[PICTURES] London Bridge: Two killed in stabbing attack

[Hitman]

All India media and most on twitter are jumping out of joy. Linking it with Pakistan and some are even saying he's from Pakistan etc. How obsessed are these Indians with Pakistan.
This idiot was a British born so don't involve Pakistan in everything.
Nearly all terrorist attacks in UK have been British born and he had links with Anjem Choudary. These wahabis have terrorist minds and even local British Pakistanis are against them. They come up on Pakistan independence day and curse Pakistan and police protect these terrorists themselves I'm afraid.

Can't believe that rat is allowed to roam around openly in the civilized society.

 

[sweep_shot]

Terror returned to the streets of London on Friday as two members of the public were killed and several others injured in a knife attack.

Convicted terrorist Usman Khan, who carried out the deadly rampage, was shot dead by officers after civilians bravely intervened to tackle him on London Bridge.

Here's how the attack unfolded:

Khan attends Fishmongers' Hall
Khan, who was released from jail last December on licence, attends a conference on prisoner rehabilitation at Fishmongers' Hall, just off London Bridge.

The event at the Grade II-listed building marked the five-year anniversary of a Cambridge University criminal justice initiative called Learning Together.

Around 100 guests - including former inmates, prison staff, academics and criminal justice campaigners - and 50 staff had reportedly attended.

Spoiler

Attack is launched
Shortly before 2pm, the alumuni ceremony ended as Khan - armed with two knives and wearing a fake suicide vest - threatened to blow up the building, according to witnesses.

Several people found themselves directly in his path and some were stabbed as they attempted to fight him off.

An eyewitness named Coralie, who was working at the event, saw two or three people stabbed, some of whom were bleeding heavily, according to the Telegraph.

She said one of her colleagues was stabbed three times.

Kitchen worker fights back
Witnesses describe how a kitchen worker at Fishmongers' Hall attempted to tackle Khan while being stabbed in the hand.

The man - named in reports as a Polish chef called Luckasz - is said to have run towards the attacker, who was threatening to detonate an apparent explosive strapped to his body.

A co-worker, who asked not to named, told the Times: "Luckasz grabbed a nearby pole and ran at him, getting stabbed in the hand in the process but continued to pin him down.

"Being stabbed didn't stop him giving him a beating. Luckasz is a hero."

Members of the public intervene
As the knifeman left Fishmongers' Hall and moved towards London Bridge, he was pursued by members of the public.

Footage posted online shows the man named as Luckasz brandishing a five-foot narwhal tusk - which he reportedly grabbed from the wall of Fishmongers' Hall - to fight off Khan.

Another man uses a fire extinguisher to tackle him.

Several other members of the public - including an off-duty plain-clothed police officer - grapple with the attacker as they attempt to drag him to the ground and stop the attack.

Armed officers arrive at the scene as civilians are pulled away from Khan one by one.

One bystander is seen removing a large knife believed to have been used by the attacker.

Three officers surround the man on the ground, pointing their weapons at him, when a single gunshot is fired - followed by a second.

Police response
The Metropolitan Police say they were called to reports of a stabbing at premises near London Bridge at 1.58pm and the incident was initially being treated "as though it is terrorist-related".

The force says a number of people were stabbed and a man was shot by police, while the London Ambulance Service declare "a major incident".

Top counter-terror officer Neil Basu later confirms the suspect was shot by armed officers and died at the scene.

Mr Basu reveals the suspect was wearing a "hoax explosive device" and confirms the attack has been declared a "terrorist incident".

Met Police Commissioner Cressida Dick later confirms two members of the public were killed in the attack - a man and a woman - and three other people were injured.

She says officers confronted the suspect five minutes after the force received a call about the attack.

The Met Police later name the attacker as 28-year-old convicted terrorist Usman Khan, who had been living in the Staffordshire area, and say they are not actively seeking anyone else over the attack.

Source: https://news.sky.com/story/how-the-london-bridge-terror-attack-unfolded-11874155.

 

[KingKhan12]

That is def true, but they have a foothold in their back street mosques( and in some cases not so backstreet). But they have immense damage to the Muslims here in the UK and elsewhere.

But the authorities here lets them of easily. They now these people have terrorist minds but still.

 

[Varun]

London Bridge attacker had asked for help to deradicalise

The London Bridge attacker had asked for help to be deradicalised while he was in prison, but none was forthcoming, his solicitor has claimed.

Vajahat Sharif told the Guardian Usman Khan had come to realise that violent extremism was wrong and accepted his understanding of Islam was deficient.

Khan was one of nine members of an al-Qaida-inspired terrorist group convicted in 2012 of plotting to bomb the London Stock Exchange and build a terrorist training camp in Pakistan that was disrupted by MI5 and the police. He was also a supporter of al-Muhijaroun, the extremist group with which scores of terrorists were involved. However, Sharif said Khan became disillusioned with the group after his imprisonment, and that extremists may have targeted him to be “re-groomed” after release from jail, with devastating consequences.

Key questions about London Bridge terrorist Usman Khan answered

He said Khan first mentioned wanting to be free of Islamist extremism after his conviction in 2012, and then repeatedly throughout his time in jail, last mentioning it in 2018 before his release.

“He requested intervention by a deradicaliser when he was in prison,” Sharif said. “The only option was the probation service and they cannot deal with these offenders. He asked me on the phone to get assistance from a specific deradicaliser.

“He asked [me] once or twice before he was released in 2018. Probation do a good job with conventional offenders but they can’t deal with ideological offenders.”

Khan, 28, killed two people and injured three others before being shot dead by police during a stabbing rampage at London Bridge on Friday afternoon. After his conviction in 2012 he was given an indeterminate jail sentence, with a minimum term of eight years. On appeal in 2013, it was replaced with a 16-year, fixed-term sentence and an extended period on licence.

