Picture of a 12-year-old Rashid Khan

[mmkextreme_1]

Naseem will be 20 this year.

He was 19 last year but PCB advertised him as a 16 year old, which played a huge part in overhyping him to the moon.

No, he will be 19. His actual age is off by approx. 2 years.

 

[PakPremi]

PCB facilitates age-fudging as well. They did it in Naseem’s case.

Haider might be 20, but having proper documentation means nothing when PCB is complicit in faking your age.

Naseem looks no older than 19,he still has the teanage innocence and freshness of youth on his face.

 

[Slim]

Looks about 23-24.

LOL im 24 and haider looks younger than me. Hes surely 20/21.

 

[Slim]

[/b]

Haider might not be a fudger but those days are certainly not gone.

Naseem is the latest example.

Haider's age is certainly not fudged. Its just the pettiness of some certain section of our friends here.

 

[Khan12]

Image from when he was 18

You are the same one says zeeshan malik is around 30 lol. My brother is 19 and he looks older then haider ali so according to you he will be age fudger as well.

 

[Major]

You are the same one says zeeshan malik is around 30 lol. My brother is 19 and he looks older then haider ali so according to you he will be age fudger as well.

My club mates who played with Zeeshan remember that the guy used to whine about having 1 year left till he crosses age of 19 and this was 6-7 years back. He fudged his age and its a well known thing amongest the club cricketers of Rawalpindi

I dont know about Haider Ali a i have left the club circle for quite a long time now. But looking at his pics i wont be surprised he is 3-5 years difference.

Age fudging it promoted at our clubs.

 

[Kenpachi]

Meh, so what if he is older than he says.

Does a player’s age actually matter? If someone can bat or bowl at world class level and do the job, would it matter if they were 50?

 

[MMHS]

Meh, so what if he is older than he says.

Does a player’s age actually matter? If someone can bat or bowl at world class level and do the job, would it matter if they were 50?

It definitely matters. It won’t matter if you know what’s the actual age of the player and adjust your selection based on that. A player like Younis Khan at 45 can be better than many PAK regulars now if he puts three months hard practices - but his competition is not there, his competition is with YK at the genuine age between 29-35.

If an aged player performs better in mature age (say 35+ for fast bowlers & 38+ for batsmen), then it only tells that his potential was unfulfilled at the right age - he is just delivering with his experience. That same player, 10 years back given proper training & exposure would have done better.

At present, it’s apparently not hurting PAK team because the average age is 3 to 5 years understated and that’s taken as benchmark at every level - 23 years old young men are disguising in U19/U16 cricket, 29 years old men are playing as U23 emerging talent.... 35 years old youngsters are debuting as 29.....

It doesn’t matter if a 29 years old is faking as 23 - the development curve is flat after 23..... it matters huge if a 23 years old is pretending to be 19 and treated/measured as 19 - couple of years time most of them will get exposed.

There are exceptions, but biologically a cricketer is at peak at around 29 & 3 years either side; with his physical capacity and experience - 3 years before that he is lacking experience, 3 years after his body will start to betray. Ideally, you should develop your players from genuine 19, so that after 3-4 years by 23, he is ready for international cricket and can give his best 12 years; there will be few fast tracked, few surviving longer. You make that 4-5 years bigger artificially- it’ll hurt you at some point, which is happening now and it’ll be bigger problem going forward as the game’s physical need is changing. People like Inzi, Saeed, Qadir won’t have played more than 10-12 games a year now days.

 

[Slog]

If you can't produce a legit birth certificate, you can't play. That should be the rule.

Don't care how good you are.

You shouldn’t be allowed to play age cricket. Regular cricket is fine since age isn’t a consideration there technically. But even then people look at your differently if you’re putting out same numbers as a 18 year old or as a 23 year old

 

[Slog]

Naseem looks no older than 19,he still has the teanage innocence and freshness of youth on his face.

Lol. He’s 20. He’s growing full facial hair and also shaving as 16 year old?

 

[Slog]

Meh, so what if he is older than he says.

Does a player’s age actually matter? If someone can bat or bowl at world class level and do the job, would it matter if they were 50?

Yea. Take Naseem only for example.

The numbers he is putting up right now would be considered average if you were looking at them from the lens of a selector looking at a 21 year old. But since he is being looked at as a 17 year old he is seen as someone with unlimited potential and someone who has a long time to develop. Being seen as a 16 year old has gotten him hype and goodwill he wouldn’t have received if he was aged 21-22 because such numbers are out by several bowlers at that age.

And it will haunt us later too. When his performances slip at the age of 30 he would be seen as someone having a blip and someone who could perhaps get back in form rather than being in terminal decline. But if the same decline comes and his actual age of 34-35 at the time is considered then there would be serious talk of dropping him for good.

 

[Varun]

You shouldn’t be allowed to play age cricket. Regular cricket is fine since age isn’t a consideration there technically. But even then people look at your differently if you’re putting out same numbers as a 18 year old or as a 23 year old

Well, in that case one thing leads to another. If you can't play age cricket with a fudged age we can take it as a given that he won't play regular cricket under the same circumstances.

 

[Khan12]

My club mates who played with Zeeshan remember that the guy used to whine about having 1 year left till he crosses age of 19 and this was 6-7 years back. He fudged his age and its a well known thing amongest the club cricketers of Rawalpindi

I dont know about Haider Ali a i have left the club circle for quite a long time now. But looking at his pics i wont be surprised he is 3-5 years difference.

Age fudging it promoted at our clubs.

Lol. Then zeeshan malik must be the youngest 30 year old or it could be becuase your club mates were rubbish and jelous of zeeshan hence spewing rubbish. As i said my brother is 19 and looks older then haider ali born in UK.

So according to you haider is similar age to Babar azam. Provide evidence about his age fudging or don't accuse players.

 

[Major]

Lol. Then zeeshan malik must be the youngest 30 year old or it could be becuase your club mates were rubbish and jelous of zeeshan hence spewing rubbish. As i said my brother is 19 and looks older then haider ali born in UK.

So according to you haider is similar age to Babar azam. Provide evidence about his age fudging or don't accuse players.

People who are involved in the club scene they know each other. You can sit on the internet and laugh around, or you can join a club and see for yourself what takes place.

Players know which player featured in the u19 trials.

Zeeshan Malik was known amongest his friends for his age. The guy got a reputation of being a good cricketer after he smacked a 200 for his club Greenland.

Our coach used to tell us to go get your ages fixed when u19 or u16 trials were near. The u16 captain of Rawalpindi himself has said to us he played without even having a birth certificate. The guy was atleast 19 when he even play u16.

I dont have to convince you, you dont have to believe me. I only found about these things when i played club.

Even Misbah has aged fudged even though the guy has metric,collage,undergrad, masters degree. That fudging is only possible if PCB does it for you

 

[Khan12]

People who are involved in the club scene they know each other. You can sit on the internet and laugh around, or you can join a club and see for yourself what takes place.

