedingly poorly in the England series and warm up games, then he can be "injured" but as of now, with his dibbly dobbly 130 KPH thunderbolts, Amir does not make my team. The guy is going through major personal problems it seems and is not in the frame of mind to play international cricket.

Shinwari and Hasnain will add a lot of power to the pace attack. Both of them are strong, built, tall and pacy. I am sure someone like Shinwari will swing the ball miles in England.

Just think of it guys, an opening spell from Usman Khan under cloud cover in England could EASILY help us see the opposition losing 3-4 wickets in succession. The guy has a knack of picking wickets in bunches, especially early on. We've seen him do it in the deserts of UAE -in overcast conditions of the UK, it becomes all the more likely.

 

[coy0607]

surprised to see Amir getting so many vots. I wouldn't take him to the WC

him being good on friendly pitches is not a good excuse, its a cop out. Every other Pakistani bowler has to perform in the UAE, why should Amir get a free pass in UAE and get to go to the WC?

Shinwari and Husnain for me... Junaid is probably better than Husnain at this point, but he doesn't bring anything different to the table, similar to Shinwari / Hassan / Faheem in a lot of ways. Husnain at least gives you a totally different look

 

[MMHS]

of course, of course the player that doesn't play would have been able to get wickets.

the player not in the XI is always the most dangerous

It's about keeping more options - that's why they allow 15-16 players. Abbas isn't expected to start, but on a typical English wicket, he might play as 4th pacer in an all pace combination.

 

[nextover666666]

Tempted to go with Amir and junaid how ever I wanna throw in Hasnain as well he is a good bowler just needs to work hard and improve his run up but I feel like he can be a suprise package for the World Cup

 

[Chokli]

It's about keeping more options - that's why they allow 15-16 players. Abbas isn't expected to start, but on a typical English wicket, he might play as 4th pacer in an all pace combination.

he's not good enough for ODIs.

he's a poor mans mohammad asif

asif himself wasn't cut out for ODIs, no way is abbas in this day and age

 

[Cric_lover4487]

What about Wahab? He looked good in PSL and also a proven performer in WC knockout matches.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Would like to see Shinwari and Hasnain there. Amir has absolutely lost it and if Hasnain is to perform exceedingly poorly in the England series and warm up games, then he can be "injured" but as of now, with his dibbly dobbly 130 KPH thunderbolts, Amir does not make my team. The guy is going through major personal problems it seems and is not in the frame of mind to play international cricket.

Shinwari and Hasnain will add a lot of power to the pace attack. Both of them are strong, built, tall and pacy. I am sure someone like Shinwari will swing the ball miles in England.

Just think of it guys, an opening spell from Usman Khan under cloud cover in England could EASILY help us see the opposition losing 3-4 wickets in succession. The guy has a knack of picking wickets in bunches, especially early on. We've seen him do it in the deserts of UAE -in overcast conditions of the UK, it becomes all the more likely.

Shinwari bowls mostly in the mid 130 range, he is not really a genuine pace bowler. His faster deliveries take a lot of effort and they still aren't that fast. If you are going to describe Amir as a dibbly dobbler 130 bower, at least don't pick someone who bowls even slower.

 

[GoUgandaCranes]

Amir and Hasnain.

We need to have some pace in our attack and the guy needs to be played like a proper fast bowler and not a bits and pieces stock bowler.

Tired of watching trundlers and mental midgets represent Pakistan. Heck I'd even take Haris Rauf purely because of his death bowling skills then some of the names in contention.

 

[ExpressPacer]

Shinwari bowls mostly in the mid 130 range, he is not really a genuine pace bowler. His faster deliveries take a lot of effort and they still aren't that fast. If you are going to describe Amir as a dibbly dobbler 130 bower, at least don't pick someone who bowls even slower.

Shinwari is actually considerably faster. I don't think he's how bowling to his complete ability because he was consistently in the 140s during the Asia cup.

 

[NauV]

Is it bad that I want to select none of them? Lol . . Yup! I guess that's teh state we are in . .

But unfortunately there's not much there to play with . .

1. Hasnain: I said it in one of the earlier threads as well . . there is potential . . but his pace isn't touching 150 on average . . and he doesn't do much with the ball . . so for now, he needs to work hard before intl cricket . .
2. Abbas: Unfortuantely, our selectors have screwed it up big time for him? I ask all of you . . For a tournament in England, would you test Abbas' suitability in the UAE? Like for real? Where is that sense which we supposedly call . . common! So, to be honest . . idk! I can't tell what he would be like . . haven't seen enough . . and English pitches for white ball cricket have been the best for batting in the world . . so yea, very reluctant to pick him! If he was actually in contention, he should have been in the squad in South Africa
3. Shinwari: Idk man!! I don't like his bowling . . just as simple as that! I'd prefer Wahab over him to be honest . . he isn't fast enough and bowls gun barrel straight! He can't bowl with the new ball . . his strength is with the old ball and we already have hasan for that . . you can't have too many of those! Plus, he has the propensity to be very expensive! so yea . . No!

Hence . . that leaves me with Junaid and Amir . . and trust me! Both of them have MANY issues too . . but out of the 5, I can't help but think we'd have to go with these 2

 

[Bilal7]

Faheem has gone off the rails. He's neither a proper bowler, nor a proper batsman and does not put in those Afridi-esque performances either. He shouldn't make the cut.

The pace attack should consist of Hasan, Amir, Junaid and Shaheen.

 

[Manager101]

Amir and Junaid should be selected.

