[PICS] Will West Indies cricket be better off with the departures of Chris Gayle and Dwayne Bravo?

[MenInG]

One correction - title refers to their recent form!

But have WI been carrying these 2 players on for too long when they should have looked elsewhere?

 

[cric_4life]

Add pollard to that list

 

[MenInG]

Watching these 2 on TV after toss would make you think they won the World Cup and the Mace and are leaving on an all time high.

 

[Zaz]

Definitely too long They should never have been picked in this world cup

I dont know what theyve got over the board that they can be selected time and time again whenever they feel like

Their selections have definitely contributed to WI shocking performance in this cup

 

[Rana]

West Indies were the first country to be messed up by IPL

They will be the first to part ways from it too.

 

[MenInG]

 

[MenInG]

Dwayne Bravo with a chance to go out with a bang.

 

[Mamoon]

West Indies were the first country to be messed up by IPL

They will be the first to part ways from it too.

What is the point of such posts?

West Indies’ decline started about 15 years before existence of IPL, and IPL as well franchise/T20 cricket in general have greatly contributed to the only achievement of West Indies cricket of the last decade - the two WT20 titles.

West Indies cricket would have been pretty much dead if it wasn’t for T20 cricket.

 

[Rana]

What is the point of such posts?

West Indies’ decline started about 15 years before existence of IPL, and IPL as well franchise/T20 cricket in general have greatly contributed to the only achievement of West Indies cricket of the last decade - the two WT20 titles.

West Indies cricket would have been pretty much dead if it wasn’t for T20 cricket.

The point is the truth, no matter how bitter it is. Why do you have a problem with the bitter truth all of a sudden? That’s what you apparently dish out here and are so proud of it.

 

[sweep_shot]

Better off most likely.

Gayle has been a liability. Bravo wasn't much better either.

Time to bring in young players.

 

[Mamoon]

The point is the truth, no matter how bitter it is. Why do you have a problem with the bitter truth all of a sudden? That’s what you apparently dish out here and are so proud of it.

There is no truth attached to it as I explained. If you want to live in your own world and blame IPL for anything and everything under the sun, that is fine. However, your delusions have no relevance in the real world.

West Indies cricket declined started in the mid to late 90’s, and since the early 2000s, they have been pretty much rubbish in Tests and ODIs.

They have had some isolated success every now and then, but they haven’t had a single stretch of 12-18 months in either format where they have played like a top side.

There could have been a shred of truth to what you said if West Indies were a top Test/ODI side before the emergence of IPL. However, that is not the case at all.

In fact, one can argue that West Indies performance in home Tests over the last few years is actually better than their performances in the early to mid 2000s.

So again - what facts are you referring to?

 

[Rana]

There is no truth attached to it as I explained. If you want to live in your own world and blame IPL for anything and everything under the sun, that is fine. However, your delusions have no relevance in the real world.

West Indies cricket declined started in the mid to late 90’s, and since the early 2000s, they have been pretty much rubbish in Tests and ODIs.

They have had some isolated success every now and then, but they haven’t had a single stretch of 12-18 months in either format where they have played like a top side.

There could have been a shred of truth to what you said if West Indies were a top Test/ODI side before the emergence of IPL. However, that is not the case at all.

In fact, one can argue that West Indies performance in home Tests over the last few years is actually better than their performances in the early to mid 2000s.

So again - what facts are you referring to?

Everything you say holds no credibility in the real world also.

Why don’t you ask West Indies fans if they believe the IPL has destroyed their cricket or not? I really don’t have time and effort to engage with a man who has consistently lied and spread false propaganda on this forum.

Continue to write essays. Continue to provide us with content that will be exposed in the near future as pure lies and myths. That is your purpose here

 

[Mamoon]

Everything you say holds no credibility in the real world also.

Why don’t you ask West Indies fans if they believe the IPL has destroyed their cricket or not? I really don’t have time and effort to engage with a man who has consistently lied and spread false propaganda on this forum.

Continue to write essays. Continue to provide us with content that will be exposed in the near future as pure lies and myths. That is your purpose here

So no you want me to ask Caribbean cricket fans after I exposed your fictitious narrative which you clearly cannot counter?

Like everywhere else these days, you will find two types of cricket fans in the Caribbean - Test purists and T20 lovers.

The Test pursuits have been disheartened and disappointed with the performances of West Indies for 30 years now.

They have seen the greatest team in the world decline rapidly over a period of 10-15 years. Long, long before IPL was even a thing. Their disappointment has nothing to do with IPL or T20 cricket in general.

Then there is the other end of the spectrum - the new age fans who are heavily invested in T20 cricket and don’t care for Test cricket. That is why you see empty stadiums in Test matches in the Caribbean and relatively packed crowds for T20 cricket.

These fans have seen West Indies lift two World T20s in the IPL era and have seen their players make big names for themselves in franchise cricket.

So again, what facts are you talking about? If a section of West Indies fans is blaming IPL for the decline of West Indies cricket even though West Indies cricket declined horribly years and years before the IPL emerged, then they are delusional just like you.

 

[ishtiaq_ctg]

Everything you say holds no credibility in the real world also.