Sharif said Khan, whom he last spoke to in March, was released to a bail hostel from where he had to report to a police station every day, had interactions with the probation service and had to wear a tag.

“In prison he begin to realise his Islamic thinking was not correct; he accepted that. He criticised the al-Qaida ideology and violent extremism. He did recognise that his Islamic understanding was incomplete. A lot of these characters pick and choose from different sermons, it’s like an echo chamber.”

Sharif said the policy for terrorist prisoners needed to change to boost efforts to turn them away from supporting ideologies that incite violence: “There is a flaw in the policy. You should have substantial ideological evaluation of these individuals before they are released on licence.”

Sharif said Khan appeared to be rehabilitated and was a model prisoner during his time in HMP Whitemoor: “He was having a go at Isis before his release. I’ve no idea what happened after his release, that is what is shocking. Maybe he was not ideologically robust enough to resist the radicalising groomers – I thought he was a reformed character.”

He said that when Khan was arrested in 2010 he supported al-Muhijaroun, but “by the end he was disillusioned with them”.

“His parents are thoroughly decent, hard-working people, first-generation migrants from Pakistan. His family were at a loss when he was arrested and charged.”

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...ker-had-asked-for-help-to-deradicalise-lawyer

Check this out.

 

[KingKhan12]

Can't believe that rat is allowed to roam around openly in the civilized society.

Exactly. And they let more idiots get radicalised and know about it but they keep letting them of. This Usman Khan how could they release him even before his sentence.

It's annoying that people like Anjem Choudary and brainwashed wahabis like Usman Khan do all this and get away with it and when all the authorities know about them they let them off and don't get tab on them. Common British Muslims are against these guys more then anyone else.

Remember seeing these terrorists on a video on Pakistan independence day spreading filth and common Pakistanis were saying these guys are the terrorists and isis.
But the authorities know but still let these clowns of.

 

[KingKhan12]

Check this out.

People like Usman Khan get brainwashed too easy by Wahabis. Most have one thing in common they do drugs and be out their mind and get radicalised easily.

 

[Robert]

Now it makes perfect sense to shoot at the bomb.

No, that would risk detonating a suspect device. They shoot the brain of the person wearing it before he can press his trigger.

 

[Varun]

People like Usman Khan get brainwashed too easy by Wahabis. Most have one thing in common they do drugs and be out their mind and get radicalised easily.

The common denominator is likely these guys don't make any headway in academics past school, if you even consider a Madrasa as a school in the first place.

There's nothing better than an education, kids at home. CC: [MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION]

 

[Bewal Express]

But the authorities here lets them of easily. They now these people have terrorist minds but still.

Anyone convicted of a terrorist offence should never get parole.

 

[Bewal Express]

That's rich coming from brailvees (brillo pads), who's gangwarfare, grooming gangs, druggies, is this what they get taught in their mosques lol

Do Bralvis encourage that? Which Brelavis encourage that? I have attending a Brelvi Mosque for 40 years and I must have missed those lessons. There are many things you can criticise Brelavis for example over the top Pir Mureedi but Please enlighten me on these?

 

[Knight_Rider]

Can't believe that rat is allowed to roam around openly in the civilized society.

Bal Thakeray is also a similar rat. Why is he allowed to roam free??

 

[Varun]

Bal Thakeray is also a similar rat. Why is he allowed to roam free??

Because he was a well connected goon with significant political capital that the powers that be looked to tap.

I don't suppose Anjem Chaudhary is one of those.

 

[Bel_Homme]

Can't believe that rat is allowed to roam around openly in the civilized society.

Britain is just too soft and a country that is going down day by day. In the name of democracy & multiculturalism, they close their eyes on many obvious suspects and fails to act upon them. I am all for democracy and equal civil rights for people but sometimes you need to act a bit tyrant to deal with certain segments of the society.

Anjem Chowdhury would be in Gitmo or ADX Federal prison serving solitary life sentence if he was in United States. But in Britain, you can aparently get away with anything. I live in London and local white people are totally miffer with the current situation in (not so) Great Britain. I wont be surprised if we see civil war soon if the situation dont improve. Just wait and watch.

 

[Bewal Express]

Britain is just too soft and a country that is going down day by day. In the name of democracy & multiculturalism, they close their eyes on many obvious suspects and fails to act upon them. I am all for democracy and equal civil rights for people but sometimes you need to act a bit tyrant to deal with certain segments of the society.

Anjem Chowdhury would be in Gitmo or ADX Federal prison serving solitary life sentence if he was in United States. But in Britain, you can aparently get away with anything. I live in London and local white people are totally miffer with the current situation in (not so) Great Britain. I wont be surprised if we see civil war soon if the situation dont improve. Just wait and watch.

Civil war? Who is going to be fighting who?

 

[KingKhanWC]

Britain is just too soft and a country that is going down day by day. In the name of democracy & multiculturalism, they close their eyes on many obvious suspects and fails to act upon them. I am all for democracy and equal civil rights for people but sometimes you need to act a bit tyrant to deal with certain segments of the society.

Anjem Chowdhury would be in Gitmo or ADX Federal prison serving solitary life sentence if he was in United States. But in Britain, you can aparently get away with anything. I live in London and local white people are totally miffer with the current situation in (not so) Great Britain. I wont be surprised if we see civil war soon if the situation dont improve. Just wait and watch.

Whatever you're smoking is of a high grade.

 

[Manunited18]

Do Bralvis encourage that? Which Brelavis encourage that? I have attending a Brelvi Mosque for 40 years and I must have missed those lessons. There are many things you can criticise Brelavis for example over the top Pir Mureedi but Please enlighten me on these?

