[PICTURE] Has the time come for India to quit International Cricket temporarily in a world where no one appreciates us anymore?

[Bhaijaan]

Pakistanis hate us
English hate us

We used to think Kiwis, South Africans were our friends but after Champions Trophy 2025, it’s been seen that even they have started hating us.

From being the sweetheart of the cricketing world back in the day to the most hated cricket nation on the planet, our journey has been one of walking on broken glasses with a broken heart.

Should we quit international cricket forever if they think they can do better without us and we are the biggest reason this game is not the romance it once was.

These are the genuine thoughts in my mind these days as a genuine lover of the game who thinks of himself as a proud member of the international cricketing community. Unfortunately from last few months i have started to feel unwelcome’d in this community I thought was a brotherhood. No genuine liver of the game can sleep well at night knowing that his country is the throw for joy and a heartbreaker for many.

Maybe it is time for a hiatus.
Maybe we only play IPL for a while and leave international cricket to other nations who can take it forward for the time being. Once they’re ready to welcome us we will be honoured to be back.

 

[Kianig89]

May be Shami though,it's Ramadan so better state the obvious

 

[Bhaijaan]

@jnaveen1980 @Devadwal @Romali_rotti @cricketjoshila @Varun @RexRex @kron @jusarrived @rahulrulezz @RahulBose @Rajdeep @Tera Gawaandi @pratiktc @gani999

 

[Kianig89]

RvVD the one from IPL's feeder league ala SAt20

 

[DeadlyVenom]

I think the break up of international cricket is inevitable. Indians actually revel in their so called might. We recently had Gavaskar tell Nasser and Atherton to stop being critical because India supposedly pays their wages.

I don't think this great sport has long left in it's current form. The next era will be a hyper commercialised version of cricket - rigged for the benefit of Indians and Indians fans.

They may be like squid games and get some people to fight to death ( in a cricketing sense) for the titillation of Indian audience with one or two planted Indian players- but it won't be a fair sport.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

What paina me further is the attitude of Indians. Recently in football we had plans for European Super League...rigged in favour of the big clubs.

You know what stopped it - fans of those clubs themselves protested saying it destroyed heritage and is unfair.

Contrast to Indian attitude.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

I think the break up of international cricket is inevitable. Indians actually revel in their so called might. We recently had Gavaskar tell Nasser and Atherton to stop being critical because India supposedly pays their wages.

I don't think this great sport has long left in it's current form. The next era will be a hyper commercialised version of cricket - rigged for the benefit of Indians and Indians fans.

They may be like squid games and get some people to fight to death ( in a cricketing sense) for the titillation of Indian audience with one or two planted Indian players- but it won't be a fair sport.

That was quite a foolish remark from Gavaskar. It just goes to show how money can influence some people's thinking.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

From being the sweetheart of the cricketing world back in the day to the most hated cricket nation on the planet, our journey has been one of walking on broken glasses with a broken heart.

 

[FearlessRoar]

Yes please

 

[LongHorn]

What paina me further is the attitude of Indians. Recently in football we had plans for European Super League...rigged in favour of the big clubs.

You know what stopped it - fans of those clubs themselves protested saying it destroyed heritage and is unfair.

Contrast to Indian attitude.

Maybe because India is more successful in cricket than any of those super clubs in Football

There is a reason why India has so many more world cups and champions trophies than any other side

 

[Devadwal]

" the more success you have, the more haters/trolls you have"

We Indian are More than enough for them , let's them cry as much they can

I loveing this meltdown by certain section of fans .this is a jealously.

 

[nish_mate]

With great powers come great responsibilities....

Except when it comes to East Pakistan, squash the bug gers....

 

[Shaka81]

Wow! Indians throwing their toys out the proverbial pram!

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

 

[RidiculousMan]

I'm actually waiting for a time when League Cricket takes over the world. Where international matches apart from World Cup don't mean much and the large part of interest is in various leagues around the world.

It maybe a wishful thinking but it is something I really want to happen to Cricket.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Indian fans these days be like:

 

[Devadwal]

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Does make any difference?

 

[The Bald Eagle]

" the more success you have, the more haters/trolls you have"

We Indian are More than enough for them , let's them cry as much they can

I loveing this meltdown by certain section of fans .this is a jealously.

A bit off topic but

@Rajdeep now you know the reason behind Muslims victim everywhere

 

[Devadwal]

Indian fans these days be like:

 

[shah9425]

Yeah please this will be good for cricket

Play your useless IPL

 

[kron]

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No one cares dude. Support whoever you want. Choker
Loser haha
Killer miller
Yea right in match losing causes lel

I can’t hate SA though. Love SA. Missus is from SA so yea.

 

[kron]

And no we ain’t going nowhere

I love more haters
Please hate
More salty tears

 

[jamie smith]

Yeah I don't mind them quitting.

 

[Major]

Indians thinking they are the Australians of the 90s and 2000s. Lol

Indian cricket is disliked due to ICC. ICC doesnt regulate the sport properly and bendsover to BCCI too much. BCCI discriminates, chooses pitches of their liking in games, and now have decided to play games in the country and ground of their liking.

