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I have no issues with Muslims...I have an issue with Islamist terrorism...if you're conflating the two that's your issue...I haven't done that...and most people in London are smart enough to tell the difference between Muslims who want to be part of this country and those who want to destroy it...

You're busy creating a straw man while my initial post took issue with the fact that over 70 terrorists have been released...

If I have discussed Muslims in particular it's in relation to the nauseating victim complex where the actual victims of every terror attack are Muslims cos of apparent bias in the labeling process...don't let facts get in the way...

The other issue I have addressed is this obsession with false flag...

Terror attacks are part and parcel of living in the capital now...how beneficial it is and to who will depend on how the political parties address it...

So far Boris has tried to blame Labour...this when the conservatives got rid of the IPP's and in 10 years didn't amend the probation set up...he had awful answers on police numbers and appeared every bit the numpty that he is...

And Corbyn the naive, utopian he is decided to answer 'not necessarily' when asked if terrorists should serve their full terms...

So 1-1 I'd say and not cos anyone is handling this well...it's just difficult to tell who is a more mediocre candidate out of the two...

As a uk citizen of muslim faith, I'm worried about this extreme ideology which is undermining the peacefull and fastest growing religion in the world Islam, as you may be aware that religious terrorrism is in the UK now is secondary to right wing terrorism which the secret services have foiled on a regular basis, this for me is more concetning
 
I have no issues with Muslims...I have an issue with Islamist terrorism...if you're conflating the two that's your issue...I haven't done that...and most people in London are smart enough to tell the difference between Muslims who want to be part of this country and those who want to destroy it...

You're busy creating a straw man while my initial post took issue with the fact that over 70 terrorists have been released...

If I have discussed Muslims in particular it's in relation to the nauseating victim complex where the actual victims of every terror attack are Muslims cos of apparent bias in the labeling process...don't let facts get in the way...

The other issue I have addressed is this obsession with false flag...

Terror attacks are part and parcel of living in the capital now...how beneficial it is and to who will depend on how the political parties address it...

So far Boris has tried to blame Labour...this when the conservatives got rid of the IPP's and in 10 years didn't amend the probation set up...he had awful answers on police numbers and appeared every bit the numpty that he is...

And Corbyn the naive, utopian he is decided to answer 'not necessarily' when asked if terrorists should serve their full terms...

So 1-1 I'd say and not cos anyone is handling this well...it's just difficult to tell who is a more mediocre candidate out of the two...

I am not really sure what you are talking about here, your straw man argument seems to be dancing around my point quite consistently. So Muslims have a victim mentality, yet the victims themselves are Muslim? Does that mean the victims have a victim mentality as well? Really confusing.

So your intial post was about 70 terrorists getting released. Great. That certainly turned out well.

Also don't try to be cute, you are a well known Islamophobe, your post history isn't exactly a secret. Nothing wrong with that either, you should just own it.
 
I am not really sure what you are talking about here, your straw man argument seems to be dancing around my point quite consistently. So Muslims have a victim mentality, yet the victims themselves are Muslim? Does that mean the victims have a victim mentality as well? Really confusing.

So your intial post was about 70 terrorists getting released. Great. That certainly turned out well.

Also don't try to be cute, you are a well known Islamophobe, your post history isn't exactly a secret. Nothing wrong with that either, you should just own it.

The victims yesterday were the two that died...yet some are moaning about the 'terrorism' label being given to a terrorist...ie Muslims are the victims of London Bridge...it is pretty boring now...

I have an issue with the tenets of Islam as my post history will tell, and I prefer strong responses to terrorism as my post history will tell...I do challenge you to find a post where I attack Muslims as a people...good luck with finding that...

Well it would have turned out better if posters here didnt simply obsess over false flags and he's a terrorist cos he's got a beard...
 
As a uk citizen of muslim faith, I'm worried about this extreme ideology which is undermining the peacefull and fastest growing religion in the world Islam, as you may be aware that religious terrorrism is in the UK now is secondary to right wing terrorism which the secret services have foiled on a regular basis, this for me is more concetning

Not correct...it's not secondary ...a little over a quarter of terror attacks foiled over the last two years have been right wing...14 out of 19 were Islamist and 5 were right wing...

Should the growth in right wing terror be fought...absolutely...and it seems our security services are doing a good job of it...as they are with Islamist terror...

Its our judicial system which is a joke...
 
Finsbury Park wasn't back Street and it was used until these nutters were banned.

In the posters defence Choudhary since his release has been rejected by these mosques...he's pretty much been holed up in his Camden hostel...

Still an absolute disgrace that he has been released...
 
Strong refutation mate :)

Yeah coz you’re not worth more than this. The point has been laid out a few times, which you are deliberately avoiding.

The hidden agenda behind your behaviour is obvious.
 
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Boris Johnson has told the BBC that 74 people jailed for terror offences and released early will have their licence conditions reviewed.

The Ministry of Justice launched the urgent review after convicted terrorist Usman Khan, who had served half of his sentence, killed two people in a knife attack at London Bridge on Friday.

The prime minister claimed scrapping early release would have stopped him.

But Labour is blaming budget cuts for "missed chances to intervene".

One of the victims has been named by police as 25-year-old Jack Merritt. The second victim has not been named, but the University of Cambridge has confirmed she was a former student.

One of the three other people injured was a member of staff from the university.

Dr Vin Diwakar, medical director for NHS London, said two victims remain in a stable condition in hospital, while a third has been discharged.

They were all attending an event to mark five years of the Learning Together programme - which gives students and inmates the opportunity to study together to help reduce re-offending.

Friday's attack was brought to an end when police shot Khan dead.

The 28-year-old had previously been jailed over a plot to bomb the London Stock Exchange in 2012.

He was sentenced to indeterminate detention for "public protection" with a minimum jail term of eight years.

This sentence would have allowed him to be kept in prison beyond the minimum term.

But in 2013, the Court of Appeal quashed the sentence, replacing it with a 16-year-fixed term of which Khan should serve half in prison.

He was released on licence in December 2018 - subject to an "extensive list of licence conditions", Met Police Assistant Commissioner Neil Basu said.

'Repulsive'
The prime minister told the BBC's Andrew Marr show it was "repulsive" that someone as "dangerous" as Khan could be released from prison after "only serving eight years".

He blamed Khan's release on legislation introduced under "a leftie government", insisting the automatic release scheme was introduced by Labour - but was challenged about what the Conservatives had done to change the law over the past 10 years in government.

"I'm a new prime minister," said Mr Johnson. "We take a different approach."

He added: "I opposed [automatic release] both in 2003 and 2008, and now that I am prime minister I'm going to take steps to make sure that people are not released early when they commit... serious sexual, violent or terrorist offences.

"I absolutely deplore that fact that this man was out on the streets... and we are going to take action against it."

Mr Johnson said there are "probably about 74 people" who had been subject to early release following serious offences, adding that action had been taken immediately following London Bridge attack "to ensure there is no threat to the public".

The Ministry of Justice confirmed the 74 figure following the interview.

Earlier, Foreign Secretary Dominic Raab said the party had a new policy to enforce a minimum sentence of 14 years for a person convicted of serious terrorist offences.

How the law on early release changed

2003 - The Criminal Justice Act meant most offenders would be automatically released halfway through sentences, but the most "dangerous" would have their cases looked at by a Parole Board. Sentences with no fixed end point, called Imprisonment for Public Protection (IPP), were also introduced.

2008 - Criminal Justice and Immigration Act removed review process by Parole Boards, meaning more offenders were released automatically halfway through sentences. Judges could still hand down life sentences or IPPs for dangerous offenders.

2012 - Usman Khan was handed a sentence with no fixed end date because of the risk he posed to the public. In the same year, the Legal Aid, Sentencing and Punishment of Offenders Act scrapped IPPs and reintroduced the role of the Parole Board for extended sentences of 10 years or more - this time after two-thirds of the sentence has passed. But that did not mean those already serving IPPs would have them lifted.

2013 - During an appeal, Lord Justice Leveson ruled that Khan's indeterminate sentence should be substituted for an extended sentence with automatic release at the halfway point.