I don't have to, there's Plenty of khadeem rizvi type here in our locality, our locality it's brailvees , mirpuris , whose back grounds are savage, uneducated, major cases in grooming gangs, shocking really

 

[TSA321]

The common denominator is likely these guys don't make any headway in academics past school, if you even consider a Madrasa as a school in the first place.

There's nothing better than an education, kids at home. CC: [MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION]

No, many have been well educated university students and graduates.

 

[Relic]

I don't have to, there's Plenty of khadeem rizvi type here in our locality, our locality it's brailvees , mirpuris , whose back grounds are savage, uneducated, major cases in grooming gangs, shocking really

are you a deobandi by any chance?

 

[shaykh]

What a joke...

So a guy who was convicted of plotting to plant a pipe bomb in the lavatories of the London Stock Exchange and had a handwritten target list in his home was imprisoned via the terms of an IPP...this is an imprisonment for public protection and allows him to be held indefinitely, until a parole board deems it ok for him to be released...

These IPP's were then revoked following appeals...and were replaced by extended sentences...so this guy got his sentence down to 16 years...with a minimum of 8 years...

Following each case:

"There is an argument for concluding that anyone convicted of such an offence should be incentivised to demonstrate that he can safely be released; such a decision is then better left to the Parole Board for consideration proximate in time to the date when release becomes possible,”

So did the parole board find a reformed, remorseful man...nah they weren't even consulted...this convicted terrorist was simply released on license following the minimum 8 years...well at least he was given a tag...

So a misapplication of the law meant this cretin got released early without having demonstrated he was ready...the question imho is whether such people should be released at all...16 years seriously?...this was deemed sufficient??...

And Usman Khan is far from the only convicted terrorist who has been released...one of his buddies was released and has since been convicted of planning a terror attack...that time our security services saved us...but that's yet another cock up letting him out into civilised society...

More than 40% of those convicted of terror sentences were released last year having completed their sentences...that number was over 80 based on those whose full sentence was completed...but that number was likely higher since guys like Usman Khan were being released half way through their sentences...among them btw is Anjem Choudhary who was released in October last year...

Seriously what kind of soft touch country are we?...other countries treat terrorists as the **** that they are...lock them up and throw away the key...

Our country just puts them on tag after serving a few years and lets them go...

The responsibility for the deaths yesterday lies on the shoulders of Usman Khan...but responsibility also lies on those who let him out...

 

[Knight_Rider]

Britain is just too soft and a country that is going down day by day. In the name of democracy & multiculturalism, they close their eyes on many obvious suspects and fails to act upon them. I am all for democracy and equal civil rights for people but sometimes you need to act a bit tyrant to deal with certain segments of the society.

Anjem Chowdhury would be in Gitmo or ADX Federal prison serving solitary life sentence if he was in United States. But in Britain, you can aparently get away with anything. I live in London and local white people are totally miffer with the current situation in (not so) Great Britain. I wont be surprised if we see civil war soon if the situation dont improve. Just wait and watch.

So what do you propose? Some gas chamber kind of treatment or Gitmo?

In civilized societies people have certain rights. British society has come a long way from the days of Magna Carta to where we are now. The current situation is trying to push certain people to go backwards in evolution but i hope the majority doesn’t fall for it.

 

[shaykh]

So what do you propose? Some gas chamber kind of treatment or Gitmo?

In civilized societies people have certain rights. British society has come a long way from the days of Magna Carta to where we are now. The current situation is trying to push certain people to go backwards in evolution but i hope the majority doesn’t fall for it.

Too many rights...at the expense of us...if you're convicted of a trying to launch an attack you shouldn't be released...end of...

 

[shaykh]

If you're a successful terrorist and kill people you will be charged based on those murders...

Yet getting caught apparently isn't nearly as significant...if your intention is to kill people but you fail at it...your sentence should be the same as the successful terrorist...

 

[The Viper]

London Bridge attack victim named as Jack Merritt

Spoiler

One of the people stabbed to death in Friday's attack at London Bridge has been named as 25-year-old University of Cambridge graduate, Jack Merritt.

He was one of two people killed when 28-year-old Usman Khan launched the attack at a Cambridge University conference on prisoner rehabilitation.

Khan, who had been jailed over a terror plot, was shot dead by police after members of the public restrained him.

Mr Merritt was described by his father on Twitter as a "beautiful spirit".

A woman who died in the attack - declared by officers as a terrorist incident - has not yet been named. Three others were injured.

Mr Merritt, from Cambridge, was a course coordinator for Learning Together, a prisoners' rehabilitation programme which was hosting the conference at Fishmongers' Hall, at the north end of London Bridge.

Khan had been one of dozens of people - including students and offenders - at the event.

Mr Merritt's father, David, said on Twitter that he was a "a beautiful spirit who always took the side of the underdog".

"Jack spoke so highly of all the people he worked with & he loved his job," he added.
Mr Merritt studied for a bachelor's degree in law at the University of Manchester, graduating in 2016.

He went on to study at the University of Cambridge, where he worked in the criminology department running Learning Together.

Audrey Ludwig, who knew Mr Merritt through work, said his "deep commitment to prisoner education and rehabilitation was deeply impressive".

"I send condolences to his family, colleagues and the prisoners' group," she added.
Another friend said Mr Merritt was "incredibly witty and intelligent, with more lust for life than many our age and a determination to make his mark in the world".

Rapper Dave also paid tribute to Mr Merritt, saying he had "dedicated his life to helping others".

The Streatham-born rapper said it was "genuinely an honour to have met someone like you" and he would "never ever forget" everything the law graduate had "done for us".

Dave's Mercury Prize-winning album was inspired by rehabilitation therapy his brother Christopher Omoregie has received as he serves a life sentence for murder.

The Metropolitan Police said the attack is believed to have started inside Fishmongers' Hall at 13:58 GMT on Friday, before continuing onto London Bridge itself, where Khan was shot by armed officers.

