[PICTURE] Strange question to ask during a tournament which is supposed to promote Pakistan?

[MenInG]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Strange question to ask during a tournament which is supposed to promote Pakistan <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/HBLPSL?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#HBLPSL</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a> <a href="https://t.co/d0VzeWlqlK">pic.twitter.com/d0VzeWlqlK</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/966737487191269376?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 22, 2018</a></blockquote>
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[UP]

Or maybe they are trying to raise awareness?

It is a big problem in India but there’s never a discussion when it comes to Pak.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Or maybe they are trying to raise awareness?

It is a big problem in India but there’s never a discussion when it comes to Pak.

Awareness is always good. But now we have people living comfy lives who use such stats to poverty shame countries, so one can understand why this is undesirable.

 

[j_kazmi]

It seemed like they were trying to make fun of it. Even though the organisers probably didn’t intend it.

 

[AssassinatedDevil]

There is a time and place for everything. If they want to raise awareness then do so in pakistan during commercial breaks. We don't need to remind the world about our problems, they wont be the ones installing toilets for us.

 

[DeadBall]

There is a time and place for everything. If they want to raise awareness then do so in pakistan during commercial breaks. We don't need to remind the world about our problems, they wont be the ones installing toilets for us.

How many people watch commercials? It is the perfect place to raise awareness as they did in the IPL too. Just because people feel uncomfortable due to the taboo nature doesn't change anything.

 

[DeadBall]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Strange question to ask during a tournament which is supposed to promote Pakistan <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/HBLPSL?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#HBLPSL</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a> <a href="https://t.co/d0VzeWlqlK">pic.twitter.com/d0VzeWlqlK</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/966737487191269376?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 22, 2018</a></blockquote>
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It is a real life issue and is something that about which social awareness should be created. Just because someone feels awkward about it does not make it strange.

 

[DeadBall]

Also increasing hygiene is a promotion of Pakistan. Reminds me of all those people commenting in the new born mortality rate as an Indian saazish and every other excuse available instead of actually addressing the problem.

 

[AssassinatedDevil]

How many people watch commercials? It is the perfect place to raise awareness as they did in the IPL too. Just because people feel uncomfortable due to the taboo nature doesn't change anything.

Alot of people tend to change the channel during ads to avoid them, but a good chunk of them will not change the channel since too lazy. Spreading such messages beyond game-time means that they can drill the same message into the minds of viewers as well, rather than just showing it couple of times during game-time.

 

[DeadBall]

Alot of people tend to change the channel during ads to avoid them, but a good chunk of them will not change the channel since too lazy. Spreading such messages beyond game-time means that they can drill the same message into the minds of viewers as well, rather than just showing it couple of times during game-time.

You are avoiding my main point. Do you think a hygiene issue is so vulgar that we have to hide it during ads? It is a very natural yet valid problem and just people with backward thinking have a problem with it.

 

[Pakistanian]

Pretty dumb

 

[shokz1408]

Lol yeah whatever answer is given it doesn't put pakistan in a good light. It raises awareness of some issues yes, but why would you want to promote that fact when trying to bring cricket back to pakistan. It felt awkward when that came up and rameez had to intervene.

 

[AssassinatedDevil]

You are avoiding my main point. Do you think a hygiene issue is so vulgar that we have to hide it during ads? It is a very natural yet valid problem and just people with backward thinking have a problem with it.

It is a valid problem but the PSL isn't a world renowned T20 league like the IPL. It doesn't have the leighway that the IPL has when it comes to addressing such issues publicly while maintaining the integrity of its home country. PSL doesn't have an established image like that of the IPL yet. It's only in its 3rd year so that's understandable. The organisers should be looking to portray Pakistan in the best light possible. They can raise awareness amongst the people that it actually concerns, which in this case are the natives in pakistan. I'm speaking from a commercial point of view, not a philanthropic one. Just because someone has opinions that don't line with yours doesn't mean they have backward thinking.

 

[DeadBall]

The organisers should be looking to portray Pakistan in the best light possible.

So you think Derulo singing with many females rubbing up against him portrayed Pakistan in the best light possible? Got it.

 

[AssassinatedDevil]

So you think Derulo singing with many females rubbing up against him portrayed Pakistan in the best light possible? Got it.

What are you on about? When did i say that about Derulo? Topic was about the promotion of the toilet stats. Please keep up.

 

[AssassinatedDevil]

Lol yeah whatever answer is given it doesn't put pakistan in a good light. It raises awareness of some issues yes, but why would you want to promote that fact when trying to bring cricket back to pakistan. It felt awkward when that came up and rameez had to intervene.

