[PICTURE] Saim Ayub versus Jake Fraser-McGurk

[mominsaigol]

Let me ask ask again. I thought I made it very clear but maybe not. Why has mediocre rizwan got better stats in all formats than any of our wk's. I am talking about Pakistani Wk's not Travis head. No go on and answer.

Because he plays in an easier era where certain metrics are equipped in his favour.

Claiming the words I am not talking about Travis head is total nonsense.

your whole premise implies a certain player is better then someone due to stats, yet now you're claiming that said logic also doesn't apply to certain players?

Okay first answer this, Why does your logic only have to apply to pakiatani players. Why are stats a perfect metric to explain why rizwan is superior to a certain keeper in Pakistan but said stats aren't metrics for players outside Pakistan?

 

[khyberlion]

Let me rephrase

You asked me to explain how medicore rizzu has superior stats to any pk wicket keeper.

^^ This is your premise. Your whole premise is hingent on arguing that rizzu is superior based of stats.

i explained why stats in this day and age are meaningless to compare past players and current players to.

You can't imply rizwan is > This PK keeper based of stats but then throw that logic out the window for Travis or klaseen. It exposes you as a hypocrite.

So we can't take stats in this day and age. So what do we take? I have seen our keepers from moin, rashid latif Kamran akmal etc and I can safely say he far better than them.

If we take your theory and for sake of argument he will still have better stats than those had he played in that era.

 

[mominsaigol]

So we can't take stats in this day and age. So what do we take? I have seen our keepers from moin, rashid latif Kamran akmal etc and I can safely say he far better than them.

If we take your theory and for sake of argument he will still have better stats than those had he played in that era.

So we can't take stats in this day and age.

No we can't until and unless he you agree that rizzu is > Travis head because he has the better numbers. Otherwise you're a hypocrite.

Moin and latif are weaker then rizzu as batters agreed on that. Not kamran.

If we take your theory and for sake of argument he will still have better stats than those had he played in that era.

Why? Based of what? Your own personal belief and observation bias

 

[khyberlion]

Answer your own question. Stop wish woshing

Is Rizwan better than Klaasen with an average twice as him? Why don’t you get all your fanboys to join you and work it out?

Answer your own question. Stop wish woshing

Is Rizwan better than Klaasen with an average twice as him? Why don’t you get all your fanboys to join you and work it out?

I don't need anyone help I have asked 1 questions and you can't answer. I will happily answer your question but that's not what I asked. Can you answer? If not don't bother replying.

 

[mominsaigol]

Epic ownage

This guy had it coming.

Rizwan in akmal's era would have been a bunny, This guy has no idea what he's talking about . KA had to frequently face Mcgrath in 2005.

Mcgrath literally owned Sachin who's considered the best batter of that era. Sachin has horrible numbers against mcgrath, Obviously KA wouldn't stand a chance.

Hilarious to think Rizzu is avg higher in an era where bowlers are more deadly due to reverse swing and it being harder to play the older ball due to one ball rule and old pp rules, Mcgrath is ever present for Australia and bi laterals are taken seriously so zero chance of any c side bashing happening.

Oh and no pitch ciration either. You get what you get.

 

[khyberlion]

So we can't take stats in this day and age.

No we can't until and unless he you agree that rizzu is > Travis head because he has the better numbers. Otherwise you're a hypocrite.

Moin and latif are weaker then rizzu as batters agreed on that. Not kamran.

If we take your theory and for sake of argument he will still have better stats than those had he played in that era.

Why? Based of what? Your own personal belief and observation bias

Let's play your game because you clearly can't answer. Travis Head has better average in tests. Better average in odis and far better SR and a match winning innings in a WC final. His average is lower than rizwan in t20s but his SR is far better than rizwan and for me ultimately Sr is more important in t20s provided you have a decent average.

Overall Travis head has better stats. Now answer my question.

 

[mominsaigol]

Rizwan in akmal's era would have been a bunny, This guy has no idea what he's talking about . KA had to frequently face Mcgrath in 2005.

Mcgrath literally owned Sachin who's considered the best batter of that era. Sachin has horrible numbers against mcgrath, Obviously KA wouldn't stand a chance.

Hilarious to think Rizzu is avg higher in an era where bowlers are more deadly due to reverse swing and it being harder to play the older ball due to one ball rule and old pp rules, Mcgrath is ever present for Australia and bi laterals are taken seriously so zero chance of any c side bashing happening.

Oh and no pitch ciration either. You get what you get.

By pitch curation I meant deliberately curation to give sides in test an advantage.