Players know which player featured in the u19 trials.

Zeeshan Malik was known amongest his friends for his age. The guy got a reputation of being a good cricketer after he smacked a 200 for his club Greenland.

Our coach used to tell us to go get your ages fixed when u19 or u16 trials were near. The u16 captain of Rawalpindi himself has said to us he played without even having a birth certificate. The guy was atleast 19 when he even play u16.

I dont have to convince you, you dont have to believe me. I only found about these things when i played club.

Even Misbah has aged fudged even though the guy has metric,collage,undergrad, masters degree. That fudging is only possible if PCB does it for you

I am not denying players in pakistan are not involved in it. In fact majority of them are. But 6 , 7 years is laughable for Zeeshan Malik. I know club cricket in Pakistan my relative played with haider ali and he tells me his age is around 20. Even everyone here agrees he around the same age as stated but yoy are saying he's 5 years older then his age.

Since it was encouraged in your club how many years have you cutted down on your actual age?

 

[Titan24]

Its a known issue in whole of sub continent including India, Pak, BD, Srl. Afghanistan and some players might have taken it to the next level though.

 

[Titan24]

My club mates who played with Zeeshan remember that the guy used to whine about having 1 year left till he crosses age of 19 and this was 6-7 years back. He fudged his age and its a well known thing amongest the club cricketers of Rawalpindi

I dont know about Haider Ali a i have left the club circle for quite a long time now. But looking at his pics i wont be surprised he is 3-5 years difference.

Age fudging it promoted at our clubs.

Zeeshan’s official age is 23, even if we consider the calculation you have provided he still turns out to be 24-25 which isnt the worst case of age fudging we have seen in sub continent.

 

[Major]

I am not denying players in pakistan are not involved in it. In fact majority of them are. But 6 , 7 years is laughable for Zeeshan Malik. I know club cricket in Pakistan my relative played with haider ali and he tells me his age is around 20. Even everyone here agrees he around the same age as stated but yoy are saying he's 5 years older then his age.

Since it was encouraged in your club how many years have you cutted down on your actual age?

zeeshan malik is well known. 6-7 years is the max you can fudge above that is hard but achievable. Haider Ali probably fudged about 2-3 years maybe than.

I didn't fudge because i had done A levels and was planning to attend university. Thus, if i had fudged my degrees would had gone to waste.

But i knew the procedures.

Parents who are poor and uneducated dont get their kids B Form made which is made at the union council. Thus, players who have never been to school or dropped out before grade 10 and were playing cricket, they get their Bay Form made and as it is a new Bay form they mention their date of birth wrong.

Than there is another way where you can just give rishwat to a person in the TMA or Union Council and get your age reduced in the Union council documents. This is the same procedure as above, but in this procedure you had a union council bay form but you got it editted.

Bay form has all the details of your children. Name and date of birth, so some players even play under their younger brothers name.

In all the above cases the players are drop outs or some metric or fsc passed ones end up wasting their degree.

If you have been registered in NADRA records, you can pay off an official to edit the records in the past. Dont know about this nowadays.

Than there is the official tareeka, through court. You can do a case in court and make a claim that your parents registered a wrong date of birth, and if you win the case you can get your age editted on your degrees aswell. But that is very long process and just a chance, and bribe a judge would be costlier.

PCB probably does the court/Nadra one. Infact, as they are a big organization i wonder if they can bypass court and get the age reduction straight from Nadra and Union Council.


In Pakistan, the most powerful govt department is the TMA. Tehsil Municiple administration. They are desi system and dont have Nadra type system.

 

[Varun]

zeeshan malik is well known. 6-7 years is the max you can fudge above that is hard but achievable. Haider Ali probably fudged about 2-3 years maybe than.

I didn't fudge because i had done A levels and was planning to attend university. Thus, if i had fudged my degrees would had gone to waste.

But i knew the procedures.

Parents who are poor and uneducated dont get their kids B Form made which is made at the union council. Thus, players who have never been to school or dropped out before grade 10 and were playing cricket, they get their Bay Form made and as it is a new Bay form they mention their date of birth wrong.

Than there is another way where you can just give rishwat to a person in the TMA or Union Council and get your age reduced in the Union council documents. This is the same procedure as above, but in this procedure you had a union council bay form but you got it editted.

Bay form has all the details of your children. Name and date of birth, so some players even play under their younger brothers name.

In all the above cases the players are drop outs or some metric or fsc passed ones end up wasting their degree.

If you have been registered in NADRA records, you can pay off an official to edit the records in the past. Dont know about this nowadays.

Than there is the official tareeka, through court. You can do a case in court and make a claim that your parents registered a wrong date of birth, and if you win the case you can get your age editted on your degrees aswell. But that is very long process and just a chance, and bribe a judge would be costlier.

PCB probably does the court/Nadra one. Infact, as they are a big organization i wonder if they can bypass court and get the age reduction straight from Nadra and Union Council.


In Pakistan, the most powerful govt department is the TMA. Tehsil Municiple administration. They are desi system and dont have Nadra type system.

Do you think Waqar Younis fudged his age?

A debut at "17", a decline in his 20s and a retirement at 31 point towards it.

 

[Major]

Do you think Waqar Younis fudged his age?

A debut at "17", a decline in his 20s and a retirement at 31 point towards it.

No idea. Didnt follow 90s cricket. Only started following when inzama used to lead us.

Though i always assumed saqlain mushtaq fudged as he retired at an age when a spinner is in his prime.

Guys like abdur rehman, ajmal, babar were flourishing internarional or domestic at the same age when saqlain hanged his boots

 

[Titan24]

zeeshan malik is well known. 6-7 years is the max you can fudge above that is hard but achievable. Haider Ali probably fudged about 2-3 years maybe than.

Sorry, I am bit confused. You said in your previous post "the guy used to whine about having 1 year left till he crosses age of 19 and this was 6-7 years back".

If he was 18-19 whining about he has one year left, 6,7 years ago means he should be around 24-25 now while his official age is 23. If thats the case then how is this age fudge of 6-7 years?

 

[Khan12]

Sorry, I am bit confused. You said in your previous post "the guy used to whine about having 1 year left till he crosses age of 19 and this was 6-7 years back".

If he was 18-19 whining about he has one year left, 6,7 years ago means he should be around 24-25 now while his official age is 23. If thats the case then how is this age fudge of 6-7 years?

Lol. If i remember correctly this poater stated that zeeshan malik age is around 28-29 a year or 2 back so that means accoeding to him his actual age must be around 31 or 32 lol. As for haider at least he has bought down his age from 3-5 to 2-3.

 

[Major]

Lol. If i remember correctly this poater stated that zeeshan malik age is around 28-29 a year or 2 back so that means accoeding to him his actual age must be around 31 or 32 lol. As for haider at least he has bought down his age from 3-5 to 2-3.

like i said, whether you want to believe me or not its your choice. I dont even consider these cricketers wrong for fudging their ages.
i can bash the ages of the rawalpindi cricketers from but not the cricketers of other city

 

[Giannis]

Lol. He’s 20. He’s growing full facial hair and also shaving as 16 year old?

