[PICTURE] Are leagues like IPL to blame for the impending downfall of New Zealand Cricket?

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Black Caps as a nation are marking their mark in every realm of sports, be it Rugby, Hockey, Gymnastics or Cricket. But recently, the national team players non chalant attitude toward their cricket board, relinquishing of central contracts and early retirements by players like Mitchel McClenaghan etc. Simply show that everything is not hunky dory for New Zealand cricket and the lucrative leagues like IPL are ruining the beauty of this good sport for them.

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Lol IPL has been on for 17 seasons now.. only now Kiwis are getting affected?
Apparently your argument looks solid bro, but isn't guys like McClenaghan retired back in 2018, and Corey left it too to be part of lucrative leagues some years back
 
Career of cricketers is short especilaly bowlers. So when they have something left in the tank they will try to maximize it by joining these leagues. NZ cricket board is not as rich as Australia. If you look at Mitch Starc he is worth 25 million dollar. He was already rich. Trent Boult estimated net worth 5 million dollar. Both played through the same era.
 
Cricket will go the route of football and that's not a matter of if but when.

It's only a matter of time when the roles will be reversed and it'll be the country's cricket boards who will be seeking NOC's from the league for these players.
 
Williamson is not a guaranteed starter in IPL, so how can you say that’s the definitive reason he is denying the central contract? It could well be he is retiring from white ball cricket.
 
NZ has been outplaying their potential for decades and this time they just took it too casually. Like Pakistan had no warm up games assuming they are giants. Just over confidence took them down.
 
Williamson is not a guaranteed starter in IPL, so how can you say that’s the definitive reason he is denying the central contract? It could well be he is retiring from white ball cricket.
Williamson playing any T20 is a travesty. They have guys like Seifert so many other youngsters. Why are they p laying this dude who scores one impact innings every 25 innings.
 
I was reading somwhere that 9 or 10 members of the NZ starting 11 is over 30 yrs of age. Thats the reason right there why they are performing badly - it’s an ageing team & they need new blood.
 
All central contracts across all countries should be abolished and cricket board should just pay match fees and winning bonus. The money saved can be invested.
 
I was reading somwhere that 9 or 10 members of the NZ starting 11 is over 30 yrs of age. Thats the reason right there why they are performing badly - it’s an ageing team & they need new blood.
I think they lost T20 series to bangladesh at home.
 
If anything IPL is a major factor for keeping cricket alive in countries like New Zealand, South Africa

Imagine if you are a young athlete in NZ or South Africa. Why wud u want to become a cricketer when you can get paid much more in rugby compared to what cricketers get in these nations. The only motivation to become a cricketer wud be the chance to land a fat IPL contract

A big reason for decline of West Indies cricket in the 90s & 2000s was bcoz youngsters were more like to pursue football or basketball in the hope of landing a lucrative contract in EPL or NBA
 
Kiwis won the WTC trophy and reached the ODI World Cup finals, performing well in every tournament beyond their capacity. Yeah, blame the IPL. Lol.
 
They reached 3 icc finals since 2018, they didn't miss those guys at all. Warra downfall
But lol wasn't it IPL which turned the big stars like Rachin and D. Mitchell into poor performers in WC 2024. That also in just under 6 months from CWC 2023.
 
If anything IPL is a major factor for keeping cricket alive in countries like New Zealand, South Africa

Imagine if you are a young athlete in NZ or South Africa. Why wud u want to become a cricketer when you can get paid much more in rugby compared to what cricketers get in these nations. The only motivation to become a cricketer wud be the chance to land a fat IPL contract

A big reason for decline of West Indies cricket in the 90s & 2000s was bcoz youngsters were more like to pursue football or basketball in the hope of landing a lucrative contract in EPL or NBA
Totally, now West Indies cricket is making a comeback in T20s only because of IPL and other leagues.
 
All central contracts across all countries should be abolished and cricket board should just pay match fees and winning bonus. The money saved can be invested.
Good point, but if the central contracts are too lucrative like Cricket Australia then players hardly turn their back.
 
You have to consistently perform to survive in leagues. One bad season and you either automatically get downgraded next season or even go unsold, unpicked. Being a T-20 free lancer is very risky and requires you to be a consistent performer.
 
No, NZ just got caught against a Afghanistan team in spinning conditions. One slipp and you can be out of the tournament just like Pakistan losing to USA
 
Totally, now West Indies cricket is making a comeback in T20s only because of IPL and other leagues.
Exactly. IPL has actually created a mini resurgence for cricket in West Indies as many young athletes dream of landing that IPL bonanza like Chris Gayle & Andre Russel

Else playing 2nd division football in England is better career option than playing international cricket for West Indies
 
You have to consistently perform to survive in leagues. One bad season and you either automatically get downgraded next season or even go unsold, unpicked. Being a T-20 free lancer is very risky and requires you to be a consistent performer.
wIndians do it all the time , Look at Naraine, Pollard , Russel..
 