At an event in York, Jeremy Corbyn called for an inquiry into "everything surrounding" Khan, including his sentence and what happened to him in prison.

But he warned against "knee-jerk legislation", saying the country could "pay a price later".

In his speech, the Labour leader said: "No government can prevent every attack. No-one would believe any political leader who said they could.

"But the government can act to make such acts of terror less, rather than more likely."

Mr Corbyn said there needed to be more funding for public services, including probation and mental health, as when they are cut "they leave behind gaps".

He added: "That can lead to missed chances to intervene in the lives of people who go on to commit inexcusable acts, whether it's during their childhood, their first brush with the law, their first conviction or in prison through rehabilitation programmes.

"You can't keep people safe on the cheap."

Mr Corbyn told Sky's Sophy Ridge programme terrorists should "not necessarily" serve their full sentences automatically, but that it "depends on circumstances".

"There has to be an examination of how our prison services work and crucially what happens when they are released from prison," he said.

Both parties have been accused of politicising the attack.

Liberal Democrat deputy leader Ed Davey told Sophy Ridge on Sunday that he was "alarmed" at Mr Johnson's reaction to the London Bridge attack.

"In the middle of an election, we shouldn't be making political capital out of a tragedy, and he's doing that, and he's doing that in a way which is misleading people about what the law actually says."

But Brexit Party leader Nigel Farage tweeted that those convicted of terror offences "should never be released".

"It is appalling that 74 convicted terrorists are on our streets," he added. "These are not ordinary criminals but people with a jihadi virus."

The father of Jack Merritt, who was a course co-ordinator for Learning Together, said in a now-deleted tweet that his son "would not wish his death to be used as the pretext for more draconian sentences or for detaining people unnecessarily".

Foreign secretary Dominic Raab said David Merritt should be listened to, declaring "nobody wants to see the politicisation of this".

But he added: "The question is, who is going to make sure that the overriding priority is avoiding any unnecessary risk to the public?"

"I think if you look at what we're saying on sentencing... it is the Conservatives who are saying we will stop at nothing to keep people safe."

Khan was living in Stafford and wearing a GPS police tag when he launched his attack inside Fishmongers' Hall, where he was one of dozens of students and offenders attending a conference hosted by Learning Together, a prisoners' rehabilitation programme.

The attack then continued onto London Bridge itself.

Mr Basu said officers had been working "flat out" to try to establish the "full circumstances" of the stabbing.


https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-50618744
 
In the posters defence Choudhary since his release has been rejected by these mosques...he's pretty much been holed up in his Camden hostel...

Still an absolute disgrace that he has been released...

I know, but back in the day it has its moments until people realised that these guys were on a mission to damage Muslims and Islam. I guarantee that in a few years time most of these guys will turn out to be M15 agents, just like some of the IRA guys were back in the 70s and 80s.
 
As per usual your opinions are baseless...

The convicted terrorist was somehow coerced by the Tory party to wear a suicide vest and get shot...smart argument...feel free to give a logical explanation for this...and how also this attack actually disadvantages the Tories...

Are you going to make a similar argument for the murderer of Jo Cox or was he also coerced into murdering her?...

I live in this city...it frustrates me that we have released over 100 terrorists over the last couple years...our police and intelligence services have it hard enough...and deserve better from our judicial system which gives convicted terrorists a slap on the wrist...

You live in London? Not sure why you are so frustrated, you are 100x more likely to be stabbed by someone from your own ethnic background but it doesn't bother you for some reason.

Not sure who you are trying to fool here. You are pushing the Islamaphobic agenda, you don't care about human beings dying as a supporter of Israel.
 
The woman killed in Friday's London Bridge attack has been named by police as Saskia Jones.

The 23-year-old Cambridge University graduate, from Stratford-upon-Avon, was fatally stabbed alongside another ex-student, Jack Merritt.

The boss of the venue where the attack began which killed the pair said "the building turned into a nightmare".

Toby Williamson, of Fishmongers' Hall, said staff who fought attacker Usman Khan believed he was wearing a bomb.

Two men took chairs, fire extinguishers and narwhal tusks, which were hanging on the wall, to fend off Khan, driving him out of the building.

Khan, 28, a convicted terrorist who was released from prison in December 2018, was later shot dead by police on London Bridge.

The families of Mr Merritt and Ms Jones have both paid tribute to their loved ones.

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Jack Merritt's family said he was 'looking forward to building a future with his girlfriend, Leanne'
In a statement, Mr Merritt's family described him as a "talented boy" who "died doing what he loved".

"Jack lived his principles; he believed in redemption and rehabilitation, not revenge, and he always took the side of the underdog.

"Jack was an intelligent, thoughtful and empathetic person.

"We know Jack would not want this terrible, isolated incident to be used as a pretext by the government for introducing even more draconian sentences on prisoners, or for detaining people in prison for longer than necessary," the statement concluded.


Media captionVideo footage shows moment London Bridge attacker was apprehended
Ms Jones' family said their daughter, from Stratford-upon-Avon in Warwickshire, had a "great passion" for supporting victims of criminal justice.

"Saskia was a funny, kind, positive influence at the centre of many people's lives," the family statement read.

"She had a wonderful sense of mischievous fun and was generous to the point of always wanting to see the best in all people.

"She was intent on living life to the full and had a wonderful thirst for knowledge, enabling her to be the best she could be.

"This is an extremely painful time for the family. Saskia will leave a huge void in our lives and we would request that our privacy is fully respected."

Cambridge University's vice-chancellor said he was "devastated to learn that among the victims were staff and alumni".

Professor Stephen J Toope said the victims were taking part in an event "to mark five years of the university's Learning Together programme" - which focuses on prisoner rehabilitation.

He added: "What should have been a joyous opportunity to celebrate the achievements of this unique and socially transformative programme, hosted by our Institute of Criminology, was instead disrupted by an unspeakable criminal act.

"Among the three people injured, whose identities have not been publicly released, is a member of university staff.

"Our university condemns this abhorrent and senseless act of terror."

Speaking to the BBC, Prof Toope said the fact Mr Merritt was killed by someone he was trying to help "is the greatest tragedy of all".

"I have profound sadness for the family," he added.

"This is an attack on our community and it was intended, in such, to produce a form of terror and sadness - and it has clearly done that."

'Extraordinary' actions
Speaking about the chain of events inside Fishmongers' Hall on Friday, where Khan launched his fatal attack, chief executive Mr Williamson praised the bravery of his staff who intervened to stop the attacker, hailing their actions as "extraordinary things done by ordinary people".

"There was a scream, there was blood. People thought it was an exercise at first," Mr Williamson told the BBC.

He recounted how two men, named as Lukasz and Andy, "used fire extinguishers, chairs and narwhal tusks ripped off the wall" to take the fight back to Khan

"They took a decision, one that enough was enough. They were determined it wasn't going to go on."

"They are two of the most humble people... but in the heat of the moment, people do extraordinary things.

"I am very proud to know them."

Earlier in the day, hundreds attended a service at Southwark Cathedral for the victims of Friday's attack on London Bridge.

The Dean of Southwark Cathedral, the Very Revd Andrew Nunn, said many people were struggling with what happened.

On Friday, the cathedral was put into lockdown as people ran away from London Bridge.

As crowds ran towards the cathedral, Mr Nunn recalled having "that sense of déjà vu", adding that it brought back memories of the nearby attack in Borough Market two years ago, which left eight dead and 48 injured.

Speaking at Sunday's service, Mr Nunn said "memories have been stirred and wounds have been re-opened".

He added: "What seemed to have been put to the back of people's minds has now been brought to the fore.

"We have to stand with them. We have to help bear their pain but also speak to that pain with words of hope."

Mr Nunn, too, praised the bravery of the people who confronted Khan as he carried out his attack.

"Every event of this nature produces stories of such selfless acts of bravery."

Dr Vin Diwaker, medical director for the NHS in London, gave an update on the conditions of the three people who were injured in the attack.

He said: "One of the people injured in the London Bridge incident has now been able to return home.