I dont mind indian cricketers standing up to other cricketers. That i like about india, no more Andre Nel making indian bowlers and batters look like fools

 

[mominsaigol]

I'm only pinging proper posters and not trolls who will irritate me further and ruin this discussion.

@Hitman @Bhaijaan @Rajdeep @Nikhil_cric @topspin @Rana @emranabbas @RedwoodOriginal @Major @daytrader @TheSultan @shaz619 @deltexas @Aqib_mustafa @sweep_shot @RidiculousMan @ExpressPacer


Tbf BCCI has more or less killed interest in cricket due to IPL. Bi laterals have become a joke and eventually their will come a time where people will get sick of the yearly tournament format.

Many are already getting tired of Tournaments like CT, and the status of odi cricket is not certain beyond 2027. The odi format is dying due to lack of support.

It also doesn't help that since the inception of cricket, they've only been 3 to 5 relevant teams with the other 8 to 10 being minnows.

Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, West indies, Pakistan's, Zimbabwe, Ireland and others cricket is dead or dying. The new generation just isn't interested. Pakistan is the only exception as they have a loyal fan based but even that fan base isn't interested in test cricket anymore excluding old gen.

Only t20 or odi.

Other countries that could have fixed cricket won't ever play the format. USA, China, Europe won't play and hence cricket is just never going to become football.

In the next 10 years, Cricket is going to be dominated by India with NZ, Aus, Eng and SA only being the realistic competition. Afghanistan is currently in their purple patch mode due to bcci support but in 5 to 10 years they too will be finished. The war torn country just isn't good enough to have a realistic future in cricket.

So overall you have a sport that only has 5 teams in total with the other teams just being dil khush rakhnei walei teams, + yearly tournaments.

The yearly tournaments feel more of a desperate attempt to keep the sport relevant rather then a genuine interest in loyal fans.

overall you have a sport in which no one outside 5 teams are interested in test cricket, No one is interested in odi cricket outside CT and WC, and no one is interested in t20 cricket outside franchise and t20 wc.

^^ Eventually this too will fade coming down the line. The Olympics won't bring any relevancy either.

I just don't see cricket as an international sport surviving in the next 50 to 100 years unless serious changes are made.

The proof is in the papers.

A) Australia vanished 5 of their crucial players along with 2 of their best batters Marsh and Travis sitting out all together to rest for BGT, even though it was a crucial decider and aus had to protect the idea of Pakistan winning in their home den after nearly 20 years. The fact that they didn't give a damn speaks volume about odi.

B) NZ never sending their full strength team to face Pakistan due to IPL money.

C) India always resting big guns against teams like Bangladesh, Sri Lanka in bi laterals. And even England. 10 years ago the idea wouldn't be feasible as they had a reputation to protect. Now? Who cares if they lose a series to Bangladesh? No one.

D) Many players vanishing from CT, Some of them like starc pulling out just for the lolz. He claims it's due personal reasons, but never explained what they were? Similarly bumrah is fully fit. He could have been in the team and played the knockouts, but he isn't cause India just doesn't care. Their valuing England test series over CT lol.

E) WC 2024 was a failure from marketing perspective. The idea was to generate interest within the us market and bring teams like us, Canada, uganda etc yet it didn't make a single difference beyond Pakistan managing to somewhat humilate themsleves vs usa, which wasn't USA. It's basically Bootleg Pak/wi/india vs pk. America wasn't even aware that a tournament was happening.

F) Cricket tried to get wwe to sponsor them during RR 24. That sponsor failed. Out of all their sponsors, this sponsor attracted the least amount of interest compared to other sponsors like Prime.

G) WTC is a good format as it revived interest in test cricket, but only for SA and NZ. Eng, aus and India have always taken it seriously. It did absolutely nothing for WI, Bangladesh, Pakistan and the rest. Besides Pakistan, the others don't care and Bangladesh gave up competing a long time ago. Pakistan just sucks tbf.

^^ Its just not feasible. I'm not blaming BCCI. But bcci is more of a board that's managing to use its population to keep this spirt alive and afloat. It's not a board that turning cricket into a powerhouse by any means. It's just a captain of a sinking ship.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

When Australia was at its prime, winning trophies left, right, and center for fun, they didn't care what fans from other countries thought about them. India, on the other hand, has just won an ICC trophy after a gap of 10 years and is on the verge of winning another trophy in four days time. This is not the time to quit but to win more trophies and try to reach the same level that Australia had reached.

In WWE terms, Australia was the champion in a Ruthless Aggression era, whereas India is achieving success in a PG Era, where it can break down pretty easily.

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

Indians thinking they are the Australians of the 90s and 2000s. Lol

Indian cricket is disliked due to ICC. ICC doesnt regulate the sport properly and bendsover to BCCI too much. BCCI discriminates, chooses pitches of their liking in games, and now have decided to play games in the country and ground of their liking.