Khan was known to the authorities, having been convicted of a terrorism offence in 2012.

He was released from prison in December 2018 subject to an "extensive list of licence conditions", Met Police Assistant Commissioner Neil Basu said.

Mr Basu said, on Saturday, that "to the best of my knowledge, he was complying with those conditions".

One of the conditions was that Khan was obliged to take part in the government's desistance and disengagement programme - the purpose of which is the rehabilitation of people who have been involved in terrorism.

Mr Basu said officers had been working "flat out" to try to establish the "full circumstances" of the stabbing.

He praised the "incredible acts of bravery" by members of the emergency services and the public who intervened - even after they realised Khan was wearing a "very convincing" fake explosive vest.

Mr Basu added officers had found no evidence to suggest anyone else was involved in the attack.

NHS chief executive Simon Stevens said three victims remained in hospital following the attack - two in a stable condition and one with less serious injuries.

Police carried out searches at two addresses in Stafford and Stoke-on-Trent as part of the investigation.

Staffordshire Police's Deputy Ch Con, Nick Baker, said it was "vitally important everyone remains alert but not alarmed".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-50615926

 

[Relic]

Indian media are trying to turn this tragic incident into a political victory for them

 

[Knight_Rider]

What else can be expected from the cheap shots? Some of them couldn’t control their excitement and turned up here.

Best to just ignore their ghatiya mentality.

 

[Salma_T]

I think the fake suicide vest is what probably swung it.

Would love to know if the police/govt clarified how they came to conclusion

 

[Knight_Rider]

If you're a successful terrorist and kill people you will be charged based on those murders...

Yet getting caught apparently isn't nearly as significant...if your intention is to kill people but you fail at it...your sentence should be the same as the successful terrorist...

Have you ever thought that despite these lax rules and mild penalties, why is there much less crime here (in UK) compared to countries with harsher penalties?

You need to eradicate the reason and urge for the crime and same rule applies to this particular incident.

 

[shaykh]

Have you ever thought that despite these lax rules and mild penalties, why is there much less crime here (in UK) compared to countries with harsher penalties?

You need to eradicate the reason and urge for the crime and same rule applies to this particular incident.

Yep Usman Khan really appreciated his lenient punishment...your argument really worked there...

And how about his friend who has been rearrested for terror offences...

Strong argument

 

[shaykh]

Would love to know if the police/govt clarified how they came to conclusion

Feel free to attend his janaza ...

 

[Knight_Rider]

Yep Usman Khan really appreciated his lenient punishment...your argument really worked there...

And how about his friend who has been rearrested for terror offences...

Strong argument

You are missing the point.

 

[shaykh]

You are missing the point.

Not at all...lets look at your point in detail...a report earlier this year mentioned that 19 terror attacks have been thwarted...our security services and intelligence gathering is very good here...that's why Usman Khan got convicted and sentenced in the first place...

Point is he intended to kill multiple people...the fact that he failed shouldn't be a reason to give him 8 years...murderers in this country do longer in this 'lenient' country...

Simple question...if he was behind bars...then would he have been able to kill yesterday?...

You're gonna have to do a good job of explaining how lenient penalties reduces terrorism...

 

[Bewal Express]

I don't have to, there's Plenty of khadeem rizvi type here in our locality, our locality it's brailvees , mirpuris , whose back grounds are savage, uneducated, major cases in grooming gangs, shocking really

So you are blaming bad behaviour of individuals on Brelavi ideologically. Thanks for your wisdom.

 

[chacha kashmiri]

Who said the guy was a muslim?
Why are you speculating?

Was he a murtad?

 

[Knight_Rider]

Read again. I didn’t say lenient penalties reduce crimes (infact i agree that in UK they are a bit too lenient. Many youngsters are not afraid of the law at all).

Having said that, if you address the root cause of the crimes, its much more effective to reduce criminality than just the fear of punishment. If you fulfil people’s basic needs of safety, respect, equality, justice, shelter, belongingness and some hope for a brighter future they wont really have need to do these kind of criminal acts. Ofcourse there are always exceptions and mentally insane ppl in every society but i am talking about normal people.

 

[Salma_T]

Feel free to attend his janaza ...

It not about attending a janazaa or defending someone it is a murder x 2 he has committed but the optics of a murder by someone on parol v a terror attack are very different!

It takes over the news cycle etc just before the election

 

[Relic]

Was he a murtad?

Anyone who commits terrorism is a murtad

 

[chacha kashmiri]

Anyone who commits terrorism is a murtad

That’s ironic

 

[shaykh]

It not about attending a janazaa or defending someone it is a murder x 2 he has committed but the optics of a murder by someone on parol v a terror attack are very different!

It takes over the news cycle etc just before the election

Tbf all I've seen from you on this thread...is moaning about the manner in which he was shot...the labeling of it being a terror attack...

You know the victims yesterday were those two people...yet you're dealing with semantics...

A terrorist was shot dead...as he should have been...obsessing over semantics is quite tasteless actually...

 

[Knight_Rider]

Mislabelling something by media is a big problem. So Salma is absolutely right in questioning that.

If you find it tasteless, thats your own problem. Enlighten us with the reasons why you think it should be called a terrorist attack? What exactly is the definition?

 

[Relic]

That’s ironic

Why's it ironic?

 

[Salma_T]

Tbf all I've seen from you on this thread...is moaning about the manner in which he was shot...the labeling of it being a terror attack...

You know the victims yesterday were those two people...yet you're dealing with semantics...

A terrorist was shot dead...as he should have been...obsessing over semantics is quite tasteless actually...

It is very important.....as we need to understand why and how this happened and what led it to being called a terror attack if you cannot see that then fine.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Feel free to attend his janaza ...

Israeli fan boys have arrived. lol


On topic.

The chap doesn't know what day of the week it is. Imo he was released and co-erced into attacking someone so they could try to ruin Labours chances.