Bruh there are many 16 year olds that can grow beards, it's a genetic thing.

 

[sweep_shot]

I feel Afghans age more quickly but they also likely do age fudging. It is a combination of both.

 

[Titan24]

Lol. He’s 20. He’s growing full facial hair and also shaving as 16 year old?

Can you kindly share pic of Naseem with full facial hair? Not that it makes a difference as many teenage boys have some facial hair growth but, I was interested in seeing as I havent noticed it.

 

[sshakir411]

Rashid is easily 30+
Hafeez is 40 or older
Nasim and Haider are closer to 25 than 20

 

[MMHS]

Its a known issue in whole of sub continent including India, Pak, BD, Srl. Afghanistan and some players might have taken it to the next level though.

There is a difference between stealing & robbing and then day light looting.

This is one area where you can’t draw parallel lines with all subcontinent countries - I won’t accept that. Among five, SRL is the best that I have seen - even club players playing in league cricket in Bangladesh had birth certificates issued by registered nurses and most of them looked genuine even 20-25 years back. India, Bangladesh- yes it’s a common practice there as well to cheat age. I can say about most Bangladeshi top players - I actually know some of their exact birth day that they celibate with F&F. 1-2 years is very common - Shakib will be 35 in his next birthday, for example. Indeed, there are examples of Mo Shami & Ashraful as well; but in general 1-2 years in most cases while there are players in Bangladesh & India with genuine age as well. If you think it has changed in PAK, then definitely good for PAK cricket - I don’t mind.

But, still I believe what is happening there in PAK cricket is at different level than India or BD, not to even mention SRL - you may keep arguing here for the sake of it and that’s fair enough, I’ll agree to disagree. But if you open one thread of Musa Khan, you’ll enjoy some of the posts there, posted couple of years back ..... I don’t know where you get that sort of confidence about Naseem but may be there is a reason - you have your own sources, I believe. Personally, I believe Naseem is 23, Shaheen 24+, Haider around 24, Musa Khan 25+, Shadab 26+ and Babar around 29 - but I can’t prove that either. However, I have been in PP for 12+ years, God willing I’ll remain here for another 12 - I hope in 5 years time Naseem, Shaheen, Babar, Shadab & Haider will be world beaters because adding 1-2 years like other subcontinent countries - they should be at their physical peak for a fast bowler, batsman or spinner - I hope so.

Afghans have taken that to another level and no wonder, they are breaking lots, lots of records in that area, many of those were previously held by PAK cricketers.

 

[Titan24]

I don’t know where you get that sort of confidence about Naseem but may be there is a reason - you have your own sources, I believe. Personally, I believe Naseem is 23, Shaheen 24+, Haider around 24, Musa Khan 25+, Shadab 26+ and Babar around 29 - but I can’t prove that either.m.

Confidence about Naseem? I just asked a poster to share Naseem with full facial hair as was being claimed.

Coming to your speculations about age of other players and also your assumption that age fudging in BD and India is at small level because you have few interactions is not a very solid argument in my opinion. Babar being 29, Naseem being 23, Shaheen being 24+... I have no comments regarding that, its your personal opinion which is your right have.

Now if I will bring up Misbah? Will you say he was 50+ when he was scoring test centuries or will you say, oh he is just an anomaly because you feel like based upon your assumptions.

I wont go into a lot of examples and details but, do you really believe Kahled Mehmud was 32-33 when he played his last test? Must have been the oldest looking 32 atleast to my eyes in my limited time on this earth.

Do you really believe Mustafizur Rehman is 25 and Shaheen is probably older than him (we can have side by side pics for better comparison if you want? Mustafizur can be in his late 20s with his current facial features and Somuya definitely looks to be over 27 in my personal opinion.

And you really think Mehidy Hassan Miraz is just 22? Also on which parallel universe Liton Das comes across as a 25 year old but Babar is definitely 29-30? I want say anything else but, would like to say bit of introspection wont be bad. I hope you use the same parameter in these cases as well.

Again we can all live with the assumptions and speculations we want to.

 

[Hasan123]

[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] , you have exaggerated some of the ages of those Pakistan players.

 

[Khan12]

Confidence about Naseem? I just asked a poster to share Naseem with full facial hair as was being claimed.

Coming to your speculations about age of other players and also your assumption that age fudging in BD and India is at small level because you have few interactions is not a very solid argument in my opinion. Babar being 29, Naseem being 23, Shaheen being 24+... I have no comments regarding that, its your personal opinion which is your right have.

Now if I will bring up Misbah? Will you say he was 50+ when he was scoring test centuries or will you say, oh he is just an anomaly because you feel like based upon your assumptions.

I wont go into a lot of examples and details but, do you really believe Kahled Mehmud was 32-33 when he played his last test? Must have been the oldest looking 32 atleast to my eyes in my limited time on this earth.

Do you really believe Mustafizur Rehman is 25 and Shaheen is probably older than him (we can have side by side pics for better comparison if you want? Mustafizur can be in his late 20s with his current facial features and Somuya definitely looks to be over 27 in my personal opinion.

And you really think Mehidy Hassan Miraz is just 22? Also on which parallel universe Liton Das comes across as a 25 year old but Babar is definitely 29-30? I want say anything else but, would like to say bit of introspection wont be bad. I hope you use the same parameter in these cases as well.

Again we can all live with the assumptions and speculations we want to.

Some of the Bangladeshi u19 players looked older or around looked similar as haider, naseem but these lads 23+ while the Bangladeshi ones are 17 odd.

Look at the picture of Akbar Ali the captain or towhid haridoy and compare them with naseem and haider they look pretty similar.

Naseem even if you say 21 ok. But 23? Same with haider.

 

[MMHS]

Guys no hard feelings about age - let’s keep our own numbers to us.

 

[MMHS]

[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] , you have exaggerated some of the ages of those Pakistan players.

Could be, but I use my own filter and haven’t missed much, but exceptions are there.

For fast bowlers, more or less a player is at his peak at biological 29 & 1-3 yers either side. At 29, he is at his physical peak & experienced enough. Now, paler to player it varies by a year or two and some players can expand that ban. After 29, he can still be a top fast bowler backed on his experience while before 26 he is definitely faster, but not the most lethal.

More or less, every top fast bowler that I have seen, it’s actually applicable. DK was born in July ‘49 - his best years were the WSC between 77-79. The peak of Marshall (April 58) any fast bowler in history to be honest) was between 1986-1988 English series.... McGrath’s (1970) peak was 1998 to 2002, Donald between 1993-96...... even Pakistani born Imran Khan grew an inch or two between his 1971 & 1974 English tour .... and he was born in October 52; his peak was 1981-83 and at 35-6, that guy took 10 Ford in England & WIN for a reason. These are ATGs therefore they had been good throughout, but in those few years, they were something unreal.