Exactly! This guy gets it.

 

[DeadBall]

Although I do get Saj and AD's point, promoting local problems on an international scene may not be good for the country's image, especially in the former stages. They could have raised the awareness later on. I was just playing the devils advocate as usual

 

[AssassinatedDevil]

Although I do get Saj and AD's point, promoting local problems on an international scene may not be good for the country's image, especially in the former stages. They could have raised the awareness later on. I was just playing the devils advocate as usual

Yes that is exactly my point. PSL is still trying to build a good reputation in the international scene. These things will not aid in accomplishing their mission.

 

[Gilly]

From my point of view it portrays Pakistan in a good way, it shows that Pakistan is addressing its problems and raising awareness. To overcome issues like this being upfront and open will only encourage solutions.

Australia do the same in our sports, we have cancer awareness and most recently domestic abuse, players, teams and supporters publicly spoke about how we need to address the problem of domestic abuse and sport is a good way to educate and change society. Sport is part of the community and should be used in a positive way to help change society for the better.

Highlighting the worst parts of your community and changing that will improve your community. It might feel good to highlight the good parts but it wont improve anything.

 

[Napa]

Or maybe they are trying to raise awareness?

It is a big problem in India but there’s never a discussion when it comes to Pak.

This is something which bothers the rich. The poor in the subcontinent (India, Pakistan, Bangladesh etc.) have bigger worries such as:

1) Will I be able to buy food for my family?

2) Will I be able to have a roof to shelter my family?

3) What will happen to my family if I suffer an injury and am not able to work?

4) What will happen to me when I am old and no longer able to work?

"Where am I going to take a s***?" comes much later in their list of worries. The rich however seem to be bothered about this issue for the sake of the poor. Obviously as they have a poor understanding of the lives of the poor.

 

[Barragan]

So, who was this directed at?

How many watching would even understand english?

Really bizarre and unnecessary.

 

[Belawal2014]

What was the answer?

 

[Madplayer]

I think it could have been done in a more creative way and a better time could have been choseb for it.

Rather than asking a question in English which only a small section of Pakistanis will understand and hardly anyone would know the answer of, they should have highlighted what the government, the NGOs, the people themselves are doing about this problem.

Its kinda pointless to ask such a question in a cricket match and doesnt send across a good message to the world. India's toilet campaign has given them names like "street sh***ers" in the international circles. Its very common for angraiz to poverty shame the desi countries. I'm not saying we should lessen our efforts to improve just because some people make fun of us. I am saying that we must use better measures which would improve our conditions and also maintain a good image on the international front. More creative ideas are needed to tackle such issues.

 

[saadibaba]

Strange question indeed. What's next:

How many sewer holes in Pakistan are not covered:

1) 1 million
2) 2 million
3) 3 million
4) Almost all of them

 

[good guy]

I think it could have been done in a more creative way and a better time could have been choseb for it.

Rather than asking a question in English which only a small section of Pakistanis will understand and hardly anyone would know the answer of, they should have highlighted what the government, the NGOs, the people themselves are doing about this problem.

Its kinda pointless to ask such a question in a cricket match and doesnt send across a good message to the world. India's toilet campaign has given them names like "street sh***ers" in the international circles. Its very common for angraiz to poverty shame the desi countries. I'm not saying we should lessen our efforts to improve just because some people make fun of us. I am saying that we must use better measures which would improve our conditions and also maintain a good image on the international front. More creative ideas are needed to tackle such issues.

it nothing new for foreign countries to make fun of india

before "street sh***ers" they use call Indian people as savage and snake charmer

 

[Indiafan]

This is something which bothers the rich. The poor in the subcontinent (India, Pakistan, Bangladesh etc.) have bigger worries such as:

1) Will I be able to buy food for my family?

2) Will I be able to have a roof to shelter my family?

3) What will happen to my family if I suffer an injury and am not able to work?

4) What will happen to me when I am old and no longer able to work?

"Where am I going to take a s***?" comes much later in their list of worries. The rich however seem to be bothered about this issue for the sake of the poor. Obviously as they have a poor understanding of the lives of the poor.

lack of toilets causes a lot of disease and deaths. Without good health poor will not be able to work and earn

 

[CricketCartoons]

I think it could have been done in a more creative way and a better time could have been choseb for it.

Rather than asking a question in English which only a small section of Pakistanis will understand and hardly anyone would know the answer of, they should have highlighted what the government, the NGOs, the people themselves are doing about this problem.