Kane williamson has to completely alter the game to get picked up by IPL teams. He cannot tuk tuk and expect big money.
 
The truth is world cricket survives bcoz of India's financial muscle. Else it wud have got long relegated into an amateur sport like squash , snooker , lacrosse. Basically played in some country clubs & neighborhoods as a leisure.

In most countries like England, Australia, South Africa, New Zealand- cricket on its own can never compete with more popular sports like football in England, AFL & NRL in Australia, rugby in NZ & SA. The only reason they can compete for talent is due to the financial bonanza from India. The likes of Pat Cummins, Mitchell Starc , Kagiso Rabada, Trent Boult wud be most likely playing rugby or AFL today if India was not so obsessed with cricket
 
Honestly , NZ cricket is a drop in the world of int cricket. They should look at expanding the game in Africa, USA, and even China - which have way bigger populations and even a fraction of that in those countries will be way more than NZ
 
You have to consistently perform to survive in leagues. One bad season and you either automatically get downgraded next season or even go unsold, unpicked. Being a T-20 free lancer is very risky and requires you to be a consistent performer.
Amir and Imad were on same spree, so some West Indians but in the long term its inimical for cricket of respective countries as already evident from WI cricket example who look non existent in longer formats like ODI and Tests
 
wIndians do it all the time , Look at Naraine, Pollard , Russel..

These guys must be performing consistently then.

Umar Akmal used to get picked in the BPL, CPL, Sri Lankan League but then lost his market value once his performances dipped.
 
Bigger question is will we see Pakistani players opt for this route?
 
If anything IPL is a major factor for keeping cricket alive in countries like New Zealand, South Africa

Imagine if you are a young athlete in NZ or South Africa. Why wud u want to become a cricketer when you can get paid much more in rugby compared to what cricketers get in these nations. The only motivation to become a cricketer wud be the chance to land a fat IPL contract

A big reason for decline of West Indies cricket in the 90s & 2000s was bcoz youngsters were more like to pursue football or basketball in the hope of landing a lucrative contract in EPL or NBA
This is a good point actually. It's potentially even a factor for some associate players too
 
Good point, but if the central contracts are too lucrative like Cricket Australia then players hardly turn their back.
Yeah but good cricketers make good money anyway. If we want contracts than that should be for the under 16, under 19 talented kids who are unknown to the world.
 
Giant of the game like Kane Williamson warming the bench in IPL just did not give the right message , NZ apathy towards international cricket came to haunt them but the good thing is unlike Pakistan they will take this seriously
 
I believe New Zealand weren't prepared this time. They didn't seem focused. IPL probably caused fatigues too.
 
Black Caps as a nation are marking their mark in every realm of sports, be it Rugby, Hockey, Gymnastics or Cricket. But recently, the national team players non chalant attitude toward their cricket board, relinquishing of central contracts and early retirements by players like Mitchel McClenaghan etc. Simply show that everything is not hunky dory for New Zealand cricket and the lucrative leagues like IPL are ruining the beauty of this good sport for them.

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I smell jealousy … because our PSL cant do remotely 1/10th what IPL does?
 
On the contrary, because of IPL at least NZ and WI young generation has taken up cricket (T20) as they see it a an earning potential like NBA or NFL outside their countries because their boards cant provide that kind of money.
If there was no IPL, then NZ as well as WI cricket would probably drowned due to lack of $$$$.

Anyway its easy for narcissistic to blame IPL... ignoring the fact that since IPL started NZ has reached ODI World cup final twice, won test championship and performed quite well in T20 World cups. WI has infact won T20 World cups after IPL started. So wonder if blame for cricket downfall is given to IPL ,why is it not given credit when players succeed for their countries after playing IPL.

But ya blame that downfall on IPL ;) participation. On other hand at the same time lets also blame non participation of Pakistani players in IPL ,as reason for their T20 WC first round exit loosing to H1B visa team.

So if you play in IPL it is responsible for your cricket degrading, but even if you don't play in IPL it is still responsible for your cricket degrading.
 
On the contrary, because of IPL at least NZ and WI young generation has taken up cricket (T20) as they see it a an earning potential like NBA or NFL outside their countries because their boards cant provide that kind of money.
If there was no IPL, then NZ as well as WI cricket would probably drowned due to lack of $$$$.