Abbas and Hasnain will be too risky, while Shinwari has the special ability to lose crucial matches single handily.

 

[HGhazanfar]

Why not wait until the doemstic one day cup to conclude, we could possibly bring in Musa Khan and Wahab Riaz

 

[Ali_Pakistan]

I think Amir is also locked and it will be between Junaid and Shinwari.

 

[HGhazanfar]

I think Amir is also locked and it will be between Junaid and Shinwari.

Amir's form has deteriorated completely, his champions trophy spell was not a fluke he was bowling well prior to that a lot of his catches were dropped but he was more consistent still picking up wickets. After that tournament he has done absolutely nothing, why gamble when you are lucky to have 6+ options to take. Knowing the selectors they don't want to look elsewhere.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Shinwari is actually considerably faster. I don't think he's how bowling to his complete ability because he was consistently in the 140s during the Asia cup.

Then I can only assume he is slowing down to maintain control of line and length. In any case, I can only judge him on what he is producing, and he is bowling mid 130's so far in Dubai. Also looked pretty tame in the PSL so his recent form is poor compared to other candidates.

 

[Chokli]

I think Amir is also locked and it will be between Junaid and Shinwari.

shinwari will get the nod

 

[Ali_Pakistan]

Amir's form has deteriorated completely, his champions trophy spell was not a fluke he was bowling well prior to that a lot of his catches were dropped but he was more consistent still picking up wickets. After that tournament he has done absolutely nothing, why gamble when you are lucky to have 6+ options to take. Knowing the selectors they don't want to look elsewhere.

With Amir selectors and team management won't take a chance to drop a big name like him as he is considered to be a top notch bowler. They will most definitely pick him.

 

[Ali_Pakistan]

shinwari will get the nod

Yeah it seems like Shinwari will get the nod. Other than performance liking by team management will play part in selections and Junaid does not seems to be in 'Chahetas'.

 

[The_Odd_One]

How come Aamir makes it due to his CT final performance but Junaid does not who bowled consistently well in the same tournament?

 

[akmalfamilyfan]

Amir should be exiled, can't believe anyone wants to bring him he has been bowling as well as me in the last two years. I believe Shinwari and Hasnain. I know Hasnain has bowled not great in these last two games, but he has express pace something that is missing, also he is aggressive. We need some young blood and he could be a big time player, like Hassan Ali in the last tournament.

 

[Manager101]

How come Aamir makes it due to his CT final performance but Junaid does not who bowled consistently well in the same tournament?

Spot on !!

Moreover, Junaid Khan has the knack of taking wickets now and then.

 

[Rana]

Pakistan should take Amir as a 16th member in England. Add him to the squad in the latter part of the World cup where things will get crucial. The guy is likely to produce his best when he and his country are completely on the edge.

 

[Saj]

I think Mickey and co. will be reluctant to leave Amir out of the squad, just in case it all goes wrong and people then say why didn't you take Amir.

 

[unemployedgm]

On merit Amir doesn't deserve to be in the Pakistan Team. But, Amir has shown an ability to raise a level in big games. He did so in the 2009 T20 World Cup and in the Champions Trophy Final in 2016.

The reality is, Pakistan usually wins these tournaments based on a series of isolated and sometimes fortunate situations going there way. Amir is one player irrespective of his poor performances who can initiate a positive isolated incident.

 

[Sunny_majoka]

Amir is lock in odis, its between shinwari and junaid. One of them will be picked

 

[RehanG]

Amir, Junaid and maybe Hasnain for the X-factor

 

[Rana]

I think there is no reason to change the Amir, junaid and Hassan trilogy attack for England. ICC will not prepare the typical flat pancakes ECB and the domestic cricket scene have been preparing in order to create a explosive batting culture in the last 3-4 years.

 

[ask_analyse_act]

It is a long tournament and they should take 6 seamers to the CWC

My 6 would be

SSA, HASSO, AMIR, JUNAID, SHINWARI, ABBAS

 

[ExpressPacer]

[MENTION=48620]Cpt. Rishwat[/MENTION]

Champ, Shinwari bowling in the mid 140's consistently and bouncing out the Aussie openers.

Meanwhile, Junaid on the other hand is bowling at an average pace of 130 KPH.

 

[Invincible Gujjar]

Wahab riaz and amir. Much better than rubbis usman shinwari and junaid trundler khan

 

[Bilal7]

Pakistan should take Amir as a 16th member in England. Add him to the squad in the latter part of the World cup where things will get crucial. The guy is likely to produce his best when he and his country are completely on the edge.

Why not take him as part of the 15 and play the first few games with Hasan, Shaheen and Junaid?

 

[Bilal7]

Junaid still has the ability to bowl in the low-140s when needed. You need to bowl slower in the UAE because any pace will simply be used against you, as Hasnain is quickly figuring out. Junaid's pace should be up in England.

 

[Forum363]

I think it should be a case of a safe/steady option and a risky one.

1. For the safe option - the choice is between Amir and Junaid. Both have been relatively economical lately, are decent new ball bowlers,can move it around in the right conditions, have destroyed the Indian top order single handedly, and are okay at the death.

2. For the risky choice it is between Hasnain and Shinwari. Hasnain has the obvious pace and decent control. Shinwari has a knack for getting on a roll and also bowls a heavy ball. They can both be match winners but also have a bigger likelihood of getting destroyed in a crucial match, than Amir or Junaid.


For me - I am indifferent between the first two but definitely feel Hasnain should be picked from the latter option. I just hope they don't go with both bowlers from the same category.

 

[ar2020]

It will be Junaid and Shinwari.