Now - take about Umar Gul. Kid debuted in 2003 at 19 and between 2006-2009, he was genuinely among world’s best pacers.... by 2011 WC at official 27 .. he looked like a women in her 6th month, you know. My back calculator tells that somewhere in between that 2006-09 period he was biological 29 - based on that you have to set the clock what was his age at birth in 1984 - my hunch is 5, but ... you know.

You can apply that calculator for almost every PAK pacer and you won’t loose much. Wasim took 11 wickets at official 35 in 2000, and I believe at this age also with few months training, guy can keep one of the prodigious fast bowling talents out of playing XI. But, the Wasim Akram that really could shake a whole lineup was between the Indian tour of 1989 to the AUS tour of 1995, particularly those two years of 1992-93 - my back calculator tells that he was 3 years old at his birth in 1966 - I might be a year wrong either side.

Born 1971 the best of WY I saw was 1990-96, his last great show was Port Elizabeth 1998. Despite suffering stress fracture, I take 1993-5 as his 29th year - back calculator will take 1971 at 5/6 .... Shoaib probably will compete with every PAK pacer even tomorrow for pace, because he was unique of a kind - but the best of Shoaib Akhtar I saw with his pace, stamina & guile was between 2000 to 2004 - those immortal spells in Australia, Srilanka, NZ, even UAE - take the mid point of that span as 29 and go back, it comes 1973 - I won’t search for his Cricinfo profile for a useless date.

Finally, this teen age wrong headed prodigy should have been at his peak in 2014-7 period, when he was serving his ban .... now at 28 officially, you have seen him in last T20, you know.

Any way, I am a bit different from others - I try to see things in my way, won’t say I am right always.

 

[Saj]

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Supposedly Rashid Khan photographed in 2012!

Where's the evidence this was taken in 2012?

 

[Titan24]

Some of the Bangladeshi u19 players looked older or around looked similar as haider, naseem but these lads 23+ while the Bangladeshi ones are 17 odd.

Look at the picture of Akbar Ali the captain or towhid haridoy and compare them with naseem and haider they look pretty similar.

Naseem even if you say 21 ok. But 23? Same with haider.

Exactly.

So Akber Ali here is supposedly 18 years old. Anyone can see the reasonably developed hair follicles (Maybe more in some other pics) but I am no judge, it can be just genetics.



Here is Naseem Shah (Supposedly 22-23 years old , I am not sure about which filter was used but, we can take these two pictures out to random people on the street anywhere in the world and ask them to guess ages. I am pretty sure what will be the result.



Not to forget Babar is supposedly hiding hi age and is actually 29-30.

So lets have a comparison.

Liton Das who is supposedly just a 25 year old guy next door.



Here is Babar Azam who was supposed 28-30 here:



I can put in multiple examples and pictures of BD players including the 32 year old Kahled Mehmud playing his last test or Tamim Iqbal at 19 debuting. BD players as per our fellow poster are not fudging and if they are fudging its merely 1-2 years in comparison to Pak players which are fudging by 5-6 years.

Lets have a look at 21 year old Shubman Gill:



Now have a look at Haider Ali who is 20 but supposedly he cant be as he is has to be 24 odd:



I could have posted numerous other examples. As per these pictures or any other pictures it would be a mystery to me how the Pak counter parts if fudging are fudging by 5-6 years but BD and Ind players are supposedly looking younger and if there is fudging its 1-2 years.

We can show all these pics to random people and I am pretty sure who they would say looks older. Even most posters here can see it with there naked eyes and tell if Pak players are looking 5-6 years older, maybe its the other way round or maybe its not much of a difference.

So I still back my post and claim that issue is there in whole of sub continent and one can easily argue with pictures and countless others can be posted to prove that argue some supposedly noble teams have it more.

Yes if Pak players have genetics which make them look younger or PCB is spending money on Botox and other such treatment then I am not sure maybe some people on this thread are right.

 

[MMHS]

Exactly.

So Akber Ali here is supposedly 18 years old. Anyone can see the reasonably developed hair follicles (Maybe more in some other pics) but I am no judge, it can be just genetics.

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Here is Naseem Shah (Supposedly 22-23 years old , I am not sure about which filter was used but, we can take these two pictures out to random people on the street anywhere in the world and ask them to guess ages. I am pretty sure what will be the result.

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Not to forget Babar is supposedly hiding hi age and is actually 29-30.

So lets have a comparison.

Liton Das who is supposedly just a 25 year old guy next door.

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Here is Babar Azam who was supposed 28-30 here:

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I can put in multiple examples and pictures of BD players including the 32 year old Kahled Mehmud playing his last test or Tamim Iqbal at 19 debuting. BD players as per our fellow poster are not fudging and if they are fudging its merely 1-2 years in comparison to Pak players which are fudging by 5-6 years.

Lets have a look at 21 year old Shubman Gill:

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Now have a look at Haider Ali who is 20 but supposedly he cant be as he is has to be 24 odd:

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I could have posted numerous other examples. As per these pictures or any other pictures it would be a mystery to me how the Pak counter parts if fudging are fudging by 5-6 years but BD and Ind players are supposedly looking younger and if there is fudging its 1-2 years.

We can show all these pics to random people and I am pretty sure who they would say looks older. Even most posters here can see it with there naked eyes and tell if Pak players are looking 5-6 years older, maybe its the other way round or maybe its not much of a difference.

So I still back my post and claim that issue is there in whole of sub continent and one can easily argue with pictures and countless others can be posted to prove that argue some supposedly noble teams have it more.

Yes if Pak players have genetics which make them look younger or PCB is spending money on Botox and other such treatment then I am not sure maybe some people on this thread are right.

These pictures hardly helps bro - you team has been shamed time and again for age cheating indirectly by several commentators in past and will be in future as well because the problem is sponsored by your board. In fact PAK players have come out themselves after retirement to expose the whole system. I can also put pictures of Mo Nawaz, Ziaul Haq ... to show how a 25-26 old Pakistani cricketer looks like.

And, I never said that age cheating is not a problem in a Bangladesh- in fact this is something they are trying really hard to manage and there are individuals with 2-3 even 5 years cheating. But, it’s not a state/board sponsored level scam. I don’t know if PCB uses Botox or not, but they do allow players robbing with age - to a level that now it has gone to an unmanageable level even at grass root cricket. I always read PAK youngsters look older because of genetics, but the opposite is true as well, which gets exposed once they reach officially 25.

Babar Azam played for PAK U15 in WIN when he was supposedly 10-11, I can’t find that picture now otherwise would have posted that here as well.

Anyway, I think it’s a massive problem in Bangladesh and I have talked with Papon personally at my first opportunity regarding what they are doing for it. But, if you think it’s just a common thing for PAK players with other south Asian countries - no worries then.