I dont mind indian cricketers standing up to other cricketers. That i like about india, no more Andre Nel making indian bowlers and batters look like fools

India is definitely more dominant like the Australia of 90s, but not as invincible as the Australia of 2000s.

Gradually, we have brought down the W/L margin against Pakistan. I have noticed a username @W63L35 ( that's actually Pakistan's ODI win loss record against India 2 decades ago) Since then, the tally has become W73L58
Maybe the mods should allow an update of that username.

 

[Devadwal]

When Australia was at its prime, winning trophies left, right, and center for fun, they didn't care what fans from other countries thought about them. India, on the other hand, has just won an ICC trophy after a gap of 10 years and is on the verge of winning another trophy in four days time. This is not the time to quit but to win more trophies and try to reach the same level that Australia had reached.

In WWE terms, Australia was the champion in a Ruthless Aggression era, whereas India is achieving success in a PG Era, where it can break down pretty easily.

Yes india didn't need sandpaper or cheating to win like australia

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

When Australia was at its prime, winning trophies left, right, and center for fun, they didn't care what fans from other countries thought about them. India, on the other hand, has just won an ICC trophy after a gap of 10 years and is on the verge of winning another trophy in four days time. This is not the time to quit but to win more trophies and try to reach the same level that Australia had reached.

In WWE terms, Australia was the champion in a Ruthless Aggression era, whereas India is achieving success in a PG Era, where it can break down pretty easily.

Thanks for the advise, neighbour. We are trying and hoping for the best!

 

[Bhaijaan]

We murdered the very soul of cricket. Broke the heart of every cricket fan in the world and inflicted sadness upon the entire brotherhood.

 

[Kianig89]

To say it in WWE terms, BCCI thinks they are some mythical God

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Thanks for the advise, neighbour. We are trying and hoping for the best!

 

[Bhaijaan]

I encourage every Non Bharatiya to vent it in this thread. I promise you this is a safe place.
We are sorry for everything we have done to ruin your feelings

 

[Rajdeep]

Cricket without India is not feasable. If it was, PCB would not have bow down and accepted the hybrid model.

If England is so upset, why did ECB made the comment that there cant be any Champions Trophy without India?

Why are CA dying to have a Ind vs Pak test match in MCG? Sabko Indian paisa chahiye.

England is suppose to play 5 test matches against India this summer. Except Ashes and India, they dnt play 5 test matches with any other teams. They want to make a stand? Reduce it to 2 test series like they do when teams like Pak or SL tours. But no, at that time they need Indian money for full 5 games.

Also, what benefit ICC has given to BCCI? They follow same method as any other teams in all other ICC events. For this CT, Indian govt didnt allow the team to travel to Pakistan and there is nothing BCCI can do. ICC/PCB could have hosted the tournament without India no? But nehi...phir se Indian paisa chahiye. So this hybrid model was next best thing ICC could have done. Admittedly it is not ideal but there was no other choice. Afterall no one can force Indian team to visit Pakistan, isn't it?

Also, amidst all these we are forgetting the main thing why Indian govt dnt want to send its team to Pakistan or dnt want any bilateral cricket. It is due to terrorism. Pakistan would do well if they listen to Donald Trump and extradite the Mumbai attack masterminds to India to face justice. Do it, make a stand and then if Indian govt still refuses to engage with Pakistan in cricket, by all means blame India. Hain Himmat?

The comments made by Gavaskar and others are cringe. They reek arrogance and I dnt necessarily agree to them. However, India is to cricket world what USA is to real world. There is also a touch of racism why gora boards cant tolerate the rise of India in cricket.

Rajdeep.

 

[Major]

India is definitely more dominant like the Australia of 90s, but not as invincible as the Australia of 2000s.

Gradually, we have brought down the W/L margin against Pakistan. I have noticed a username @W63L35 ( that's actually Pakistan's ODI win loss record against India 2 decades ago) Since then, the tally has become W73L58
Maybe the mods should allow an update of that username.

Just so you know, Australia won 1999, 2003, 2007 World cup.

So dont even try to compare India to the Australia of the 90s. They are not even worth their shoe.

and yes that w63 guy has a weird username, should be called Huskerfan or something

 

[salman24]

When Australia was at its prime, winning trophies left, right, and center for fun, they didn't care what fans from other countries thought about them. India, on the other hand, has just won an ICC trophy after a gap of 10 years and is on the verge of winning another trophy in four days time. This is not the time to quit but to win more trophies and try to reach the same level that Australia had reached.

In WWE terms, Australia was the champion in a Ruthless Aggression era, whereas India is achieving success in a PG Era, where it can break down pretty easily.

You will never be like Australia. They never chose their venues and took control of the ICC to use every advantage possible. That was a real champion team.