"Two people remain in a stable condition and continue to receive expert care in hospital."

Friday's attack comes after the UK's terrorism threat level was downgraded on 4 November from "severe" to "substantial", meaning that attacks were thought to be "likely" rather than "highly likely".

The terror threat level is reviewed every six months by the Joint Terrorism Analysis Centre, which makes recommendations independent of government.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-50621581
 
RIP. Those 2 young people didnt deserve the end of their life like this.

Police and Torries have some serious questions to answer about this. Austerity measure have gone too far. Knife crime is on steady rise (esp in London).
 
Finsbury Park wasn't back Street and it was used until these nutters were banned.

I think I have been put into this forum to expose all the liars.

The chairman of Finsbury Park Mosque actually won damages against The Telegraph for claims of supporting ISIL/ISIS/DAESH (which ever name you like).

You also seem to be referring to Abu Hamza in your post, who was wrongly allowed by the mosque committee to become the imam but the moment they realised what he was, they asked him to leave. His followers, mostly criminals who were newly brainwashed into what they thought was Islam used intimidation and violence to stop the committee from functioning. At this time, almost every Muslim in the area stopped attending the mosque and it was filled with a handful of these extremists. The committee then filed for an injunction in court, which they won BUT it was the UK authorities which refused to impose it. It was also the British authorities which refused to have him extradited to the US.

Now after that exposure, would you like to name a few other mosques that you claim are the problem? I can wait all day.
 
I think I have been put into this forum to expose all the liars.

The chairman of Finsbury Park Mosque actually won damages against The Telegraph for claims of supporting ISIL/ISIS/DAESH (which ever name you like).

You also seem to be referring to Abu Hamza in your post, who was wrongly allowed by the mosque committee to become the imam but the moment they realised what he was, they asked him to leave. His followers, mostly criminals who were newly brainwashed into what they thought was Islam used intimidation and violence to stop the committee from functioning. At this time, almost every Muslim in the area stopped attending the mosque and it was filled with a handful of these extremists. The committee then filed for an injunction in court, which they won BUT it was the UK authorities which refused to impose it. It was also the British authorities which refused to have him extradited to the US.

Now after that exposure, would you like to name a few other mosques that you claim are the problem? I can wait all day.

I was referring to Finsbury Mosque when I said not so back Street but it should never have been allowed to be taken over by these nutters.
 
I think I have been put into this forum to expose all the liars.

The chairman of Finsbury Park Mosque actually won damages against The Telegraph for claims of supporting ISIL/ISIS/DAESH (which ever name you like).

You also seem to be referring to Abu Hamza in your post, who was wrongly allowed by the mosque committee to become the imam but the moment they realised what he was, they asked him to leave. His followers, mostly criminals who were newly brainwashed into what they thought was Islam used intimidation and violence to stop the committee from functioning. At this time, almost every Muslim in the area stopped attending the mosque and it was filled with a handful of these extremists. The committee then filed for an injunction in court, which they won BUT it was the UK authorities which refused to impose it. It was also the British authorities which refused to have him extradited to the US.

Now after that exposure, would you like to name a few other mosques that you claim are the problem? I can wait all day.

Wasting your time lol
 
I was referring to Finsbury Mosque when I said not so back Street but it should never have been allowed to be taken over by these nutters.

I have already refuted your claims, stop re-posting your first thread and answer the points I made, or counter them or just accept you were wrong. I have already scared hitwicket from his thread, robert is running around trying to save face and mamoon is terrified. You better up your game or leave.
 
I have already refuted your claims, stop re-posting your first thread and answer the points I made, or counter them or just accept you were wrong. I have already scared hitwicket from his thread, robert is running around trying to save face and mamoon is terrified. You better up your game or leave.

Lol, it reminds me of The good, The bad, and the ugly
 
I have already refuted your claims, stop re-posting your first thread and answer the points I made, or counter them or just accept you were wrong. I have already scared hitwicket from his thread, robert is running around trying to save face and mamoon is terrified. You better up your game or leave.

I am not sure why you are getting excited for, I was right on Finsbury Mosque.
 
Israeli fan boys have arrived. lol


On topic.

The chap doesn't know what day of the week it is. Imo he was released and co-erced into attacking someone so they could try to ruin Labours chances.

Dancing Israelis again after this news.

Co-erced into attacking someone?
Do you have proof of this or it’s something you are going to make up to sell your narrative?
 
London Bridge: Woman killed in attack named as Saskia Jones

The woman killed in Friday's London Bridge attack has been named by police as Saskia Jones.

The 23-year-old Cambridge University graduate, from Stratford-upon-Avon, was fatally stabbed alongside another ex-student, Jack Merritt.

The boss of the venue where the attack began which killed the pair said "the building turned into a nightmare".

Toby Williamson, of Fishmongers' Hall, said staff who fought attacker Usman Khan believed he was wearing a bomb.

Two men took chairs, fire extinguishers and narwhal tusks, which were hanging on the wall, to fend off Khan, driving him out of the building.

Khan, 28, a convicted terrorist who was released from prison in December 2018, was later shot dead by police on London Bridge.

The families of Mr Merritt and Ms Jones have both paid tribute to their loved ones.

In a statement, Mr Merritt's family described him as a "talented boy" who "died doing what he loved".

"Jack lived his principles; he believed in redemption and rehabilitation, not revenge, and he always took the side of the underdog.

"Jack was an intelligent, thoughtful and empathetic person.

"We know Jack would not want this terrible, isolated incident to be used as a pretext by the government for introducing even more draconian sentences on prisoners, or for detaining people in prison for longer than necessary," the statement read.

Ms Jones' family said their daughter, from Stratford-upon-Avon in Warwickshire, had a "great passion" for supporting victims of criminal justice.

"Saskia was a funny, kind, positive influence at the centre of many people's lives," the family statement read.

"She had a wonderful sense of mischievous fun and was generous to the point of always wanting to see the best in all people.

"She was intent on living life to the full and had a wonderful thirst for knowledge, enabling her to be the best she could be.

"This is an extremely painful time for the family. Saskia will leave a huge void in our lives and we would request that our privacy is fully respected."

Cambridge University's vice-chancellor said he was "devastated to learn that among the victims were staff and alumni".

Professor Stephen J Toope said the victims were taking part in an event "to mark five years of the university's Learning Together programme" - which focuses on prisoner rehabilitation.

He added: "What should have been a joyous opportunity to celebrate the achievements of this unique and socially transformative programme, hosted by our Institute of Criminology, was instead disrupted by an unspeakable criminal act.

"Among the three people injured, whose identities have not been publicly released, is a member of university staff.

"Our university condemns this abhorrent and senseless act of terror."

Speaking to the BBC, Prof Toope said the fact Mr Merritt was killed by someone he was trying to help "is the greatest tragedy of all".

"I have profound sadness for the family," he added.

"This is an attack on our community and it was intended, in such, to produce a form of terror and sadness - and it has clearly done that."

Speaking about the chain of events inside Fishmongers' Hall on Friday, where Khan launched his fatal attack, chief executive Mr Williamson praised the bravery of his staff who intervened to stop the attacker, hailing their actions as "extraordinary things done by ordinary people".

"There was a scream, there was blood. People thought it was an exercise at first," Mr Williamson told the BBC.

He recounted how two men, named as Lukasz and Andy, "used fire extinguishers, chairs and narwhal tusks ripped off the wall" to take the fight back to Khan

"They took a decision, one that enough was enough. They were determined it wasn't going to go on."

"They are two of the most humble people... but in the heat of the moment, people do extraordinary things.

"I am very proud to know them."

Earlier in the day, hundreds attended a service at Southwark Cathedral for the victims of Friday's attack on London Bridge.

The Dean of Southwark Cathedral, the Very Revd Andrew Nunn, said many people were struggling with what happened.

On Friday, the cathedral was put into lockdown as people ran away from London Bridge.

As crowds ran towards the cathedral, Mr Nunn recalled having "that sense of déjà vu", adding that it brought back memories of the nearby attack in Borough Market two years ago, which left eight dead and 48 injured.