 

[nitrous]

These pictures hardly helps bro - you team has been shamed time and again for age cheating indirectly by several commentators in past and will be in future as well because the problem is sponsored by your board. In fact PAK players have come out themselves after retirement to expose the whole system. I can also put pictures of Mo Nawaz, Ziaul Haq ... to show how a 25-26 old Pakistani cricketer looks like.

And, I never said that age cheating is not a problem in a Bangladesh- in fact this is something they are trying really hard to manage and there are individuals with 2-3 even 5 years cheating. But, it’s not a state/board sponsored level scam. I don’t know if PCB uses Botox or not, but they do allow players robbing with age - to a level that now it has gone to an unmanageable level even at grass root cricket. I always read PAK youngsters look older because of genetics, but the opposite is true as well, which gets exposed once they reach officially 25.

Babar Azam played for PAK U15 in WIN when he was supposedly 10-11, I can’t find that picture now otherwise would have posted that here as well.

Anyway, I think it’s a massive problem in Bangladesh and I have talked with Papon personally at my first opportunity regarding what they are doing for it. But, if you think it’s just a common thing for PAK players with other south Asian countries - no worries then.

So your saying Babar Azam is older than what he currently portrays himself as?

 

[Titan24]

Anyway, I think it’s a massive problem in Bangladesh and I have talked with Papon personally at my first opportunity regarding what they are doing for it. But, if you think it’s just a common thing for PAK players with other south Asian countries - no worries then.

You said in your post that in BD the difference is probably on 1-2 years and same is the case with Ind. I cant talk about players at grass root level which I havent seen but who from the above looks 5 years older then its counter part. I wont be surprised if we show these pictures to a neutral guy and he thinks opposite of that is true.

I know its a problem in Pakistan as well but, way you are over exaggerating it in the case of current Pakistani players snd completely ignoring the case of BD and other subcontinental countries doesnt help what you are saying as well.

In one of IPL threads again you left you crease bit too much saying how the records of players at international level are generally better than international cricket. I gave couple of examples at that time in that case as well and could have given countless others, you would have been able to give few but again that statement was exaggeration just like this one yours in my opinion.

For the above picture you can do an experiment and see how many people buy your assumption. In which parallel universe Naseem, Babar, Haider look 5 years older then their counter parts, i am not sure about that. I can only talk about level which I am seeing, what happening at grass root level or not I cant tell that.

 

[MMHS]

You said in your post that in BD the difference is probably on 1-2 years and same is the case with Ind. I cant talk about players at grass root level which I havent seen but who from the above looks 5 years older then its counter part. I wont be surprised if we show these pictures to a neutral guy and he thinks opposite of that is true.

I know its a problem in Pakistan as well but, way you are over exaggerating it in the case of current Pakistani players snd completely ignoring the case of BD and other subcontinental countries doesnt help what you are saying as well.

In one of IPL threads again you left you crease bit too much saying how the records of players at international level are generally better than international cricket. I gave couple of examples at that time in that case as well and could have given countless others, you would have been able to give few but again that statement was exaggeration just like this one yours in my opinion.

For the above picture you can do an experiment and see how many people buy your assumption. In which parallel universe Naseem, Babar, Haider look 5 years older then their counter parts, i am not sure about that. I can only talk about level which I am seeing, what happening at grass root level or not I cant tell that.

I didn’t ask anyone to buy my assumptions - in fact I don’t care if anyone bothers for it or not. My default tab for PAK cricketers is 3 years and null hypothesis is 3 to 7 years, with a mid point of years. As I said, in this universe I’ll be waiting for 5-6-7 years to see these PAK players who should by at their prime based on certificate. Till then, i don’t think we are moving anywhere.

 

[Titan24]

I didn’t ask anyone to buy my assumptions - in fact I don’t care if anyone bothers for it or not. My default tab for PAK cricketers is 3 years and null hypothesis is 3 to 7 years, with a mid point of years. As I said, in this universe I’ll be waiting for 5-6-7 years to see these PAK players who should by at their prime based on certificate. Till then, i don’t think we are moving anywhere.

When you share your assumptions on a forum they are up for critique.

Not everyone is going to bow down to different theories based upon how confidently or forcefully one pushes them. Again pictures are there for reference, if you really believe that Pakistani players are 5 years older, good for you but, again if you can introspect a bit or maybe conduct a small social experiment outside by showing them them to neutral people (When you have time) it can only help. As visuals available to naked eye clearly dont support your original null hypothesis, though might have been somewhat true for some of previous gen and even visuals might be able to support it for those players.

As per your peak theory, Soumya Sarkar and Mustafizur should be at their peak now. I hope they live upto the expectations. Tamim's form going down so early from his peak is a bit surprising but he is only 31-32 so can recover.

 

[Indiafan]

Exactly.

So Akber Ali here is supposedly 18 years old. Anyone can see the reasonably developed hair follicles (Maybe more in some other pics) but I am no judge, it can be just genetics.

View attachment 103211

Here is Naseem Shah (Supposedly 22-23 years old , I am not sure about which filter was used but, we can take these two pictures out to random people on the street anywhere in the world and ask them to guess ages. I am pretty sure what will be the result.

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Not to forget Babar is supposedly hiding hi age and is actually 29-30.

So lets have a comparison.

Liton Das who is supposedly just a 25 year old guy next door.

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Here is Babar Azam who was supposed 28-30 here:

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I can put in multiple examples and pictures of BD players including the 32 year old Kahled Mehmud playing his last test or Tamim Iqbal at 19 debuting. BD players as per our fellow poster are not fudging and if they are fudging its merely 1-2 years in comparison to Pak players which are fudging by 5-6 years.

Lets have a look at 21 year old Shubman Gill:

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Now have a look at Haider Ali who is 20 but supposedly he cant be as he is has to be 24 odd:

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I could have posted numerous other examples. As per these pictures or any other pictures it would be a mystery to me how the Pak counter parts if fudging are fudging by 5-6 years but BD and Ind players are supposedly looking younger and if there is fudging its 1-2 years.

We can show all these pics to random people and I am pretty sure who they would say looks older. Even most posters here can see it with there naked eyes and tell if Pak players are looking 5-6 years older, maybe its the other way round or maybe its not much of a difference.

So I still back my post and claim that issue is there in whole of sub continent and one can easily argue with pictures and countless others can be posted to prove that argue some supposedly noble teams have it more.

Yes if Pak players have genetics which make them look younger or PCB is spending money on Botox and other such treatment then I am not sure maybe some people on this thread are right.

Naseem Shah was mentioned by PP two years ago and Saj mentioned his age as 17 then in 2018

https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1068889295556100096?s=20

Newspaper article from 2016 mentioning him as `16 in 2016

https://twitter.com/SirKLRahul/status/1197692828777730048/photo/1

 

[Titan24]

Naseem Shah was mentioned by PP two years ago and Saj mentioned his age as 17 then

https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1068889295556100096?s=20

Newspaper article from 2016 mentioning him as `16 in 2016

https://twitter.com/SirKLRahul/status/1197692828777730048/photo/1

Yes I know but here the discussion from some was that he is 23 or not if you see the previous posts.