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

To say it in WWE terms, BCCI thinks they are some mythical God

Money speaks in every dimension of the world. And every powerful player skews the rules in their favor.
Olympics basically has American and European sports only, Commonwealth keeps deleting sports where England, Aussies and Canada are not getting medals, F1 is practically in Europe, FIFA is basically a European enterprise, baseball rules are dictated by USA, hockey is controlled by Europeans.
Cricket was a monopoly of England and Australia till India and Pakistan won the world Cups and pushed for more say as an Asian Bloc in the 90s.
Pakistan and PCB actually had the resources to challenge the growing might BCCI or even ally together to make the sport even bigger. But alas, politics takes center stage. Pakistan has been trying to sabotage India's growth wherever and whenever it could and India has been doing the same. Blaming BCCI and India is too simplistic of a narrative here.

Honestly, the boycott of Pakistani players after Mumbai attacks was something not appreciated by genuine fans. Pakistan just allowed the animosity to fester, (plenty of posts in Timepass forum which shows the inner glee of Pakistanis about the Mumbai attacks.) and BJP and BCCI was able to show that IPL and Indian cricket can simply discard any linkage with Pakistan cricket and still grow.

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

You will never be like Australia. They never chose their venues and took control of the ICC to use every advantage possible. That was a real champion team.

When are we comparing Bangladesh to Australia bhai??

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

Just so you know, Australia won 1999, 2003, 2007 World cup.

So dont even try to compare India to the Australia of the 90s. They are not even worth their shoe.

and yes that w63 guy has a weird username, should be called Huskerfan or something

most of the 90s bhai, the invincible Aussies started by the end of the 90s decade into 2000s .
India as of now is perfectly dominant like the other top eras except the invicibile Aussies from 99-2007

 

[Kianig89]

Money speaks in every dimension of the world. And every powerful player skews the rules in their favor.
Olympics basically has American and European sports only, Commonwealth keeps deleting sports where England, Aussies and Canada are not getting medals, F1 is practically in Europe, FIFA is basically a European enterprise, baseball rules are dictated by USA, hockey is controlled by Europeans.
Cricket was a monopoly of England and Australia till India and Pakistan won the world Cups and pushed for more say as an Asian Bloc in the 90s.
Pakistan and PCB actually had the resources to challenge the growing might BCCI or even ally together to make the sport even bigger. But alas, politics takes center stage. Pakistan has been trying to sabotage India's growth wherever and whenever it could and India has been doing the same. Blaming BCCI and India is too simplistic of a narrative here.

Honestly, the boycott of Pakistani players after Mumbai attacks was something not appreciated by genuine fans. Pakistan just allowed the animosity to fester, (plenty of posts in Timepass forum which shows the inner glee of Pakistanis about the Mumbai attacks.) and BJP and BCCI was able to show that IPL and Indian cricket can simply discard any linkage with Pakistan cricket and still grow.

And does that mean India plays all its games in Dubai , try to make sense where is the level playing field , forget Pakistan there were 6 other teams and most of them have raised this point. ENG, Aus & SA

 

[Major]

most of the 90s bhai, the invincible Aussies started by the end of the 90s decade into 2000s .
India as of now is perfectly dominant like the other top eras except the invicibile Aussies from 99-2007

lol they is no such thing. Either you are like the invicible aussies of the 90s and 2000s or you are not.
No one cares about the second best teams like the Saffers of the 2000s were, or how NZ are now.

 

[Kianig89]

lol they is no such thing. Either you are like the invicible aussies of the 90s and 2000s or you are not.
No one cares about the second best teams like the Saffers of the 2000s were, or how NZ are now.

The invincibles got blanked by NZ in their own yard 6 months ago :roman

 

[Devadwal]

lol they is no such thing. Either you are like the invicible aussies of the 90s and 2000s or you are not.
No one cares about the second best teams like the Saffers of the 2000s were, or how NZ are now.

The invincibles got blanked by NZ in their own yard 6 months ago :ro

India has 2nd highest ICC trophy after australia.

Where is Pakistan standing?? Losing to USA and Ireland , Afghanistan ,Zimbabwe etc?

Knockout from the groups stages in recent ICC event's .

Look at own mirror first

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

lol they is no such thing. Either you are like the invicible aussies of the 90s and 2000s or you are not.
No one cares about the second best teams like the Saffers of the 2000s were, or how NZ are now.

Well, we arent like the invincibles bhai. I hope we can be but we are not their yet.
We have the resources to be able to match Australia trophy count by the end of the decade. Let's see what happens.

 

[Major]

India has 2nd highest ICC trophy after australia.

Where is Pakistan standing?? Losing to USA and Ireland , Afghanistan ,Zimbabwe etc?

Knockout from the groups stages in recent ICC event's .

Look at own mirror first

what has this got to do with Pakistan?

 

[Major]

Well, we arent like the invincibles bhai. I hope we can be but we are not their yet.
We have the resources to be able to match Australia trophy count by the end of the decade. Let's see what happens.

That i agree with. Just joking man

 

[mominsaigol]

Just so you know, Australia won 1999, 2003, 2007 World cup.