Why don’t you ask West Indies fans if they believe the IPL has destroyed their cricket or not? I really don’t have time and effort to engage with a man who has consistently lied and spread false propaganda on this forum.

Continue to write essays. Continue to provide us with content that will be exposed in the near future as pure lies and myths. That is your purpose here

West Indies have been rubbish since the late 90s. From 99 onwards, they haven't managed to play a single semifinal of the 50 over worldcup. They've also failed to win a single test series away(Excluding Bangladesh & Zimbabwe) in the last 25 years.

 

[Rana]

According to Mamoon logic, IPL can further damage cricket boards who are already on a decline, and IPL shouldn’t be blamed

 

[shujaatraza]

The point is the truth, no matter how bitter it is. Why do you have a problem with the bitter truth all of a sudden? That’s what you apparently dish out here and are so proud of it.

But Mamoon is right here. It is because of t20 that some younger players are still coming through. Take t20 out and they will be associate level within 7-8 years.

 

[Rana]

But Mamoon is right here. It is because of t20 that some younger players are still coming through. Take t20 out and they will be associate level within 7-8 years.

T20 cricket and IPL are two different things. Pakistan has T20 cricket and doesn’t have IPL. Pakistan is producing plenty of good cricketers even without IPL.

IPL is not a real competition, it’s a massive pay day. This pay day is destroying weak cricket boards when it comes to player availability and player power

 

[MenInG]

Pictures from today:

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

Cricket will miss this cool legends.

Enjoy your retirement!

 

[shah_1]

They have no leader in their batting lineup since Gayle is a finished batsman. Would make no difference

 

[shujaatraza]

T20 cricket and IPL are two different things. Pakistan has T20 cricket and doesn’t have IPL. Pakistan is producing plenty of good cricketers even without IPL.

IPL is not a real competition, it’s a massive pay day. This pay day is destroying weak cricket boards when it comes to player availability and player power

If you look closely it is not actually destroying weak cricket boards. For example a 10 year old today wants to be a cricketer because he sees that he can make $1m usd for 40 days of work in IPL so he works hard to achieve that level. For that he needs to go through WICB channel by playing good club cricket, domestic cricket and then for West Indies to get noticed by IPL franchises. So if he is above average then he gets to make all this money but if he doesn’t make it to that level then he settles as a test player or domestic player for Windies so in reality all these small cricket boards are getting more cricketers coming through the system because of big pay in IPL.
Some 15 years ago when t20 wasnt a thing, Clive Lyod in one of his interviews said that the younger generation now wants to play basketball because of NBA or be an athlete (Bolt) because they see this is where the money is. With t20 and IPL some younger generation is again picking up cricket.
As far as Pakistan is concerned, you are born with 2 things. Love for cricket and chai. It is just by default. Even then I am sure you will agree the number of people who want to pursue cricket as a career only decreases every year. Forget the upper middle or elite class even the middle class doesn’t see cricket as a profession now baring one or two examples.

 

[Inswinging Yorker]

West Indies have been rubbish since the late 90s. From 99 onwards, they haven't managed to play a single semifinal of the 50 over worldcup. They've also failed to win a single test series away(Excluding Bangladesh & Zimbabwe) in the last 25 years.

Yet Pakistan could not beat this rubbish side in a Test Series this year...So you are saying Pakistan is also a rubbish side?)

 

[MenInG]

Seems Gayle Sahib not going anywhere!

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Veteran West Indies cricketer Chris Gayle on Saturday opened up on his retirement, leaving the cricket fraternity with a question over his future following the guard of honour he received from the Australian players in Abu Dhabi. Gayle admitted that he wishes to play another T20 World Cup, but won't be allowed to participate by the Windies cricket board.

The self-acclaimed 'Universe Boss', who turned 42 earlier in September, waved with his bat, soaking in all the appreciation from the crowd after his nine-ball 15 against the Aussies in the T20 World Cup match on Friday before throwing his gloves and signed T-shirts at the crowd. He also received a guard of honour from the Australian players after the game, all of which left world cricket talking about his future in international cricket and whether they have seen the last of Gayle in national colours. However, he admitted that he is not ready to join his teammate Dwayne Bravo in quitting international cricket.

"It's been a phenomenal career. I didn't announce any retirement but they actually give me one game in Jamaica to go in front of my home crowd, then I can say 'hey guys, thank you so much.' Let's see," said Gayle after Australia's eight-wicket win against the West Indies.

"If not, I'll announce it and then I'll be joining DJ Bravo in the backend and say thanks to each and everyone but I can't say that as yet."

Making his debut in 2006 in the T20Is, Gayle has scored 1,899 runs and two centuries. He has also appeared in 103 Tests for West Indies scoring 7214 runs with his highest score of 333 and notched up 10,480 runs in 301 ODIs.

"I've been through a lot of struggle," said Gayle.

“But I've had a phenomenal career. I want to give thanks to actually be standing here today, aged 42 still going strong.”

“I've shed blood, I've shed tears in West Indies cricket, you name it, one leg, one hand.”

He added: "It really hurts bad when we lose games and we don't get the result. I'm gutted inside for the fans, and especially for this World Cup as well."