Dancing Israelis again after this news.

 

[shaykh]

Mislabelling something by media is a big problem. So Salma is absolutely right in questioning that.

If you find it tasteless, thats your own problem. Enlighten us with the reasons why you think it should be called a terrorist attack? What exactly is the definition?

Is this seriously a discussion...

“He did so because he identified what appeared to be a bomb and, instead of taking cover for his own safety, killed the attacker to save the lives of others."

The vest was discovered to be fake after the shooting...so suggestion that the shooting was somewhat discriminatory to people of her creed is laughable...

The presence of the vest is why the media reported it as a possible terror attack...and post identification where the man was confirmed as a convicted terrorist support that too...

His choice of venue was interesting too...they do love London Bridge...

Plenty of Muslims have committed crimes in this country and not had it labeled as terror...so honestly the victim complex is nauseating...the obsession with semantics...the whataboutism...you're not the victims...the two who died are...

 

[shaykh]

Israeli fan boys have arrived. lol


On topic.

The chap doesn't know what day of the week it is. Imo he was released and co-erced into attacking someone so they could try to ruin Labours chances.

Dancing Israelis again after this news.

Labour frankly have no chance anyway...but good to see you haven't changed peddling conspiracy theories...everything is a false flag to you...

Yes he wore a fake suicide vest and got shot to ruin Labours chances...hmm it must have been revenge for having been convicted of terrorism under a Labour government...I bet that's all a sham too right...

 

[KingKhanWC]

Labour frankly have no chance anyway...but good to see you haven't changed peddling conspiracy theories...everything is a false flag to you...

Yes he wore a fake suicide vest and got shot to ruin Labours chances...hmm it must have been revenge for having been convicted of terrorism under a Labour government...I bet that's all a sham too right...

Labour have a good chance of leading a minority government.

Its my opinion hence 'imo'.

Is this terrorism simply not serious enough for an Israeli fan-boy? You should be the last person to be shocked.

 

[shaykh]

Labour have a good chance of leading a minority government.

Its my opinion hence 'imo'.

Is this terrorism simply not serious enough for an Israeli ******? You should be the last person to be shocked.

As per usual your opinions are baseless...

The convicted terrorist was somehow coerced by the Tory party to wear a suicide vest and get shot...smart argument...feel free to give a logical explanation for this...and how also this attack actually disadvantages the Tories...

Are you going to make a similar argument for the murderer of Jo Cox or was he also coerced into murdering her?...

I live in this city...it frustrates me that we have released over 100 terrorists over the last couple years...our police and intelligence services have it hard enough...and deserve better from our judicial system which gives convicted terrorists a slap on the wrist...

 

[PakLFC]

Its not who benefits, its just information, you read way more into it than there is.

No one benefits.

What do you mean it is just information? I am afraid those who want to blame everything on Muslims do benefit. Over the weeks there have been so many gunmen attacking various places in America killing innocents. The terrorist was rightfully killed whoever and whatever he was.

 

[sweep_shot]

An urgent review of the licence conditions of terrorists freed from prison has been launched by the Ministry of Justice following Friday's London Bridge attack.

Two people were killed and three were injured by Usman Khan, 28, a convicted terrorist who served half of his time.

PM Boris Johnson claimed scrapping early release would have stopped him.

But Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn will blame budget cuts for "missed chances to intervene" in a speech on Sunday.

As many as 70 convicted terrorists released from prison could be the focus of the government review.

Spoiler

Khan, 28, who was shot by police on Friday after carrying out the attack, was jailed over a plot to bomb the London Stock Exchange in 2012.

He was sentenced to indeterminate detention for "public protection" with a minimum jail term of eight years.

This sentence would have allowed him to be kept in prison beyond the minimum term.

But in 2013, the Court of Appeal quashed the sentence, replacing it with a 16-year-fixed term of which Khan should serve half in prison. He was released on licence in December 2018 - subject to an "extensive list of licence conditions", Met Police Assistant Commissioner Neil Basu said.

"To the best of my knowledge, he was complying with those conditions," he added.

As part of his release conditions, Khan was obliged to take part in the government's desistance and disengagement programme, which aims to rehabilitate people who have been involved in terrorism.

Khan was living in Stafford and wearing a GPS police tag when he launched his attack inside Fishmongers' Hall, where he was attending a conference hosted by Learning Together, a prisoners' rehabilitation programme.

The attack then continued onto London Bridge itself.

Khan had taken part in the Learning Together scheme while in prison and was one of dozens of people - including students and offenders - at the event.

He appeared as a "case study" in a report by the initiative. Identified only as "Usman", Khan was said to have given a speech at a fundraising dinner after being released from prison.

He was also given a "secure" laptop that complied with his licence conditions, to allow him to continue the writing and studying he began while in jail.

Khan contributed a poem to a separate brochure, in which he expressed gratitude for the laptop, adding: "I cannot send enough thanks to the entire Learning Together team and all those who continue to support this wonderful community."

Jack Merritt, a course coordinator for Learning Together from Cambridge, was one of two people fatally stabbed on Friday.

A woman who also died has not yet been named.

NHS chief executive Simon Stevens said three victims remained in hospital following the attack - two in a stable condition and one with less serious injuries.

Mr Basu said officers had been working "flat out" to try to establish the "full circumstances" of the stabbing.

On a visit to the attack site, the prime minister said the practice of cutting jail sentences in half and letting violent offenders out early "simply isn't working".

Mr Johnson vowed to "toughen up sentences" if the Conservatives win the general election on 12 December.

"If you are convicted of a serious terrorist offence, there should be a mandatory minimum sentence of 14 years - and some should never be released," he said.

"Further, for all terrorism and extremist offences, the sentence announced by the judge must be the time actually served - these criminals must serve every day of their sentence, with no exceptions."