So dont even try to compare India to the Australia of the 90s. They are not even worth their shoe.

and yes that w63 guy has a weird username, should be called Huskerfan or something

Classic Australia murders this current India side. I said it in 2023, said it in 2024, said it in 2025.

In a test and odi series, classic Australia is casually winning. Indian bowlers are not good enough to challenge aussie batters besides bumrah who's a bit of a problem.

10 overs of mcgrath are absolute hell for guys like an aged rohit, A vulnerable aged kohli who can't play in the 3rd offstump line for the life of him and mcgrath literally bowled on that line 24/7, Gill's lack of footwork is another issue to deal with mcgrath.

Sheryas can't deal with Lee or gillispie who will literally bounce him out and the rest of their batters can't handle warne.

Classic Australia are the best players of pace all time and freakishly good players of spin.

As for test? No contest, it's an even bigger thrashing then odi.

I'm saying this as a neutral, A hypothetical ATG Australia is killing any team in history.

I can only think of atg wi taking them on.

Atg Aus > ATG Wi > ATG india > the rest

 

[jamie smith]

India has 2nd highest ICC trophy after australia.

Where is Pakistan standing?? Losing to USA and Ireland , Afghanistan ,Zimbabwe etc?

Knockout from the groups stages in recent ICC event's .

Look at own mirror first

India has also lost against kenya,zimbabwe etc.

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

India has also lost against kenya,zimbabwe etc.

Do we need a reality check of statsguru here?
One off losses over decades v/s literal dip in performance

 

[Hikaru]

PP needs to honor Bhaijaan for these gems he keeps throwing since forever. Absolute legend.

 

[Devadwal]

Using australia success against india is best things for wannabe fans to prove a point. Talk about own team performance rather than depending on others.

 

[rpant_gabba]

I'm only pinging proper posters and not trolls who will irritate me further and ruin this discussion.
[B]@Bhaijaan[/B]

LMAO.

I'm seriously questioning your intelligence at this point.

 

[jamie smith]

Using australia success against india is best things for wannabe fans to prove a point. Talk about own team performance rather than depending on others.

Thread is about India.

 

[mominsaigol]

Well, we arent like the invincibles bhai. I hope we can be but we are not their yet.
We have the resources to be able to match Australia trophy count by the end of the decade. Let's see what happens.

Current india gets mauled by classic wi and classic aus in an odi and test match. It's not even close.

You would need an ATG India to actually take them on amd have a good brawl. But if you pair ATG india aka all players at their best in prime. They would get mauled by an ATG Australia or an ATG wi especially if it's a test match since prime Steve Smith and Prime Bradman make the team pretty much unbeatable. Add in 2001 Hayden and 2006 Ponting, pretty much any team is toast.

This current Indian side couldn't beat current NZ at home and lost to possibly one of the weakest aussie sides since Khawaja and Konstas are a joke opening pair, Smith was still in the process of finding his old form, Labu was damn near useless, and Travis head in test cricket is a one hit wonder, similar to fakhar zaman in odi.

Only the bowling is good but the bowling isn't as good at classic aus.

In odi it's more even depending on conditons, but 10 overs of Mcgrath constantly bowling at 3rd offstump line to 3 players (Gill, 2025 rohit, 2025 Kohli) who cannot under any circumstances play that line for the life of em, even though they are consistently exposed to it, essentially means death.

Sheryas would not be able to handle Lee or gillispie who would bounce him out and if the series is played in aus then sheryas is useless. Rahul, Pandya and jadeja ain't doing a damn thing, although to their credit, they might be able to survive against mchrath a bit longer due to being slightly better at that line.

These 3 are clearly worse batters then rohit, Gill and kohli but these 3 especially kohli has become a comedian against that 3rd offstump line which mcgrath is the king of spamming.

 

[mominsaigol]

LMAO.

I'm seriously questioning your intelligence at this point.

@Bhaijaan is a proper poster and can have solid discussions when he isnt in troll mode which he is 24/7 with most people for some reason.

He has intellectual conversations with me though. Idk why he trolls others though, but that's his business.

 

[jamie smith]

TLDR
Hypotheticals will remain hypotheticals and we can spin the fan fiction as per our desire. The only solid thing is Wins and trophies and India lags behind the invincible Aussies. That's a fact. If anyone can even hope to come close to Aussies its only India.

Can't comment on the WI of 70s and 80s. They were deadly yes, but I also noticed in my analysis of impact of neutral umpiring. WI and Pakistan had the most biased home umpiring advantage before the neutral umpire era.

Atg pak and atg WI smashed atg India to all corners.

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

Atg pak and atg WI smashed atg India to all corners.

The so called ATG Pakistan needs pepsi bottle caps and home umpires!
ATG India is mostly the Indian team from last decade.

 

[jamie smith]

No they are not.

70's WI beats 90's Aus in a test and odi match.

But ATG aus vs ATG wi, aka best 11 for each format at their absolute peak and atg wi is losing.