 

[Major]

In Pakistan majority of the kids get their birth certificate made late, dont know why foreign based ppers are arguing

 

[Zaz]

Do you think Waqar Younis fudged his age?

A debut at "17", a decline in his 20s and a retirement at 31 point towards it.

I think most would agree Waqar was in his early 20s when he debuted rather than 17

 

[MMHS]

When you share your assumptions on a forum they are up for critique.

Not everyone is going to bow down to different theories based upon how confidently or forcefully one pushes them. Again pictures are there for reference, if you really believe that Pakistani players are 5 years older, good for you but, again if you can introspect a bit or maybe conduct a small social experiment outside by showing them them to neutral people (When you have time) it can only help. As visuals available to naked eye clearly dont support your original null hypothesis, though might have been somewhat true for some of previous gen and even visuals might be able to support it for those players.

As per your peak theory, Soumya Sarkar and Mustafizur should be at their peak now. I hope they live upto the expectations. Tamim's form going down so early from his peak is a bit surprising but he is only 31-32 so can recover.

I am not sure where you see Tamim’s form declining!!! Just about 16 months back he had three scores of 126, 74 & 70+ in NZ, Mustafiz was among highest wicket takers in last WC - they are indeed living up to my expectations, may be you had other hopes on them.

I have no issues if there is any critique of my assumptions - I can live with that. If you think the age cheating issue in PAK cricket is just like as usual of subcontinent with 1-2 years in it; it’s great for you.

 

[MMHS]

In Pakistan majority of the kids get their birth certificate made late, dont know why foreign based ppers are arguing

That’s the case in everywhere in South Asia, less in Srilanka because of their per capita economy & education + manageability. Entire population of Srilanka is less than Dhaka city and their literacy rate is 90%+ (& its not measured the way Hasina’s education minister measures - our literacy rate is also a proud 75% now). The problem is that, age cheating is sponsored in PAK cricket system which has gone beyond manageable level now.

 

[Saj]

Where's the evidence this was taken in 2012?

Anyone?

 

[Bigboii]

Anyone?

Here is another picture of him at 12. With the date shown

Someone found his old facebook page and these pictures are from there

 

[Major]

Anyone?

His real facebook account
this is the link
https://www.facebook.com/rashid.armani/photos?lst=1386888107:100002085635540:1600016094

He is Rashid Arman Shinwari, but later on when his old pics were doing round along with that name. He changed his fb name and deleted some of those pics.

 

[Titan24]

I am not sure where you see Tamim’s form declining!!! Just about 16 months back he had three scores of 126, 74 & 70+ in NZ, Mustafiz was among highest wicket takers in last WC - they are indeed living up to my expectations, may be you had other hopes on them.

I have no issues if there is any critique of my assumptions - I can live with that. If you think the age cheating issue in PAK cricket is just like as usual of subcontinent with 1-2 years in it; it’s great for you.

Mustafizur averaged 28 ODis in 2019 in 16 matches which is decent with an economy rate of 6.78 . Though is just entering his peak at this age many more years to offer based upon his current age, needs to work on his red ball game though.

Tamim averaged 24 in 18 ODIs he played in 2019. He has one test 100 in last 4 years. We have different definition of form I guess.

Yes I believe currently its just like casual subcontinent issue and for the new gen we dont have anything to prove otherwise. Looking at side by side pics of so called similar age players from other sides definitely supports that and some raise questions for other countries.

 

[MMHS]

Mustafizur averaged 28 ODis in 2019 in 16 matches which is decent with an economy rate of 6.78 . Though is just entering his peak at this age many more years to offer based upon his current age, needs to work on his red ball game though.

Tamim averaged 24 in 18 ODIs he played in 2019. He has one test 100 in last 4 years. We have different definition of form I guess.

Yes I believe currently its just like casual subcontinent issue and for the new gen we dont have anything to prove otherwise. Looking at side by side pics of so called similar age players from other sides definitely supports that and some raise questions for other countries.

From 12 sep 2016, Tamim in total has played 18 Tests and averaged 37 with 2 hundreds and 6 fifties - which is very much similar to his over all career. He is indeed struggling in ODI. Mustafiz is an unique type of pacer who came with novelty and unreal stats, I believe this has been "exposed" many times here in PP, but I do think if he keeps his fitness, for next 6 years he should maintain a decent consistency - at least won't look like leaked balloon by official 28, as he wasn't born as 5/6 years old.

In contrary to your believe, I actually do believe it's a systemic corruption in PAK cricket which is sponsored by the board and associate clubs, which is one of the biggest reason why PAK cricket is at current state, obviously I am comparing apple to apple here - hope PAK new generation proves me wrong here - it'll be stronger evidence indeed than side by side pictures.

 

[Titan24]

From 12 sep 2016, Tamim in total has played 18 Tests and averaged 37 with 2 hundreds and 6 fifties - which is very much similar to his over all career. He is indeed struggling in ODI. Mustafiz is an unique type of pacer who came with novelty and unreal stats, I believe this has been "exposed" many times here in PP, but I do think if he keeps his fitness, for next 6 years he should maintain a decent consistency - at least won't look like leaked balloon by official 28, as he wasn't born as 5/6 years old.

In contrary to your believe, I actually do believe it's a systemic corruption in PAK cricket which is sponsored by the board and associate clubs, which is one of the biggest reason why PAK cricket is at current state, obviously I am comparing apple to apple here - hope PAK new generation proves me wrong here - it'll be stronger evidence indeed than side by side pictures.

Fair enough point on Mustafiz but I hope he doesnt need support of knee crutches as well like his ex captain's last 4-5 years.

If you are talking about performances and how good a player does in his career is not directly related to age or age fudging. Quality, work ethics, temperament etc. many aspects play a role. Yes you can argue when their peaks come but again that can vary from player to player.

Younis who was supposedly older than his real age was still unreal post his official 35 age (Was kind of having another peak in his career). Mike Hussey started international career at 29 years of age and was doing extremely well even when he was 33 odd. So as I said it varies from player to player, you cant judge age based upon the performances on the field. Wahab Riaz who might not be world beater is still fit enough at 35 years of age and bowls as fast as many around and I think he is bowling as well in white ball cricket he did in most of his career.

Yes normally peak should start coming in around 26, 27 years of age but, it not as hard and fast a rule that you can use to determine age of the players. Some can hit it early and some can get it later in their careers and we have examples of both scenarios all around the world.

Again its completely upto you whichever assumptions, theories, tests, proof you need to conclude whatever you want.

 

[BreadPakoda]

[MENTION=142432]Titan24[/MENTION] - Mashrafe had been dealing with knee injuries even in his teens. He’s played 200+ ODI despite that.

While no one can be 100% sure whether he’s fudged his age or not his case is different from that of a bowler completely losing steam after hitting 30.