In a speech in York on Sunday, Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn is expected to say that budget cuts over the past ten years have left "gaps" that can result in "missed chances to intervene in the lives of people who go on to commit inexcusable acts".

He will also say that, under a Labour government, police will be able to use "whatever force is necessary" to protect and save lives.

"If police believe an attacker is wearing a suicide vest and innocent lives are at risk, then it is right they are able to use lethal force," he will say.

Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-50618744.

 

[Knight_Rider]

Is this seriously a discussion...

“He did so because he identified what appeared to be a bomb and, instead of taking cover for his own safety, killed the attacker to save the lives of others."

The vest was discovered to be fake after the shooting...so suggestion that the shooting was somewhat discriminatory to people of her creed is laughable...

The presence of the vest is why the media reported it as a possible terror attack...and post identification where the man was confirmed as a convicted terrorist support that too...

His choice of venue was interesting too...they do love London Bridge...

Plenty of Muslims have committed crimes in this country and not had it labeled as terror...so honestly the victim complex is nauseating...the obsession with semantics...the whataboutism...you're not the victims...the two who died are...

Your explanation doesnt make sense.

 

[Relic]

Labour frankly have no chance anyway...but good to see you haven't changed peddling conspiracy theories...everything is a false flag to you...

Yes he wore a fake suicide vest and got shot to ruin Labours chances...hmm it must have been revenge for having been convicted of terrorism under a Labour government...I bet that's all a sham too right...

Have a photo of his fake suicide vest??
From the pictures I have seen, I haven't seen it.
Please do share them.

Obviously he was a convicted terrorist there's no denying that but I don't see why you're putting this on the Labour party

 

[shaykh]

Have a photo of his fake suicide vest??
From the pictures I have seen, I haven't seen it.
Please do share them.

Obviously he was a convicted terrorist there's no denying that but I don't see why you're putting this on the Labour party

So there are pictures purporting to be of the vest...you can see something is clearly wrapped on him...but hey what is evidently a more credible explanation is the police are all lying about the suicide vest including the shooter...the members of the public who were present are all also part of the conspiracy including those who got stabbed...the shooting was done in front of plenty of people...but yep much better to believe it's all a hoax...

You know what...actually the incident itself didn't happen...all the pictures are doctored...I was in London Bridge at the time and none of this happened...does that explanation suit...

As for the labour party it's cos an idiot on here suggested this incident was a Tory conspiracy...read the post i'm responding to...

Again the conspiracy club are just dumb...Teresa May got slammed over cutting police numbers when she responded after the Manchester attacks...this is exactly what Boris is going to be slammed for by Corbyn...but of course Boris did this all so he could duck Andrew Neil...

Jo Cox of course was murdered by terrorists if you're a Labour fan...or by globalists trying to turn the campaign against Brexit if you're an idiot on the other side...

What didn't surprise me at all when i visited this thread was...

1 - people claiming it was a false flag
2 - people saying the incident was Islamaphobic...

At least be original...

 

[Varun]

On topic.

The chap doesn't know what day of the week it is. Imo he was released and co-erced into attacking someone so they could try to ruin Labours chances.

Dancing Israelis again after this news.

You writhe and moan about Israel day and night. No Israeli ever thinks about you. Nor do the folks who live in the camel jockey capitals either. As for political parties in the UK, you're at best just a useful idiot who they can coerce to push one button or the other.

Talk about coping technique.

 

[shaykh]

Your explanation doesnt make sense.

I will use simple words for you...

1 - he was wearing a suicide vest which is why he got shot...roadmen with knifes don't do that...
2 - he is actually a convicted terrorist...

But hey feel free to make this an anti-Muslim issue if you want...the victim complex is nauseating...

I'm sure if the shoe was on the other foot and a guy arrested as a Neo Nazi and convicted was shot dead with a bomb attached to him outside a mosque you would be saying 'why are they calling him a Neo Nazi'...or like Salma's argument...just cos he was a Neo Nazi before doesn't mean he's being a terrorist now...

And as said...many Muslims commit crimes and their crimes are not labeled terrorism...this idea that crimes committed by Muslims are terrorism while for others the same rules don't apply is again just victim complex...

 

[shaykh]

You writhe and moan about Israel day and night. No Israeli ever thinks about you. Nor do the folks who live in the camel jockey capitals either. As for political parties in the UK, you're at best just a useful idiot who they can coerce to push one button or the other.

Talk about coping technique.

I'm actually surprised tbf...I expected him to come out with the Mossad are behind it all...to ensure that the pro-Israel Boris gets into office...or maybe Soros did it...

He's slacking on his conspiracy theories...

 

[Manunited18]

As per usual your opinions are baseless...

The convicted terrorist was somehow coerced by the Tory party to wear a suicide vest and get shot...smart argument...feel free to give a logical explanation for this...and how also this attack actually disadvantages the Tories...

Are you going to make a similar argument for the murderer of Jo Cox or was he also coerced into murdering her?...

I live in this city...it frustrates me that we have released over 100 terrorists over the last couple years...our police and intelligence services have it hard enough...and deserve better from our judicial system which gives convicted terrorists a slap on the wrist...

Yes but people are going to question the timing of these attacks prior to the last 3 general elections,

2016 general election- joe Cox murdered by a right wing terrorist

2017general election - terror attack on london bridge

2019- general election- another terror attack on london bridge

Believe what you like, but to me something fishy about all this, but obviously the people that died in these incidents is obviously sad

 

[DeadBall]

I live in this city...it frustrates me that we have released over 100 terrorists over the last couple years...our police and intelligence services have it hard enough...and deserve better from our judicial system which gives convicted terrorists a slap on the wrist...

Nu mai locuiești în Moldova?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Too many rights...at the expense of us...if you're convicted of a trying to launch an attack you shouldn't be released...end of...