Speaking at Sunday's service, Mr Nunn said "memories have been stirred and wounds have been re-opened".

He added: "What seemed to have been put to the back of people's minds has now been brought to the fore.

"We have to stand with them. We have to help bear their pain but also speak to that pain with words of hope."

Mr Nunn, too, praised the bravery of the people who confronted Khan as he carried out his attack.

"Every event of this nature produces stories of such selfless acts of bravery."

Dr Vin Diwaker, medical director for the NHS in London, gave an update on the conditions of the three people who were injured in the attack.

He said: "One of the people injured in the London Bridge incident has now been able to return home.

"Two people remain in a stable condition and continue to receive expert care in hospital."

Over the weekend counter-terrorism officers searched a house in Stafford linked to Khan and another property in Stoke-on-Trent.

On Sunday night, Staffordshire Police said a 34-year-old man was arrested in connection with a "review of existing licence conditions of convicted terrorism offenders".

The man was arrested on suspicion of preparation of terrorist acts, but Staffordshire Police added there was no information to suggest the man was involved in the London Bridge attack.

Friday's attack comes after the UK's terrorism threat level was downgraded on 4 November from "severe" to "substantial", meaning that attacks were thought to be "likely" rather than "highly likely".

The terror threat level is reviewed every six months by the Joint Terrorism Analysis Centre, which makes recommendations independent of government.

Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-50621581.
 
The victims yesterday were the two that died...yet some are moaning about the 'terrorism' label being given to a terrorist...ie Muslims are the victims of London Bridge...it is pretty boring now...

I have an issue with the tenets of Islam as my post history will tell, and I prefer strong responses to terrorism as my post history will tell...I do challenge you to find a post where I attack Muslims as a people...good luck with finding that...

Well it would have turned out better if posters here didnt simply obsess over false flags and he's a terrorist cos he's got a beard...

People have every right to be concerned as to why this terrorist was set free and inflicted on the public. You should be as well rather than worrying about what people say on a cricket forum. No one posting here killed two innocent people, it was this Usman Khan who was released despite being a known terrorist that did that.
 
I have already refuted your claims, stop re-posting your first thread and answer the points I made, or counter them or just accept you were wrong. I have already scared hitwicket from his thread, robert is running around trying to save face and mamoon is terrified. You better up your game or leave.

No need for me to save face as I never lost it. You on the other hand set up a badly constructed strawman in your head based on distortions of my posts and then set fire to it by accident.
 
I am not sure why you are getting excited for, I was right on Finsbury Mosque.

Everyone here can read what we have both posted.

I'll ask again, how were you correct? I refuted with factual data, including court information.

Now, you said there were mosques...that is plural, which means more than one. I would like you to post more of these mosques that are involved in supporting these groups, radicalising and so on.

I told you, I can keep waiting, or I can set up a specific debate and you can prove this mosques on a dedicated thread. Up to you.
 
No need for me to save face as I never lost it. You on the other hand set up a badly constructed strawman in your head based on distortions of my posts and then set fire to it by accident.

PLease, bring that thread up again, or start a specific thread on the issue and I can go back to making you run. Up to you.
 
Vigils for the victims of the London Bridge attack have been held in London and Cambridge.

Jack Merritt, 25, and Saskia Jones, 23, were commemorated at the services, which included a minute's silence.

They were stabbed to death by convicted terrorist Usman Khan, 28, at a prisoner rehabilitation conference on Friday.

The BBC has learned Khan was under investigation by MI5 when he left prison a year ago but given one of the lowest priorities.

Mr Merritt and Ms Jones were both graduates of the University of Cambridge's institute of criminology and had been taking part in an event for its Learning Together programme - which focuses on education within the criminal justice system - when they were attacked.


Prime Minister Boris Johnson and Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn were among those at the vigil at the Guildhall in the City of London.

They were joined London Mayor Sadiq Khan who said the best way to defeat the hatred shown in the attack was to focus on the values of hope, unity and love.

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Image caption
Jack Merritt was a co-ordinator of the Learning Together programme and Saskia Jones a volunteer
"The best way to defeat this hatred is not by turning on one another, but it's by focussing on the values that bind us, to take hope from the heroism of ordinary Londoners and our emergency services who ran towards danger, risking their lives to help people they didn't even know," he said.

The London service happened less than a mile from Fishmongers' Hall, where Usman Khan launched his attack on Friday.


Media captionA moment of silence was held at the vigil for the victims in London
Bishop of London Sarah Mullally said the vigils remembered "academics celebrating rehabilitation and finding only danger".

She paid tribute to the workers at Fishmongers' Hall, who she said went to work to offer hospitality, but found themselves needing to give protection.

A book of condolences is open at Guildhall Art Gallery and members of the public are invited to lay flowers outside nearby Mansion House.

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The vigil in Guildhall Yard in London was led by Bishop of London Sarah Mullally
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Members of the public also paid their tributes
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A vigil was also held at Anglia Ruskin University, where Saskia Jones attended before taking her masters at Cambridge
The victims' families paid tribute to their loved ones over the weekend.

Mr Merritt was a co-ordinator of the Learning Together programme and Ms Jones a volunteer

Ms Jones's family said their daughter, from Stratford-upon-Avon in Warwickshire, had a "great passion" for supporting victims of criminal justice.

In a statement, Mr Merritt's family described him as a "talented boy" who "died doing what he loved".

Mr Merritt's father went on to criticise the Daily Mail and Daily Express newspapers for their coverage of Prime Minister Boris Johnson's promise to review licence conditions placed on convicted terrorists released from jail.

On Twitter, David Merritt shared images of the Mail and Express front pages - which reported a "blitz on freed jihadis" - and wrote: "Don't use my son's death, and his and his colleague's photos - to promote your vile propaganda. Jack stood against everything you stand for - hatred, division, ignorance."

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Jack Merritt's family said he was 'looking forward to building a future with his girlfriend, Leanne'
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The family of Saskia Jones said her death "will leave a huge void in our lives"
Cambridge University's vice-chancellor Prof Stephen J Toope said he was "devastated to learn that among the victims were staff and alumni".

Toby Williamson, chief executive of Fishmongers' Hall, praised the bravery of his staff who intervened to stop the attacker, hailing their actions as "extraordinary things done by ordinary people".

Mr Williamson told how Polish chef Lukasz suffered five wounds to his left-hand side as he fended off the knifeman with a narwhal tusk during "about a minute of one-on-one straight combat" - allowing others time to escape danger.


Media captionThe chief executive of Fishmongers Hall, Commodore Toby Williamson describes how his staff fought back
Two others grabbed makeshift weapons including a fire extinguisher before the attacker fled down a staircase and then got trapped in reception.

Dr Vin Diwakar, medical director for the NHS in London, said two people injured in the attack remained in a stable condition in hospital, while one had been able to return home.


Media captionVideo footage shows moment London Bridge attacker was apprehended
'Minimal risk'
Khan, who was released from prison in December 2018 after serving half of his sentence, was shot dead by police on London Bridge.

The BBC understands Khan was formally under investigation by MI5 as he left jail but placed in the second-to-bottom category of investigations as his initial risk to the public was thought to be minimal.

This was consistent with the grading given to most other convicted terrorist offenders as they go back into the community under a release licence.

Why was the London Bridge attacker out of prison?
What is Learning Together?
London Bridge sentencing row - who did what?
A low level of prioritisation is assigned to offenders such as Khan because their release comes with a strict set of licence conditions.

These conditions theoretically provide suitable monitoring and oversight, such as alerts if they contact other suspects or travel outside an approved area.

Khan, the BBC has learned, was on the highest-level of such community monitoring. The overall package, in theory, relives pressure on MI5 so the security service can focus on more immediate threats.

Licence review
The prime minister said on Sunday that 74 people jailed for terror offences and released early will have their licence conditions reviewed.

Later that day, Staffordshire Police said a 34-year-old man had been arrested on suspicion of preparation of terrorist acts - but added there was no information to suggest the man was involved in the London Bridge attack.