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cric...ns-up-on-retirement-plan-101636250524617.html

 

[Zaz]

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I've shed blood, I've shed tears in West Indies cricket, you name it, one leg, one hand.”

He added: "It really hurts bad when we lose games and we don't get the result. I'm gutted inside for the fans, and especially for this World Cup as well."

Yes we can see by the pictures how much it hurts

 

[UzmanBeast]

Yes we can see by the pictures how much it hurts

He's come to an end of a majestic career, surely cut him some slack and let him celebrate.

After all, he's unlikely to play in the IPL again, same with DJ Bravo. They'll retire entirely by the end of 2022.

 

[Zaz]

He's come to an end of a majestic career, surely cut him some slack and let him celebrate.

After all, he's unlikely to play in the IPL again, same with DJ Bravo. They'll retire entirely by the end of 2022.

Ive got no time for selfish cricketers who play for themselves rather than the team

If gayle and the likes of bravo had any self respect they wouldnt have agreed to play in this tourney when theyre clearly past it

 

[Inswinging Yorker]

Ive got no time for selfish cricketers who play for themselves rather than the team

If gayle and the likes of bravo had any self respect they wouldnt have agreed to play in this tourney when theyre clearly past it

Do you think the same of Malik and Hafeez being selfish.? Should they have also made themselves unavailable for Pakistan?
Gayle and Bravo did a lot for west Indies cricket, the Board wanted them to have a farewell on the big stage. Without them West indies still would not have qualified for the second round.

 

[UzmanBeast]

Ive got no time for selfish cricketers who play for themselves rather than the team

If gayle and the likes of bravo had any self respect they wouldnt have agreed to play in this tourney when theyre clearly past it

WI management selected them.

Why would you turn down a call to play for your national team?

Had they torn this tournament apart, nobody would be questioning this decision.

 

[MenInG]

This article written before WI announced squads for England and Ireland series, where Gayle is not included.

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THE T20 International between the West Indies and Ireland on January 16 was being touted as the grand farewell for Jamaica and the West Indies’ most prolific T20 batsman, Christopher ‘Henry’ Gayle, however, that reality will not materialise.

The Gleaner has been reliably informed by sources that the ‘Universe Boss’ will not be picked in the West Indies squad to face the Irish in the lone T20 at Sabina Park at 4 p.m. on Sunday, January 16.

The cricket source, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said that pressure has been mounting from some past players who believe the gesture to select Gayle for the one-off T20 is not the right one since the same sentiments were not extended to players of the past, with the name of Shivnarine Chanderpaul being mentioned.

The source went on to add that the West Indies were looking to field their best team for the match against Ireland and that Gayle was not part of those plans.

The latest developments are expected to send shock waves throughout the region and the world as just recently, CWI CEO Johnny Grave said the lone T20 would be a “good opportunity” to say farewell to Gayle on his home ground.

ONE LAST MATCH

Despite a well-below-par and disappointing performance at the ICC T20 World Cup in the United Arab Emirates, Gayle indicated that he would love to play one final match in West Indies colours before his home fans, and according to the source, that one last match might not be a full international.

“What I am hearing is that they want to give Gayle a testimonial match sometime in August when the New Zealand team comes to the Caribbean for a tour as part of the Jamaica 60th Anniversary celebrations.”

https://jamaica-gleaner.com/article/sports/20211230/selectors-quash-gayle-farewell

 

[Zaz]

Do you think the same of Malik and Hafeez being selfish.? Should they have also made themselves unavailable for Pakistan?
Gayle and Bravo did a lot for west Indies cricket, the Board wanted them to have a farewell on the big stage. Without them West indies still would not have qualified for the second round.

I think they same of them These guys are hanging on the detriment of the team results

Weak management is to blame The more successful boards dont bow to pressure or sentiment They pick the best squad going forward and thats reflected in their results

WCB made a joke out of the team in the tourney with their weak insipid selections

 

[wrongun]

I don't think Dwayne Bravo ever did anything of note for WI cricket. A very average player who was good enough to make a living against the domestic plodders of the T20 circuit. Seeya mate.

Gayle was quality and left a good record of achievement across all formats. Better off without him? No, he was world class. But he's too old, yes he needs to retire from internationals, he's
no longer up to snuff and he's never going to be that player again. Renewal is needed.

 

[Pakpak]

Personally I found Gayles laugh and giggle attitude very odd in T20 world cup
His team are being knocked out and the guy is laughing and high fiving the Australians. Even if it was his last game and T20a are mickey mouse. Your team is being knocked out have some respect

 

[PakPremi]

WI need to get rid Of Pollard and Russell too and have some serious and committed player who are actually interested in their national side rather than just their IPL franchise.

 

[Markhor]

WI need to get rid Of Pollard and Russell too and have some serious and committed player who are actually interested in their national side rather than just their IPL franchise.

Pollard as WI captain has the best ODI W/L record since Viv Richards (min 10 matches), winning 12 of 20 matches. Why would they sack him ?

Tactically he's miles ahead of his predecessors and I don't recall him missing many series so his commitment is there.

Russell is permanently unfit and not reliable.