Unless you want to win an election. Boris is certainly making good use of it, and so are his media pals in the right wing press.

 

[shaykh]

Yes but people are going to question the timing of these attacks prior to the last 3 general elections,

2016 general election- joe Cox murdered by a right wing terrorist

2017general election - terror attack on london bridge

2019- general election- another terror attack on london bridge

Believe what you like, but to me something fishy about all this, but obviously the people that died in these incidents is obviously sad

So Jo Cox was supposed to benefit the remainers...in fact the Brexit nuts called it a conspiracy just as you guys are...so did the Remainers get Jo Cox killed iyo?...

Teresa May got slammed for cutting police numbers when she tried to control the narrative following the last attack...

You know what isn't unique...terrorists attacking during election time...Madrid Bombings were 72 hours before their general election...French attacks...Bin Laden videos before US election...I can go on...

Maybe they want to show their clout before major events...or create disruption in general...and disrupt the election process...I find it odd that rather than seeing it as a tactic used by terrorists it makes more sense to some that it's a conspiracy...

The French attacks didn't benefit Le Pen...the attacks in London Bridge didn't benefit May...the murder of Cox didn't benefit remainers...

 

[shaykh]

Acum nu ...locuiesc in londra...

 

[Salma_T]

So the vest is what deemed it a terror attack.....I thought perhaps the shouting of Allah Akbar as stabbing the victims or a confessional video. I know ISIS have claimed it but they will claim anything.! All I an saying label the attack correctly.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

If you're a successful terrorist and kill people you will be charged based on those murders...

Yet getting caught apparently isn't nearly as significant...if your intention is to kill people but you fail at it...your sentence should be the same as the successful terrorist...

In what world is killing two innocent people in a stabbing frenzy a successful terror attack? I can see how it would be a success from an Islamophobe viewpoint, not sure how it serves any purpose for the Caliphate.

 

[Hitman]

Bal Thakeray is also a similar rat. Why is he allowed to roam free??

He doesn't roam around anywhere. He is dead.

 

[Salma_T]

Also why he was out on parole...these questions need to be answered as 2 innocent people have been killed

 

[shaykh]

Unless you want to win an election. Boris is certainly making good use of it, and so are his media pals in the right wing press.

A few things here...Corbyn is not Blair...he will not get the numbers...he's never been close in the polls...he's incompetent enough to lose to Boris...his Andrew Neil interview was a car crash...he's a nice guy with some nice ideas...but he also has stupid ones...eg like when being asked about Waspi saying it's a moral duty without explaining where the money comes from...so many examples of incompetence...

Well Corbyn tonight is going to talk police numbers and blame the Conservatives for that...

Boris clearly wouldn't of had it this way...how does a guy whose party got rid of IPP's come off well...well he doesn't...it was the Conservatives who didn't change the law in 10 years...

In short anyone who is going to believe Boris's drivel was voting for him already...

It didn't benefit May and it's not going to benefit Boris...the people who read the publications that are pro-Boris are the converted anyway...swing voters aren't going to be swayed...

 

[Manunited18]

So Jo Cox was supposed to benefit the remainers...in fact the Brexit nuts called it a conspiracy just as you guys are...so did the Remainers get Jo Cox killed iyo?...

Teresa May got slammed for cutting police numbers when she tried to control the narrative following the last attack...

You know what isn't unique...terrorists attacking during election time...Madrid Bombings were 72 hours before their general election...French attacks...Bin Laden videos before US election...I can go on...

Maybe they want to show their clout before major events...or create disruption in general...and disrupt the election process...I find it odd that rather than seeing it as a tactic used by terrorists it makes more sense to some that it's a conspiracy...

The French attacks didn't benefit Le Pen...the attacks in London Bridge didn't benefit May...the murder of Cox didn't benefit remainers...

My point is these attacks running up to elections are defecting the real issues the natives of the UK face day to day, cuts to public services which for me is a far bigger issue, nhs, other public services- roads, lack of affordable homes, care, clearly rather than concentrating on these issues at a vital time the lead up to the general election will be security, as for these terrorists attacks our future policy should be stop bombarding other countries we have no issues with

 

[shaykh]

My point is these attacks running up to elections are defecting the real issues the natives of the UK face day to day, cuts to public services which for me is a far bigger issue, nhs, other public services- roads, lack of affordable homes, care, clearly rather than concentrating on these issues at a vital time the lead up to the general election will be security, as for these terrorists attacks our future policy should be stop bombarding other countries we have no issues with

Yes which is probably why terrorists attack during this time...governments generally increase security measures during this period across the board...of course it would be preferable if the election discussion wasn't about security but alas it is...point is though it doesn't seem to offer a benefit to either candidate...Boris Johnson who apparently it benefits has been battered on the Andrew Marr show...

Not usually a fan of 'humanitarian intervention' but the removal of IS at the very least has been a success...do you feel it would have been better for NATO and Russia to stay away and let IS expand...

 

[shaykh]

In what world is killing two innocent people in a stabbing frenzy a successful terror attack? I can see how it would be a success from an Islamophobe viewpoint, not sure how it serves any purpose for the Caliphate.

Killing people VS not killing people...

There are of course degrees of success...this has created a ripple pre-election and two have died so it's a relative success...especially in relation to his previous effort where he was caught before the attack could be launched...

 

[barah_admi]

That is def true, but they have a foothold in their back street mosques( and in some cases not so backstreet). But they have immense damage to the Muslims here in the UK and elsewhere.

Which mosques? People like Chowdhury, Butt and I'm sure this Khan fellas have all been banned or reported by local mosques in the UK.

I'd like to see your evidence.

 

[Markhor]

The terror sentencing laws are complex but from what I gather, this man was released under a sentencing regime that no longer exists.