The man has been named as Nazam Hussain, who was jailed in 2012 alongside Usman Khan and received the same sentence - 16 years with half of that served in prison - after pleading guilty to preparing acts of terrorism.

Following his arrest, Hussain was recalled to prison due to a suspected breach of his licence conditions. Inquiries by detectives into the potential terrorism offences are continuing, police said.

Another man, Yayha Rashid, 23, of north London, has been charged following his arrest on Sunday on suspicion of breaching notification requirements.

The Metropolitan Police said Rashid's arrest was not connected with the London Bridge attack.

Friday's incident comes after the UK's terrorism threat level was downgraded on 4 November from "severe" to "substantial", meaning that attacks were thought to be "likely" rather than "highly likely".

The terror threat level is reviewed every six months by the Joint Terrorism Analysis Centre, which makes recommendations independent of government.

Friday's attack took place close to where eight people died and 48 were injured by three men who drove into pedestrians on London Bridge, before stabbing people in Borough Market in June 2017.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-50625900
 
I was referring to Finsbury Mosque when I said not so back Street but it should never have been allowed to be taken over by these nutters.

Abu Hamza was an Imam at Finsbury Park mosque.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...icted-of-assisting-terror-groups-9399776.html

Abu Hamza: Former imam of Finsbury Park mosque convicted in New York of assisting terror groups

After barely two days of deliberation, a New York jury on Monday convicted Abu Hamza, the former imam of Finsbury Park mosque in north London, on all counts of assisting terrorists groups like al-Qa’ida, offering vindication to US government prosecutors and possible solace to victims of terrorist attacks.

Abu Hamza, who had taken the stand in trial as the only witness for the defence, looked straight ahead as the verdicts were read in the court of Judge Katherine Forrest. At sentencing, the Egyptian-born cleric who attracted extreme followers of Islam after becoming imam of the mosque in 1997, faces life behind bars. Had he been acquitted, he would have been free to return to London, presumably to resume preaching.
 
I think I have been put into this forum to expose all the liars.

The chairman of Finsbury Park Mosque actually won damages against The Telegraph for claims of supporting ISIL/ISIS/DAESH (which ever name you like).

You also seem to be referring to Abu Hamza in your post, who was wrongly allowed by the mosque committee to become the imam but the moment they realised what he was, they asked him to leave. His followers, mostly criminals who were newly brainwashed into what they thought was Islam used intimidation and violence to stop the committee from functioning. At this time, almost every Muslim in the area stopped attending the mosque and it was filled with a handful of these extremists. The committee then filed for an injunction in court, which they won BUT it was the UK authorities which refused to impose it. It was also the British authorities which refused to have him extradited to the US.

Now after that exposure, would you like to name a few other mosques that you claim are the problem? I can wait all day.

That's not correct. It was the European Court of Human Rights which delayed his extradition and then blocked it. The British had approved his extradition in 2007.

On 15 November 2007, British courts gave permission for Hamza's extradition to the US.[54][55] Abu Hamza appealed against this decision to the European Court of Human Rights (ECtHR). In the meantime, Hamza was kept in prison after the completion of his sentence.

On 8 July 2010, the ECtHR temporarily blocked Hamza's extradition to the United States to face terrorism charges until the court was satisfied that he would not be treated inhumanely.[56] The court based its judgement on ECHR, which applies to British law.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Hamza_al-Masri
 
Regardless if it was the EU or the UK, it was a western justice system that did this, not the Muslims. Do you see the point I am making here?

Yes, European courts supersede British courts.

I was just pointing out you cannot blame the British Government on delaying the extradition of Abu Hamza, because this is factually incorrect.
 
Yes, European courts supersede British courts.

I was just pointing out you cannot blame the British Government on delaying the extradition of Abu Hamza, because this is factually incorrect.

That is fair enough but it does not change my point.
 
Everyone here can read what we have both posted.

I'll ask again, how were you correct? I refuted with factual data, including court information.

Now, you said there were mosques...that is plural, which means more than one. I would like you to post more of these mosques that are involved in supporting these groups, radicalising and so on.

I told you, I can keep waiting, or I can set up a specific debate and you can prove this mosques on a dedicated thread. Up to you.

Why don't you admit that I was right on the Finsbury Park Mosque for a start. And I should have been more careful with my wording.
 
So someone called Terry has deliberately hit into school children killing 1 and injuring 5 is a murder investigation. Why isn't this classed as a terrorist act too
 
London Bridge survivor: 'I saw things I will never unsee'

An American academic has given a graphic account of the moment the London Bridge stabbing attack began, saying it "felt like a warzone".

Bryonn Bain told the BBC that victim Jack Merritt had been the first person to confront Usman Khan when he launched his knife assault during a prisoner rehabilitation conference on Friday.

"I saw people die, I saw things that I will never be able to unsee," he said.

Vigils have taken place for Mr Merritt, 25, and second victim Saskia Jones, 23.

Two women and a man were also injured in the attack before Khan was shot dead by armed officers on London Bridge - the two women are still in hospital in a stable condition.

Prof Bain said former offenders attending the University of Cambridge-linked conference "stepped up and intervened" to tackle Khan, and people at Fishmongers' Hall owed their lives to the actions of those who had previously spent time in jail.

He said two men from his performance poetry workshop immediately ran towards shouts from elsewhere in Fishmongers' Hall in the City of London as the attack began, and as shouts grew louder he also went to assist.

"That's when I ran down and saw the scene unfolding there," he said. "I was able to see the attacker."

He added: "It felt like a warzone... it felt like total chaos."

Prof Bain said course co-ordinator Mr Merritt was "the first line of defence".

"I want to honour him," Prof Bain said of Mr Merritt. "I want to honour his father's wishes which have been explicit to not have his life be used for political purposes to ramp up draconian policies, because that's not what he was about."

Mr Merritt's father criticised newspaper coverage of Prime Minister Boris Johnson's pledge to review the early release of convicted terrorists.

Writing in the Guardian, David Merritt says his son "would be seething at his death, and his life, being used to perpetuate an agenda of hate that he gave his everything fighting against".

The article calls for a justice system that focuses on rehabilitation, rather than revenge, and criticises indeterminate sentences, saying his son worked for "a world where we do not lock up and throw away the key".

Prof Bain added: "I want to make sure that as much as possible that we uphold the heroes of the day, were formerly incarcerated people, some of the folks who are often easiest to dehumanise.

"They stepped up and many of the folks in that space would not be here today if it weren't for these guys who did time in prison and literally saved lives."

In other developments on Monday:

Prime Minister Boris Johnson defended his response to the attack after Mr Merritt's father criticised newspaper coverage of Mr Johnson's pledge to review the early release of convicted terrorists
Mr Johnson and Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn attended a vigil at the Guildhall near London Bridge to honour those caught up in the attack
London Mayor Sadiq Khan said the best way to defeat the hatred shown in the attack was to focus on the values of hope, unity and love
BBC News learned the attacker, Usman Khan, 28, had been under investigation by the security service MI5 since his release from prison last year, but given one of the lowest priorities. He had been convicted of a terrorism offence in 2012
As part of his release conditions, Khan was obliged to take part in the government's desistance and disengagement programme - which aims to rehabilitate those involved in terrorism
Vigils for the victims of the attack were also held in Cambridge and Anglia Ruskin University, which Ms Jones had previously attended.

Mr Merritt and Ms Jones both studied for masters degrees at the University of Cambridge's institute of criminology and had been taking part in an event for its Learning Together programme - which focuses on education within the criminal justice system - when they were killed.

Mr Merritt, from Cottenham, Cambridgeshire, was a co-ordinator of the Learning Together programme and Ms Jones, from Stratford-upon-Avon, Warwickshire, a volunteer

The victims' families paid tribute to their loved ones at the weekend.

Ms Jones's family said their daughter had a "great passion" for supporting victims of criminal justice.

In a statement, Mr Merritt's family described him as a "talented boy" who "died doing what he loved".

Toby Williamson, chief executive of Fishmongers' Hall, praised the bravery of his staff who intervened to stop the attacker, hailing their actions as "extraordinary things done by ordinary people".