Anyway its easy for narcissistic to blame IPL... ignoring the fact that since IPL started NZ has reached ODI World cup final twice, won test championship and performed quite well in T20 World cups. WI has infact won T20 World cups after IPL started. So wonder if blame for cricket downfall is given to IPL ,why is it not given credit when players succeed for their countries after playing IPL.

But ya blame that downfall on IPL ;) participation. On other hand at the same time lets also blame non participation of Pakistani players in IPL ,as reason for their T20 WC first round exit loosing to H1B visa team.

So if you play in IPL it is responsible for your cricket degrading, but even if you don't play in IPL it is still responsible for your cricket degrading.

Its ok PSL is soo much better … with great players like azam tiger khan and corey anderson and great king babar azam
 
Its ok PSL is soo much better … with great players like azam tiger khan and corey anderson and great king babar azam
Call it whatever you want, but it's a fact that IPL not only ruining cricket but also flopping top performers. What about IPL top scorer Kohli? How he is doing this WC leave alone Rachin, Daryl Mitchell, Finn Allen, Conway etc
 
Call it whatever you want, but it's a fact that IPL not only ruining cricket but also flopping top performers. What about IPL top scorer Kohli? How he is doing this WC leave alone Rachin, Daryl Mitchell, Finn Allen, Conway etc
Kohli has headlined 2 world T20s by winning MoS.

He single handedly won India the match at Melbourne last time.

He was playing IPL then as well.

Every member of the Indian team plays the IPL, you seem to single out only the ones who haven't performed.

How many matches did Rachin or Conway or Allen play this IPL?
 
I would say it has more to do with how less NZ cricketers are paid and the general trend of players wanting to maximize their earnings towards the tail end of their professional careers.

In the window in which IPL happens, international cricket isn't usually going on anyway. This is being done so these guys can target leagues like ILT20 and SA20, both of which take place during NZ's home season, and are the most lucrative leagues now after IPL. But also MLC, Hundred, CPL, PSL etc.

Not having a central contract doesn't bound you to anything or force you to play in meaningless 5 match T20 bilaterals.
 
Black Caps as a nation are marking their mark in every realm of sports, be it Rugby, Hockey, Gymnastics or Cricket. But recently, the national team players non chalant attitude toward their cricket board, relinquishing of central contracts and early retirements by players like Mitchel McClenaghan etc. Simply show that everything is not hunky dory for New Zealand cricket and the lucrative leagues like IPL are ruining the beauty of this good sport for them.

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downfall is a stretch dont u think, they lost to Windies and Afghanistan. The only problem was because of IPL they could not have any warm up games. their players are making less money than Pak players so obviously to keep their talent their board has to allow for players to play in leagues. Rest assured Kane Willaimson will still be playing test cricket and giving it his all unlike Bobsy king
 
New Zealand's downfall was because they blindly kept backing Conway, Williamson and Bracewell despite having superior alternatives back home.

It's got nothing to do with any league.

You can't keep backing players who have been frauds for a long time and then expect anything different. At some point , they will get exposed.
 
Nope, Seeing how Saffers are playing nope.
T20 leagues have helped saffers finally qualify for semis after 10 years.
 
New Zealand's downfall was because they blindly kept backing Conway, Williamson and Bracewell despite having superior alternatives back home.

It's got nothing to do with any league.

You can't keep backing players who have been frauds for a long time and then expect anything different. At some point , they will get exposed.
Wait how is Williamson, Conway and Bracewell frauds?

Neither of them are t20 players and neither are in form, but they haven't committed any frauds.

It's the NZ board that backs them, if you drop them they won't care or cause a hissyfit.

Their not babar dosti yaari club lol that use social media as marketing and conspiracy propaganda.

The board is at fault for being way too relaxed and allowing players to have a choice between league and national duty and consistently backing the old and expired Guns.
 
Call it whatever you want, but it's a fact that IPL not only ruining cricket but also flopping top performers. What about IPL top scorer Kohli? How he is doing this WC leave alone Rachin, Daryl Mitchell, Finn Allen, Conway etc

Rachin and Finn Allen aren't even IPL regulars :lol:
 
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No pakistanis play IPL. 1-2 Bangladeshi play IPL.

While all Indians, most of the Saffers Afghans and Englishmen play the IPL.

This constant cribbing about the IPL and trying to pull it down isn't going to work.
 
I think it’s the regular games against Pakistan, they haven’t improved NZ at all
This is a decent point.

NZ have been playing Pakistan like every other month. They are like what SL were to India a decade back.

Even when IPL was going on and no other Int cricket was happening, there was a NZ team touring Pakistan.
 
Afghans have supreme belief due to IPL.. so many of their players play IPL to the fullest and difference is visible now they are beating top teams.
 
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