In tests 2014-2020 Steve smith, Bradman, 2001 hayden, 2006 ponting, Prime gilly and Border/waugh ensure An absolute slaugtherfest for WI lol. They'd get outbatted, bowling wise both teams are equal.

In odi it's tougher but atg aus is slightly superior imo.

Viv and Clive are enough for ATG Aus.

 

[jamie smith]

The so called ATG Pakistan needs pepsi bottle caps and home umpires!
ATG India is mostly the Indian team from last decade.

Wasim,Waqar and Shoaib are enough to wreck ur atg hindustan.

 

[jamie smith]

No they are not. Viv is the only batter who's > everyone on the list except Bradman. Clive is lower then Steve smith in test cricket.

Even if you use the whole bat quality, lack of protection and no helmet arguments to justify the avg, it doesn't change the fact that he eas a circus clown in NZ and Pakistani conditons unlike smith.

Irrespective of the era, an avg of 15 is pathetic in any country. Steve smith is comfortably the better test cricketer then Lyod and tbf, so is Ponting at absolute peak since hes > lyod in every conditon except India.

Pak umpires were biased.
Averages in pak can't be taken seriously.

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

Wasim,Waqar and Shoaib are enough to wreck ur atg hindustan.

Bottle caps needed sir!
and these trio couldnt dominate the mediocre Indian team of the 90s where we only had Sachin or bust. Let's forget about them dominating the better generation of players.

 

[jamie smith]

Bottle caps needed sir!
and these trio couldnt dominate the mediocre Indian team of the 90s where we only had Sachin or bust. Let's forget about them dominating the better generation of players.

First see the bilateral record and then comment.

 

[mominsaigol]

Pak umpires were biased.
Averages in pak can't be taken seriously.

Umpires being biased is one thing, being a circus clown is another. No one is telling Clive to miss the ball and have it hit your pads or mistime shots and get out or be clean bowled.

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

First see the bilateral record and then comment.

Since you asked!

This is you utter peak Pakistan against mediocre India. Hardly the smashing you seem to have in your mind.

 

[jnaveen1980]

People are confused between cricket team and cricket board. BCCI has left every cricket board to dust. Right now BCCI , CA, CSA, ECB are all on the same side. Why didnt other cricket boards stand behind PCB when hybrid model was proposed. Because they are eith BCCI. PcB pocketed 70 million USD. So they are also in the side of BCCI. Pak fans have bigger things to worry about than cricket economics.

 

[RidiculousMan]

I'm only pinging proper posters and not trolls who will irritate me further and ruin this discussion.

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Tbf BCCI has more or less killed interest in cricket due to IPL. Bi laterals have become a joke and eventually their will come a time where people will get sick of the yearly tournament format.

Many are already getting tired of Tournaments like CT, and the status of odi cricket is not certain beyond 2027. The odi format is dying due to lack of support.

It also doesn't help that since the inception of cricket, they've only been 3 to 5 relevant teams with the other 8 to 10 being minnows.

Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, West indies, Pakistan's, Zimbabwe, Ireland and others cricket is dead or dying. The new generation just isn't interested. Pakistan is the only exception as they have a loyal fan based but even that fan base isn't interested in test cricket anymore excluding old gen.

Only t20 or odi.

Other countries that could have fixed cricket won't ever play the format. USA, China, Europe won't play and hence cricket is just never going to become football.

In the next 10 years, Cricket is going to be dominated by India with NZ, Aus, Eng and SA only being the realistic competition. Afghanistan is currently in their purple patch mode due to bcci support but in 5 to 10 years they too will be finished. The war torn country just isn't good enough to have a realistic future in cricket.

So overall you have a sport that only has 5 teams in total with the other teams just being dil khush rakhnei walei teams, + yearly tournaments.

The yearly tournaments feel more of a desperate attempt to keep the sport relevant rather then a genuine interest in loyal fans.

overall you have a sport in which no one outside 5 teams are interested in test cricket, No one is interested in odi cricket outside CT and WC, and no one is interested in t20 cricket outside franchise and t20 wc.

^^ Eventually this too will fade coming down the line. The Olympics won't bring any relevancy either.

I just don't see cricket as an international sport surviving in the next 50 to 100 years unless serious changes are made.

The proof is in the papers.

A) Australia vanished 5 of their crucial players along with 2 of their best batters Marsh and Travis sitting out all together to rest for BGT, even though it was a crucial decider and aus had to protect the idea of Pakistan winning in their home den after nearly 20 years. The fact that they didn't give a damn speaks volume about odi.

B) NZ never sending their full strength team to face Pakistan due to IPL money.

C) India always resting big guns against teams like Bangladesh, Sri Lanka in bi laterals. And even England. 10 years ago the idea wouldn't be feasible as they had a reputation to protect. Now? Who cares if they lose a series to Bangladesh? No one.

D) Many players vanishing from CT, Some of them like starc pulling out just for the lolz. He claims it's due personal reasons, but never explained what they were? Similarly bumrah is fully fit. He could have been in the team and played the knockouts, but he isn't cause India just doesn't care. Their valuing England test series over CT lol.