Mr Williamson told how Polish chef Lukasz suffered five wounds to his left-hand side as he fended off the knifeman with a narwhal tusk during "about a minute of one-on-one straight combat" - allowing others time to escape danger.

'Heroes' praised for confronting bridge attacker
A group of hall staff, ex-offenders, prison and probation staff are believed to have drawn Khan out on to London Bridge where he was subsequently shot dead by armed police.

The Metropolitan Police said in an update on Monday night that detectives were continuing extensive inquiries but had so far found nothing to suggest other people were involved in the attack.

'Minimal risk'
Khan, who admitted preparing terrorist acts in 2012, was released from prison in December 2018 after serving half of his sentence.

The BBC understands Khan was formally under investigation by MI5 as he left jail but placed in the second-to-bottom category of investigations as his initial risk to the public was thought to be minimal.

This was consistent with the grading given to most other people convicted of terrorism offences as they go back into the community under a release licence.

A low level of prioritisation is assigned to offenders such as Khan because their release comes with a strict set of licence conditions.

These conditions theoretically provide suitable monitoring and oversight, such as alerts if they contact other suspects or travel outside an approved area.

Khan, the BBC has learned, was on the highest-level of such community monitoring. The overall package, in theory, relieves pressure on MI5 so the security service can focus on more immediate threats.

Friday was the first time that Khan, who wore a GPS tag, had been permitted to travel to London since he left prison. The BBC has been told that - earlier in the year - Khan was refused permission to travel to Stoke-on-Trent, which is where he grew up, in order to attend a social event.

The prime minister said on Sunday that 74 people jailed for terror offences and released early would have their licence conditions reviewed..

Police said two terror-related arrests following Friday's incident, in Staffordshire and north London, were not directly connected to the London Bridge attack.

It came after the UK's terrorism threat level was downgraded on 4 November from "severe" to "substantial", meaning that attacks were thought to be "likely" rather than "highly likely".

Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-50634255.
 
PLease, bring that thread up again, or start a specific thread on the issue and I can go back to making you run. Up to you.

Ok, I did you a disservice, that photo is a well-constructed strawman.
 
Why don't you admit that I was right on the Finsbury Park Mosque for a start. And I should have been more careful with my wording.

I repeat, I want to know about mosqueS...plural, as you claimed. That is all I am waiting for because you thought you could be extra clever by mentioning Finsbury because that is what most ignorants and Islamaphobes mention...you forgot you were running into someone well versed in these issues.

You can end this now by conceding you were wrong or I will hound you till you quit.
 
I repeat, I want to know about mosqueS...plural, as you claimed. That is all I am waiting for because you thought you could be extra clever by mentioning Finsbury because that is what most ignorants and Islamaphobes mention...you forgot you were running into someone well versed in these issues.

You can end this now by conceding you were wrong or I will hound you till you quit.

Is Finsbury Park not a Mosque?
 
Is Finsbury Park not a Mosque?

Your post -

"That is def true, but they have a foothold in their back street mosques( and in some cases not so backstreet). But they have immense damage to the Muslims here in the UK and elsewhere."

That is a plural.

Even the example you gave is bordering on the false, let alone being ignorant. The mosque committee fought for YEARS to have him removed, the British authorities did nothing. When the committee was intimidated and physically attacked, the authorities once again did nothing. It was the committee which filed the injunction, not the authorities, who refused or were unable/unwilling to back it up, you ask them about that.

Now, even if I put that aside and say, fine...you clearly mentioned more than one mosque, so I am questioning you, for our safety, what are these other mosques? Where are they? And the sources you have for them?

Thanks.
 
Your post -

"That is def true, but they have a foothold in their back street mosques( and in some cases not so backstreet). But they have immense damage to the Muslims here in the UK and elsewhere."

That is a plural.

Even the example you gave is bordering on the false, let alone being ignorant. The mosque committee fought for YEARS to have him removed, the British authorities did nothing. When the committee was intimidated and physically attacked, the authorities once again did nothing. It was the committee which filed the injunction, not the authorities, who refused or were unable/unwilling to back it up, you ask them about that.

Now, even if I put that aside and say, fine...you clearly mentioned more than one mosque, so I am questioning you, for our safety, what are these other mosques? Where are they? And the sources you have for them?

Thanks.

Go on Youtube and watch the dispatches doc!
 
You don’t believe in rehabilitation?

Too many people on parole generally commit too many crimes and most of these nutters are not going to change. These losers are anti Muslim and anti Islam as they give ammunition to haters, so I would be happy to them to locked up forever.
 
6 years is TOO less. he should have been in for at least 20

Too many people on parole generally commit too many crimes and most of these nutters are not going to change. These losers are anti Muslim and anti Islam as they give ammunition to haters, so I would be happy to them to locked up forever.

These people aren’t born to commit murder. Its society which has large part in moulding them and we have to take responsibility for it.

I think the case of Shamima Begum illustrates this. You can’t indoctrinate a child with fantastical ideas and then cry foul when they act upon conditioning.

Infinite imprisonment punishes the individual, nothing else. The root cause remains.
 
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These people aren’t born to commit murder. Its society which has large part in moulding them and we have to take responsibility for it.

I think the case of Shamima Begum illustrates this. You can’t indoctrinate a child with fantastical ideas and then cry foul when they act upon conditioning.

Infinite imprisonment punishes the individual, nothing else. The root cause remains.

To be honest I don't care, these losers have made the lives of Muslims very difficult everywhere . If you commit the crime, be prepared to do the time.
 
6 years is TOO less. he should have been in for at least 20

You are confusing utter morons with people that take religion seriously. As has been pointed out by many people more learned than me, the violent verses had context, and these losers have been used to ignore the context. For me Islam is about humanity, these are evil people that have no humanity.
It seems that you are making the point that its only Muslims that are violent, but evil is widespread amongst all people, systems and religions. For example look at the violence against Muslims in China, Kashmir, Burm and SL. Which verses of the Koran inspired that violence. Which verses of the Koran inspired the 2 World wars with 100s of millions dead?

I’m not talking about Islam.

I’m talking about conditioning. You agreed with me, by saying they have been used to ignore context. So, they were manipulated?

On a side note, where have I said ever on this site that Muslims are violent? I would say that this is your conditioning. You’ve perceived it as an attack on Islam and thus an attack on your Identity.

Please point out where I have said any of what you claim?
 
I’m not talking about Islam.

I’m talking about conditioning. You agreed with me, by saying they have been used to ignore context. So, they were manipulated?

On a side note, where have I said ever on this site that Muslims are violent? I would say that this is your conditioning. You’ve perceived it as an attack on Islam and thus an attack on your Identity.

Please point out where I have said any of what you claim?

As far as I concerned, they have to take responsibility for their actions and suffer the consequences. They can off course join the 1.5bn of us that don't go around defaming Islam and do our best in daily lives to show that Islam is peaceful and humane.
 
As far as I concerned, they have to take responsibility for their actions and suffer the consequences. They can off course join the 1.5bn of us that don't go around defaming Islam and do our best in daily lives to show that Islam is peaceful and humane.

What made you peaceful?
 
As far as I concerned, they have to take responsibility for their actions and suffer the consequences. They can off course join the 1.5bn of us that don't go around defaming Islam and do our best in daily lives to show that Islam is peaceful and humane.

Also, no one is absolving them of responsibility but nuance is needed.
 
The love of Allah and his beloved Prophet(PBUH).

In reality you mean your upbringing?

Unless, you mean Allah condemned those terrorists and thus they never had a chance.

Now, if you had a different upbringing is there a possibility you could have developed different views? And would you be solely responsible for them?
 
In reality you mean your upbringing?

Unless, you mean Allah condemned those terrorists and thus they never had a chance.

Now, if you had a different upbringing is there a possibility you could have developed different views? And would you be solely responsible for them?

The way i think of these is that when I go before Allah my upbringing won't be the issue, my deeds will. I have take responsibility for my actions, so should these guys.
 