Its kinda pointless to ask such a question in a cricket match and doesnt send across a good message to the world. India's toilet campaign has given them names like "street sh***ers" in the international circles. Its very common for angraiz to poverty shame the desi countries. I'm not saying we should lessen our efforts to improve just because some people make fun of us. I am saying that we must use better measures which would improve our conditions and also maintain a good image on the international front. More creative ideas are needed to tackle such issues.

It is the middle class which gets embarrassed by poverty shaming because they have to deal with other nationalities on social media, and are the most conscious about national image. The poor don't have such reservations. So let those sitting in developed nations look down upon the poor and let the middle class get embarrassed, as long as the conditions of the poor get improved, it is non issue.

 

[TM Riddle]

Both India and Pakistan needs to learn from Bangaladesh which has brought down open defecation rates from 42% in 2003 to 1% in 2016. This could only become possible through various schemes and programmes initiated by BD Govt such as WASH interventions with the help of NGOs which focused on educating people about importance of toilets and how defecating in open could be detrimental to one's health. The results as we could all see were astonishing and the success story of Bangladesh in tackling this menace is an inspiration for developing countries around the world.

Programmes like Swachh Bharat Abhiyan that focus on constructing toilets can't do much in the face of deep rooted cultural beliefs about open defecation because they presume that people do not build toilets for financial reasons. If behavioral changes campaigns are not initiated to tackle the problem , Indians will continue to defecate in open even if they get toilets for free.

 

[TM Riddle]

lack of toilets causes a lot of disease and deaths. Without good health poor will not be able to work and earn

Open defecation is the primary cause of stunting among children below 5 years of age (Coliform bacteria) . In fact India has the most no of stunted children in the world.

 

[Madplayer]

It is the middle class which gets embarrassed by poverty shaming because they have to deal with other nationalities on social media, and are the most conscious about national image. The poor don't have such reservations. So let those sitting in developed nations look down upon the poor and let the middle class get embarrassed, as long as the conditions of the poor get improved, it is non issue.

Its not a completely non-issue. It might not be the most important issue, but an issue nevertheless. If a country's image takes hit in terms of it being hygenic enough for people, the influx of tourists would reduce. It can be a cause of harrassment for Indians or Pakistanis who visit other countries for education or work.

A country's image and how seriously it is taken internationally is a well rounded package which includes minor things like these. Obviously we cant stop raising awareness about such things but all i am saying is that our target is the desi people of India and Pakistan etc. Why let the world know about our problems? The world would do nothing but laugh. We need to be more creative about it.

 

[Madplayer]

Both India and Pakistan needs to learn from Bangaladesh which has brought down open defecation rates from 42% in 2003 to 1% in 2016. This could only become possible through various schemes and programmes initiated by BD Govt such as WASH interventions with the help of NGOs which focused on educating people about importance of toilets and how defecating in open could be detrimental to one's health. The results as we could all see were astonishing and the success story of Bangladesh in tackling this menace is an inspiration for developing countries around the world.

Programmes like Swachh Bharat Abhiyan that focus on constructing toilets can't do much in the face of deep rooted cultural beliefs about open defecation because they presume that people do not build toilets for financial reasons. If behavioral changes campaigns are not initiated to tackle the problem , Indians will continue to defecate in open even if they get toilets for free.

Very well put. Many of these toilets constructef under SBA are being used as places to cook and store stocks of food and other items by many people. Behavioural changes need to be targetted and so far the efforts havent been too serious in this aspect. To be honest it will take time even if they start now.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Why did they ban Indian movie 'Padman' then?

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

Strange question indeed. What's next:

How many sewer holes in Pakistan are not covered:

1) 1 million
2) 2 million
3) 3 million
4) Almost all of them

Imagine the horror of falling in one of those holes

Pakistani city councils are a shameless bunch.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Its not a completely non-issue. It might not be the most important issue, but an issue nevertheless. If a country's image takes hit in terms of it being hygenic enough for people, the influx of tourists would reduce. It can be a cause of harrassment for Indians or Pakistanis who visit other countries for education or work.

A country's image and how seriously it is taken internationally is a well rounded package which includes minor things like these. Obviously we cant stop raising awareness about such things but all i am saying is that our target is the desi people of India and Pakistan etc. Why let the world know about our problems? The world would do nothing but laugh. We need to be more creative about it.

Before SBA, India had a neat and clean image.