E) WC 2024 was a failure from marketing perspective. The idea was to generate interest within the us market and bring teams like us, Canada, uganda etc yet it didn't make a single difference beyond Pakistan managing to somewhat humilate themsleves vs usa, which wasn't USA. It's basically Bootleg Pak/wi/india vs pk. America wasn't even aware that a tournament was happening.

F) Cricket tried to get wwe to sponsor them during RR 24. That sponsor failed. Out of all their sponsors, this sponsor attracted the least amount of interest compared to other sponsors like Prime.

G) WTC is a good format as it revived interest in test cricket, but only for SA and NZ. Eng, aus and India have always taken it seriously. It did absolutely nothing for WI, Bangladesh, Pakistan and the rest. Besides Pakistan, the others don't care and Bangladesh gave up competing a long time ago. Pakistan just sucks tbf.

^^ Its just not feasible. I'm not blaming BCCI. But bcci is more of a board that's managing to use its population to keep this spirt alive and afloat. It's not a board that turning cricket into a powerhouse by any means. It's just a captain of a sinking ship.

I have a question.

Is there a need to expand Cricket as a sport to other nations?

Cricket has survived for a few centuries and it has been over 60 years since Australia, England, West Indies, India, New Zealand, Pakistan and South Africa (they came back) have been playing Cricket.

Right now India is controlling most of the revenue in Cricket. As long as Indians are interested in Cricket. They will continue to invest in it and ICC will continue to distribute money among full members. To maintain interest in international Cricket. Of course teams will have to be on a balancing plate. So far India, Australia, New Zealand and South Africa have been juggling well. Pakistan and England are falling off. Sri Lanka and West Indies are deep holes.

Does ICC really need Sri Lanka and West Indies? England? Yes. Pakistan? Maybe (cause of India v Pakistan clashes in big events). But most definitely ICC can make Cricket work with just India, Australia, England and New Zealand.

Now IPL is ever growing. But it'll slowly come to a plateau place where for the league to make even more money they'd need foreigner eyes and sponsors in their league. Is that really happening? Do non-desi foreigners belonging to non Cricketing interest countries find IPL a good enough league and sport to watch and invest their time and money into? If the answer is yes. Then IPL wil continue regardless of ICC and international Cricket. If the answer is no. Then commercially Cricket is going to stagnant.

 

[RidiculousMan]

@mominsaigol Have you seen the CT25 show that's running on PTV Sports, YouTube and Tapmad (with sponsorship of Tapmad) right now featuring Hafeez and Malik?

 

[mominsaigol]

@mominsaigol Have you seen the CT25 show that's running on PTV Sports, YouTube and Tapmad (with sponsorship of Tapmad) right now featuring Hafeez and Malik?

No

 

[mominsaigol]

I have a question.

Is there a need to expand Cricket as a sport to other nations?

Cricket has survived for a few centuries and it has been over 60 years since Australia, England, West Indies, India, New Zealand, Pakistan and South Africa (they came back) have been playing Cricket.

Right now India is controlling most of the revenue in Cricket. As long as Indians are interested in Cricket. They will continue to invest in it and ICC will continue to distribute money among full members. To maintain interest in international Cricket. Of course teams will have to be on a balancing plate. So far India, Australia, New Zealand and South Africa have been juggling well. Pakistan and England are falling off. Sri Lanka and West Indies are deep holes.

Does ICC really need Sri Lanka and West Indies? England? Yes. Pakistan? Maybe (cause of India v Pakistan clashes in big events). But most definitely ICC can make Cricket work with just India, Australia, England and New Zealand.

Now IPL is ever growing. But it'll slowly come to a plateau place where for the league to make even more money they'd need foreigner eyes and sponsors in their league. Is that really happening? Do non-desi foreigners belonging to non Cricketing interest countries find IPL a good enough league and sport to watch and invest their time and money into? If the answer is yes. Then IPL wil continue regardless of ICC and international Cricket. If the answer is no. Then commercially Cricket is going to stagnant.

The point is, the way franchise is going. Odi cricket will.be done and dusted soon.

 

[RidiculousMan]

No

Okay. I was about to draw an analogy between that show and relation of IPL and International Cricket but you have to see the show to really get that analogy.

 

[jnaveen1980]

BcCi has imposed rules against its own players All these so called benefits are incidental because BCCi benefits. Their players never raise concern about schedule. For economic reasons they mess with the schedule.. if other boards have concerns they should raise it. You need a lot of money for cricket to survive. You rely on sponsors. Many boards are going bankrupt. Sponsors dictate the timings. It id plain ignorance to say BCCi is doing to benefit Indian cricket team

 

[charlie007]

Pakistanis hate us
English hate us

We used to think Kiwis, South Africans were our friends but after Champions Trophy 2025, it’s been seen that even they have started hating us.

From being the sweetheart of the cricketing world back in the day to the most hated cricket nation on the planet, our journey has been one of walking on broken glasses with a broken heart.