 

[khyberlion]

Rizwan in akmal's era would have been a bunny, This guy has no idea what he's talking about . KA had to frequently face Mcgrath in 2005.

Mcgrath literally owned Sachin who's considered the best batter of that era. Sachin has horrible numbers against mcgrath, Obviously KA wouldn't stand a chance.

Hilarious to think Rizzu is avg higher in an era where bowlers are more deadly due to reverse swing and it being harder to play the older ball due to one ball rule and old pp rules, Mcgrath is ever present for Australia and bi laterals are taken seriously so zero chance of any c side bashing happening.

Oh and no pitch ciration either. You get what you get.

Kamran akmal averaged 14 in Australia without facing much of MCgrath. Good try though.

 

[mominsaigol]

Let's play your game because you clearly can't answer. Travis Head has better average in tests. Better average in odis and far better SR and a match winning innings in a WC final. His average is lower than rizwan in t20s but his SR is far better than rizwan and for me ultimately Sr is more important in t20s provided you have a decent average.

Overall Travis head has better stats. Now answer my question.

Does Travis head have better stats then Babar? Who's better between those 2?

 

[khyberlion]

You’ve asked a dumb question shooting yourself in the foot.

Is Rizwan better than Klaasen having an average that is twice as him? Why are you so scared to answer this question?

Rizwan has better average and Sr than any of our wk.

 

[mominsaigol]

Kamran akmal averaged 14 in Australia without facing much of MCgrath. Good try though.

Doesn't really matter, and not the point

 

[khyberlion]

Does Travis head have better stats then Babar? Who's better between those 2?

So you won't answer and can't answer as expected.

 

[Rana]

Rizwan has better average and Sr than any of our wk.

But is he better than Klaasen as well?

 

[khyberlion]

Doesn't really matter, and not the point

Oh yes It doesn't matter now because it backfired. Kamran akmal was pretty much a tailender outside SC and let's not even talk about his WK.

 

[khyberlion]

But is he better than Klaasen as well?

Better than any Pakistan WK. That was the question. Do you acknowledge that rizwan has better average and Sr than anyone in Pakistan as a wk?

 

[mominsaigol]

Let's play your game because you clearly can't answer. Travis Head has better average in tests. Better average in odis and far better SR and a match winning innings in a WC final. His average is lower than rizwan in t20s but his SR is far better than rizwan and for me ultimately Sr is more important in t20s provided you have a decent average.

Overall Travis head has better stats. Now answer my question.

God your so dishonest it isn't even funny. Since I already answered.

I verbatim explained why stats don't matter in said age. Rizzu has better stats then saud shakeel if you compare their England and Bangladesh test series however saud's innings will he considered an atg innings whereas rizzu's 171 was rubbish in comparison.

Yet on stat sheets that 171 has obviously boosted rizzu's test avg despite it being a scam.

Rizzu bats in an easier era, Has benefitted from c string bashes, has benefitted from test road curation. Has benefitted from the 2 new ball and easy pp rules in odi etc etc.

Past players didn't have that luxury for obvious reasons.

By your twisted troll logic, Rizwan is a better odi player then gilchrist

 

[Rana]

Better than any Pakistan WK. That was the question. Do you acknowledge that rizwan has better average and Sr than anyone in Pakistan as a wk?

First you explain, is he better than Klaasen?

 

[khyberlion]

That's for everyone here to see who running away and can't answer anything. I ask a question about rizwan having better stats than our wk's. One is asking about Travis head and the other about klassen.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Guys no more personal remarks please

 

[Hyder]

Yes bro cricket started in Covid 19

Give logics because world cricket doesnt revolve around what u imagine. Its played in ground performance matters not ifs

Fakhar is great in odi but deserved to be dropped from t20i.

 

[Cricket Warrior]

This thread is not to discuss kamran Akmal or rizwan so better find a relevant thread... no more off topic discussion here.

 

[Kianig89]

Two lunatics continuously sell their powder to belittle Pakistan players. if McGurk wants advice from Babar they also have problem from this, every team has different methods to play & win games which these kracks are unable to understand.

 

[BouncerGuy]

ATM, Saim is leading the pack here. Both guys were over-hyped but Saim's scores are still better than JFM.

He is an IPL bully only. Should just keep playing there and smash those IPL bowlers only for now.

 

[Hyder]

Saim should develop his bowling moree and more. He is more than useful part timer. Will be a good option to rest sajid and nauman during long sessions. And can easily bowl 3 4 overs on regular basis in lois

 

[Cricket Warrior]

Well in the ODI series against Australia Saima Ayub proved that he can better absorb the pressure compared to Jake.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Never write off Aussies too soon. Out of nowhere they will become beasts.