 

[Titan24]

[MENTION=142432]Titan24[/MENTION] - Mashrafe had been dealing with knee injuries even in his teens. He’s played 200+ ODI despite that.

While no one can be 100% sure whether he’s fudged his age or not his case is different from that of a bowler completely losing steam after hitting 30.

I understand that. I am not the one targeting anyone's age here, just saying that age along with injuries to fast bowlers also take a toll. The guy our friend was referring to as leaked balloon also had extreme circumstances with 5 years of no cricket during his 20s (A very rare case in its own) and he also has chronic knee issues.

 

[JibranAnsari]

Where's the evidence this was taken in 2012?

in fact i attached a full photo from a facebook account of shahpur khan who is rashid khans fellow cricketer , a moderator cropped that out.

here is another one from 2013

 

[Xoib]

You said in your post that in BD the difference is probably on 1-2 years and same is the case with Ind. I cant talk about players at grass root level which I havent seen but who from the above looks 5 years older then its counter part. I wont be surprised if we show these pictures to a neutral guy and he thinks opposite of that is true.

I know its a problem in Pakistan as well but, way you are over exaggerating it in the case of current Pakistani players snd completely ignoring the case of BD and other subcontinental countries doesnt help what you are saying as well.

In one of IPL threads again you left you crease bit too much saying how the records of players at international level are generally better than international cricket. I gave couple of examples at that time in that case as well and could have given countless others, you would have been able to give few but again that statement was exaggeration just like this one yours in my opinion.

For the above picture you can do an experiment and see how many people buy your assumption. In which parallel universe Naseem, Babar, Haider look 5 years older then their counter parts, i am not sure about that. I can only talk about level which I am seeing, what happening at grass root level or not I cant tell that.

Bhai no point arguing with this bloke he is biased and anti Pakistan to the core I hope him mamoon bhayya can get together and have babies.
Unfortunately for him his team is garbage and a minnow and mamoon bhayya doesn't have time for minnows.

 

[Zaz]

I think its safe to say rashid khan is several years older than he states

Even without the above photo evidence its clesr by looking at him his face isnt that of a 21 year olds

 

[watson367]

12 year old Rashid Khan looks older than my chachu.

 

[MenInG]

in fact i attached a full photo from a facebook account of shahpur khan who is rashid khans fellow cricketer , a moderator cropped that out.View attachment 103223

here is another one from 2013

The reason why we cropped it was because this is still not proof of a serious allegation, it could have been photshopped etc

 

[RyanRyan10]

A below average bowler who gets demolished by top 8 sides in cricket whist picking up a bucket ton against teams ranked lower than WI, I've heard from someone who's played cricket back in his country that he's at least 29-30 or 30-31.

He has good record against 4 out of 7 top8 nations he has played against in Odis (didn't bowl against NZL)
India- 26.33
Pak- 24
SRL- 10.75
WI- 20.20

In t20is, he has done well against 3 out of 4 top8 nations he has played against

Against Eng, 4-0-17-2
Against SRL, 4-0-27-1

Against WI, 9 wickets in 8 matches. Avg 22 eco of 6.48

Not bad for a player from an emerging cricketing nation.

 

[Khan12]

Exactly.

So Akber Ali here is supposedly 18 years old. Anyone can see the reasonably developed hair follicles (Maybe more in some other pics) but I am no judge, it can be just genetics.

View attachment 103211

Here is Naseem Shah (Supposedly 22-23 years old , I am not sure about which filter was used but, we can take these two pictures out to random people on the street anywhere in the world and ask them to guess ages. I am pretty sure what will be the result.

View attachment 103212

Not to forget Babar is supposedly hiding hi age and is actually 29-30.

So lets have a comparison.

Liton Das who is supposedly just a 25 year old guy next door.

View attachment 103213

Here is Babar Azam who was supposed 28-30 here:

View attachment 103214

I can put in multiple examples and pictures of BD players including the 32 year old Kahled Mehmud playing his last test or Tamim Iqbal at 19 debuting. BD players as per our fellow poster are not fudging and if they are fudging its merely 1-2 years in comparison to Pak players which are fudging by 5-6 years.

Lets have a look at 21 year old Shubman Gill:

View attachment 103215

Now have a look at Haider Ali who is 20 but supposedly he cant be as he is has to be 24 odd:

View attachment 103216

I could have posted numerous other examples. As per these pictures or any other pictures it would be a mystery to me how the Pak counter parts if fudging are fudging by 5-6 years but BD and Ind players are supposedly looking younger and if there is fudging its 1-2 years.

We can show all these pics to random people and I am pretty sure who they would say looks older. Even most posters here can see it with there naked eyes and tell if Pak players are looking 5-6 years older, maybe its the other way round or maybe its not much of a difference.

So I still back my post and claim that issue is there in whole of sub continent and one can easily argue with pictures and countless others can be posted to prove that argue some supposedly noble teams have it more.

Yes if Pak players have genetics which make them look younger or PCB is spending money on Botox and other such treatment then I am not sure maybe some people on this thread are right.

From the pictures we can clearly see Akbar Ali is comfortably older than the 23-year-old Naseem Shah. He looks older then Shaheen Shah 24 and I am not even comparing the 21 year old Shaheen Shah.

 

[anonymous_guy]

An under-19 aspirant trying his luck at the u19 open trial held at NSK, on 16th September 2020.



One of the oldest looking u19 kid. This is where PCB needs to tighten its grip they can't let age frauds get into the system.

 

[ExplicitAI]

He has good record against 4 out of 7 top8 nations he has played against in Odis (didn't bowl against NZL)
India- 26.33
Pak- 24
SRL- 10.75
WI- 20.20

In t20is, he has done well against 3 out of 4 top8 nations he has played against

Against Eng, 4-0-17-2
Against SRL, 4-0-27-1

Against WI, 9 wickets in 8 matches. Avg 22 eco of 6.48

Not bad for a player from an emerging cricketing nation.

Still do not rate him fully, once batsmen get a bit brave and start hitting him everywhere then he's a lost cause. If you play him cautiously then there's a chance you can get in trouble. Overall not really much of a threat, you just need to attack him head on and he'll go whimper in a corner.

 

[ElRaja]

lol, if sam curran was pakistani he would have taken 5 years off his age at least. no one would ever question it, dude still looks like a teenager.

pakistan really needs to get a grip on age fudging, unfort it seems like pcb have no clue of how to go about this, so just wanna bury their heads in the sand on the issue.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

An under-19 aspirant trying his luck at the u19 open trial held at NSK, on 16th September 2020.
View attachment 103240


One of the oldest looking u19 kid. This is where PCB needs to tighten its grip they can't let age frauds get into the system.

He looks like Deepak Chahar.

 

[BreadPakoda]

He looks like Deepak Chahar.

Probably bowls at the same pace too.