After Dec 2012 for sinilar offences, prisoners are to be released at the two-thirds mark and only if deemed safe by the Parole Board.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Killing people VS not killing people...

There are of course degrees of success...this has created a ripple pre-election and two have died so it's a relative success...especially in relation to his previous effort where he was caught before the attack could be launched...

Killing two innocent people isn't relative success unless you look at it from an Islamophobe POV, which is of course your own stance. No sane Muslim will look at this as success because it achieved nothing from their point of view. All it did was give the tabloids the ingredients for their xenophobia. Perhaps this counts as success for you.

 

[shaykh]

Killing two innocent people isn't relative success unless you look at it from an Islamophobe POV, which is of course your own stance. No sane Muslim will look at this as success because it achieved nothing from their point of view. All it did was give the tabloids the ingredients for their xenophobia. Perhaps this counts as success for you.

Not really...the tabloids are running with who to blame it on...ie it's about Labour V Conservative...the discussion is about why was a convicted terrorist let free...and Johnson has spent half his interview with Marr blaming Labour for it...

The fact that the terrorist is Muslim isn't even the discussion...so has it created a ripple during the election...yes it has...

 

[Manunited18]

Yes which is probably why terrorists attack during this time...governments generally increase security measures during this period across the board...of course it would be preferable if the election discussion wasn't about security but alas it is...point is though it doesn't seem to offer a benefit to either candidate...Boris Johnson who apparently it benefits has been battered on the Andrew Marr show...

Not usually a fan of 'humanitarian intervention' but the removal of IS at the very least has been a success...do you feel it would have been better for NATO and Russia to stay away and let IS expand...

For me al-Qaeda and IS been formed since NATO and allies have left their countries in to complete rubble, goerge w Bush and Tony Blair have made sure these issues will continue

 

[Bewal Express]

The terror sentencing laws are complex but from what I gather, this man was released under a sentencing regime that no longer exists.

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After Dec 2012 for sinilar offences, prisoners are to be released at the two-thirds mark and only if deemed safe by the Parole Board.

The whole parole thing is a mess, far too many crimes are committed by people on parole. This guy and his ilk should have been released and 2 innocent people have lost their lives.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Not really...the tabloids are running with who to blame it on...ie it's about Labour V Conservative...the discussion is about why was a convicted terrorist let free...and Johnson has spent half his interview with Marr blaming Labour for it...

The fact that the terrorist is Muslim isn't even the discussion...so has it created a ripple during the election...yes it has...

The reason the terrorist being a Muslim isn't being discussed is because that is a given as Muslim and terrorist have already become associated in everyone's mind. If he was white there might be a discussion.

But you avoided the main point I raised when I said that the main beneficiaries of this attack were Islamophobes like you, and xenophobes in general. A Muslim loser stabbing two innocent people certainly hasn't done any favours to the Muslim world.

 

[Knight_Rider]

I will use simple words for you...

1 - he was wearing a suicide vest which is why he got shot...roadmen with knifes don't do that...
2 - he is actually a convicted terrorist...

But hey feel free to make this an anti-Muslim issue if you want...the victim complex is nauseating...

I'm sure if the shoe was on the other foot and a guy arrested as a Neo Nazi and convicted was shot dead with a bomb attached to him outside a mosque you would be saying 'why are they calling him a Neo Nazi'...or like Salma's argument...just cos he was a Neo Nazi before doesn't mean he's being a terrorist now...

And as said...many Muslims commit crimes and their crimes are not labeled terrorism...this idea that crimes committed by Muslims are terrorism while for others the same rules don't apply is again just victim complex...

Still nonsense.

 

[Knight_Rider]

So the vest is what deemed it a terror attack.....I thought perhaps the shouting of Allah Akbar as stabbing the victims or a confessional video. I know ISIS have claimed it but they will claim anything.! All I an saying label the attack correctly.

He is deliberately avoid the obvious point.

 

[sweep_shot]

ISIS is now finished. This guy was probably just a wannabe who was seeking his 5 minutes of fame.

We have to wait and see if this was a terror attack. Need more investigations. It is not clear currently.

 

[shaykh]

Still nonsense.

Strong refutation mate

 

[shaykh]

The reason the terrorist being a Muslim isn't being discussed is because that is a given as Muslim and terrorist have already become associated in everyone's mind. If he was white there might be a discussion.

But you avoided the main point I raised when I said that the main beneficiaries of this attack were Islamophobes like you, and xenophobes in general. A Muslim loser stabbing two innocent people certainly hasn't done any favours to the Muslim world.

I have no issues with Muslims...I have an issue with Islamist terrorism...if you're conflating the two that's your issue...I haven't done that...and most people in London are smart enough to tell the difference between Muslims who want to be part of this country and those who want to destroy it...

You're busy creating a straw man while my initial post took issue with the fact that over 70 terrorists have been released...

If I have discussed Muslims in particular it's in relation to the nauseating victim complex where the actual victims of every terror attack are Muslims cos of apparent bias in the labeling process...don't let facts get in the way...

The other issue I have addressed is this obsession with false flag...

Terror attacks are part and parcel of living in the capital now...how beneficial it is and to who will depend on how the political parties address it...

So far Boris has tried to blame Labour...this when the conservatives got rid of the IPP's and in 10 years didn't amend the probation set up...he had awful answers on police numbers and appeared every bit the numpty that he is...

And Corbyn the naive, utopian he is decided to answer 'not necessarily' when asked if terrorists should serve their full terms...

So 1-1 I'd say and not cos anyone is handling this well...it's just difficult to tell who is a more mediocre candidate out of the two...

 

[Bewal Express]

Which mosques? People like Chowdhury, Butt and I'm sure this Khan fellas have all been banned or reported by local mosques in the UK.

I'd like to see your evidence.

Finsbury Park wasn't back Street and it was used until these nutters were banned.