The way i think of these is that when I go before Allah my upbringing won't be the issue, my deeds will. I have take responsibility for my actions, so should these guys.

But you’re not taking responsibility.

In fact you’re trying to absolve yourself of responsibility.

Society shapes it’s constituents, so we’re all responsible. These things don’t happen in isolation, it’s multifactorial. Our inaction in allowing such things to occur means we are guilty to a degree too.
 
But you’re not taking responsibility.

In fact you’re trying to absolve yourself of responsibility.

Society shapes it’s constituents, so we’re all responsible. These things don’t happen in isolation, it’s multifactorial. Our inaction in allowing such things to occur means we are guilty to a degree too.

By your logic no one should go to prison, everyone can blame their actions on nurture.
 
The family of London Bridge attacker Usman Khan have said they are "saddened and shocked" by what happened and "totally condemn his actions".

In a statement, they expressed their condolences to the victims' families

Khan, who was convicted of a terrorism offence in 2012, killed Jack Merritt, 25, and Saskia Jones, 23, at a prisoner rehabilitation event on Friday.

Two women and a man were also injured in the attack before Khan was shot dead by armed officers on London Bridge.

In a statement issued through the Metropolitan Police, Khan's family said: "We are saddened and shocked by what Usman has done.

"We totally condemn his actions and we wish to express our condolences to the families of the victims that have died and wish a speedy recovery to all of the injured.

"We would like to request privacy for our family at this difficult time."

Khan, 28, was jailed in 2012 to indeterminate detention for "public protection" with a minimum jail term of eight years after pleading guilty to preparing terrorist acts.

Since being released in December 2018, he had been living in Stafford and was required to wear a GPS police tag.

He was armed with two knives and was wearing a fake suicide vest during the attack at Fishmonger's Hall on Friday.

He was tackled by members of the public, including ex-offenders from the conference, before he was shot dead by police.

One of the three people injured in the attack has been allowed to return home while the other two remain in a stable condition in hospital.

It comes as Leanne O'Brien, the girlfriend of Cambridge University Mr Merritt who was killed, paid tribute to her partner on Facebook writing: "My love, you are phenomenal and have opened so many doors for those that society turned their backs on."

Ms O'Brien was seen breaking down in tears as she and Mr Merritt's family gathered at a vigil in Cambridge on Monday to remember the victims.

Mr Merritt's father, David, also wrote a piece in the Guardian dedicated to his "absorbingly intelligent" and "fiercely loyal" son.

Also killed was Ms Jones, from Stratford-upon-Avon, Warwickshire, who was a volunteer on the Learning Together programme, which was holding an anniversary event where the event took place.

She has been described as a "lovely, lovely woman" who was "fearless" by her former tutor.

Friday's attack sparked a political row over the release of Khan and a debate over the criminal justice system.

Prime Minister Boris Johnson was accused of "trying to exploit" the attack "for political gain".

He blamed Khan's release on legislation introduced under "a leftie government", and called for longer sentences and an end to automatic release.

Mr Johnson denied claims he was politicising the attack, saying he had campaigned against early release for some time, having previously raised the issue during his 2012 campaign to be mayor of London.

He said he felt "a huge amount of sympathy" for the relatives of the victims.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-50647972
 
Go on Youtube and watch the dispatches doc!

This is a spineless post. You have realised you dug your own grave, have failed to answer my questions 6 times now and are asking me to find a documentary from many years ago...you know what is worse? That documentary has been disproved years ago and many of the imams or so called imams on there proved, via their own videos, that almost all their statements were taken out of context or edited to mean something different.

In fact, if we were to look at what the intelligence services in this country state (https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2008/aug/20/uksecurity.terrorism1), so called radical clerics have not been a problem in this country for a long time now. We also know that if you have a well grounded religious background, you are LESS likely to be radicalised.
 
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This is a spineless post. You have realised you dug your own grave, have failed to answer my questions 6 times now and are asking me to find a documentary from many years ago...you know what is worse? That documentary has been disproved years ago and many of the imams or so called imams on there proved, via their own videos, that almost all their statements were taken out of context or edited to mean something different.

In fact, if we were to look at what the intelligence services in this country state (https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2008/aug/20/uksecurity.terrorism1), so called radical clerics have not been a problem in this country for a long time now. We also know that if you have a well grounded religious background, you are LESS likely to be radicalised.

Watch the doc, it's on YouTube. Then come and tell me if it's singular or plural.
 
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Watch the doc, it's on YouTube. Then come and tell me if it's singular or plural.

You are once again ignoring what I posted. I want you to reply to my initial question (name and provide evidence of the mosqueS you claimed)? But since you added yet another rope to your noose, I want you to provide me with an answer to what I stated, of the responses and criticisms of that documentary?
 
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You are once again ignoring what I posted. I want you to reply to my initial question (name and provide evidence of the mosqueS you claimed)? But since you added yet another rope to your noose, I want you to provide me with an answer to what I stated, of the responses and criticisms of that documentary?

Have you watched the Doc? Is it singular or plural? Did the programme get sued? Why is it important that it's old or new? Please watch and tell me and then I can debate with you. These losers have done incredible damage to all Muslims.
 
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Have you watched the Doc? Is it singular or plural? Did the programme get sued? Why is it important that it's old or new? Please watch and tell me and then I can debate with you. These losers have done incredible damage to all Muslims.

I am ask YOU to name these mosques and provide evidence. A documentary which has been countered by some of the people filmed in it and plenty of others....the question stands, I want to know the mosques you know, for the safety of British Muslims? I am also curious how you know more than MI5.
 
I am ask YOU to name these mosques and provide evidence. A documentary which has been countered by some of the people filmed in it and plenty of others....the question stands, I want to know the mosques you know, for the safety of British Muslims? I am also curious how you know more than MI5.

I gave you the source, now go and sue them! Can you give me a source of the people that countered it? Did they sue?
 
London Bridge: Family of Usman Khan 'shocked' by attack

The family of London Bridge attacker Usman Khan have said they are "saddened and shocked" by what happened and "totally condemn his actions".

In a statement, they expressed their condolences to the victims' families

Khan, who was convicted of a terrorism offence in 2012, killed Jack Merritt, 25, and Saskia Jones, 23, at a prisoner rehabilitation event on Friday.

Separately, a porter who tried to fight Khan said he was coming to terms with the incident.

Lukasz, who works at the Fishmongers' Hall venue where Khan began his attack, said he "acted instinctively" by grabbing a pole to try to stop Khan.

Usman Khan's family said in a statement issued through the Metropolitan Police: "We are saddened and shocked by what Usman has done.

"We totally condemn his actions and we wish to express our condolences to the families of the victims that have died and wish a speedy recovery to all of the injured.

"We would like to request privacy for our family at this difficult time."

Lukasz, who was among those praised for his bravery during the attack, also issued a statement through Scotland Yard.

"When the attack happened, I acted instinctively. I am now coming to terms with the whole traumatic incident and would like the space to do this in privacy, with the support of my family," he said.

The statement confirmed Lukasz was stabbed by Khan and taken to hospital but has now returned home.

'Heroes' praised for confronting bridge attacker
"I would like to express my condolences to the families who have lost precious loved ones. I would like to send my best wishes to them and everyone affected by this sad and pointless attack," he added.

Lukasz said, contrary to some reports, that he had used a pole to tackle Khan while someone else used a narwhal tusk in an attempt to stop the attack.

Two women were also injured in the attack before Khan was shot dead by armed officers on London Bridge - the women remain in a stable condition in hospital.

Khan, 28, was arrested in December 2010 and sentenced in 2012 to indeterminate detention for "public protection" with a minimum jail term of eight years after pleading guilty to preparing terrorist acts.

He had been part of an al-Qaeda inspired group that considered attacks in the UK, including at the London Stock Exchange.

But in 2013 the Court of Appeal quashed the sentence, replacing it with a 16-year-fixed term, and ordered Khan to serve at least half this - eight years - behind bars.

Since his subsequent release in December 2018, Khan had been living in Stafford and was required to wear a GPS police tag.