 

[Napa]

lack of toilets causes a lot of disease and deaths. Without good health poor will not be able to work and earn

Not necessarily. It depends upon where they live. In rural areas it is not a health problem, but in cities it is.

A large percentage of the total Indian population and most of those without toilets live in the rural areas.

 

[kaayal]

Not necessarily. It depends upon where they live. In rural areas it is not a health problem, but in cities it is.

A large percentage of the total Indian population and most of those without toilets live in the rural areas.

Come on, don't support these open defecation. Whether rural or urban, it does affect the health of the people living nearby. Just because people have lived with this in the past is not an excuse to not use a toilet now.

 

[TM Riddle]

Not necessarily. It depends upon where they live. In rural areas it is not a health problem, but in cities it is.

A large percentage of the total Indian population and most of those without toilets live in the rural areas.

Hain?? Ye kaha se naya concept laaye ho?

 

[Napa]

Come on, don't support these open defecation. Whether rural or urban, it does affect the health of the people living nearby. Just because people have lived with this in the past is not an excuse to not use a toilet now.

I am not supporting open defecation. What I am saying is that it bothers the rich to see the poor do it. I would first try to provide food and old-age security to the poor before trying to provide them toilets.

 

[TM Riddle]

I am not supporting open defecation. What I am saying is that it bothers the rich to see the poor do it. I would first try to provide food and old-age security to the poor before trying to provide them toilets.

It affects the rural people a LOT since they are the ones practicing it most. You are assuming way too much.

 

[Napa]

Hain?? Ye kaha se naya concept laaye ho?

Go out and explore India, you will learn a few things. It shouldn't be hard to understand that sewage systems do not exist in rural areas.

Open defecation can lead to diseases if not separated from fields where food is grown. The relation between poop and farming is complicated.

Often known by its euphemistic name “night soil,” the most famous example of raw human waste application might be China, where human excrement was used for centuries in an attempt to close the nutrient cycle in their fields, something that agricultural scientist F.H. King cited in the early 20th century as the reason behind China’s seemingly perennial fertility. While night soil might have helped China’s land retain crucial nutrients, it didn’t win any awards for public health. Because the night soil was often untreated, pathogens could easily be transferred to both humans and food (so eating raw vegetation was seriously frowned upon).

https://modernfarmer.com/2014/07/stink-human-poop-fertilizer/

 

[TM Riddle]

Go out and explore India, you will learn a few things. It shouldn't be hard to understand that sewage systems do not exist in rural areas.

Open defecation can lead to diseases if not separated from fields where food is grown. The relation between poop and farming is complicated.



https://modernfarmer.com/2014/07/stink-human-poop-fertilizer/

I have spent my first 12 years of life in my village. Still visit it regularly as nearly half of my family including my grandparents live there. I think it is safe to assume that I know a thing or two about rural India.
And no it's not just via food that micro organisms can reach inside your body , many parasites can cling via other routes as well . Do you know Diarrheal diseases kill 700K children in India alone most of which could have been prevented with better sanitation. Also childhood stunting in which India tops the list again is primarily associated with open defecation and found primarily among rural children.
Children weakened by Diarrheal episodes are more vulnerable to malnutrition and opportunistic infections such as Pneumonia.
And to top all of that , it's a nightmare for the rural women. For them having no toilet is both a nuisance and danger and they often have to wait for nightfall for privacy.
It's a menace for both Urban and Rural India.

 

[Napa]

I have spent my first 12 years of life in my village. Still visit it regularly as nearly half of my family including my grandparents live there. I think it is safe to assume that I know a thing or two about rural India.
And no it's not just via food that micro organisms can reach inside your body , many parasites can cling via other routes as well . Do you know Diarrheal diseases kill 700K children in India alone most of which could have been prevented with better sanitation. Also childhood stunting in which India tops the list again is primarily associated with open defecation and found primarily among rural children.
Children weakened by Diarrheal episodes are more vulnerable to malnutrition and opportunistic infections such as Pneumonia.
And to top all of that , it's a nightmare for the rural women. For them having no toilet is both a nuisance and danger and they often have to wait for nightfall for privacy.
It's a menace for both Urban and Rural India.

Okay, granted you have a lot of experience with rural India. Do you think lack of access to toilets is a bigger problem than lack of food, sickness, injury and old-age security?

 

[TM Riddle]

Okay, granted you have a lot of experience with rural India. Do you think lack of access to toilets is a bigger problem than lack of food, sickness, injury and old-age security?