 

[zacattakk]

An under-19 aspirant trying his luck at the u19 open trial held at NSK, on 16th September 2020.
View attachment 103240


One of the oldest looking u19 kid. This is where PCB needs to tighten its grip they can't let age frauds get into the system.

The guys in the background could be under-19 but definitely not the bowler. I agree, the PCB has completely failed in this regard. Look at how they handled the Naseem Shah age issue. Poor, unprofessional stuff from Wasim Khan.

 

[Saj]

An under-19 aspirant trying his luck at the u19 open trial held at NSK, on 16th September 2020.
View attachment 103240


One of the oldest looking u19 kid. This is where PCB needs to tighten its grip they can't let age frauds get into the system.

Massive problem in Asian cricket over the years and continues to be a problem.

Not much has changed and there seems to be very little being done about it.

 

[ElRaja]

Massive problem in Asian cricket over the years and continues to be a problem.

Not much has changed and there seems to be very little being done about it.

ind at least acknowledged the issue, and i dont think theres been massively flagrant issues in sri lanka, esp with so much focus on school cricket. in pak its just accepted as a done thing, and its the attitude which fosters the fraud.

there needs to be an amnesty for all pak cricketers to reveal their real ages, then there needs to be enforced bans for this stuff.

 

[Pacy with wisdom]

I had a full beard at age 15 and by 17, had 16 inch biceps and broad shoulders; provided I worked out.

My brother who is 16, on the other hand is maturing at a slower pace.
He is also taller than me at 6'1, while I am 5'11 and yet doesn't have a full beard.

All my teenage years, people at my gym used to poke fun at me that I hid my age when I didnt. Once, I even took my school report card which had my age on it to prove it to them, and they would reject that as well by saying that it is understated.

Therefore, you cant be certain about someone's age just by looking at him because everybody's onset of puberty and maturation is different.

 

[ElRaja]

I had a full beard at age 15 and by 17, had 16 inch biceps and broad shoulders; provided I worked out.

My brother who is 16, on the other hand is maturing at a slower pace.
He is also taller than me at 6'1, while I am 5'11 and yet doesn't have a full beard.

All my teenage years, people at my gym used to poke fun at me that I hid my age when I didnt. Once, I even took my school report card which had my age on it to prove it to them, and they would reject that as well by saying that it is understated.

Therefore, you cant be certain about someone's age just by looking at him because everybody's onset of puberty and maturation is different.

i had a beard at 15 too, but the point is that people can only throw around these accusations cos the fundamental problem exists. if we knew that the pcb had a rigorous means of verifying player age a lot fo these issues would disappear.

but as it is, if you know anyone who has played any level of cricket in pakistan you will know age fudging it rampant, its not the exception, its the norm.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Naveed Malik (Rawalpindi Rams guy) used to have his DOB listed as 1982 on cricinfo back in 2010 or 2011, then it got changed to 1986 sometime after
Younis Khan openly states he is 4 years older than his stated age.
Shahid Afridi has told his dob in his book to be either 1975 or 76
Waqar Younis stated he was born in 1969 not 1971.

Majority of people with their dob with 1st day of the month have usually altered their dob here in Pak.

 

[RickyG]

My club mates who played with Zeeshan remember that the guy used to whine about having 1 year left till he crosses age of 19 and this was 6-7 years back. He fudged his age and its a well known thing amongest the club cricketers of Rawalpindi

I dont know about Haider Ali a i have left the club circle for quite a long time now. But looking at his pics i wont be surprised he is 3-5 years difference.

Age fudging it promoted at our clubs.

Zeeshan Malik will be turning 24 this month officially. So 6 years ago he would've been 18. It more or less checks out no?

 

[Artaxerxes]

I thought every Pakistan carries an ID and parents have to register their kids with national database authority so how are people fudging age these days?

 

[Nasty Naz]

I really don't understand why PCB allows players to obviously fudge and manipulate their age. All it means is the supposed "young" talent that you think is so great or to be excited about is actually older & possibly already at his peak. It also means that the player performing at the young age is performing better than his peers because he is simply older than them.

How is that a benefit to PCB whatsoever? It means that so called player isn't as talented as you think and you're basically investing into fools gold.

It becomes even more laughable when you see players like Afridi/Younis fudge their age by like 5 years and are like 40+ year old playing in the 15' world cup and then being surprised a squad led by bunch of 40 years old performed like total garbage.

It's truly mind boggling that the age fudging happens so much in Pakistan for no reason. Speaking from personal experience, even my wife has her age fudged by 1.5 years because her parents did it way back then for literally zero reason other than maybe being a bit smarter than your classmates because you're slightly older. Living in Canada for most of my life, I just can't even comprehend how or why this happens so easily. I really should ask my parents if my age has been fudged too lol.

 

[CleverSir]

I thought every Pakistan carries an ID and parents have to register their kids with national database authority so how are people fudging age these days?

The thing is, this was only implemented in early 2000s and serious electronic records only became a thing in the late 2000's. So players coming in from urban areas are probably the right age or +/- 1 year. Rural areas are a bit easier to fudge. I think the next batch that will come in after the 2023 world cup, will be their real ages. Unfortunately this is the side effect of being a developing country. However, I think we're headed in the right direction.

 

[CleverSir]

I really don't understand why PCB allows players to obviously fudge and manipulate their age. All it means is the supposed "young" talent that you think is so great or to be excited about is actually older and at a young age is performing better than his peers because he is simply older than them.

How is that a benefit to PCB whatsoever? It means that so called player isn't as talented as you think and you're basically investing into fools gold.

It becomes even more laughable when you see players like Afridi/Younis fudge their age by like 5 years and are like 40+ year old playing in the 15' world cup and then being surprised a squad led by bunch of 40 years old performed like total garbage.

It's truly mind boggling that the age fudging happens so much in Pakistan for no reason. Speaking from personal experience, even my wife has her age fudged by 1.5 years because her parents did it way back then for literally zero reason other than maybe being a bit smarter than your classmates because you're slightly older. Living in Canada for most of my life, I just can't even comprehend how or why this happens so easily. I really should ask my parents if my age has been fudged too lol.

What is the PCB supposed to do when the player brings in a government "birth certificate" indicating whatever age they are? The problem is with the record keepers, especially in the less urban areas who can be paid off to change the record and provide a fudged birth certificate. Things will get better as things records become digitized.

 

[Hitman]

Can't stand age-fudgers. It's blatant cheating. That picture of a 12 year old Rashid Khan makes me sick.

 

[Abdullah Rabbani]

What is the PCB supposed to do when the player brings in a government "birth certificate" indicating whatever age they are? The problem is with the record keepers, especially in the less urban areas who can be paid off to change the record and provide a fudged birth certificate. Things will get better as things records become digitized.

Law's are very strict these day's birth certificate is not issued until birth letter from hospital by 18 grade officer

 

[guldozer]

It will be harder to age-fudge going forward due to social media. So many people putting pictures of their kids when born/birthdays etc.

It will still happen, but it will be a lot harder to age-fudge.