He was armed with two knives and was wearing a fake suicide vest during the attack at Fishmongers' Hall on Friday.

He was tackled by members of the public, including ex-offenders from the conference, before he was shot dead by police.

It comes as Leanne O'Brien, the girlfriend of Cambridge University student Mr Merritt who was killed, paid tribute to her partner on Facebook writing: "My love, you are phenomenal and have opened so many doors for those that society turned their backs on."

Ms O'Brien was seen breaking down in tears as she and Mr Merritt's family gathered at a vigil in Cambridge on Monday to remember the victims.

Mr Merritt's father, David, also wrote a piece in the Guardian dedicated to his "absorbingly intelligent" and "fiercely loyal" son.

Also killed was Ms Jones, from Stratford-upon-Avon, Warwickshire, who was a volunteer on the Learning Together programme, which was holding an anniversary event where the event took place.

She has been described as a "lovely, lovely woman" who was "fearless" by her former tutor.

Friday's attack sparked a political row over the release of Khan and a debate over the criminal justice system.

Prime Minister Boris Johnson was accused of "trying to exploit" the attack "for political gain".

He blamed Khan's release on legislation introduced under "a leftie government", and called for longer sentences and an end to automatic release.

Mr Johnson denied claims he was politicising the attack, saying he had campaigned against early release for some time, having previously raised the issue during his 2012 campaign to be mayor of London.

He said he felt "a huge amount of sympathy" for the relatives of the victims.

Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-50647972.
 
I gave you the source, now go and sue them! Can you give me a source of the people that countered it? Did they sue?

I told you, a documentary is not source and you can go and search for the counter arguments to it.

Now, you claimed you knew these mosques, I want you to name them and tell me the evidence against them? every day I will post the same thing. I will also message you once you are brave enough to open your messaging up.
 
I told you, a documentary is not source and you can go and search for the counter arguments to it.

Now, you claimed you knew these mosques, I want you to name them and tell me the evidence against them? every day I will post the same thing. I will also message you once you are brave enough to open your messaging up.

Why isnt it a source? Who are you to decide its not a source?
 
London Bridge attacker Usman Khan attended two counter-terrorism programmes that had not been fully tested to see if they were effective, BBC News has discovered.

Khan, who was convicted of a terrorism offence in 2012, killed Jack Merritt, 25, and Saskia Jones, 23, on Friday.

He had completed two rehabilitation schemes during the eight years he spent in prison and following his release.

The government says such programmes are kept "under constant review".

Three others were injured after Khan launched the attack at a prisoner rehabilitation event inside Fishmongers' Hall near London Bridge.

Inquests into the deaths of Mr Merritt and Ms Jones were opened and adjourned at the Old Bailey on Wednesday.

The court heard that both of them died after being stabbed in the chest. The date for the full inquests is still to be decided.

City of London senior coroner Alison Hewitt also opened and adjourned the inquest into Khan, who died from multiple gunshot wounds after being shot by police.

The inquest heard that Khan had been at the venue to participate in group workshops.

During his time in prison, Khan completed a course for people convicted of extremism offences and after his release went on a scheme to address the root causes of terrorism.

The first course Khan went on, the Healthy Identity Intervention Programme, was piloted from 2010 and is now the main rehabilitation scheme for prisoners convicted of offences linked to extremism.

Last year, the Ministry of Justice published the findings of research into the pilot project which found it was "viewed positively" by a sample of those who attended and ran the course.

However, the department has not completed any work to test whether the scheme prevents reoffending or successfully tackles extremist behaviour.

There has also been no evaluation of the impact of the Desistance and Disengagement Programme, which Khan took part in after his release last year.

Government officials pointed out that the schemes have not been operating for long enough for the results to be assessed, but a spokesperson said all offender behaviour programmes were kept under constant review.

The spokesperson said: "All our offender behaviour programmes are monitored, evaluated and kept under constant review to ensure that they are effective in reducing reoffending and protecting the public."

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-50653191
 
Stick to the topic and dont turn this into a one religion vs another religion thread
 
The two victims of the London Bridge terror attack died after being stabbed in the chest, an inquest has heard.

University of Cambridge graduates Jack Merritt, 25, and 23-year-old Saskia Jones were killed by convicted terrorist Usman Khan during his deadly rampage last Friday.

Mr Merritt was working as a co-ordinator at a prisoner rehabilitation conference at Fishmongers' Hall where Khan launched his attack, while Ms Jones was a volunteer at the event.

At the Old Bailey on Wednesday, City of London senior coroner Alison Hewitt opened and adjourned inquests into the two victims' deaths.

Detective Superintendent Desmond McHugh told the hearing that police were called at 1.58pm on Friday following reports that "a male was attacking delegates at the event within Fishmongers' Hall".

Ms Jones was pronounced dead at the hall at 2.25pm, while Mr Merritt died in nearby William Street at 3.14pm having been moved on a stretcher by police, he added.

Pathologist Dr Fegan-Earl said each victim died from shock and haemorrhaging as a result of a stab wound to the chest.

They had both been attacked inside the hall, the hearing was told.

An inquest was also opened into the death of Khan, who was shot dead by police on London Bridge following his attack.

Dr Fegan-Earl said the 28-year-old died from shock and haemorrhage due to multiple gun shot wounds to the chest and abdomen.

Mr McHugh told the hearing that Khan was pronounced dead on the bridge at 3.07pm.

Khan, armed with two knives and wearing a fake suicide vest, was tackled by members of the public before he was shot dead by police on London Bridge.

Three other people were injured in his attack, two are said to be in a stable condition in hospital while the third has returned home.

The inquest hearing into the victims' deaths heard Ms Jones had graduated from Cambridge University in the summer of 2018 with a master's degree in criminology and had applied to join West Midlands Police.

She was said to be "passionate about victim support" and planned to use her role in the police to further her PhD at Oxford University.

Mr Merritt also had a master's degree in criminology at Cambridge having already completed a law degree at Manchester University.

The full inquest into the victims' deaths will be heard by the chief coroner of England and Wales, Mark Lucraft QC, at a date to be fixed, the hearing was told.

The inquest hearings come just months after the conclusion of the Old Bailey inquests into the deaths of eight victims of the 2017 London Bridge terror attack.

https://news.sky.com/story/london-b...being-stabbed-in-chest-inquest-hears-11877890
 
The body of Usman Khan, who killed two people in a terrorist attack in London Bridge, has been released by the City of London coroner and has been flown to Pakistan.

Officials at Islamabad International Airport confirmed to Sky News that the 28-year-old's body had been flown out from the UK on a passenger plane on Thursday afternoon and arrived in Pakistan on Friday morning.

A cousin told Sky News that Khan's parents and other close family members would bury the convicted terrorist in their home village in Pakistan-occupied Kashmir.

The cousin added that the parents wanted to keep the burial "low key" and that "they don't want to bury him in the UK" because they were "scared".


Sky News can confirm that a pre-burial ritual known as a Janaza took place in a Birmingham mosque before the body was flown to Pakistan.

Members of the community in Cobridge, Stoke, who know the large Khan family were shocked to hear of Khan's attack in London Bridge a week ago. Many didn't want his burial to take place at the local Ghausia Masjid despite the close ties with Khan's family.

Members of Khan's family in Stoke told Sky News that he "was a nice guy and very gentle" but they said growing up "he got into the wrong crowds and was clearly radicalised".

A close family friend said that after he was released from prison in December 2018 on license, Khan had no connection with the community in Stoke and very little contact with his family.

They said many of his friends and family "disowned" him because of the terror offences he was sentenced for in 2012.

A cousin said "he went on his own path" and the family were "genuinely shocked when this [the attack] happened".

In a statement released on Tuesday night through the Metropolitan Police, the Khan family said: "We are saddened and shocked by what Usman has done.

"We totally condemn his actions and we wish to express our condolences to the families of the victims that have died and wish a speedy recovery to all of the injured.

"We would like to request privacy for our family at this difficult time."

https://news.sky.com/story/usman-khan-london-bridge-attackers-body-to-be-buried-in-pakistan-11879397
 
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