I think they are all interconnected and thus be given equal importance. Production of food isn't a problem in India having acquired self sufficient status in production of grains in the late 80s. It's the distribution and providing food security to the people living below poverty line which is a issue because of the presence of leakages in the supply chain and faulty implemention of schemes as well as the lack of political will.
Health sector I admit has a major infrastructure related problems as well as lack of doctors and GOI should focus in this sector a lot more than it usually does but both it and open defecation are related considering the latter is a major cause of diseases in the rural household esp amongst the children therefore imo a holistic and comprehensive approach is the need of the hour to tackle all of these issues.

 

[Napa]

I think they are all interconnected and thus be given equal importance. Production of food isn't a problem in India having acquired self sufficient status in production of grains in the late 80s. It's the distribution and providing food security to the people living below poverty line which is a issue because of the presence of leakages in the supply chain and faulty implemention of schemes as well as the lack of political will.
Health sector I admit has a major infrastructure related problems as well as lack of doctors and GOI should focus in this sector a lot more than it usually does but both it and open defecation are related considering the latter is a major cause of diseases in the rural household esp amongst the children therefore imo a holistic and comprehensive approach is the need of the hour to tackle all of these issues.

I am all for an holistic approach to solve the different problems, and hygiene is one part of that approach. Talking about only toilets makes me think that it is the sensibilities of the rich that are being addressed rather than the needs of the poor.

 

[TM Riddle]

I am all for an holistic approach to solve the different problems, and hygiene is one part of that approach. Talking about only toilets makes me think that it is the sensibilities of the rich that are being addressed rather than the needs of the poor.

I think it's only in the recent times that this issue gained so much attention. Before SBA we had Nirmal Bharat Abhiyan but very few people (read Westerners) knew or cared about it . Modi made sure the whole world knows about it . Not that there's anything wrong in that.

 

[Napa]

I think it's only in the recent times that this issue gained so much attention. Before SBA we had Nirmal Bharat Abhiyan but very few people (read Westerners) knew or cared about it . Modi made sure the whole world knows about it . Not that there's anything wrong in that.

Think of it in another way. According to the World Bank, currently about 20% of India's population is in extreme poverty. Also, about 50% of India's population does not have access to a toilet. So about 30% of India's population is not in extreme poverty but does not have access to toilets.

I would first worry about those in extreme poverty before worrying about getting the other 30% toilets.

When India launched the Mars Orbiter, western publications like the Economist reacted by saying "50% of Indians don't have access to toilets". If they had instead said "India has many poor people who do not have food and old-age security. There are also health care issues like the recent spread of mosquito borne diseases and lack of toilets" I would have had a bit more respect for them. Instead they came across as rich people judging the lives of the poor by their own sensibilities.

 

[Suleiman]

From my point of view it portrays Pakistan in a good way, it shows that Pakistan is addressing its problems and raising awareness. To overcome issues like this being upfront and open will only encourage solutions.

Australia do the same in our sports, we have cancer awareness and most recently domestic abuse, players, teams and supporters publicly spoke about how we need to address the problem of domestic abuse and sport is a good way to educate and change society. Sport is part of the community and should be used in a positive way to help change society for the better.

Highlighting the worst parts of your community and changing that will improve your community. It might feel good to highlight the good parts but it wont improve anything.

Wasn't sure how I felt about this but that's a good way to look at things. Even as a person you should embrace your shortcomings and work on them and not let them be your insecurities.

 

[humzy]

Why are you trying to hide problems in your country, especially in a sports arena where historically it has been a platform to raise awareness for issues.

I see a lot of insecurity in this thread. If the people of Pakistan would look at how to solve the issue rather then hide it out of embarrassment maybe there wouldn't be an issue of toilets.

 

[AssassinatedDevil]

The PSL is like a 3 year old baby. You can't treat it as a means to solve all the problems of the family it belongs to. Corruption, lack of toilets, hygiene issues are all important issues but they shouldn't be burdened on a cricket league still in its infancy which has alot to prove to this day. You don't tell your newborn about your family's financial struggles. You give him/her time to grow and develop for years until they are made aware of such isssues. The only goal organisers should be looking to achieve is to portray Pakistan and Pakistani Cricket in a good light and speed up the process of the return of international cricket to pakistan. All of these philanthropic needs and campaigns come second. There will be plenty of time for all this when Game 1 and all successives matches of the tournament are held in its home country. After all, the PSL is a commercial sporting tournament, not a subsidiary of the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation.

 

[UN talkz]

To me there is nothing wrong in it but that's only my opinion.