Should we quit international cricket forever if they think they can do better without us and we are the biggest reason this game is not the romance it once was.

These are the genuine thoughts in my mind these days as a genuine lover of the game who thinks of himself as a proud member of the international cricketing community. Unfortunately from last few months i have started to feel unwelcome’d in this community I thought was a brotherhood. No genuine liver of the game can sleep well at night knowing that his country is the throw for joy and a heartbreaker for many.

Maybe it is time for a hiatus.
Maybe we only play IPL for a while and leave international cricket to other nations who can take it forward for the time being. Once they’re ready to welcome us we will be honoured to be back.

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I don’t think India plays cricket to be loved by anyone, neither did any other champion team before them. The Aussies in their absolute pomp were the most hated team on the planet. They spat, abused, cheated whenever they could, and bullied their way to wins - that’s all that mattered to them and correctly so. You play to win, everything else is secondary. They didn’t care what the world thought of them. Today, all you remember are their wins. 50 years from now, all that’ll ever be remembered is that they were the most dominant side for 2+ decades.

In reality, the hate is not really toward the Indian team or individual players - it’s for BCCI and the Indian fans that can often be really mean and obnoxious, just like fans of many Asian countries.

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

The point is, the way franchise is going. Odi cricket will.be done and dusted soon.

Ad slots for the India-Pakistan match were sold for as high as Rs 50 lakh for a 10-second slot. India easily beat Pakistan in what turned out to be a tame encounter. Ad rates for India matches were in the range of Rs 20-25 lakh per 10 second slot and for connected TV it was around Rs 10-15 lakh." For the final match, ad rate are estimated to be upwards of Rs 40 lakh for a 10-second slot and digital rates as high as Rs 725 CPM (cost per mille/thousand impressions).

But for IPL which has 70+ matches annually:

Thomas pointed to the premium ad rates for IPL 2025. "TV spots are commanding premium rates, reaching up to Rs 18 lakh for 10-second slots, with digital platforms seeing 10-15 percent rate increases.

https://www.moneycontrol.com/entertainment/india-in-finals-of-champions-trophy-is-already-a-winner-for-broadcasters-as-ad-rates-rocket-article-12956805.html

India Pak has its premium but its overall value to the kitty is negligible.

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

I don’t think India plays cricket to be loved by anyone, neither did any other champion team before them. The Aussies in their absolute pomp were the most hated team on the planet. They spat, abused, cheated whenever they could, and bullied their way to wins - that’s all that mattered to them and correctly so. You play to win, everything else is secondary. They didn’t care what the world thought of them. Today, all you remember are their wins. 50 years from now, all that’ll ever be remembered is that they were the most dominant side for 2+ decades.

In reality, the hate is not really toward the Indian team or individual players - it’s for BCCI and the Indian fans that can often be really mean and obnoxious, just like fans of many Asian countries.

Pakistan still has the potential to be self sustaining Cricket hub and eventually challenge BCCI at ICC with some allies. Its all about how Pakistan sets its house in order.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Guys please stick to the thread topic only

 

[Rajdeep]

Steve Smith is not buying any Indian advantage. Mark of a true champion

 

[Prince of Dorne]

Salute to the OP, this is a legendary thread already.

On a serious note can we have one mega sticky thread titled ICC=BCCI or 'BCCI's Sinister Schemes for Global Conquest' or something where Pak and BD posters can routinely go after every tournament exit to vent, scream, cry, leave complaints, and bond over shared grievances? That thread should be a dedicated safe space exclusively for non-Indian fans, free from the presence of Indians and any rational discourse.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Ad slots for the India-Pakistan match were sold for as high as Rs 50 lakh for a 10-second slot. India easily beat Pakistan in what turned out to be a tame encounter. Ad rates for India matches were in the range of Rs 20-25 lakh per 10 second slot and for connected TV it was around Rs 10-15 lakh." For the final match, ad rate are estimated to be upwards of Rs 40 lakh for a 10-second slot and digital rates as high as Rs 725 CPM (cost per mille/thousand impressions).

But for IPL which has 70+ matches annually:

Thomas pointed to the premium ad rates for IPL 2025. "TV spots are commanding premium rates, reaching up to Rs 18 lakh for 10-second slots, with digital platforms seeing 10-15 percent rate increases.

https://www.moneycontrol.com/entertainment/india-in-finals-of-champions-trophy-is-already-a-winner-for-broadcasters-as-ad-rates-rocket-article-12956805.html

India Pak has its premium but its overall value to the kitty is negligible.

Some fans claimed that the India-Pakistan rivalry is dead and that only Pakistanis are obsessed with it, while Indians no longer care. However, the numbers you shared clearly show that it remains a two-way rivalry, still bigger than India vs Australia, even with Pakistan at its lowest phase.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

This just proves that you are not an Indian. I am not sure about the village you live in, but in cities, everyone was excited about the India vs. Pakistan match. Maybe step out of your bubble and see things for yourself.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Guys no more personal remarks